Do WHAT Now? Come Again, Do WHAT?

OK, this is the last bloody straw for His Imperial Majesty (h/t Ace):

As homosexual Army soldier Bradley Manning’s treason trial continues at Fort Meade, Maryland, the support he has received from Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been curiously ignored by the major media, now touting Paul as someone who could win the January 3 Iowa Republican Caucuses. Paul has called Manning, a crossdresser with acknowledged mental problems, a “hero” and “patriot” for stealing government secrets and providing them to WikiLeaks.

We really couldn’t care less if that treasonous piss-bag Manning likes to dress up like Tootsie and prefers his vice versa, as in up the Khyber Pass, but did Luap Nor just call a traitor who has endangered the lives of our friends and allies and already caused the death of several of them a “hero” and a “patriot???”

Did we get that right?

Manning, who served as an intelligence analyst in Iraq, is charged with one of the most spectacular and damaging leaks of classified information in this country’s history. The death penalty has been strangely ruled out in his case,

Nothing strange about it, as this nation lost its balls along with its will to enforce its own laws several decades ago. Witness Johnny Taliban and his ludicrous mockery of justice “sentence.”

but he could still face life in prison.

Which is where we’d normally console ourselves with the knowledge that the spineless, traitor pussy would end up as the petukh of a 6’5″ linebacker with the wedding tackle of a thoroughbred Arab stallion. Unfortunately, widdle Bradley would actually enjoy that.

However, speaking at a campaign rally, Paul said that while Manning may have “technically” broken the law against releasing classified information to WikiLeaks, he did so for the purpose of exposing the “horrible things” being carried out by the U.S. Government.

Referring to Manning’s detention before trial, Paul said, “Should he be locked up and imprisoned?” Manning should be seen as a “political hero” and “true patriot who reveals what’s going on,” Paul said.

Damn, Paul, why don’t we erect a statue of him and put him on the Mall? Criminy, why stop there? Let’s declare his birthday a national holiday on which we’re all required to dress up as our mothers and watch Brokeback Mountain on endless repeats. Perhaps we could make the theme music the national anthem?

After all, he did “expose horrible things” being carried out by the U.S. Government, whatever those “horrible things” might be and hey, so what if people in the shit who’ve been putting their lives on the line to provide us with intel get murdered along with their families in the process? Eggs. Omelet. Some breakage required. The Greater Good and all that. Which apparently doesn’t include using intelligence assets to hunt down and destroy our enemies in Dr. Dork’s world.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, because we remain unconvinced, that anything “horrible” was done that posilutely HAD to be leaked by Bradley “Patriot” Manning who was nothing but a misfit sissy pissed off that he couldn’t have pudding as dessert every day, we can only logically conclude that Ron Paul believes that it would have been the duty of an English “patriot” to “blow the whistle” on the British ability to read Enigma.

(UPDATE: Upon further research prompted by LC Xystus, we have learned that some controversy exists regarding the following, and it is only fair to point it out. After the initial claim of Ultra foreknowledge was made by an Ultra man, Group Captain Winterbotham, other Ultra people disputed it, claiming that either no foreknowledge existed at all or that they knew of three possible targets, just not which one of the three would be hit. Who is telling the truth and who’s not is obviously hard to determine, but keep in mind that the raid ultimately cost about 600 lives and caused untold destruction. It’s not hard to see how one might not be interested in being associated with having known in advance of that, no matter what the justification might have been. We report, you decide. Regardless, the point remains: No matter how much or how little Ultra knew in advance, using Luap Nor’s “logic” it would have been “heroic” for somebody to shout it from the rooftops no matter how much damage that would have done to the war effort, and we know now that it would have been immense as the Germans remained ignorant of the breach until the end of the war).

Why is that? Well, as you may or may not know, Ultra (British SIGINT during WWII) had found a way to decode Enigma and the Germans weren’t aware of that. In 1940, Ultra learned, through that, that the Germans were about to bomb the city of Coventry back to the Pleistocene, yet Churchill decided to not take massive measures to protect the city, as it would likely alert the Germans to the fact that the Brits were reading their email.

You can think of that what you will, His Imperial Majesty is conflicted on the issue. On the one hand, the brutal math of war and the situation that the world was in in 1940 dictates that Churchill’s decision was the prudent one. The following years vindicated that, as the Germans continued to be blissfully unaware which played a huge role in the outcome of the U-Boat War for the Atlantic, among many other things. On the other, His Majesty didn’t live in Coventry in 1940, nor does he have any relatives who did, so it’s easy for us to be objective about it.

