When You Eliminate The Impossible; Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be Taken Seriously.

This follows the train of discussion from the comments on my last post. Follow the evidence, wherever it may lead, no matter how uncomfortable the final conclusion makes you.
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It is true that I am a blog slut. I write or comment at several blogs, and the discussions from one, influence what happens at another. Over at BELMONT CLUB we were discussing the insane situation we have politically; and trying to come to a conclusion as to what the future holds. I found myself answering several different questions, and stringing points together. If you don’t mind, I will bring the string for the LC’s to ponder. Items presented thusly are quotes from those with whom I was engaged in discussion.

At this time, it’s hard to predict what will really happen next fall in the polling booths. And that is frankly the only poll that really matters. [ This was part of a discussion where it was implied that things would be reclaimed in November.]

Truer words rarely spoken. However, we are dealing with people for whom it has been shown that the rule of law means absolutely nothing. Keep in mind that registration fraud is a massive Democrat funded [see ACORN] enterprise, and presumably vote fraud because otherwise why create all those false registrations [150,000 known false registrations accepted by the Democrat Secretary of State in Ohio in 2008 alone]? One has to wonder at what point the legitimacy of the vote count comes into question.

Having spent a fair amount of my career trying to figure out what was the truth behind the actions of various felons, witnesses, and victims [everybody lies sometimes]; I have learned that the first thing to look out for is when people suddenly start acting out of character. People are creatures of routine. They do not change those routines unless compelled to, or unless they believe that conditions have changed and a change is to their personal benefit.

I have been an observer [and activist] in politics since the 1960 election. I won’t reveal my age, but I started getting involved in politics young. Observing politicians gives a certain insight into their motivations. One of the prime motivations of politicians is self-preservation in office.

They do not normally go out of their way to take a stand on anything for fear of angering blocs of voters. They will straddle any issue, talk out of four sides of their mouths [double talk on both sides], and watch polling religiously twisting in the breeze of public opinion. What do you call a politician who has consistent principles and who stands on them? Either a myth, or out of work.

Fear of repercussions at the polls over-rides all. While they may have contempt for us [and most politicians do], they do their best to conceal it behind a smile and fake concern.

Politicians acting out of character indicates a change in the rules, whether we know it or not.

This regime has upset me almost from the beginning. It began to cause grave concern when the Town Hall movement began. What did we see?

Democrats, Democrat party officials, and the government controlled media chose to deliberately insult and attack citizens who accepted what was in fact the invitations of the Congress-Critters to attend Town Hall meetings, and who dared to ask real questions and insist on answers. This was followed by the White House insisting that the Left “push back” against those citizens.

Shortly thereafter Democrat Congress-Critters started having ACORN and SEIU security forces at these events. Citizens were threatened, blocked out, and eventually physically assaulted. The assailants, it seems, have judicial immunity.

Here is where things really got out of character. If you were a member of the political elite who still had to face the voters, this turn of events would terrify you. You would be screaming bloody murder about how you were not responsible for any of it, and how you were not going to put up with thugs attacking your constituents.

Anybody hear anything like that? I sure did not, and in fact what transpired was that the Democrats circled the wagons and increased their insults and attacks.

By the way, this is not to praise the Republicans. If they had half a lick of sense, concern for the country, or even for their own skins; the Republicans would be screaming like ruptured Bann Sidh about the conduct of the Democrats as a corollary to their attacks on the substance of both Health Care Nationalization and Cap and Tax. Once again, only the sound of the chirping of crickets. Another anomaly. Are they stupid, cowards, or do they know something we don’t?

Following this, there was the 9/12 march on Washington. While the media and the White House tried to claim that it was only a few thousand, but old aerial photos published in the Washington Post of the Inauguration, and a contemporary one taken 9/12 showed that the 9/12 demonstration filled more of the Mall, plus blocks on each side. And there were a similar number at local demonstrations around the country. It was somewhere on the order of between 1 and 2 million in DC, plus local events. The largest political demonstration in the history of the country, with participation by as many people as were in the country at the time of the Declaration of Independence, was deliberately ignored by the political elites.

