Victim Disarmament Zone; The Law Be Damned

The State of Oregon is somewhat unique among most “shall issue” states. Their statute specifically states that concealed handgun permit holders may carry on a university campus. ORS 166.370 states;

166.370 Possession of firearm or dangerous weapon in public building or court facility; exceptions; discharging firearm at school. (1) Any person who intentionally possesses a loaded or unloaded firearm or any other instrument used as a dangerous weapon, while in or on a public building, shall upon conviction be guilty of a Class C felony.

Simple enough. But as with pretty much every other statute ever written, definitions are important.

166.360 Definitions for ORS 166.360 to 166.380. As used in ORS 166.360 to 166.380, unless the context requires otherwise:…

(4) “Public building” means a hospital, a capitol building, a public or private school, as defined in ORS 339.315, a college or university,…

So, you can’t carry on campus, right? Well, just like every statute has definitions, they have exceptions too.

(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:…

(d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 to carry a concealed handgun. (emph. mine )

Now even a “functionally illiterate” redneck like myself can understand that.  So why am I boring you with this elementary lesson on Oregon law? Because even as simple as that law is, it appears it is a bit beyond the comprehension of the intellectual elite of Oregon academia. A Marine Corps veteran, and Oregon CHL holder, was arrested on the campus of Western Oregon University for “illegal possession” of a derringer.


LEBANON — Jeffrey Maxwell, a 30-year-old student at Western Oregon University who served in the Marines, always carries a loaded two-bullet derringer in his front pocket that’s so small it looks like it could be his keys.

He has a license to carry and conceal the gun, but he never takes it out or talks about it on campus because he doesn’t want to scare anyone. It’s only for protection, he says.

State law allows him to carry his gun in most public places. But the university says he can’t carry it on campus — license or no license. Maxwell’s case might finally settle the long-standing conflict in court for all seven public universities in Oregon.

Not much to settle. The law allows CHL holders to carry in public places, period. And not by oversight or exclusion, but through specific inclusion of an exemption. There can be no misinterpreting the wording. So any university administration which prohibits a CHL holder from carrying his firearm is not only infringing his civil liberty, they are breaking the law.

When Maxwell told officers he had the gun and knife in his pocket and an unloaded rifle in his truck, he was handcuffed and taken to the Monmouth Police station, where he was cited for possessing a firearm in a public building.

The Polk County district attorney later determined he had not committed a crime and didn’t charge him.

First off, sounds like the local PD cut him some slack by citing him rather than actually booking him into jail. Secondly, and more importantly, the DA knew the law and didn’t charge him. Remember pups, an arrest is one thing, having charges pressed is another. The university however feels it is above the law and knows better.

But a student judicial panel suspended him through the end of the spring term under a student conduct rule banning the possession or use of firearms and other weapons.

Yep, student handbooks carry more weight than state statute in these deluded little punks’ brainwashed skulls full of mush.

To re-enroll, Maxwell has been ordered to get a mental health evaluation and write a minimum 10-page paper on following the law, accepting responsibility for his actions and “recognizing the impact possession of weapons on college campuses has on others.”

A Marine Corps veteran must have a psyche eval for daring to exercise his God given civil right? Can you say “fuck you and the syphillic horse you ass raped on the way in” boys and girls? I knew you could.  As to following the law, it’s the snot nosed “student judicial panel” that is sorely in need of a basic course in the law and reading comprehension. I heartily suggest that they also ponder the “impact possessing weapons” has on the soft sensibilities of others. As in there being at least one non-victim available to save their worthless cowardly assess the next time a psyCho decides to pull a Virginia Tech. It is hard to argue with reasoned arguments and discourse such as this though;

Senior Alecia St. Germaine said her first reaction to the situation was fear.

“My stomach started turning and I wanted to leave,” she said.

In addition, knowing an armed person could just walk onto campus makes her feel a little uneasy.

Rest easy my sheltered little darling. Your university has ensured that you are completely safe helpless. No evil guns are allowed. Your delicate lil tummy can stop it’s churning, the big bad Marine and his scary gun (which you had no idea he had until the farce of a wrongful arrest) aren’t allowed here. They made him go away and now he has to go to sensitivity training so he won’t ever skeer you ever, ever again.

