His Majesty has laid out a plan for voting in the Virginia Primary, where it has been arranged that Willard Mitt “Flipper” Romney would only have Ron “Protocols of Ron” Paul to oppose him; guaranteeing him a sweep of Virginia’s delegates, and the superficial appearance of strong support in a southern state. I don’t live in Virginia, but if I did, I would follow His Majesty’s plan. Vote for Paul in hope of damaging Mittens.
And, acknowledging that Newt is a deeply flawed candidate for the nomination [no hostility to Santorum, but it must be admitted that he does not rouse the passion to fight], he at least is not an open enemy of Conservatives, Patriots, and the TEA party. Thus, I can see supporting him as the only way to stop Mittens, despite Newt’s flaws.
But that leaves us with the problem of what to do if the Institutionals force Romney’s nomination. I am not saying that is certain. There are … rumblings of a brokered convention, and a certain lady from the far North has been far more involved of late, including with an open declaration of war against the Institutionals. But it is always a good thing to have a plan ready to cope with what the enemy does.
I frequent many places on the Internet, and among them is the site LEGAL INSURRECTION. One of the commenters came up with an idea that would seem to work, and work well.
1. Voting for Obama in the general election is akin to treason.
2. Voting for Romney is not functionally different in outcome, if he wins. The problem is that there is no way that he will win.
3. Further, voting for Romney only encourages the Institutionals to keep putting up Vichy Republicans and suppressing Conservatives.
4. Voting for another conservative party has downsides I will explain.
5. Undervoting the ticket [leaving the President/VP lines blank] or writing in even if it will not be counted are options, but not as effective as this from “Darkstar58” at LEGAL INSURRECTION:
Darkstar58 | January 31, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Many of us will likely do the same if extreme Liberal Governor turned say anything car salesman Establishment candidate gets the nod.
Although, if there is someone on the ticket, I still think our votes would be best served going to whoever is under the Green Party flag. If they get 5%, they get Fed help for future elections and splitting the Dem ticket for years to come is a chance I cant pass up if forced to choose between “Them (Obama) and Them (Romney)” (as STF put it)
Darkstar58 | January 31, 2012 at 3:00 pm
No, getting the “Green Party” Fed recognition will ensure the Democrat vote is split in the future (making it easier for Republicans or Tea Party-like candidates running under a Republican Nomination to get elected)
If the “Libertarian Party” were to gain Fed Recognition it would hurt the GOP/TeaParty and mean much more Democrat Control moving forward.
“sending a message” will be accomplished by the low percentage of Romney-Republican and Romney-Independent turnout. Voting Johnson ultimately accomplishes nothing, and stands to hurt us a ton moving forward.
I will not vote Libertarian because of it unless there is absolutely no other name on the ticket.
I’m a Nader (or whoever) man all the way if Romney gets the nod…
The discrepancy between total votes cast for Republicans downticket, and for Romney should get the attention of the Institutional leadership. And it would; if they gave an airborne coital thrust at a rotating, radially symmetric, toroidal fried piece of dough translating over a surface, about what the base thinks. They do not care about us, so long as they hold on to power within the party. They are not only willing, but eager, to lose to Obama. If Obama wins, there is no additional internal party threat to the power of the Institutional Republicans. Being a kept opposition is a very good and profitable gig, if you have no soul.
So what do we do to not collaborate with the Institutionals and still hurt the Democrats?
There are two minor parties on the Conservative side, the Libertarians and the Constitution Party. Like it or not, the Libertarians are tainted with the mixed message of being associated with the more outré statements of Ron Paul. So long as he is one of their leading lights, that condition will obtain.
The Constitution Party is irredeemably tainted, for me at least. Here in Colorado, we have a Democrat as governor, elected in 2010. A TEA Party supported candidate won the Republican nomination. This horrified the Republican Central Committee, and they demanded that he step down because he was “unsuitable”. The meeting with the Central Committee was … noteworthy. Also, unsatisfactory from the Central Committee’s point of view as the general tenor of our candidate’s response was FOAD.
