Equal Opportunity – Unequal Risks

Looking through various headlines I came across this:

Marine General says women ready for Combat

This is sure to be a hot button topic- so At the risk of crossing swords with the G.L.O.R’s here across the mighty Empire I have to say simply this – it’s wrong. It’s just flat out wrong. The General – G-d Bless her for her commitment and service in the Jihadi infested  hell holes known as Iraq and Afghanistan – I’m eternally grateful she survived it – is still dead wrong and as I see it shouldn’t have been there in the 1st place. Sorry to be a knuckledragger ladies. It’s just my opinion. Be it opinion or not there are reasoning’s behind the position I take IRT this subject. Read on.

This isn’t about any BS ‘battle of the sexes’ the so-called  ‘Women’s liberation’ or even ‘fairness’. It’s not even about ‘Equal Opportunity’. In fact I would call it Unequal Opportunity in the extreme because while a male can throw himself into the meat grinder called combat mostly with out fear of being caught by the enemy and raped – a woman cannot.

Women provide invaluable support to the Long War effort. Let me be clear on that point, I know they do because  I’ve worked along side them many times. But they don’t need to be on the front lines facing this enemy – or frankly any enemy for that matter.

This is more  about a society, particularly ours, and the liberal rot that infects it, that somehow demands that we on one hand protect women against sexual deviants and predators with ‘rape whistles’ and ‘call boxes’ yet turn around and deny them the right to carry a gun – a society that then, 30 seconds later, turns right around yet again and gives them a gun, send them to a war zone, and demands that now –  we accept that women be allowed to face combat up close and personal. Because that’s “Equal Opportunity” don’t you know?

To illustrate this conflicting stance we have on women  – take this Case in point: The headlines are awash right now with a case that is close to where I grew up – Stubbenville Ohio. A bunch of testosterone overload, some booze and the all to common (well at least these days) results of a sexual assault recorded on video of a 16 year old girl.

People are frothing at the mouth damn near forming lynch mobs against these two teens – as well as they should be. I’d think those two boys would probably warrant some serious protection would that have been my daughter.

Yet some of these same people are bound to be somehow okay with the thought of woman in combat. It’s a complete nonsensical stance to somehow demand protection for this 16 year old girl but in the next breath agree it’s okay to send an 18 year old woman into a combat zone – Does anyone – and I mean anyone other than a PC indoctrinated mouth breathing drug addled moron – really think that a enemy combatant from whatever-stan is going to be any kinder than these two idiot football players???

One of the photos I saw being held by a person demanding justice for this girl – “End Sexual Violence”. Great I’m 100% in agreement. Wait – Oh now you want me to put that same girl at the tender mercies of an implacable enemy hell bent on killing every last infidel on earth – and bonus points if he can do it on a live video feed. Triple bonus points if it is a woman? Sure, makes complete sense to me…..or not.

Let me be blunt about the question as to if the Jihadis will treat a woman better than these football players did – they wont. In fact that 16 year girl would have been treated worse than a testosterone overload drunk football player could even dream of, and  probably anything the western mind can comprehend. Women are for breeding. That is a very PREVALENT mind set of the males in Middle Eastern Society, the lower the economic and social status of the  Middle Eastern Male the more prevalent that thought of women being chattel to men becomes. And to be further blunt – the crown prince of Saudi Arabia isn’t out there in Afghanistan waging Jihad. It’s the dirt poor, poorly educated lower class Middle Eastern Male out there wiring up the IEDS and fighting for a poppy field in Afghanistan. And they don’t give a damn one way or the other about raping a woman if the chance presents itself.

You can twist and shout and argue about ‘moderate Islam’ and ‘moderate Muslims’ all you want – scream to the high heavens until you bust a vocal cord about ‘that’s not mainstream Middle Eastern Society!!” And I will tell you flat out – you are deluding yourself – dangerously so. The fact of the matter is,  that in a male dominated society as is found across 99% of  the Middle East – women are not regarded as being on the same levels of society as men. They just aren’t. To those willfully deluded  I simply will say – spend some time in the sandpit. You’ll see it up close and personal.

