No, There is No Such Thing as “Gay Rights”

We really didn’t want to even begin talking about that Florida case where an 18 year old girl had allegedly consensual sex with a 14 year old girl because, seriously, don’t we have better things to talk about than teenagers being teenagers?

But then we read this article which, for the pile of liberal dreck that is Slate, is actually fairly evenhanded. Until you reach the end of it where the author reveals what she really thinks, but that’s par for the course with propaganda broadsheets like that.

The offender, one Kaitlyn Hunt, is now staring at a maximum of 15 years in the pen because she refused to cop to a plea which would have given her 2 years of house arrest, proving that having sex with a minor isn’t the only item on her Stupid Menu. However, in her defense, she was probably encouraged by the howling of outrageously outraged liberal pedophiles signing by the tens of thousands a petition demanding that she go scot free. Here’s a hint, Katie: 45,000 morons saying that the law shouldn’t be the law doesn’t magically make the law not the law.

But what really got our goat was the predictable cries of “homophobia” and “gay rights” from the pedophile left.

Er, no. While it’s perfectly possible, but far from proven in any way (and at any rate it’s not a crime no matter how much you leftist swine would like to make it so), that the parents of the victim are “homophobes”, it’s also completely and utterly irrelevant.

The law doesn’t say that sex with minors is statutory rape “unless you’re gay in which case it’s right bloody wonderful”, and Kaitlyn is not charged with conspiracy to be gay, she’s charged with having had sex with a minor.

So no, it’s not about “homophobia.” It’s also not about “gay rights”, because there is no such thing. Gays do not, and should not, have any “rights” specially designed for them and not attainable for anybody else, anymore than there is or should be such a thing as “straight rights”, “left handed redheads’ rights”, “Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan rights” or “people wot like to eat squirrel stew rights.”

Gays have exactly the same rights as anybody else. No more, no less. They’re also known as “human rights.”

Unless, of course, the people howling about “gay rights” in this case are advocating for the exclusive right of gays to have sex with children. We’d prefer to hold on to our belief that that’s not what those people are agitating for. Please don’t disabuse us of this our perhaps naive belief. You wouldn’t like the consequences if you did. Then again, we can’t imagine this kind of furor if Kaitlyn had been an 18 year old boy, so perhaps… No, we are not going there. At least not at this point.

Kaitlyn broke the law. If you don’t like the law, change the law, but the fact remains that she broke it and now faces the consequences thereof.

Now, if you believe that a possible 15 years in the slammer and an eternity in the sex offender registry is overly harsh for kids being irresponsible and fooling around, then we could talk about that. His Majesty, but keep in mind that he grew up in a culture a bit different than this country’s, would agree with you. We can say for sure that if it had been the law of the land where we came from, we’d have spent a lot of time behind bars because of our teenage hormones and their tendencies to throw reason, caution and common sense to the wind.

If, as is alleged, Kaitlyn and her girlfriend’s liaison was entirely consensual, then we do agree that slamming the prison doors on Kaitlyn for fifteen bloody years is rather harsh. But it’s the law. We also think that it’s blatantly and utterly ridiculous that the Imperial Heirs can’t legally have a drink until three years after they’re eligible to vote and go die in foreign wars, but it’s also the law. A stupid law, but that doesn’t make the following thereof optional.

So if people really want to have a discussion about the age of consent, then maybe we should have that discussion. But not as a separate “gay issue”, because that’s ridiculous. And we would also warn anybody wanting to have that discussion that it’s not going to be a pleasant one. If you remove one “line in the sand”, you have to place it somewhere else. So where should we put it? 16 years? 14? 12? We don’t even pretend to know, but we can assure you that the debate over it is going to be… Spirited.

Doesn’t change the facts in this case, though. You can’t retroactively change the law because you don’t like the outcome in one particular case, and the case here is one 18-year-old having sex with a 14-year-old which, when it happened, was against the law and still is.

Discuss, if you want.

Thatisall.

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Physics Geek
Physics Geek

the Imperial Heirs can’t legally have a drink until three years after they’re eligible to vote and go die in foreign wars, but it’s also the law. A stupid law, but that doesn’t make the following thereof optional. I disagree. This is where civil disobedience comes in. Failure to rebel against bullshit laws just because it’s the law means that… Read more »

Bones
Bones

The LAW that is under discussion with this “girl” has been around a long time in most states. I know that a long time ago in the state that I grew up in, after dating a girl for almost 2 years, I reached my “magic day”! Yaaaaa! know what I got from her parents? Momma met me at the door… Read more »