So, the Republican Central Committee cut a deal with the Constitution Party. The Constitution Party replaced their already selected governor candidate with a RCC selected Republican who changed his registration temporarily [Tom Tancredo, a Republican again since a week after the election]. In return, the Republicans arranged to finance the Constitution Party’s campaign, and guaranteed them 5% of the vote. That last gave them Major Party status under Colorado law, and automatic ballot access without petitions statewide. With the Republicans pushing the Constitution Party and NOT supporting the TEA Party Republican, the Democrat won handily, which pleased them. The Republicans kept a TEA Party candidate from winning office; which for them was a worthwhile trade for the governorship. And the Constitution Party got major party status, which they never would have done electorally. The only ones who lost were the TEA Party Patriots.
But if Romney is the Republican candidate; a vote for the Green Party presidential candidate, whoever he/she/it is gives us a win, with no additional downside. If Conservatives can get them to the point where they qualify for Federal campaign financing, they will have a real, albeit small and less than competent, national campaign. It means that instead of voting automatically for the Democrat and helping them win; they will vote for their own and lose. It will weaken the Democrats and make our own separation from the Institutionals that much easier. And it is not as if Democrat attempts to pander to the Greens will make things worse. When is the last time that the Democrats have made a policy decision that did not put the opinions of the Greens above the rest of the country? And if the Greens go full-on Moonbat, all it will do is discredit themselves further with the rest of the country, and harm the Democrats by implication.
I grant that the elections of 2012 are themselves at great risk from a possible fake state of emergency. And if Obama is re-elected, future elections are problematical at best. But if Romney is the nominee, he is not going to win. It is impossible, and his Institutional sponsors well know it. So, just to have the chance of influencing any putative future elections that might occur in 2014 and beyond; instead of voting for the pale pastel pink Romney, vote for the Greenest critter you can find at the top of a ticket.
LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
However. Let’s first see if the efforts to get Ogabe removed from state tickets because he’s not a natural-born citizen go somewhere. It’s gaining traction…
Spot on, DJ. And no, Troy, it doesn’t. I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if nearly half the eligible voters in this country stayed HOME. Survey after survey shows that the vast majority of Americans have no faith in the government and do not believe that it represents them. Surveys also confirm that the vast… Read more »
@Troy Further – the SHEEPLE thing to do is to keep pretending that your vote matters. To keep doing what is expected of all the rest of the flock. Baa, Baa, pull the lever, baa, baa. This is WRONG and we all know it. The question is how do we fix it? And we’re NOT going to fix it by… Read more »
Orion @ #:
Please advise me where I ever gave you the fucking impression that I advocated a continuation of this bullshit?
Divide et Impera, Subotai, I like it! Strengthen the fracture within the NSDWP and let them waste resources trying to stop the leak. As to the whole “hold your nose because Ogabe is worse” vs. “fuck this, I ain’t voting for either” dust-up that is bound to come, I will take neither side, albeit I’m on the latter myself. I… Read more »
living as i do in the People’s Republic of California, i can cheerfully NOT vote for Mittens with a clear conscience, as there is no way in hell he’s getting a majority here, even if he captures 100% of the illegal alien vote, but i love the idea of pushing the Green’s up into the brackets, as that will screw… Read more »
there was a link there, i swear it!
You really haven’t a clue what’s going on in Wisconsin.
I don’t know about that. Santorum rouses my passion to punch him in the throat. Does that count?
If mittenz gets the nomination, judging by the number or horrifically written ad-hom’ attack calls we logged on our phones and BS filled mailers in our mailbox,, it sure ain’t gonna’ be a debate of facts or reason.. All we’ll wind up with is a leader who can fund the most attack ads.
Whatever happened to Tha Good Stuff?
Mittens may fuck up the country as badly as Ogabe, but I’m hoping he’ll do it more slowly since it will be his first term and we’ll have a bit of breathing room.
Ogabe will not be running for re-election in 2016 so he won’t give two shits about who he pisses off or how badly he shreds the constitution.
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: I don’t know about that. Santorum rouses my passion to punch him in the throat. Does that count? I live in Pennsylvania Nicki, you’re being entirely to good to the guy. I worked on his Senate campaign in 94, took some photos for the county GOP, helped set up for local events, things… Read more »
Trouble is… none of it matters. In the era of American Idol and duck-faced guido girls with Gucci bags (yes, these things actually vote) it is impossible to get anyone with sense anywhere near major political office. Larry Elder posited the “Elvis factor” where approximately 10% of the population believes Elvis is still alive, and if you write a letter… Read more »
DJ, in some of your post’s you actually make sense, others, not so much. What the Founding Fathers envisioned was that those with a stake in the game (landowners, those who actually PAY taxes) are the ones who would be able to vote, therefore controlling the direction of the government, whether local, state of fed. SOMEHOW, that’s not what we… Read more »
In further news, it’s so fun to watch Little Jenny Rubin get her tits slapped, and watch her spin franticlly
First here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/egomaniacs-r-us-trump-to-pick-newt/2012/02/01/gIQA5iC8jQ_blog.html
Oh …then go here:
What a tool.