Despite the huge hostile reaction, despite polling showing that Health Care Nationalization is NOT wanted by the population, they press ahead. They take the votes on weekends in a closed Capitol building. In the days leading up to the votes, they cut off phone communications with their offices. In Colorado, Senator Bennett literally had the telephone line to his Colorado Springs office disconnected so it could not be called by constituents.

Now there is a strong possibility that despite knowing that this is likely electoral suicide, knowing that it probably will finish off any hope that the economy will recover; that they are willing to publicly be seen as willing to pay off any Senator at any cost, pull any trick parliamentary maneuver, all to pass a bill [which they have not read, as with all major regime initiatives]. This bespeaks an arrogance worthy of the 1788 French nobility, a faith in a Socialist future worthy of a zampolit, or a sure and certain knowledge that they will never again be at risk of being held to account by the voters.

I will not doubt the arrogance, but at this level? Democrats are Leftists, but they hold faith in very little. “Ockham’s Razor” keeps popping up.

At this time, it’s hard to predict what will really happen next fall in the polling booths. And that is frankly the only poll that really matters.

Indeed. I would offer the thought that if they manhandle this 5 pounds of organic waste in a 4 pound container through; that the third option above is definitely something to be concerned about. IF the elections take place as scheduled, we should keep a quote attributed to Iosef Vissarionovich Djugashvili in mind:

“It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.”

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Do many of you truly believe the DEMs or O are going to attempt to postpone elections to maintain power? How much power do you believe they have?

It is less a matter of faith type belief, than a process of watching them systematically remove every other option to political suicide. Once all impossible explanations are removed, whatever remains, however improbable, is the likely explanation.

First let us deal with Barack Hussein Obama. There is nothing in his actions as far as he is known; politically, avocationally, or in his life history [what little that we have been allowed to see filtered by the state and its controlled media] that would indicate that he has any love, affection, or respect for this country, its Constitution, its laws, or its people. It is the respect for agreed precedent, due process, and proper form that separates politics in any non-tyranny from the Realpolitic that ends with Nights of Long Knives. There is nothing to indicate that any such respect exists, or that there is any countervailing fear of physical consequences that would restrain him.

Moving from colloquial English more towards terms of art within the field of Political Science; all political systems in whatever society ultimately rest upon the application of the coercive power [including death] of either the state or factions within. Every political system is a way of moderating and limiting the use of that coercive power in a way that is acceptable that society. That means can be as oligarchical and murderous as either the Eastern or Western Roman Empires, as centered on an all-powerful god-king as the ancient Egyptians, or as essentially self controlling as the Swiss Confederation. It is the acceptance of whatever means and mores that evolve for that society, passed on through the generations via the process of socialization into the culture [nothing to do with Marx, it is a term of art] that creates legitimacy for whatever political system. If factions within a body politic do not accept those means and mores [can you say for instance “Bourgeois sentimentality” or “opiate of the masses”] their actions are not bound by those means and mores, nor will they be constrained by the rules of the political system absent a literal fear of the coercive power of the state or other factions. To depend on hostile factions to act only within that system after they have demonstrated that they do not believe in it; simply because you yourself believe in the system with all your heart, is folly and perhaps a fatal folly.

I think it can be said that in every society where a change in the political system was imposed by an insurgent faction out to change it to their exclusive benefit; their plans and goals were evident to those who were observant and ignored by the wider society until it was too late.

Moving on to the Democrats and other Leftists in appointed and elected positions [I personally do not believe in the existence anymore of the now extinct “Conservative Democrat”. Joe Lieberman is perhaps a near relative of one, but he is essentially a Liberal, and differs from his former party in that he does not hate this country as the rest of the Democrats do. Thus, he was purged. “Moderate Democrats” or “Blue Dogs” are simply Leftists who are more skilled at lying at home, while reliably voting hard Left at every opportunity.] you have to realize that people do not act irrationally from their own perspective. Their reasoning may be irrational, or fantasy, to outsiders; but they have an internally coherent set of reasons [ideology] for what they do. The more people acting the same way, however irrational to the main population, the more likely that they share that ideology, and the stronger it is in the group.

