DrewM is pissed off at Herman Cain for stating that the Constitution allows for local communities to ban the building of mosques in their area, claiming instead that the Constitution prohibits such banning.

They are, of course, both wrong. Herman even goes as far as to suggest that:

“Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. Islam combines church and state,” Cain argued, as host Chris Wallace maintained that separation of church and state permits mosques to exist in any community.

Bzzzt… You just lost all of your points there by bringing up the mythical Constitutional “separation of church and state.” It’s not there. Nowhere to be found. Spend all night, every night going over it with a magnifying glass and you will find no such thing in there. What you will find is that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” and a bit about prohibiting religious testing for public office. Period. End. Stop.

DrewM, on the other hand, goes off the rails by saying:

But the wholesale banning of them because people don’t like Muslims or what they believe in? I’ll stand with the Constitution.

Bzzzt… again. The First Amendment at no point states that local communities can’t ban the erection of mosques, synagogues, cathedrals or churches any more than it keeps them from banning the building of liquor stores, strip clubs or drag racing circuits where they live.

You might wish that it did, but that doesn’t make it so.

You’ve got to fuel your outrage with the Constitution you have, rather than with the Constitution that you wish that you had, to paraphrase Don Rumsfeld.

So much for the Constitutional aspect. There is another one, of course: Are the citizens of Murfreesboro a bunch of bigoted asshats for not wanting a mosque next door? Perhaps. That’s a personal judgment. His Imperial Majesty, having grown up where you could find a pub on every street corner, has long been annoyed at the twits making it next to impossible to find a watering hole where he lives now for those times when you feel a need to wet the whistle a bit. But when you’re outnumbered regarding one of your preferences you’re outnumbered. Work to change it, try to convince the rest of your community that building a pub isn’t the same as inviting the Whore of Babylon in for tea and biscuits, something like that. Howling and screeching isn’t going to accomplish much.

Personally, given the history of Not All Muslims™ and their Religion of Peace™ as preached in their places of worship we can’t say that we’re all that offended by the Murfreesborians taking offense, any more than we’d be offended by any other community putting their feet down to stop Aryan Nation for building a temple to Adolf Hitler and Nazism right next door to them.

But that’s just us, your mileage may vary, as is your G-d given right.

We can argue about that if anybody feels like it, as we are sure that there are valid points to be made for either side.

Bottom line is the Constitution has nothing to do with this cat fight, so kindly leave that poor abused document alone.

Thatisall.

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Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
Member
July 17, 2011 19:29

Reading comprehension is at a premium in this country these days. The VERY FIRST WORD is CONGRESS…
Ain’t rocket science.

Ooo. and I got me another firstie! 😎

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
Member
July 17, 2011 19:46

Not being a lawyer, as far as I can see this is a matter of zoning laws and property rights. Nothing more, nothing less.

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator
Member
July 17, 2011 19:56

Sounds like I need to open a speak-easy near the Emperors digs!

LC Draco
Member
July 17, 2011 20:09

It just amazes me (well, not really) that most people have NO FUCKING CLUE about the separation of church and state. Every time any religion is involved, in any argument, that issue pops up. The main issue that most people do not understand is that in Islam…Religion IS the State!!! I have had this discussion with several senior officers at… Read more »

Library Czar
Library Czar
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July 17, 2011 21:50

Maricopa County here refuses to issue new ETOH licenses, you have to purchase them from existing license holders. The minimum amount you can find one is 250K and it goes up from there. So no corner pub here.

Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan
Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan
Member
July 17, 2011 23:46

Not being a lawyer, as far as I can see this is a matter of zoning laws and property rights. Nothing more, nothing less. Yep, and as such it is beneath the office of POTUS to get involved with. It is a local matter and should be taken care of locally. As a Presidential candidate, Cain sticking his nose into… Read more »

SoCalOilMan, K.o.E.
Member
July 18, 2011 00:29

Maricopa County here refuses to issue new ETOH licenses With the way I’ve seen Phoenix grow since ’78, I’m totally amazed that they haven’t adjusted the numbers for the population. Let’s see it use to be, what…about a liquor store for every 150 residents. (you just couldn’t be open on Sunday before noon, which didn’t matter, cause you were in… Read more »

SoCalOilMan, K.o.E.
Member
July 18, 2011 00:33

I was initially excited about a Cain Campaign, but every time the guy opens his mouth I find I can’t support him I was also. Now I look at him as that candidate that will keep bringing up the topics no one else will willingly touch and make them take a stand on one side or the other. If they… Read more »

Jerry
Jerry
Member
July 18, 2011 07:02

I read that thread last night and the comments passed well over the 1100 mark by the time I finally hit the sack. A few of the regulars were really going after each others throat in very short order, with none of them giving an inch. A hot topic for sure. This issue will not go away and will need… Read more »

LC Jackboot IC/A
Admin
July 18, 2011 12:42

HELL yeah!
I’ll be there for opening night!
And every night thereafter, come to think of it.

I call the right seat on the way out and the left returning. Good thing the Olden Chariot™ had GPS tracking from the Banya to the Palace. IYKWIM……

…sigh….WAIT…come to think of it, I can now be the Imperial Designated Driver™

:em01:

Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
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July 18, 2011 13:27

I call the right seat on the way out and the left returning.

Just make sure you have your back to the wall…

Just sayin’… :em05:

irish19
irish19
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July 18, 2011 16:56

inviting the Whore of Babylon in for tea and biscuits,

I always think more along the lines of a bit of crumpet when I think along those lines.