Maxwell had a valid permit for possessing concealed weapons; however, the permit does not allow people to bring weapons inside public schools, private schools or courthouses.

“Even if you have a concealed weapons permit, you can’t have a weapon concealed on your person if you’re going to be in any buildings on campus.” Dorn (Sergeant Kim Dorn with Monmouth PD) said. “In this instance, he just didn’t know.”

No Sgt. Dorn, in this instance you “just didn’t know” the law, as evidenced when the DA tossed your arrest. I could expect that from a rookie, but not from a sergeant who should at least have a working knowledge of a pretty important piece of legislation.

Hutchinson said Western firearm and munition policies are administrative and correspond to Oregon University System policies, which are not necessarily the same as state regulations.

“We go one step further and say, look, no weapons are allowed on campus, period,”Hutchinson said.

Regardless of what the law says; right, you arrogant piece of filth? This episode is a prime example of the arrogance epidemic in the liberal view of firearms. They don’t care what the law, or the Constitution, says. They are going to impose their will. If you don’t like it, or dare to have the temerity to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, they will see to it that you are ostracized (as in Mr. Maxwell’s suspension) unless you grovel and beg their forgiveness through a ten page written mea culpa showing you have been enlightened and “accept responsibility for your actions” and the impact on the “feeewings” of others.

In true Marine fashion, Mr. Maxwell is not bing kowtowed and has gone on the offensive. So is Oregon Firearms Federation, who are just a tad livid over the situation.

The WOU student who was falsely arrested and charged with possession of a firearm in a public building, had all his criminal charges dropped by the Polk County DA tonight.

The DA admitted no wrongdoing on his part, or on the part of the police who arrested Jeff Maxwell for a “crime” that does not exist.

In a statement released to OFF’s attorney, the DA said “I believe the Monmouth Police Department issued the citation in good faith and that there was an arguable violation. However, a careful reading of the statute and the facts led me to conclude the charge was not in the best interest of justice.”

“Not in the best interest of justice.”  There was NO CRIME. But it gets worse. Much worse.

The college still got to “try” Jeff Maxwell. And they did tonight.

The tribunal that tried Marine veteran Jeffery Maxwell laughed after suspending him from Western Oregon University and sentencing him to:

a “psychological evaluation stating he is not a threat to himself of others” and

a mandatory “ten page paper” ” with references, “citing, but not limited to:

1) the importance of following the law,even through civil disobedience.

2) the importance of accepting responsibility for one’s actions

3) and recognizing the impact possession of weapons on college campuses has on others.”

So, Maxwell has been told his lawful possession of a firearm on campus is evidence of mental illness and he must “confess his sins.”  Welcome to the new Politburo. Maxwell may as well been judged by the Hitler youth for his “thought crimes.”

Jeffery Maxwell’s “jury” were four unnamed students and one staff member of WOU.

The “prosecutor” was Patrick Moser moserp@wou.edu “Acting Coordinator of Campus Judicial Affairs”

Maxwell asked to have his “trial” open to the public, which is his right, but was denied.

The tribunal was told repeatedly that they lacked the authority to impose a rule dealing with firearms. But the children who sat in judgment of the veteran were not interested in the law or the facts. They were only interested in attacking and embarrassing a man who had committed no crime but had chosen to exercise his right to protect himself and others.

The “trial” was a sham. No one present even seemed to know what the “charge” was. When confronted by the fact that the school has no authority to make rules about firearms, they said that was “not relevant.” Then they said they were not charging Maxwell with having a firearm. When asked what they WERE charging him with, they seemed to not know. They then said they were charging him with having a “knife and a rifle in his car.”   When told they had no authority to make rules about guns in his car, they said THAT was not “relevant.”

The children who sat on Maxwell’s “jury”  and their staff advisors seemed to have no idea what they were actually charging Maxwell with. But they had no problem sentencing him. Gun owners, and all Americans should be outraged.

OFF is committed to continuing Maxwell’s defense. We are shocked and disgusted by the treatment he received by the staff and the students of WOU,

We ask your continued support of our legal battle for Jeff Maxwell. We promised Jeff what he promised the men he served with. We will not leave him behind.