There were some reports floating around after the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was over run that the Ambassador was raped. I don’t know how true it is, there’s so much smoke and misdirection being put out on the subject it’s hard to tell,  I don’t find it all that hard to believe  – but is this what we as a nation want to subject ourselves to ? Is this what we want to have splashed across the MSM 24/7 news cycle for weeks that – Private Jane Doe was captured and then tortured and raped – and now those videos in all their graphic disgust are on every video site on the internet  al la Daniel Pearle and Ambassador Stevens ?

To be perfectly honest, that this is being allowed  -and nary a conservative voice has been raised in anger about it?  I think it shows clearly – our moral compass just broke.

What sort of society are we that will send our own Daughters into a hot war zone? To face an enemy that has no qualms what-so-ever about turning her into a sex toy? What sort of Society condones putting them at the front lines to face the horrors that send even the fiercest among us to months, years, or a lifetime of treatment for combat stress related disorders.

My answer to those queries? It’s a society as I have outlined  – that is mired in impossible contortions between right and wrong, where people are so clue bereft that they can actually in 30 seconds flat contradict themselves a full 360 degrees and utterly not be able to see the glaring hypocrisy in their thought pattern. A society that has forgotten what true honor for a woman is.

I’m not going to even delve into the physical side of this argument. Biology is what it is, and that is pretty much obvious. Very few woman can handle the same physical loads that a man can. But sending women in to combat, It’s not about physical or mental toughness – I know some tough women – my better half one of them – it’s about dignity, and keeping some amount of respect for our daughters, wives, and mothers. Sending them off to a meat shredding fest in some far flung corner of the globe to prove how tough they are -neither respects, dare I say it- the  gift  G-d gave us in the guise of a woman, nor does it prove a damn thing other than we are a bunch of idiots that can’t see wrong from right. The flip side of it though is ; Abdual that ain’t seen nothing but the south end of a goat in 6 months is sure to be appreciative the first time he lays hand on some 18 year old gal from the Great Satan that’s for sure.

According to some reports there were 150 woman killed in action since the war began in 2003. That’s 150 daughters, wives, maybe mothers that are gone. Dead. Never to have a child or if they did, raise that child and give it the security and affection that only a mother can provide. Are we ready to do this en mass? I guess we are because g-d forbid we not prostate ourselves at that PC Altar called Equal Opportunity .

Another side of this – The U.S. Federal Government KNOWS what is going on in the Middle East. They know it, they know the culture,  and they turn a blind eye to it. Instead to prove they are doing SOMETHING – ANYTHING…. they force anyone civilian and military alike, working on a U.S. Government funded project to complete what is known and “TIPS” or trafficking in persons education. Basically this is a bunch of feel good online training that boils down to “don’t hire hookers”. And still, despite being fully aware of it,  the head shed in DC, always ready to kneel at the alter of political correctness, and appease their Liberal focus groups – demand we put our wives and daughters right into the midst of a war zone on the front lines risking them in a society that has little or no compulsion to stop the sex trafficking of countless numbers of women.

So maybe someone should ask at this point: “Gee Snarl – it’s all about sex with you? Isn’t it?”

No  it is not – far from it, because rape is only one of the disgusting by products of dealing with a enemy that does not value women let alone any one other than their own kind. Full Stop.  No, It’s not about sex but  I have to ask – do you want to be party to this ? Do You want YOUR government to send your daughter or YOUR wife to end up here? Are we as a society ready to see our women brutalized like this? These were just a bunch of ‘dirt bag contractors’ liberals actually applauded it when it happened but –  What happens when it’s the Prom Queen of Middleburgh Anywhere?  I guess EO was severed it’s pound of flesh after all eh? Watch the video and get back to me on that M-kay?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA2DZXByAoQ[/youtube]

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LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

My arguement against women in combat is much, -much- simpler. The added cost of training, deploying, supporting and maintaining females in the armed forces, particularly in front line combat, do not justify the added expense of doing so. The military should not be a goddamn social program. It exists for the purposes of defending the interests of the people of… Read more »

LC PrimEviL
LC PrimEviL

Snarl, I am in 100% accordance with you. There are lots of support tasks that women can do, and in some cases do better than their male counterparts; that female nesting instinct, that keeps things organized. Plus, for every support position occupied by a woman, a male asset is freed to the tough stuff. Not that I’m totally against women… Read more »

I’m willing to be even more of a throwback. Civilized culture does not allow women on the battlefield as combatants. Women make fine fighter pilots and can fill other rolls but going head to head with enemies is not their role. And in western culture we are raised (some of us anyway) to protect women and children at all costs.… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

Snarl; in counterpoint, one word:

Israel.