What can’t be denied is that allowing Coventry to become bombed to a degree where it became a verb to the Germans for “obliterating a city through aerial bombardment” was a truly horrible thing, albeit not quite as horrible as the alternative, which would have been to let the Germans know that their “impenetrable code” had been penetrated, thus depriving the Allies of vital, war-altering intel for the next five years.

So, by The Only Man Who Can Save America’s “logic”, some unnamed Brit at Bletchley Park would have been a “political hero” and a “true patriot” if he had chosen to “blow the whistle” on Ultra’s foreknowledge of the attack and the “horrible thing” they’d done by not acting on it.

Never mind that unknown thousands, tens of thousands, who knows?, millions of people would have died as a result.

Can “Dr” Luap Nor come up with something in the Manning leaks that even approaches the level of horror in letting Coventry be bombed? If not, then our argument stands.

That fucking, doddering, drooling cretin of a self-obsessed truther crank would have been perfectly fine, even praising a traitor who would have given the Nazis the biggest tip-off in the history of World War II.

That’s it.

You’re dead to us, you fuckwit, dead.

Thatisall.

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LC Xystus
LC Xystus (@xystus)
December 21, 2011 04:03

Current info is that the story about the Brits’ knowing the Coventry raid’s target in advance wasn’t quite true. Just sayin’…

NR Pax
NR Pax (@nr-pax)
December 21, 2011 06:42

Ron Paul has been dead to me for quite a while. This incident pretty much pours concrete over the grave. Actual, honest-to-God people have been killed because of this information release. Sure, they’re just “little brown people” in the eyes of Assange, Manning and Paul. But I guess that they’re a small price to pay for Speaking Truth To Power.… Read more »

FrJim, Imperial Chaplain
FrJim, Imperial Chaplain (@frjim)
December 21, 2011 07:50

Rep. Paul – a member of the House of Representatives and hence, protected under Article 88 of the UCMJ – positions himself to lose support in the nomination process. Few Republicans seem eager to back a man who encourages a traitor with mental problems. As to Manning’s treachery, I think life in prison at Leavenworth, where protective rules have less… Read more »

Bones
Bones (@bones)
December 21, 2011 08:17

I was going to try to defend him by saying that no-one could possibly be that screwed up and say something like that, not even paul. Went to the site, followed that to a youtube link, watched it and done. I always thought that the dude was full of bats between his ears on foriegn policy, but WTF? Manning? That… Read more »

NR Pax
NR Pax (@nr-pax)
December 21, 2011 08:54

FrJim, from what I have heard (Legal disclaimer there), the prisoners in Leavenworth treat prisoners that acted against the U.S. with the same amount of kindness as child molesters are treated in regular prisons. The problem may be handled out of sight of the guards.

LC PrimEviL
LC PrimEviL (@gahaze)
December 21, 2011 09:12

So much for Ron Paul. I always thought he came across as a bit of a flake on Foreign Policy,
and Military affairs; but to openly call a little assmaggot like Manning a “hero” goes beyond the pale.
Goodbye, Mr. Paul. Please retire, and while away your remaining days as the ditsy old grampa you truly are.

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E. (@cmblake6)
December 21, 2011 09:24

LC/IB PrimEviL @ # 7: Ooookkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy. That, I am in total agreement, IS the removal of the headstone of his grave. Or, better yet, reason for a rotating light on top of the grave, so you’ll know where it is to piss on it. Dr. Paul, go the fuck away from our candidacy. Just go away. :em08:

Mark12A
Mark12A (@mark12a)
December 21, 2011 10:16

And this idiot is from Texas? Did he have a fucking aneurysm or something?

GGE
GGE (@larry)
December 21, 2011 10:32

Fuck Luap Nor, the horse he rode in on, and anyone who thinks he’s a good candidate for President. Not saying I have anything against horses, you see, but the poor dear would likely be wanting to be put out of his misery for being forced to carry this assnugget.

Virago
Virago (@virago)
December 21, 2011 11:56

What continues to amaze me about Luap Nor is the blind fanaticism of his followers (minions). To me the guy has always been a nutbar. Before this latest lovefest with Manning, he believes it’s just dandy that Iran gets nukes. His isolationist policies and denial of evil in the world is so nuts and dangerous. He is the Neville Chamberlain… Read more »

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E. (@cmblake6)
December 21, 2011 12:15

Virago says:

He is the Neville Chamberlain of our time.