OFF and Mr. Maxwell have been joined by some Oregon representatives in their legal fight against the university systems blatant assault on the lawful exercise of the 2nd Amendment. Just like the Heller case, the law is on the side of the lawful firearm owner. This case may be the cassus belli necessary to finally establish that a persons rights do not end when a Politburo of academicians say they do. University beaurocrats can not, and will not, override the law of the land. It is a fight long in coming, and one worth fighting.

(Massive h/t and much thanks to LC Mike M for the heads up and extensive background, as well as the link to the Oregon statutes.)

138 comments

  1. 1

    the importance of accepting responsibility for one’s actions

    Perhaps some quoting of Heinlein on the difference between a citizen and civilian might be in order?

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    OMG! He’s a former jarhead. A. UNITED. STATES. MARINE! If ANYONE would know what to do with a gun, HE would.

    I’d rather go into battle with a Marine at my side (or in front, with a firearm) than any other individual on the planet. Psych eval. and a 10-page (minimum, with references) paper. That’s rubbish.

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    LC Wes, Imperial Mohel says:

    The truly scary part of the tale is how this so-called “jury” laughed at openly ignoring the law and their own complete lack of legal standing in imposing sanctions on the defendant.

    No doubt those four “unnamed” students and the faculty member who sat in judgement of Mr. Maxwell will end up as part of Obama’s Department of Justice.

  5. 5
    Interpretive Clog Dancer says:

    …..exercise his God given civil right?

    hahahaha

    Bull shit.

    Men made the rules. Men can change the rules. You want to fight it, that’s fine. But god doesn’t have jack to do with it.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    That’s what guns are for, if needed. And somewhere I read we were created with free will, for good or evil.
    You’ve made your choice, I’ve made mine. I am willing to die for my views…are you?

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    L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter says:

    Sounds to me the little commissars need to learn more about 1983 and less about 1984.

    I was thinking maybe he should have a good talking to about his hands, as well. I bet he could rip their heads off and shit down their necks before they get a chance to say “guilty”.

    But a derringer? What’s this world coming to when our Marines can only afford a derringer? We need to take up a collection and get him some droopy drawers and a overcoat to conceal a real gun.

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    clog humper, you really are totally ignorant of our Founders philosophies aren’t you? Have you ever even read the Declaration, the Constitution, or the Federalist Papers? Wanna blow yer mind, read Alexis De Tocqueville.

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    But a derringer? What’s this world coming to when our Marines can only afford a derringer?

    Yeah Mope, the derringer has a rich history of providing service to prostitutes in the old west. Squids should carry it, not Marines. (That was for you Thug.) :em93:

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    Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:

    …..exercise his God given civil right?
    hahahaha
    Bull shit.
    Men made the rules. Men can change the rules. You want to fight it, that’s fine. But god doesn’t have jack to do with it.

    ICD, I’m going to say this once. Then like most of the little whiny fucks like you in the world, you are dead to me. You no longer exist.

    I watch your posts, and it’s telling that after a period of time you suddenly pop up, hurl some shit at the fan and try to provoke people on this blog and hijack yet another thread.

    Lest you think you have succeeded in that endeavor by my reply, let me quickly disabuse of that notion; you have not. I reply to your post much as I would scrape dog shit from my shoe after stepping in a steaming pile of it. It’s an distasteful chore, but one that must be done.

    I would most likely conclude that you posts appear here only when, generally, after a period of sitting in whatever institution of “higher learning” you attend being indoctrinated into Marxist theory for a set period of time.
    Perhaps a few tokes on whatever pipe you so chose to “expand” your horizons with, or after a night of swilling .25 cent drafts at the local college watering hole
    shit hole bar.

    After that period of time passes, you suddenly pick up your battle axe, and charge off into the fray, armed with “knowledge” and chemically induced talking points you dreamed up and those drummed into you by your communist addled professors the days prior. You are going to show us “conservatives” just how brilliant you are.

    You stumble into the empire here, drunk on your own misconceived “intellect” and breathlessly start pointing out inanities like “God doesn’t have jack to do with it”.

    Two simple words, Prove it.

    Fact of the matter is, whether God has anything to do with it or not, you and people like you known as “liberals” fail each and every time.

    You are but a leech, you always have been, always will be, and you contribute nothing to the exploration of ideas, debate, or meaningful discourse. Like the analogy above you are but dog shit, fouling the soles of good peoples shoes.

    You’re tolerated here only because of people far better than you being willing to put up with your idiotic ramblings, and verbal vomiting.