I will argue the physical aspect. How many women do you know that can run 50 meters under fire, pick up a fully combat loaded Marine whose wounded weighing in at 250+ with gear and drag/carry him back? Oh yeah, do this after you’ve been running up and down hills for days or weeks from sun up until after dark… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

As I understand it, the IDF has a high esprit de corps, and the role of women on combat has been part of Israel for decades. They have had more than enough time to work out the bugs and issues. As I understand it: there IS no morale problem. Try to take them away from combat . and the men… Read more »

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
VonZorch Imperial Researcher

I suggest that women be allowed to go into combat arms if they can meet the same physical requirements that men are. If they choose to endanger themselves they should be allowed to.

LCBren
LCBren

This isn’t about any BS ‘battle of the sexes’ the so-called ‘Women’s liberation’ or even ‘fairness’. It’s not even about ‘Equal Opportunity’. In fact I would call it Unequal Opportunity in the extreme because while a male can throw himself into the meat grinder called combat mostly with out fear of being caught by the enemy and raped – a… Read more »

LC Guy S
LC Guy S

Allow this ol retired Squid to toss his two cents into the mill. 1. Israel (and there are others, if memory serves, but She is the best example) seems to be doing it correctly. To the best of my knowledge they do not “bend the rules/requirements” for the females in the IDF, they are expected to be able to do… Read more »

LC Guy S
LC Guy S

Brendan, note my last two sentences above, I think that being said, and enforced, would put us on the same page.

LCBren
LCBren

On this, I concur.

LCBren
LCBren

LCGuyS, I cleaned up the italics code. If you want the whole post in italics, let me know and I can insert the html code marker at the right place.

The instant G.I. Jane kicks a door and attempts to muzzle strike a 240 lb roided out Syrian, he’s going to snatch her m4 out of her hand, grab her by the top of her plate carrier and her crotch, lift her over his head, and just before he snaps her in half she’ll be thinking: “Fuck… I wish I… Read more »

rickn8or
rickn8or

BTDT with GuyS, (same place, same time, same female CO) and agree completely. Some of the finest Sailors I’ve worked with (and for) have been women, and like Guy, I’d gladly work for them again, because by the time period he’s talking about, all the Barbie Dolls had been weeded out. Despite the best efforts of some though, we cannot… Read more »

Kristophr, LC
Kristophr, LC

I have no problem with women in combat provided they can meet the physical requirements. If a particular woman cannot hump a full kit the required number of miles, or pick up and carry another soldier, she has no business being an infantryman. If she can’t help set up and load a four-deuce, she has no business being mortar crew,… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

The instant G.I. Jane kicks a door and attempts to muzzle strike a 240 lb roided out Syrian, he’s going to snatch her m4 out of her hand, grab her by the top of her plate carrier and her crotch, lift her over his head, and just before he snaps her in half she’ll be thinking: “Fuck… I wish I… Read more »

Rape. Yes. Lara Logan instantly comes to mind. Somewhere in my stack is the story, its about five years old, of the Afghan woman who after being repeatedly raped by several men had her breast crudely removed. The baby sitting at her feet was flung against the wall bashing it’s head in. This link http://tgates-of-hell.blogspot.com/p/gates-of-hellphotos.html no longer has the majority… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

LadyRaven one moment please: Life support system: check Thermal regulators:on Visor down. Oxygen is 14psi, nominal Cooling system: systems check nominal, Backup power source: on Thanks for waiting, flameproof suit and emeRgency cooling systems are now active. Question: Is it or or is it not the truth that woman are more in peril of rape and mutilation on their own… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

Patrick L. Boucher | No women in combat units Recently, the Military Leadership Diversity Commission recommended the inclusion of women into combat units. With all due respect to the commission, they and their supporters are wrong. Based upon two misguided concepts and an extreme case of faulty logic, proponents of women in combat units are making naïve and dangerous assumptions.… Read more »

FrankOK
FrankOK

As many others posting here, I haven’t a problems with wimmins in a front line combat billet providing she is physically equal to her peers. Attitude is one thing – physical prowess is quite another. Fuck a whole bunch of chivalry – that’s not the issue for me. Mother Nature is a bitch and designed wimmins for quite a different… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