LC Gregory
LC Gregory

Controlling their offspring? As I read it, the “relationship” began in the gym showers – they were on the same school basketball team. Yeah, that makes for a certain “gay issue,” in that no 18-y.o. boy is gonna be showering with a 14-y.o. girl. This was clearly a case of the school failing on their responsibility in loco parentis. No… Read more »

LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole
LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole

at 18 you can: Be drafted, volunteer for the military, tired as an adult, sentenced to death, vote, considered emancipated, enter into a contract, generally do anything you want without parental consent.

at age 18 you can’t: drink alcohol

Another legacy of the Carter administration

LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole
LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole

As for “dating” a girl under 18 in South Dakota let me paint you a picture. Northeast South Dakota is the Pheasant hunting capital of the world. Which means there are a whole shit load of shotguns laying around in closets and in gun racks. Those shotguns, for the most part, are owned by mommies and daddies, tu capisci?

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.

On July 1st, 1973, the law in Florida became drinking at 18. On July 2nd, 1973, I turned 18. This was providence. As for sex, I had already been at that for years but mostly with girls my same age group or older. At 16, I had gotten a motorcycle and started letting my hair grow. When you get recognized… Read more »

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

Emperor Misha I says: I didn’t hear a lot of condemnation from the left in the Roman Polanski case which was, undeniably, a case of rape of a child. All I heard was discussions as to whether it was “rape”-rape or not, presumably when it involved an icon beloved of the left. you didn’t hear that kind of parsing when… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

It is right and good that pedophiles are arrested; children can’t make wise, informed consent decisions. It is right and good that, for example, a day care should be able to refuse someone arrested for pedophilia. Don’t you agree? There is a long history of paedophile groups being involved with the LGBT lobby. Some examples: * The man regarded as… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC Gregory says: Controlling their offspring? As I read it, the “relationship” began in the gym showers – they were on the same school basketball team. Yeah, that makes for a certain “gay issue,” in that no 18-y.o. boy is gonna be showering with a 14-y.o. girl. I doubt you can compare a lesbian to an 18 year old boy.… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’ Research purports to reveal ‘dark side’ of homosexual culture author- Jon Dougherty Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study. “Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC Gladiator says:

Council for National Policy

Well, gosh. Here’s an unbiased organization!

There’s much more to this homosexuality/pedophilia thing than this particular study claims. It’s more complex than that.

But whatever…

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: I doubt you can compare a lesbian to an 18 year old boy. That’s a bit disingenuous. Please enlighten me. At that point, the parents went to the courts, which I think is a bit much. The adult girl refuses to stay away and the school is unresponsive. Other than chaining their daughter… Read more »

lc purple raider
lc purple raider

Way OT but:

My wife is scheduled for surgery at 5:15AM tomorrow. Any prayers would be appreciated.

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

lc purple raider @ #:

Prayers up, raider

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: Well, gosh. Here’s an unbiased organization! Nikki, why would you go to Wiki to get your “facts”? Wiki is notoriously Liberal. Why not try the organizations own site perhaps??? I expected more from you…………………. CNP homepage Limited Government WE BELIEVE in limiting the size and scope of government to allow Americans greater freedom… Read more »

LC Ohio Right Wing Nut
LC Ohio Right Wing Nut

lc purple raider @ #:
On their way buddy!

sablegsd
sablegsd

I believe there was some “kidnapping” and hiding the minor from her parents going on also. katy, the frog eyed narcissist on uppers, and her parents should be in jail.

Physics Geek
Physics Geek

Emperor Misha I @ #:

What I should have said was that breaking the law, no matter how stupid it is, does not shield you from the repercussions if you’re caught

Ah, and now you and I are in complete agreement. If/when I get busted, I’ll plead no contest. Right before I try and get that law repealed, of course.

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

This is more “nuanced” than a 18 yr old having sex with a 14 yr old. Anyone care to comment on the developmental difference between a 18 yr old and a 14 yr old? So I dont agree that sex in the bathroom between a 18 yr old upperclassman and a 14 yr old under this scenario falls under the… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

Prayers out LC Purple

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

ya know, I hang out with a lot of gay folks. close friends with a bunch. lived with some, too. Granted, ‘the plural of anecdote is not data’… But in all my experience with gays, bouncing clubs for em, talking to them, giving them a couch to crash on… I’ve never met a gay man, lesbian, transgendered, or bisexual who… Read more »

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

while I’m thinking of it, there’s something else to consider as well. That ‘plea bargain’? having the ‘sex offender’ label tied around your neck is a de facto life ender. You can’t get a job. Nobody will hire you. You constantly run the risk of someone deciding the courts didn’t go ‘far enough’ and murdering you for the ‘common good’.… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC Gladiator says: LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: Well, gosh. Here’s an unbiased organization! Nikki, why would you go to Wiki to get your “facts”? Wiki is notoriously Liberal. Why not try the organizations own site perhaps??? I expected more from you…………………. CNP homepage Limited Government WE BELIEVE in limiting the size and scope of government to allow… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

No, There is No Such Thing as “Gay Rights”

Of course not. They’re “Gay Righth.”