    People like you have learning disabilities, much like a bucket cannot hold the entire Atlantic, little brains like yours can’t hold knowledge of anything beyond your woefully short & narrow minded outlooks. Once your “brain bucket” becomes full of your so called “higher education” it simply over flows, and you appear here dumping raw sewage into the Imperial ponds.

    You might in your own lofty opinion of yourself believe you are “educated” and “knowledgeable”, alas this becomes your Achilles heel, and like a drunk thinking everyone laughs at your off color jokes, & self proclaimed witty comments, they laugh not with you ….but in pity…at you.

    You may sit there in sneering contempt of those Bible thumping morons, but when you next lay your chemically polluted sewer of a mind down I want you to think one thought……”I’m nothing”, because that’s what you are. Nothing.

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    LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. sez:

    But a derringer? What’s this world coming to when our Marines can only afford a derringer?
    Yeah Mope, the derringer has a rich history of providing service to prostitutes in the old west. Squids should carry it, not Marines. (That was for you Thug.)

    Hey now…easy on the swabbies eh?!

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    LC Fmwoods01 says:

    Cloggy doesn’t have enough life experience to have had come face to face with divine intervention. Nothing in Cloggy’s little world has bent his knee in search of the realization that destiny or fate is guided by divine providence. Our founding fathers and many here have.

    D’

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    Darth Bacon says:

    Intestinal Clog Diner clearly hasn’t the faintest idea of the purpose behind our Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights.

    Listen up, dingleberry, while I take your widdle hand and walk you through the most elementary civics you obviously never learned- and then you can do as I’ve told you, and go punch yourself in the face:

    Man is endowed with certain natural, inalienable rights- by nature, by a creator, or what have you.

    Those rights have existed- and here’s the important part, twinkletoes– prior to, and independent of ANY form of government. So, contrary to your glibly-expressed UTTER misapprehension, ‘men’ didn’t ‘make’ some rules granting us a right to physical self-determination. Consequently, they can’t ‘change them’ without infringing on those natural rights.

    You FAIL.

    Now shut up.

  14. 14

    Baco, that was as a concise and easy to understand explanation as I think could be written. Shame clog humper will just scratch his head and go; “He use big words, me no like big words like ‘utter’ and ‘glibly’. Me no like mean ol’ man.”

  15. 15

    You’re tolerated here only because of people far better than you being willing to put up with your idiotic ramblings, and verbal vomiting.

    And that’s subject to change.

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    Interpretive Clog Dancer says:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder @:

    Heh.

    So comical. Let me disabuse you of your notions; I don’t care what you think of me. I care what you think about what I say. I’m approaching this as a purely intellectual exercise. It’s an argument on issues, not on personal history. If you’ve really been paying attention, then you’ll note that the closest I ever came to insulting someone was when I called Terrible Troy a sociopath. Of course, I’m assuming that, being morally superior and whatnot, you’ll hold to your word and ignore this and all future posts that spew forth from mine brain bucket, but I thought you might read this last one, so here is my official rebuttal; You’re full of shit.

    And I will defend my weed smoking to the death.

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    …..exercise his God given civil right?

    hahahaha

    Bull shit.

    Men made the rules. Men can change the rules. You want to fight it, that’s fine. But god doesn’t have jack to do with it.

    You have stated before that you are a student. Well, student, use the library at you institution of higher indoctrination, and spend some time looking up the source referenced above, then did a little deeper and lay your hands on a copy of “The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States”, by Benjamin Franklin Morris. It was published originally during the Civil War, and the second printing was struck in 2007. It is an excellent primary source for looking into the beliefs of those “famous old dead guys who authored and signed all of those old documents and stuff” that your mouth-breathing peers and professors keep trying to tell us are “living breathing documents”. Judging from your ignorant remark, I’m sure you’ll be surprised, and equally sure that you won’t like what you’ll read, but I really couldn’t give a tinkers damn. If you want to wallow in your ignorance, then save the idiotic and unsubstaniated remarks like the one above for your class, where you fellow students will undoubted clap like trained seals, and your professors will say “Good Parrot” and give you a cracker. Here, we know better, and will point and laugh as you streak from point to point, completely unaware that you are clad in the Emperor’s New Clothes. Now get you ass to the library and train you mind intstead of your mouth.

