A Clash of Rights and Privileges

In case you missed the link in the comments, I’ve decided to put a link to LC & IB Blackiswhite’s most excellent post on the whole HHS mandate issue and how it goes far beyond religion.

No, not going to excerpt it. It’s some of the best that I’ve ever seen Blackiswhite write, and that’s saying a lot!.

Thatisall.

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February 17, 2012 13:01

Sending that link on…puts it all in perspective quite nicely, destroying liberal arguments in the process.

Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut
Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut (@muzzy-imperial-ignorant-slut)
February 17, 2012 13:51

I have a question not addressed in BlackisWhite’s post. Health plans are a benefit, just like wages. Once the benefit has been granted, the employee should be free to use it how ever he wishes. Presumably the Catholic Church knows that it’s non-catholic employees already spend their wages on contraception, so why do they have a problem with employees claiming… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator (@gladiator)
February 17, 2012 13:54

Did Obama Take a Hit in the Kathleen Sebelius War? Politically, taking on Jews in a surreptitious manner, jackpotting Israel at every turn, overtly reaching out to Israel’s enemies and never once going to the land of our closest ally in the Middle East and possibly our most necessary….is unwise. But Obama owns it, lock, stock and barrel. There is… Read more »

LC SecondMouse
LC SecondMouse (@secondmouse)
February 17, 2012 13:55

Indeed. Perhaps the greatest irony in all of this government overreach is the lost fact of the origins of organized healthcare in the United States. Most of the very first hospitals were entirely charitable organizations formed by churches and religious orders so as to care for their fellow man with no regard for payment or material reward. But today the… Read more »

Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere
Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere (@blackiswhite)
February 17, 2012 14:36

I have a question not addressed in BlackisWhite’s post. Health plans are a benefit, just like wages. Once the benefit has been granted, the employee should be free to use it how ever he wishes. Presumably the Catholic Church knows that it’s non-catholic employees already spend their wages on contraception, so why do they have a problem with employees claiming… Read more »

Mark12A
Mark12A (@mark12a)
February 17, 2012 14:44

My health care plan has an approved formulary. My particular plan covers some things and not others. For that reason, I’ve had to change from one particular medication to another that works, but is not chemically identical. For whatever reason. So should the Catholic Church, through their insurance carrier, choose not to include contraceptive devices within their formulary, this is… Read more »

LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology
LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology (@getalis)
February 18, 2012 00:36

Emperor Misha I says: The Catholic Church has at no point in this whole debate as much as suggested that they have the authority to mandate what their employees do with their own money, He/She/It knows, my liege. As does every leftist proffering the phony “Wymyn’s Rights” card. They. Simply. Don’t. Care. Take a moment and ponder the chilling ramifications… Read more »

LC FX Phillips
LC FX Phillips (@fxpcpa)
February 18, 2012 05:23

This is just another example of the statist desire to disguise their confiscation of property as someone else’s “right”. Long ago the left divorced the concept of rights being pared with responsibilities and then transmogrified commodities into “rights”. We have to regain control of the language. Again if I have to provide it for you it isn’t a right. If… Read more »

Mark12A
Mark12A (@mark12a)
February 18, 2012 08:28

If they can do this, it’s a very small step to forcing the catholic church to sanctify gay marriages.

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator (@gladiator)
February 18, 2012 09:21

Large racial differences remain: 73 percent of black children are born outside marriage, compared with 53 percent of Latinos and 29 percent of whites. And educational differences are growing. About 92 percent of college-educated women are married when they give birth, compared with 62 percent of women with some post-secondary schooling and 43 percent of women with a high school… Read more »

Lady H
Lady H (@lady-h)
February 18, 2012 19:21

P.S.: And no, the “boy fucking” has absolutely nothing to do with this particular subject, so unless you have an unnatural urge to talk about gay sex with minors, kindly drop it. And if you do, take it to an open thread. We can call it the “Muzzy Gay Minor Rape Fantasy Open Thread.” Thank you, Misha. I knew that… Read more »

Lady H
Lady H (@lady-h)
February 18, 2012 19:22

*1% at the priest at the most* I meant to add/type to my statement above. Cannot see edit button anymore.

Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere
Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere (@blackiswhite)
February 19, 2012 11:27

I keep it on there anyway and I’m kind of proud of it— it’s what we call “white martyrdom”. Obeying G*d and His laws instead of modern “popular opinion”.

*subscribes to Lady Heather’s newsletter*

Mark12A
Mark12A (@mark12a)
February 20, 2012 09:01

I’m not catholic. Heck, I’m not even a christian.

But I’ll stand beside any christian in defense of his or her faith. As far as I’m concerned, that battle is worthy. It may be the most worthy battle of our generation.

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator (@gladiator)
February 20, 2012 20:00

LC HJ Caveman82952 @ #:
BLESS YOU CAVE

Lady H
Lady H (@lady-h)
February 22, 2012 12:32

Yes, G*d bless you, Cave.

LC PrimEviL
LC PrimEviL (@gahaze)
February 23, 2012 14:59

What everyone seems to be missing in all the moralizing, is that any such mandate on any religious order is flat out unconstitutional. Direct violation of the First Amendment clause: “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof” (emphasis mine) Secondly, why should contraception and/or abortion be mandated as part of any employer-provided… Read more »