It is a given that amongst the Nomenklatura of any political system, the maintenance of power is the first goal, akin to and frequently in some systems interrelated to self preservation in the individual. There is no indication at all that the political establishment of this country [regardless of faction or party] is subject to fits of idealism, self-sacrifice, or what we could call patriotism. They are in it for personal power and wealth. No one who goes to an elected or appointed position in our Federal government comes out anything but rich [even if indicted] and usually powerful, even after leaving office.

The Democrats and other Leftists in office have not deviated from this, and have not demonstrated any inclination to yield power or commit political suicide for principle. Indeed, they have tightened their sole grip on power by means both technically legal [barring the Republicans from committee meetings in the House, and not allowing them to offer amendments to bills] and extra-legal and extra-constitutional [governing by a literal horde of appointed “Czars” not subject to confirmation, election, or judicial review].

They do not intend to lose power, and indeed are expanding their power. Simultaneously, if the law and Constitution are followed, they will have to answer for their actions to the voters in 2010 and 2012. If the law and Constitution are followed, if they continue to [several phrases come to mind, but even in Chinese they would break the house rules]; they can literally lose everything in an honest election. There is an impasse here.

Consider:

They turned the bank bailout and “Stimulus” into a slush fund for their supporters, over the objection of most of the voters.

They took over two of the three American auto companies with government funds, overturning a century of commercial law to literally steal the money of all stockholders and bondholders. The only ones to benefit have been the Unions who kick back part of the money to Democrats, and the government.

They are pushing “Cap and Tax” in the name of environmental purity; literally outlawing most forms of power generation in this country unless extortionate taxes are paid to the government and of course passed on to all consumers. This was passed very much over the objection of the people in the House, and stalled in the Senate when it was revealed that the “scientific research” on Global Warming, Climate Change, or whatever buzzword they are using today was based on a very limited amount of cherry picked faulty data, and that was further altered and faked for years. The response of the Democrats in power has been to impose the power to tax and regulate the same things by decree without a vote.

They are presiding over the absolute destruction of the American economy, with taxes guaranteed to rise, unemployment at 10% officially after the figures have been massaged and the U6 number that comes closest to the real unemployment rate is well north of 17% and maybe according to some calculations over 20%. In some parts of the country, the unemployment rate is 30%, and those areas happen to coincide with decades of Democrat controlled government. [Note, California has a governor who is technically a Republican, but he is a RINO at best, and the legislature has been over 50% Democrat in both houses for over a political generation].

There are no indications, outside of whatever the Democrats and media are smoking, that things will get better any time before November 2010; and every indication that after the first of the year there will be a tsunami of bankruptcies and layoffs.

Spending and appropriations have gone through the roof by deficit spending. Keeping in mind that Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress since the 2006 elections and thus controlled all spending; the deficit in the fiscal year that just ended in October set a record. The first two months of this fiscal year, has already beaten that record.

This spending is done by functionally printing more money with nothing real to back it. The Treasury issues bonds [Treasury Notes = promises to pay later]. The Federal Reserve “buys” those bonds on paper. They then use the bonds [promises to pay later] as collateral backing the issuance of several times the amount of the bonds. More dollars chasing fewer goods [as the economy collapses] = massive inflation once we hit the tipping point. Inflation destroys the savings, wages, and value of the property of the people.

Of the spending done with deficits, almost none of it is being used as claimed to “fix” the problems it was supposedly aimed at. Banks are not having their bad mortgages cleared, people are still getting foreclosed on, the jobs projects have not occurred, and in fact the money has been used to pay for local and state government to fill the holes in their budgets. The only jobs created are government jobs. Literally the only growing part of our labor force is government, even in states that are broke. It is noteworthy that Federal government employment has skyrocketed and it was released yesterday that the average wage of Federal employees is $71,000 with an increase by at least an order of magnitude in the number of Federal employees making over $100,000 a year.

In the midst of this, the Democrats in Congress have, once again literally, met the overwhelming and legal opposition of the people with insults, avoidance, and at times thug violence.

Now they are going to pass a Health Care Nationalization by hook or by crook. The terms that have escaped indicate that there will be massive cuts in healthcare available to the elderly. The commercials promise unicorns and skittles. The reality is that it is almost all paid for by cutting funding for medicare, imposing global lifetime limits on individual health care, imposing annual global budgets for each procedure that mean if the budget runs out that year patients will not get the operation until next fiscal year if at all, and by cutting diagnostic tests and early detection. Yes, they promise money savings and increased quality of care by more early detection; but they have announced new guidelines that cut the number of mammograms and pap smears. They specifically cut the number most in the age group of women where most breast cancers are detected [40-50].