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    I’m approaching this as a purely intellectual exercise. It’s an argument on issues, not on personal history.

    If you are approaching it as an intellectual exercise, then you should actually use your intellect. It isn’t an argument on the issues, it is a matter of fact; of the real shared history of this nation. I realize that we are asking you to look at sources that they don’t really teach in school any more, but that doesn’t make them any less valid than if they still were taught. Ignoring facts that don’t fit your myopic world view makes you intellectually dishonest and lilliputian.

    As for being morally superior, that is a load of horseshit that you feed yourself to avoid the challenge to improve yourself. I, and everyone else here have no claim on moral superiority. Moral awareness, on the other hand, is something that many of my fellow citizens possess, and if you had the slightest clue what you were talking about, you might realize that the intensity of the self-examination and the weight of conviction that moral awareness brings requires far more than the “fuckitall” attitude that you claim to profess.

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    Interpretive Clog Dancer says:

    Darth Bacon sez:

    Man is endowed with certain natural, inalienable rights- by nature, by a creator, or what have you.

    Don’t be ridiculous Bacon. There is nothing to endow us. “Nature” is nothing but blind chance. And it goes without saying that I won’t even consider the idea of a god. There is nothing in this world but what we make of it, and what we’ve made are these rules that most people hold sacred. You think that everyone has always believed murder was wrong? Its been instilled in us through generations of Western culture. And don’t tell me that this is some brainwash bullshit that I picked up in college, because every time that you say something to the effect of “Islam is a Death Cult” you’re admitting that they have a different outlook on life and who has a right to it because of the religious culture that they grew up with. The weight of history is what keeps us along your so-called inalienable rights. Do not take me out of context and assume that I want to get rid of all of them. I do not claim that there is anything wrong with having these rights, and I support them, but I do claim that there is nothing about them that is unalienable.

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    Interpretive Clog Dancer says:

    Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere sez:

    “The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States”, by Benjamin Franklin Morris. It was published originally during the Civil War, and the second printing was struck in 2007. It is an excellent primary source

    It seems like it would be a secondary source, given it would have been published roughly 3/4 of a century after the fact. But more then that, explain to me how a book on the “Christian Live and Character of the Civil Institutions” of a supposedly secular nation would be a good, unbiased book to read?Blackiswhite, I

    As for being morally superior, that is a load of horseshit that you feed yourself to avoid the challenge to improve yourself.

    Fortunately, I was being sarcastic. But yeah, after the “Nuke them all” thread and the responses that advocated killing everyone from Jordan to Pakistan, I can’t help but feel at little better about myself and how I think.

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    LC Spare Parts says:

    (Fill in rank here), Maxwell should sue the U and the 4 trids individually for violating his rights, defamation of character, refund in full of all tuition and fees for the term plus expenses for transfer to an institution of real higher learning controlled by Real Americans. There’s one in central Michigan.

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    of a supposedly secular nation would be a good, unbiased book to read

    Whoa, Sparky! Care to explain just how you arrived at the conclusion that the United States are a secular nation?

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    Interpretive Clog Dancer says:

    Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere @:

    Excuse me, I meant that it was ruled by a secular power.

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    WayneB says:

    Isn’t there something that these jerks can be arrested and charged with? I don’t know what it would be in the case of the “tribunal”, but one would think that punishing someone for NOT breaking the law should be prosecutable somehow.

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    Isn’t there something that these jerks can be arrested and charged with? I don’t know what it would be in the case of the “tribunal”, but one would think that punishing someone for NOT breaking the law should be prosecutable somehow.

    Perhaps a creative attorney could fashion a civil rights lawsuit out of it. I’m not familiar with Oregon statutes, but many states have laws that are state equalent of federal civil rights laws that make it fairly expen$ive for the offenders personally who, when acting under the color of law, overstep the bounds of the authority to violate an individual’s civil rights.

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    Excuse me, I meant that it was ruled by a secular power.

    Because when you don’t understand the reasons for the law, it is far easier to think that your whims and desires create good cause to change them.

    You should be careful what you wish for, grasshopper. In time you may come to understand exactly how young and inexperienced you sound.