Beautifully said! :em03:

Southern Libertarian
Southern Libertarian (@southern-libertarian)
December 21, 2011 14:10

When I first read this I thought you were pulling my leg sir. However, when I confirmed that Ron Paul did indeed say those words my second thought was “Say it isn’t so Ron, Say it isn’t so”. /FACEPALM! / FACEPALM! / FACEPALM! For as long as I can remember I have been his staunchest defender. I was supporting this… Read more »

Southern Libertarian
Southern Libertarian (@southern-libertarian)
December 21, 2011 14:11

Now I gotta go and find a new Gravitar. Damn it all to hell.

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch (@lc-nicki-the-resident-misanthropic-bitch)
December 21, 2011 14:38

I hope against all hope that this will once and for all end Paul’s presidential ambitions. I’ve actually supported him quite a bit over the years. He has a stellar 2nd Amendment record, and talks a good game when it comes to the Constitution. I have had, and continue to have, serious issues about his plopping earmarks for his own… Read more »

Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan
Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan (@slightly-to-the-right-of-gingis-khan)
December 21, 2011 16:03

Our friend Southern Libertarian excepted, I’m guessing this will not give most of the PaulBots pause. I’ve never been a big Paul fan, but I have to admit that I’m surprised that he is that out there on this one. I’m even more surprised that he was willing to say it in front of cameras during a Presidential run.

LC Guy S
LC Guy S (@lc-guy-s)
December 21, 2011 16:43

You should hear the interesting discussions over here in the hinterlands of Northern Illinois, between my sweetieheart and I. She is of the opinion that all the current contestants, running for the GOP nod are little more than all talk and little or no action. But she has had a soft spot for Paul. I, on the other hand, like… Read more »

Guest
December 21, 2011 16:48

Seems a great, big torpedo just hit what support I had for Paul……..

Southern Libertarian
Southern Libertarian (@southern-libertarian)
December 21, 2011 17:06

It became more and more difficult to support the guy over the course of the election. The main reason I even supported him in the first place was because his strong support for the 10th Amendment and his plan to cut wasteful spending and government programs/departments. But this was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I had to say… Read more »

Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan
Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan (@slightly-to-the-right-of-gingis-khan)
December 21, 2011 17:51

Southern Libertarian says:

I live, I learn and I move on.

It’s what we all do my friend.

Southern Libertarian
Southern Libertarian (@southern-libertarian)
December 21, 2011 18:10

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: As for why AIM harped on his homosexuality – Kincaid and crew are social conservatives. They’re not trying to equate homosexuality with treason, but attempting to provide evidence that gays have no place in a secure environment. I can kinda see why they would try to make an argument like that but I… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch (@lc-nicki-the-resident-misanthropic-bitch)
December 21, 2011 18:16

Southern Libertarian @ #:
Correct. However, any chance those people have of pointing out the evils of Teh Ghey, they will take. It’s what they do.

irish19
irish19 (@irish19)
December 21, 2011 21:33

I copied the link over at American Spectator since there are any number of Paulbots over there who seem to think that anyone who disagrees with the good doctor is an Israel-first type.

LC Old Dog
LC Old Dog (@jmiked)
December 22, 2011 00:01

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #: Nicki, unless I read my Modern copy of the UCMJ and decisions by the Military Court of Appeals (Hey, I live in a Military Retirement city and I have friends); testimony by two Forensic Computer Scientists constitutes two witnesses under Military Law! Of course if they try to go with that then… Read more »

LC Old Dog
LC Old Dog (@jmiked)
December 22, 2011 00:04

Emperor Misha I @ #:
Even Batshit crazy Loons and broken clocks are right sometimes. Funny, 10 years ago I got called crazy for calling Ron Paul Batshit Crazy!