Oh, and the increased taxes for it kick in immediately while the care won’t start for a couple of years. What are the odds that the tax collections won’t be spent on other things?

This will be passed, once again over the objections of the people; by what will be a party line vote, on a weekend, in blatant defiance of what people want. And like all the hallmark bills since January, it will be voted on without having been read.

In all cases, the public polls show massive opposition to the actions of Congress and to the specific programs Obama is pushing. These are massaged before release. The real, private polls commissioned by the politicians have to show worse. And still they do it.

Throughout it all; they are funding a nationwide group whose sole functions are vote fraud, mortgage fraud, tax fraud, and of late child prostitution. Said group is supported and protected by elected and appointed Democrats at all levels.

As I said, we have an impasse. The Left has no intention of giving up power. But they act consistently and almost unanimously in ways that leaving me biting my tongue to find ways of describing it in this forum, and actively infuriating huge swathes of the American people. If there are honest elections a whole bunch of them are going to lose power, quite possibly enough to take them out of control of the government.

Politicians in a group when they act consistently and anomalously against what would seem to be their own interests, are usually operating on information not available to anyone else. One also has to add to the mix the question why the Republicans as a party are only offering token opposition to the Democrats, when standing up would rally support to them? What do they know?

When you rule out the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, has to be considered. The only thing that remains, that I can see, is that no matter what they do, they no longer have any fear of facing the voters in an honest election. The specific mechanisms and basis for that confidence have yet to be determined. If anyone has a convincing alternative explanation that fits the data; I would gladly entertain it. I really would like to be able to accept an alternative that bodes better for our country, our Constitution, and the future of my children.

How much power do you believe they have?

As far as the amount of power that they think they have … I will note that through at least the 1970’s, and perhaps later as I do not have the figures at hand, the most common way that governments changed hands worldwide was by coup d’etat of one form or another. Yet even as a field of political science, it is rarely studied. I have done a bit in the field. I offer to you and to all BC-ers the book “Coup d’etat: A Practical Handbook” by noted political scientist and historian Edward Luttwak.

* ISBN-13: 9780674175471
* ISBN: 0674175476

available through retail booksellers and used book websites.

After reading about the mechanisms of various forms of coup, and the vulnerabilities in a body politic that can be exploited; you might be less confident as to the ability of our current society to prevent such an attempt, by electoral or other means.

As to whether such could be resisted and eventually turned back, I will leave to all to ponder.

I apologise for the length of this, but I wanted to lay out the reasons that, by their own actions, the Democrats have moved the possibility of their committing further extra-constitutional action from being beyond the Pale, to being something that must be seriously considered.

Our host, Wretchard, has more practical experience of dealing first hand with a tyranny masquerading as a constitutional democracy. I humbly request his input on the matter under question.

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When you live around a bunch of Dem supporters you find, or at least I do, that most are not fire breathing radicals that want to totally transform this Country. They’re mostly people who are fed the “right ideas”, the ones that are socially acceptable, and tailor their beliefs accordingly, whether those ideas are grounded in reality or not. The vast majority of them love this Country, although they may have some unusual ideas about it.

I hope that you are right but I fear that you are too optimistic. Some of the things you mention are true, or may be true, but I do not view them as being necessarily determinative.

The seizure of power in a state is not like something out of a Sergei Eisenstein movie. It is a series of carefully crafted moves, akin to the Japanese game of Go. It is said that Go relates to Western chess the same way that metaphysics relates to double-entry accounting. In Go, the placement of a single stone can frustrate the plans of your opponent, capturing a large amount of territory and a number of his stones. One may alternately, perhaps, think of the art of a coup as political Aikido, if you are involved in martial arts.

First, you have the difference between being inside the government, or being outside. Being outside the government does not apply to the cases we can consider, because they already have the levers of power.