Gladiator, that all depends on whom Obama is running against. Romney isn’t likely to inspire a whole lot more confidence, I suspect, than Obama himself. Some say that makes him more electable, but the fact is if he’s not inspiring enough to draw supporters to the voting booth, turnout will stink and he’ll still lose.
Donald Trump to endorse Mitt Romney Just fuck it…all of it. Bloodshed is coming and there’s not a goddamn thing to stop it. We’re going to be neck deep in it. The wealthy and the RINOs are backing the establishment whore and telling everybody else to go fuck themselves and the NSDWP are pissing all over themselves that they are… Read more »
Subotai, A couple of things: 1) Could you (or anyone) help me with “…the more outré statements of Ron Paul” – seriously – I wasn’t paying that much attention to him until this primary Cluster really got ramped up, and now what I really have to go on are his position statements. 2) Did your county ever get that referendum… Read more »
Fuck it…. I wanna divorce!
Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says: LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: I don’t know about that. Santorum rouses my passion to punch him in the throat. Does that count? I live in Pennsylvania Nicki, you’re being entirely to good to the guy. I worked on his Senate campaign in 94, took some photos for the county… Read more »
A good idea is a good idea.
I like it.
ONE MORE TIME I’ve heard more than a few Newt and Paul supporters out there; “If Romney wins, I’m staying home on election day”. While I’m not especially passionate about Romney just yet, I’ll reiterate what an awful idea this is. Don’t go there, people. I’ve got ten suggestions for much more-productive responses. Keep things in perspective – Forget Gingrich’s… Read more »
#29 LC MuscleDaddy Our County Clerk is slow and has not posted the January meeting minutes. I got my scanner 10-8 and if you have an email, I’ll send a scan of ours in Fremont County to you. I don’t have El Paso County’s and their clerk will not answer emails. However, I am given to understand from our people… Read more »
Here you go.
Roseanne Barr seeks Green Party presidential nod
That just adds to the humor of it; if they get Federal funded status under Roseanne Barr. Talk about being in a shadow!
LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
I can’t post a topic, so I’ll introduce it sideways. Does anyone think that Obama’s current war on religion – I mean, the sheer chutzpah of telling the Catholic Church they HAVE to hand out contraceptives and offer abortions – will have any effect on the vote? And then there’s this: Obama: Jesus Would Back Higher Taxes President Barack Obama… Read more »
LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @ #:
Thank you sir – I may be reached Here
Whoa – Nice Newt-Ad right Here…
#38 LC MuscleDaddy
That link just takes me to the ROTT main page.
LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
Mark12A growls and barksMittens may fuck up the country as badly as Ogabe, but I’m hoping he’ll do it more slowly since it will be his first term and we’ll have a bit of breathing room. Ogabe will not be running for re-election in 2016 so he won’t give two shits about who he pisses off or how badly he… Read more »
LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @ #:
D’oh! – Sorry, that’s what I get for trying to be slick with a link to something that wasn’t actually a URL.
Okay, let’s go with this then
(pay no attention to how long ago the last post was)
Mark12A says: Ogabe will not be running for re-election in 2016 so he won’t give two shits about who he pisses off or how badly he shreds the constitution. On steroids. LC Light29ID says: Donald Trump to endorse Mitt Romney Just fuck it…all of it. Bloodshed is coming and there’s not a goddamn thing to stop it. We’re going to… Read more »
Since we havent had an OPEN THREAD in a LONG time (hint,hint, liked em weekly),and since this IS Super Bowl Weekend, I present to you the BEST Super Bowl Commercial of ALL TIME. Only a liberal-marxist-democrat would disagree.
You know Dj Just when I think you have a little logic , you piss and shit on Duty , Honor , Country and maybe even the Almighty,. Well if that is how you truly feel don’t get in the way of my Katana or 6.8mm SPC and RUM. You have to be shitting me when Kids are dying for… Read more »