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    Mike M says:

    Holy Shi’ite. This is an atrocity waiting to happen. According to this Wiki entry, Oregon is the only state that does not have armed campus police. In fact, they can’t even call themselves “Police”; they’re Special Campus Security Officers and they’re expressly forbidden from packing. So, if some crazed bastard starts shooting the place up, the only one in the vicinity with a gun will be the crazed bastard.

    Except at Western Oregon University, that is. Unless I miss my guess – and I don’t think I am – the Oregon State Police Academy is located on campus there, so it looks like their gun free zone policy is being violated every day. That student council needs to rectify that and eject those jackbooted thugs right now. And then make ’em all write a paper confessing their sins.

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    Cannon Fodder says:

    You guys should just take Interpretive Clog Dancer over to the coliseum and fix him up properly!

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    LC Gonzman says:

    Cannon Fodder sez:

    You guys should just take Interpretive Clog Dancer over to the coliseum and fix him up properly!

    Waste of time and effort.

    In a perfect world, I’d take all the Gun Fearing Wussies and mandate that they post signs – visible at a hundred feet – on their cars, homes and persons declaring that they are a gun-free zone. In fact, I have a 3 sets of 2 signs, a bumper sticker, a T-shirt, and a button and have offered these to GFWs for over 20 years, to put their money where their mouth is. Almost had one take me up on it, until I pointed out that I’d be placing them myself, and the terms were that they stayed up for a year and a day or he was a pussy.

    Of course, in a truly perfect world, the revolution would come, and ICD and its ilk would be *ahem* collateral damage. Accidentally, of course.

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    L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter says:

    BiW @25-

    Perhaps a creative attorney could fashion a civil rights lawsuit out of it. … but many states have laws that are state equivalent of federal civil rights laws that make it fairly expen$ive for the offenders personally who, when acting under the color of law, overstep the bounds of the authority to violate an individual’s civil rights.

    As I noted @7 supra, a 1983 lawsuit naming these cretins for acting under color of law would give them a real edumakashun. As you know, a Right cannot be converted into a privilege. Forcing this Marine to abandon his Right is actionable, although it would end up in the Ninth Circus.

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    emily_nelson says:

    This injustice occurred because having a Marine as a fellow student caused their little brains to explode!

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    LC hilljohnny says:

    Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:

    You think that everyone has always believed murder was wrong?

    try a dictionary ICD murder is a wrongful killing. thats why we have different words for different things. most people do not think all killing is wrong, just unpleasant.

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    The LC formerly known as Ziske68 says:

    A little palate cleanser.

    Watching a goblin crumple just warms my heart.

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    You think that everyone has always believed murder was wrong?

    Civilized people do. Barbarians do not.

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    Cricket says:

    Lessee, Marines are known for their communication skills, so I would do the piece on the warped psyches of the student tribunal, their errant lack of knowledge, inability to deal with reality and comments on their upbringing, not to mention take my education dollar elsewhere.

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    LC ShadowFox says:

    This former devildog couldn’t even wait to finish reading the post before firing off a quick email to Ms. Moser. I’ve leave the cleanup duty here in the comments section to my fellow LCs as you are already doing a fine job.

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    Cricket says:

    ICD is making liberal noises. It was a man-made law, codified into statute that he could carry a concealed weapon in public places. Not only that, the US is not a secular nation, despite what Freedom From Religion.org says. You have the choice to be free from religion, but the relevance of the Founders was based on their study of nearly 2,000 years of history.

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    LC Fei Long says:

    a “psychological evaluation stating he is not a threat to himself of others” and

    a mandatory “ten page paper” ” with references, “citing, but not limited to:

    1) the importance of following the law,even through civil disobedience.

    2) the importance of accepting responsibility for one’s actions

    3) and recognizing the impact possession of weapons on college campuses has on others.”

    I hope he does it. Because we KNOW he is not a threat to himself or “others” [i.e. “other sheep”, not “other wolves”]. He knows the importance of following the law, to a tee. He accepts responsibility for his actions more than you dimwizzles, and he DAMN WELL knows his impact: fewer dead youngins.

    Senior Alecia St. Germaine said her first reaction to the situation was fear.

    “My stomach started turning and I wanted to leave,” she said.

    In addition, knowing an armed person could just walk onto campus makes her feel a little uneasy.