Without going too much into the details of the scenarios in Luttwak’s book [Possession of which may someday constitute “Thoughtcrime”. I was a freshman in college when I read the first edition.], the key in all types of scenario’s is to choose the chokepoints of the system and have your people acting to paralyse any who would oppose. If military units are ordered to remain in barracks by the right place in the chain of command, the odds are good they will do so for the 24-48 hours it will take to make the coup hold. If you have your people at the media [and in the case of Buraq Hussein Obama, his people ARE the media] you can spin whatever story you want to keep the civilian population quiet for that critical period. You need to seize immediate control of key points, political and economic, and you need to remove any obvious persons who could be a center of an opposition.

While there are others that could be in play; there are three variants that are in the heads of a lot of people concerned with the situation.

For the first scenario, remember that those we are concerned with already have control of the coercive organs of state power. Further remember that all of our political establishment considers itself above conventional morality, and the Left even more so. I already discussed in an earlier posting the dangers posed to a political system by factions who do not believe in the mores that limit the exercise of coercive power in a political system.

In addition to the official government agencies, the Democrats have ACORN [admittedly you would not want to use them for any task requiring precision or attention to detail], the strong-arm elements of various unions [especially the SEIU and UAW], and Organizing For America [which was his youth campaign organization that still exists and is now in part government funded through AmeriCorps. They seem to be involved in both street actions and in online activities, both legal such as trolling, and I believe less than legal hacking and disruption of alternate media sites and discussions.]

American history has turned on untimely deaths before. I reference the year 1968, Anno Irae, when our politics were shaped by a series of shootings. Wet work is far more sophisticated today.

The real problem is that our side has few real leaders, and most of the supposed leaders are more than happy with the way things are.

Note that their political tactics already center on the personal destruction of anyone who can be singled out as a leader of the opposition. It has become such a standard tactic, that they are baffled by the TEA Party movement, because it is in fact a grass roots movement that has no leaders. It is telling that the official Republican leadership, and the Republican party as a whole, is apparently not considered to be a threat worthy of the same attention. Something to think about.

The real leaders of the opposition do not hold formal positions of leadership, but rather are what they are. And they are very few in number. If over a period of time there were less than half a dozen “tragic accidents” or even one or two open attacks that could be blamed on “Right Wing Terrorists”, remembering that the government controls the investigations and the reporting of them; what effective opposition would there be to the Democrats in any election? Especially if the vote count is already partially adjusted by ACORN. The opposition to the regime would be demoralized. Your “vast majority who love this country, albeit with unusual ideas” would lap up the media’s spin on the events and would be cheering the deaths. The Oathkeepers would not be triggered to react.

Scenario Two: There is a host of “Emergency Powers” already on the books for the President to declare states of emergency based on a number of situations; military, economic, transportation, manufacturing, world trade, terrorism, internal security etc. that were granted by Congress during the Cold War and afterwards. Under those states of emergency, the president can functionally rule by decree and have it ratified by Congress later. Those emergency powers were always a two-edged sword; necessary for continuity of government if things were disrupted; but dangerous in the hands of someone whose love of the Constitution is so small that it cannot be detected with a scanning electron microscope. The assumption at the time was that if someone abused those powers, that there would be an opposition in Congress to balance him. Can you see anyone in Congress standing up to Buraq Hussein Obama? Of either party?

Your neighbors and their ovine cousins around the country would rally around the President in the time of “Emergency”, and if certain people disappeared during that time or in the aftermath, it would not be noted. And once again, the Oathkeepers would remain in barracks.

The regime does not need to pass a Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich [“Law to Remedy the Distress of the People and the Nation”], as it already functionally exists, scattered through the US Code. In a thread after this one, “Waiting”, Wretchard opened a discussion of the various evil events that are barreling down upon us. Any one of them could be used as a trigger. I think that Wretchard is an optimist as he gives two years as a timeline.

Scenario Three: Outright election fraud. This in a way is the most risky variant. Pretty much everybody in the patriotic opposition realizes that the Democrats have been engaged in vote fraud for decades, and that all restraint is now off. The last election was proof, if nothing else.