*heads off for Room 101 muttering “I know, I know. I’m going, I’m going.”*

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

Heh, the funny thing about it all is that in many Southern states, the Age of Consent used to be 14 (had to rebuild the population after all of that voluntarily-rejoining-the-Union-voluntarily-by-totally-voluntary-means business), but got bumped up because a bunch of Northern statist do-gooders thought it was perfectly barbaric to have the age limit set that low. Now, a lot of… Read more »

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

Emperor Misha I @ #:

And as to Whoopi Goldberg? I wish she was drugged and raped repeatedly before she started talking about “rape”-rape.

Please, I beg you, that is one task I do NOT want to do.

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:

By their charter, they dont endorse ANY candidates………………………………..

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

you know, you guys might want to look at birthdays, and count some dates, just sayin…

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

“Last week, her father said, Workman offered Kaitlyn a plea bargain. She could plead guilty to child abuse, a felony, and spend two years under house arrest. The judge would determine if she would have to register as a sex offender. They were given a deadline of May 24th to accept the offer or face trial.” The judge would determine… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

Hold on here. This is going to come down to intent. The 18 yr old knew the law and chose to ignore it. IF the 18 yr old did participate in 14 yr old running away, not once, but twice, and did so after parental warnings. Then she IS a sexual predator. As far as dating age, I think there… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC Gladiator says:

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:
By their charter, they dont endorse ANY candidates………………………………..

There’s a difference between “endorse” and “support.” I work in direct mail part time. For tax purposes, non profits don’t officially endorse candidates. However, if there are any Democrats or liberals that receive any kind of support from this organization, I’d be completely shocked.

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: There’s a difference between “endorse” and “support.” I work in direct mail part time. For tax purposes, non profits don’t officially endorse candidates. However, if there are any Democrats or liberals that receive any kind of support from this organization, I’d be completely shocked. The Council for National Policy (CNP) is a nonpartisan,… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

Again… in fundraising we use words like “conservative hero,” “help,” etc. You’re being deliberately obtuse. In this instance supporting a candidate does mean endorsement. They’re also not allowed to give money to any specific candidates. But they are allowed to focus on issues and what their allies are doing on the hill, etc. It’s not that difficult to understand. They… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

LC TerribleTroy @ #: Hold on here. This is going to come down to intent. Statutory rape is a strict liability matter, so intent is not an element. The only elements are: (1) was victim under age of consent; (2) did sexual conduct occur. If yes to both, then guilty (of SR or sexual battery, depending on exactly what acts… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise!

Please refrain from blaspheme or using our Lords name in vain. Thank you.

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC Gladiator says: LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise! Please refrain from blaspheme or using our Lords name in vain. Thank you. Well, so much for THAT discussion. The red herring is duly noted, especially since there’s no actual blasphemy in my written statement, but if you would like… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

rense.com Link Found Between Pedophilia & Left-Handedness By Tom Blackwell National Post A new Canadian study that found pedophiles have a strong tendency to be left-handed could help change decades of thinking about such sexual deviants — and lead to new ways of combating the problem, says one of the researchers behind it. Most experts have theorized that pedophiles are… Read more »

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
VonZorch Imperial Researcher

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise! :em08:

It is when you don’t want to understand.

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

Yes, the girl knew what she was doing was wrong. She knew it was illegal. Does it warrant ruining her life? Yes, she should be held responsible for her decision. As far as “ruining” her life, who made the decisions here? And frankly the whole “ruined life” is speculative at best considering her poor judgement skills to date. Keep in… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC TerribleTroy says: Yes, she should be held responsible for her decision. As far as “ruining” her life, who made the decisions here? And frankly the whole “ruined life” is speculative at best considering her poor judgement skills to date. Keep in mind if the reports are true, she had been WARNED. At what point does she become responsible? Troy,… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:
JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise!
It is when you don’t want to understand.

Truth.