    If I ever walk onto your campus, you should probably start going WAH WAH WAH HE’S AN ASIAN THAT KNOWS KARATE OR SUMFIN HURRRRRRRRRRRR CHOP OFF HIS FISTS. Because that’s exactly equivalent to what you imply, Alecia. I wasn’t aware Western Oregon U. had a short bus, but hey. Whatever goes with your complementary servings of wah-burgers, fwench cries, and sob-marine sandwiches.

    Because I’ll have arms till they pry them out of my cold dead rotator cuffs, fatass.

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    I could see them getting away with Part-2 at someplace like (for instance) Hillsdale College, which is a completely private school that receives no money from government @ any level (your house, your rules).

    … Of course, Hillsdale is historically a very Conservative institution, with a firm understanding of rights under the Constitution – so it wouldn’t likely come up in the first place.

    Wayne:
    Isn’t there something that these jerks can be arrested and charged with? I don’t know what it would be in the case of the “tribunal”, but one would think that punishing someone for NOT breaking the law should be prosecutable somehow.

    BisW:
    Perhaps a creative attorney could fashion a civil rights lawsuit out of it. I’m not familiar with Oregon statutes, but many states have laws that are state equalent of federal civil rights laws that make it fairly expen$ive for the offenders personally who, when acting under the color of law, overstep the bounds of the authority to violate an individual’s civil rights.

    That’s where I was going – University receiving Gov’t funding infringes on Student’s rights under State, Federal & Consitutional Law.

    Seems pretty dead-bang to me.

    – MuscleDaddy

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    Ogrrre says:

    Interpretive Clog Dancer @:

    I’m approaching this as a purely intellectual exercise.

    I claim bullshit, Interminably Clogged Drain. In order to have an intellectual exercise, first you have to ahve an intellect. You have your indoctrinated opinions and will not even consider, much less listen to, any opposing opinion or position.
    Read the Heller decision … that is, if you were ever taught to read in what ever shithole you were supposedly educated. Darth Bacon was reiterating what the Supreme Court decided in Heller: those rights have existed prior to, and independent of ANY form of government.
    The founding fathers declared BEFORE there was any Constitution that “Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights …”, which included Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
    So, dipshit, what this means is that even the university system of the People’s Democratic Republic of Oregon may not alienate that right, no matter how queasy it makes some of the little pussies.

  41. 41

    Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:

    Men made the rules. Men can change the rules. You want to fight it, that’s fine. But god doesn’t have jack to do with it.

    Men can’t change the rules arbitrarily, however…although this new administration is sure hell-bent on doing so.

    And yeah, God does have jack to do with it. Like it or not, Christians believe that God puts people into office…not the voters. And, you may think this is a “secular” nation, but, to a man, every one of our founding fathers, I believe, recognized a Supreme Being, a Creator, a God, depending on his belief system.

  42. 42
    mindy1 says:

    What I do not get is why he is being arested to begin with-if he has a license, and as a Marine he has the experience, i do not get what the problem is-someone else said it, maybe they were scared of the Marines :em98:

  43. 43
    Contrarian Dutchman says:

    Out of curiosity, a few questions on the applicable law here.

    1. Are the university grounds public space or are they private property?
    2. If the latter, could the university expel a student citing it’s rights as the proprietor of the grounds to bar access to anyone, similar to how a homeowner can deny access to anyone? Or would the permit law override such authority?
    3. If the university is a public body, would it have authority to “legislate” on a mattr like this? It seems well outside of the scope of theie activities.
    4. If the university does have the authority to “legislate” this, how does that relate to state law, which is presumably of higher authority?

    If anybody could answer this I would be grateful.,

    a curious lawyer

  44. 44
    anonymous hourly worker says:

    Perhaps a few tokes on whatever pipe you so chose to “expand” your horizons with, or after a night of swilling .25 cent drafts at the local college watering hole
    shit hole bar.

    After that period of time passes, you suddenly pick up your battle axe, and charge off into the fray, armed with “knowledge” and chemically induced talking points you dreamed up and those drummed into you by your communist addled professors the days prior. You are going to show us “conservatives” just how brilliant you are.

    And the score goes to Cissnarl! Haven’t you ever noticed that ICD tends to show up here late at night (like after the campus bar closes) to rant?

    No blogging while wasted, ICD. Someday, like some of us, you’ll actually grow out of the weed smoking and take up full time beer drinking. At least when your connection goes on vacation or gets busted, you don’t spend two weeks jonesing. You can just trot down to the 7-11 and buy another six-pack.