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch (@lc-nicki-the-resident-misanthropic-bitch)
December 22, 2011 05:39

LC Old Dog says: LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #: Nicki, unless I read my Modern copy of the UCMJ and decisions by the Military Court of Appeals (Hey, I live in a Military Retirement city and I have friends); testimony by two Forensic Computer Scientists constitutes two witnesses under Military Law! Of course if they try to… Read more »

sleeper
sleeper (@sleeper)
December 22, 2011 06:08

irish19 says: I copied the link over at American Spectator since there are any number of Paulbots over there who seem to think that anyone who disagrees with the good doctor is an Israel-first type. Most Ron Paul supporters I have encountered see him is the only candidate who will support legalization of marijuana (or pot, for those in Rio… Read more »

NR Pax
NR Pax (@nr-pax)
December 22, 2011 06:27

Stick to the crime, not the characterization. His sexual orientation is not on trial here, it is his actions of disclosing national secrets. His actions were not motivated by his being gay, or perhaps dressing up like Mrs Doubtfire. Throwing that out is really immaterial to the story. DJ, I agree with you on this. However, Manning’s defense team has… Read more »

Southern Libertarian
Southern Libertarian (@southern-libertarian)
December 22, 2011 06:51

Emperor Misha I says: I could still see him in Treasury for instance, easily, he’s just not ever going to be president on my watch. I could very easily see him as Federal Reserve Chairman. I don’t think there is anyone in D.C. who is better suited to reign in the Federal Reserve. But as for President, he lost my… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch (@lc-nicki-the-resident-misanthropic-bitch)
December 22, 2011 08:52

NR Pax @ #: However, Manning’s defense team has been using the argument that his sexuality and gender issues are behind his emotional instability and were part of the reason he stole all of that information. But I think that the prosecution is going to treat that as a side note and focus instead on the fact that he committed… Read more »

NR Pax
NR Pax (@nr-pax)
December 22, 2011 09:14

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: The “poor kid was confused and conflicted about his sexuality and really upset, because the Army didn’t treat him like a mommy and daddy” defense is ridiculous. As for the questions of “Why didn’t they drum him out sooner?” (Which is a valid question), I have a couple of ideas. 1. I know… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch (@lc-nicki-the-resident-misanthropic-bitch)
December 22, 2011 10:06

NR Pax @ #: And the other thing is, he may not have sought help of any kind. There are plenty of troubled people who just go about their daily business and brood in private. I don’t know this guy’s record, but it may have very well been that he didn’t have any disciplinary or mental issues that have been… Read more »

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. (@lc-rurik)
December 22, 2011 10:35

To SL, Nicki and others, Yes, there were many of us who were mesmerized by the myth for a bit. Like you, I was attracted by the talk of Constitutionalism Restored. For me there were two mineshaft canaries, the ch;icanery by which he managed to get earmarks for his district while publicly pretending to be against them, and the fanaticism… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch (@lc-nicki-the-resident-misanthropic-bitch)
December 22, 2011 10:47

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

by which he managed to get earmarks for his district while publicly pretending to be against them, and the fanaticism of of his supporters – particularly when I encountered them openly consorting with Code Pink and International ANSWER in street demonstrations.

Heh. Read my Ron Paul latest. Absolutely agree with you. 100 percent.

LC LittleRott84 Imperial DJ
LC LittleRott84 Imperial DJ (@lc-littlerott84)
December 22, 2011 11:57

That does it. I never liked Ron Paul, but I have now officially washed my hands of him. Any sane human being I hope will now do the same thing.

LC Old Dog
LC Old Dog (@jmiked)
December 22, 2011 14:56

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #: I do believe (don’t know it for sure but my Buddy the JAG believes it also) that they are going to try to tie him to “Aid and Comfort” via the Intell photos and Videos of Air Strike data. They are going to assert that this was to assist the various insurgent… Read more »

Mark12A
Mark12A (@mark12a)
December 22, 2011 15:28

It really doesn’t matter if the little douchebag committed treason or ONLY espionage. He needs to be stood in front of a wall and shot. Ron Paul needs to be relegated to the ashheap of history. In fairness, he has made a lot of stupid statements over the years. It’s my considered opinion that the Ronulans are just the flip… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch (@lc-nicki-the-resident-misanthropic-bitch)
December 22, 2011 19:17

LC Old Dog @ #:
Honestly, I hope they do it. And I hope it’s successful, but I have my doubts. I think they’ll have a hard time proving mens rea. But I’m not an attorney, so I’ll just keep my fingers crossed.

LC Proud Infidel
LC Proud Infidel (@lc-proud-infidel)
December 23, 2011 10:31

The dhimmicrats had Lyndon LaRouche, the GOP has Ron Paul.