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

Emperor Misha I says: LC TerribleTroy says: Yes, she should be held responsible for her decision. As far as “ruining” her life, who made the decisions here? And frankly the whole “ruined life” is speculative at best considering her poor judgement skills to date. Keep in mind if the reports are true, she had been WARNED. At what point does… Read more »

Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan
Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: Anyway, my initial comment was more of an analysis for the reasons for the outcry. I agree there are no special “gay rights.” I do think, though that because of the relatively rare prosecution of the same type of crime in hetero kids, the left now has a cause celebre, so to speak.… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan @ #: My problem is the law is selectively enforced. Tough law to enforce if no victims (or the parents thereof) come forward – most likely because a lot of it is consensual (aside from the fact that minors can’t legally consent) and therefore tolerated by all concerned. The only prosecutions tend to… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

I agree that the labeling for life should be reviewed. Maybe they should consider the sex offender registration like probation, the offender would be required to register for a specific period of time, no offenses committed during that period, and done. For cases like this only. The Polanski style cases would not qualify for such treatment. How the law makers… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

LC TerribleTroy @ #: I agree that the labeling for life should be reviewed. Maybe they should consider the sex offender registration like probation, the offender would be required to register for a specific period of time, no offenses committed during that period, and done. For cases like this only. The Polanski style cases would not qualify for such treatment.… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC TerribleTroy says: I can understand a 18 yr old and a 16 yr old. 18 and 14 is to great of a developmental gap and introduces coercion to the equation. My son turns 14 this aug and will enter the 8th grade. He is not anywhere close to being ready to hangout with the seniors nor would I allow… Read more »

Princess Natasha, Imperial Koch-monger
Princess Natasha, Imperial Koch-monger

Hmmm… What next? “Research” showing that being red haired makes you a pedophile? Being short? Being tall? Having blue eyes? ROFLMAO. Not all “research” is valid. Not all correlation equals causation. Just because some ignoramus with letters after his name from some bogus “degree” got bored and slung some bullshit together does not mean it’s true. And sending a girl… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

Princess Natasha, Resident Imperialist Warmonger says: Hmmm… What next? “Research” showing that being red haired makes you a pedophile? Being short? Being tall? Having blue eyes? ROFLMAO. Not all “research” is valid. Not all correlation equals causation. Just because some ignoramus with letters after his name from some bogus “degree” got bored and slung some bullshit together does not mean… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

Princess Natasha, Resident Imperialist Warmonger @ #: And sending a girl to prison for what is basically parenting fail, on BOTH sides? WTF, over… A good bit of all crime qualifies as a parenting fail on both sides – one set raised a wild thug, the other raised a wannabe thug, or a clueless idiot (went out in bad neighborhood,… Read more »

LC LucysDaddy--Imperial Tire Warranty Expert
LC LucysDaddy--Imperial Tire Warranty Expert

As a “left handed red head” I feel that I do deserve a special status because I am fucking awesome.

Any of you that disagree can kiss my hairy bean bag! :em05:

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:

I”m curious, did your folks know and approve of this relationship? Did you “date” or were you in a “relationship?

I will amend my previous comment to “introduces the potential for coercion”.

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC TerribleTroy says: LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #: I”m curious, did your folks know and approve of this relationship? Did you “date” or were you in a “relationship? I will amend my previous comment to “introduces the potential for coercion”. Troy, my parents had met him and approved of him. He was a good student, graduating and… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

I wasn’t inquiring about sex, more the longevity of the relationship. Dating = 3-4 social events, relationship= more frequent. So your folks were on board with this relationship. But what if they hadn’t been and took every step possible to deter / stop the inappropriate (in their mind) relationship? Would that have been within their rightful parental duties? You’ve stated… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC TerribleTroy says: I wasn’t inquiring about sex, more the longevity of the relationship. Dating = 3-4 social events, relationship= more frequent. So your folks were on board with this relationship. But what if they hadn’t been and took every step possible to deter / stop the inappropriate (in their mind) relationship? Would that have been within their rightful parental… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

Ah. I see now, the 14 yr olds parents should have sat the couple down (we are speculating that they didn’t) and reasoned with them. Cause we all know adolescents are so easily reasoned with. Or they should have equiped their child with the tools to navigate the relationship (that they disapprove of). I’m clear now. I tell you what,… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC TerribleTroy says: Ah. I see now, the 14 yr olds parents should have sat the couple down (we are speculating that they didn’t) and reasoned with them. Cause we all know adolescents are so easily reasoned with. Or they should have equiped their child with the tools to navigate the relationship (that they disapprove of). I’m clear now. I… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

BTW – if you’re left-handed, Gladiator thinks you’re a fucking pedophile, so you might as well cut your fucking hand off and go into the woods to jerk off with your right.

I NEVER said I agreed with the article. It was posted to rile up and/or initiate discussion.

Mission Accomplished.

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC Gladiator says: LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: BTW – if you’re left-handed, Gladiator thinks you’re a fucking pedophile, so you might as well cut your fucking hand off and go into the woods to jerk off with your right. I NEVER said I agreed with the article. It was posted to rile up and/or initiate discussion. Mission… Read more »