  45. 45
    Princess Natasha, Uber-Whore of Zion says:

    Darth Bacon sez:

    Intestinal Clog Diner clearly hasn’t the faintest idea of the purpose behind our Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights.
    Listen up, dingleberry, while I take your widdle hand and walk you through the most elementary civics you obviously never learned- and then you can do as I’ve told you, and go punch yourself in the face:
    Man is endowed with certain natural, inalienable rights- by nature, by a creator, or what have you.
    Those rights have existed- and here’s the important part, twinkletoes- prior to, and independent of ANY form of government. So, contrary to your glibly-expressed UTTER misapprehension, ‘men’ didn’t ‘make’ some rules granting us a right to physical self-determination. Consequently, they can’t ‘change them’ without infringing on those natural rights.
    You FAIL.
    Now shut up.

    OK… Glad I read the comments before I said anything, because El Baconero™ in his infinite wisdom has expressed exactly what I was thinking and delivered a resounding smack to the chattering lefty. To elaborate a bit… MY right to MY life, and the right to protect it are MINE, by fucking NATURE, and NOBODY, not some liberal fuckmonkey, not some government empty suit can give it to me or take it away, unless they fucking kill me. You libtards can change your idiotic, artificial rules all you want, but good luck imposing them on the rest of the people.

  46. 46
    Mike M says:

    Contrarian Dutchman @ 43:

    Don’t know if this’ll answer all your questions, but here’s a 2004 letter written by a legislative counsel for the state of Oregon that talks about whether public schools, community colleges and universities in Oregon have the right to prohibit the legal possession of firearms on their property. Their opinion is that they don’t.

  47. 47
    The Lone Haranguer says:

    Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:

    Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere @:
    Excuse me, I meant that it was ruled by a secular power.

    It’s not ruled, either. :em96:

  48. 48
    Interpretive Clog Dancer says:

    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    And yeah, God does have jack to do with it. Like it or not, Christians believe that God puts people into office…not the voters.

    I am unhappy to hear this. It’s quite hard to believe.

    Ogrrre sez:

    those rights have existed prior to, and independent of ANY form of government.

    Bunk. Laws are different all over the world. There’s no reason why any law is more inherently natural or inalienable than any other. Laws against murder and the like were made in the interest of self-preservation.

    Cricket sez:

    You have the choice to be free from religion,

    And yet all I keep hearing is that this is a Christian nation and that we’re not secular and so on. So if I’m subject to Christian “inspired” laws and values, then how am I free from it as a religion?

  49. 49
    Draven32 says:

    The State of Oregon is somewhat unique among most “shall issue” states. Their statute specifically states that concealed handgun permit holders may carry on a university campus. ORS 166.370 states;

    Btw, this isn’t unique. It is the case in VA, but schools can choose to prohibit it… Like VA Tech does.

    IIRC, it is also the case in California.

  50. 50

    Damn, Clog Dancer! Those feet must be really tasty.

    Bunk. Laws are different all over the world. There’s no reason why any law is more inherently natural or inalienable than any other. Laws against murder and the like were made in the interest of self-preservation.

    Really? That sounds nothing like what I learned in my Philosophy of Law and History of Law courses. Of course, it is also contrary to most of the governing documents and compacts which predate the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as well. Of course, if you want to go on denying history and fact, you can always rely on the empiracal evidence that demonstrates a history of people risking EVERYTHING to come here and live under our system of law. The denial by man of natural and inalienable rights is a direct cause, and the fact that such rights exist unfettered here is why the constant immgration from all the cesspools of the world to our verdant shores.

    And yet all I keep hearing is that this is a Christian nation and that we’re not secular and so on. So if I’m subject to Christian “inspired” laws and values, then how am I free from it as a religion?

    Undoubtely, you would have found life in the nation’s early years simply intolerable. However, you are free to cast of the oppressive chains of this country’s freedom and exchange them for real oppression anywhere in the world. With fewer fools attempting to change the blessing of liberty that so many of us were born into or set ourselves subject to, we would be free to enjoy those blessings and continue to be the shining city on the hill that you refuse to acknowledge and fail to understand.

    Can I get you some salt? Maybe you would prefer some silverware? Napkin, perhaps?

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