*sigh* Natasha and I are in agreement over this. If the females can pass the same tests by the same standards as the males and graduate without special dispensations from special forces schools, and are willing to do what it takes, then let them do it. I pity the dumbass sand monkey who tries to mess with Nat! Or me,… Read more »

LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd
LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd

Not having served in the military, I’m content to sit this discussion out as those with experience debate it. However, having many friends who have either served or who are still serving (one currently in the capacity of an Army colonel), I’ve heard a good deal of opinion over the years on this subject. The IDF is frequently mentioned as… Read more »

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

I’ll ask again. “how much is this going to cost, and how will it improve combat readyness?” the elephant in the room is the answer… “more than we’re currently spending” and “it will not improve combat readyness. -at best- it will cause combat readyness to remain the same.” So, we’re getting an unknown quantity of ‘Bang’, with the probability (based… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R

Snarl posits: so At the risk of crossing swords with the G.L.O.R’s here This is one GLOR who will not cross swords with you. I served in the Air Force, at the end of the ‘Nam era. Shortly before I enlisted, the military had dropped the restriction that pregnant women had to get out (I got married and pregnant while… Read more »

LC Old Dog
LC Old Dog

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ 23: Nicki, I am not worried about you and Natash as I have been around your attitudes to know that neither of you would take a swing at something you knew you could not handle! What I am worried about is the first high profile crusader who gets the standards lowered via public… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch

LC Old Dog says: What I am worried about is the first high profile crusader who gets the standards lowered via public outcry and then finds her dumb ass in harms way and can’t cut it! Actually it will not be that Bitch I feel sorry for!! I agree with you there. I’m unwilling to compromise the high standards units… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

:em01:

Hey, lets Draft wimmin so we can pay them less than men to help the budget!!/s

:em05: :em05: :em05: :em05: :em05: :em05:

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

Hmmmmm….. When it comes to this debate the Israeli model is always identified. But I wonder, if there wasn’t a demographic necessity would they as a “culture” voluntarily adopt this model? Is this their preference or necessity? It is my opinion that the “American” culture produces males that would be distracted by women in combat, or maybe not distracted, but… Read more »

LC Gunsniper
LC Gunsniper

Personally, I wouldn’t want to share a foxhole with anyone who was eager to charge into combat because they felt they had something to prove to the world. Those are the kind of shitbirds who will get themselves and other in their unit killed the quickest.

0007
0007

IIRC, the Israelis tried the female-directly-in-combat and pretty quickly found out that it didn’t/doesn’t work. The male soldiers tended to put themselves in danger while trying to protect the female soldiers. So yes, female Israeli soldiers carry rifles, but they are not exposed to “direct” combat anymore.

bruce
bruce

israel does not put women in combat roles because it was a disaster when they did it from 1948 to 1950 .men don’t like to see women blown to pieces and woman are just not strong enough to be a grunts which takes a tole on moral.i don’t believe any women could have passed jump school in 1965 and i… Read more »

I am coming at this late & am going to repeat a little what others have said. There are an exceeding small percentage of women that can keep up with the men. Whether they have the desire to do so remains to be seen. The only way I can see this working is allowing women who wish to go into… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

Brendan, re: your comment about a woman at home being at greater risk of rape, I say you’re full of it. You don’t cite any statistics or facts, just a lot of BS. I would say it’s nearly 100% GUARANTEED that a military woman WOULD be raped were she captured by a towel-head. It’s the ultimate degradation. Link Every 45… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy says:

@ Tango9. You a Team guy?

Oh, lordie no. I’d drown in anything over knee deep water. :em06:

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

LCBrendan @ #: “With all respect, maybe the Israeli model is the one that proves women are viable in combat, and that maybe the old traditions and values have passed their use by date.” Lyudmila Pavlichenko and 2,000 other Red Army snipers proved it earlier. They may not be ideal line infantry, but if you need people in the field,… Read more »

LCBrendan says:

What a load of cobblers.

Ok. Well. We’ll see, won’t we?

watchyerlane
watchyerlane

I was a 11B assigned to D Co. 3/187 Inf 101st Airborne Division from 1984-1988. During that time, I saw first hand how women are NOT ready for combat. The only place on Campbell where women could play infantry was in Air Assault School. Women while having the mental skills to pass Air Assault School they washed out in either… Read more »

Missus Tango is a retired mustang captain. She did 12 enlisted, 10 more as an officer. She’s tough as nails (I avoid her wrath like one avoids bear traps and mine fields). Her troops universally called her ” the evil bitch” and would all follow her to hell and volunteer to take point. And she’ll be the first one in… Read more »

watchyerlane says: I was a 11B assigned to D Co. 3/187 Inf 101st Airborne Division from 1984-1988. . I know some 18B’s and D’s (god I love my medics). And wouldn’t you know it one 18B turned out to be a hippie. What are the odds? All 5th group and 1 worthless ass from 19th. Carl Gustav does not equal… Read more »

LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.
LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.

Sad news to report, in case anyone has missed it. Our own EFA has passed away.

http://www.hookersandbooze.com/2013/03/sad-news-2/

I’m still in tears.

LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R. says: Sad news to report, in case anyone has missed it. Our own EFA has passed away. http://www.hookersandbooze.com/2013/03/sad-news-2/ I’m still in tears. LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R. recently posted..Sad News Having not been here long, I didn’t know him. That said, the loved and lost are forever saved in… Read more »

LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.
LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.

Tango9 @ #:

Thanks. I’ve been AWOL from here mostly due to managing six other blogs and being an ROTC mom, but have to get back into the groove of things. I’m just heartbroken that this is the reason that brought me back 🙁

LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R. says: Tango9 @ #: Thanks. I’ve been AWOL from here mostly due to managing six other blogs and being an ROTC mom, but have to get back into the groove of things. I’m just heartbroken that this is the reason that brought me back LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.… Read more »

LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.
LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.

Tango9 says:

It’s why we just fill a glass of Guinness and place it on the bar and no one gets to touch it.

Indeed, but sadly, I gave up alcohol for Lent 😀

I am sure EFA would be the very first to say “Fuck it, Aggie!! Bottoms up!”

bruce
bruce

i was an 11b3p and served in the 2/502 of the 101st airborne in viet nam from 1967 to 1969.there is no way that any woman could hump the boonies.to say nothing of the creepy crawlies like leaches try to crawl up any orifice it can get into or the army sends a box of tiger shit home because that… Read more »

LC Gunsniper
LC Gunsniper

watchyerlane @ #41: Hey Rakkasans. I was in B 3/320 FA from 87 to 88 before being shipped to Germany. In our Air Assault class only one female made it past Zero day and just barely passed the road march, and she came fresh from Ft. Bragg. I got a kick out of her accidentally sounding off with “Airborne!” once… Read more »

LC Draco
LC Draco

I also am a Rakkassan…1/187. BTW…Unless I missed a post, in Israel, females in combat units only fight in DEFENSIVE operations. Not offensive. I worked with some when I was in 10th Group and they are GREAT soldiers and I would fight beside them. But even I would, in the back of my mind, would try to protect them in… Read more »

bruce says: i was an 11b3p and served in the 2/502 of the 101st airborne in viet nam from 1967 to 1969.there is no way that any woman could hump the boonies.to say nothing of the creepy crawlies like leaches try to crawl up any orifice it can get into or the army sends a box of tiger shit home… Read more »

Tallulah
Tallulah

I agree 150%.

Man’s mission in this world is to protect and provide for the women and children. That’s what y’all are for!

And we love you for it.

And we pray that, when you go into battle on our behalf, God will stretch his protective arm over you, and grant you victory against our enemies.

Tallulah
Tallulah

Women can shoot, ride, pilot aircraft, etc. But this push by the LEFT is about something else. It’s about breaking the primordial MALE-FEMALE BOND. In other words; they don’t WANT men to feel chivalrous toward women any more. They don’t WANT women to look to their men for protection. Quite apart from the practicality of it all, THIS is what’s… Read more »

Tallulah says: Women can shoot, ride, pilot aircraft, etc. But this push by the LEFT is about something else. It’s about breaking the primordial MALE-FEMALE BOND. In other words; they don’t WANT men to feel chivalrous toward women any more. They don’t WANT women to look to their men for protection. Quite apart from the practicality of it all, THIS… Read more »