ACORN has been submitting false registrations nationwide for decades. They have been caught at it repeatedly. And for every false registration caught, how many have gotten through? Keep in mind that it is a violation of the PC rules to seriously look at the validity of votes and voter registrations. Under the Motor Voter Act, those registrations are easily inserted into the system, and are almost impossible to remove. Most states do not require ID to vote. For those who do, all you have to do is send in a request for a mail in absentee ballot. In the last election cycle, in Ohio, they caught ACORN inserting 150,000 false registrations. They admitted that they were not real. IF they were to be accepted [which they should not have been], they should have been sent to the County Clerks under Federal law as “Provisional Ballots” which would have allowed the person named to vote, but would not have counted the votes until the voter provided proof that he/she was the person legally registered. The Democrat Secretary of State ordered the registrations sent to the County Clerks as valid registrations, mixed in with the rest of the polling lists. Interestingly enough, in the legal action that followed, the Democrat appointed Federal judges ruled that no one, neither citizens, candidates, or the Republican party had standing to file suit over the validity of the registrations.

Vote fraud is endemic. Every few years, a story escapes into the media about a Democrat official whose home is the registered address of hundreds or thousands of absentee voters; who are either non-existent or illegal aliens. No action is taken, and the votes are counted.

Somehow, in every closely contested election of import, the Democrats [and only the Democrats] “find” cases of voted paper ballots long after the polls have been closed. Why, in the name of any random half dozen of the “Nine Billion Names of God” are there cases of paper ballots in the garages, closets, cars, and attics of Democrat election officials? And why, since there is supposed to be the equivalent of the criminal justice “chain of custody” for evidence that follows paper ballots, are they routinely allowed to be counted until enough are found to give a Democrat the victory?

Then there is the matter of the signal sent about the right to vote, by the Attorney General. The New Black Panther Party case. Uniformed NBPP thugs with weapons were intimidating whites at a polling place. If it had been KKK intimidating blacks; they would have been a legal free-fire zone. At the orders of the White House, the case was dropped after a plea bargain had been accepted by the court and they were awaiting sentencing.

But that is not all. The US Civil Rights Commission has Federal statutory authority to investigate any violation of anyone’s right to vote freely. They used their administrative subpoena authority [as they have for decades] to ask for the files on the case. Attorney General Holder has told the Civil Rights Commission that the Department of Justice internal review supercedes their statutory authority, and they can in effect fold their subpoena until it is all corners and amaze their proctologist. Vote fraud and physical intimidation by the Left are now officially protected activities.

Having grave doubts about the legitimacy of the vote count in any election conducted by Democrats is not an unreasonable position, given recent history. If the elections in 2010, or 2012 are not canceled by Scenario 2; any victory by the Democrats [especially one that does not seem rational] is going to arouse the ire of the opposition and of Oathkeepers. I’m pretty sure that your neighbors will just cheer the Democrats getting 110% of the vote.

Those are 3 scenarios, there are others, and variants on all of them. Despite how it appears, I do not think about the subject 40 hours a week. How much faith, given the fact that the Democrats and their allies further Left [as hard as that is to be] give repeated evidence that they do not accept our society’s political mores and methods, can you have that there is not someone in the White House who does put in 40+ hours a week on the subject?

Given the situation, it is apparent from the sales figures of guns and ammunition [the only growing part of our economy it seems] that a large number of people are taking the possibility seriously; thinking tactically, or perhaps operationally or strategically.

YMMV
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Ignis aurum probat, miseria fortes viros.

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

89 comments

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    LC Wes, Imperial Mohel says:

    Quite apart from whatever voter fraud or intimidation tactics the Left might employ over the course of the next couple of election cycles, I’d also look for another push for amnesty for illegal aliens as well. Legitimizing the status of ten or twelve million “undocumenteds” would create that many new Democrat voters overnight…all nice and “legal,” for certain values of legal.

    And I’ve seen some hints in the press and the blogosphere over the past few months that Obama and the congressional Democrat leadership are strongly considering a move toward amnesty in 2010. Along with cap-and-tax and health care, of course.

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    Indeed, gun sales are WAY up. And these apparatchik are too stupid to get a clue. *SIGH* I really wasn’t looking forward to this, if it could be avoided.

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    LC Old Dog says:

    You are right about that cmblake6, I thought I had been to my last rodeo! Looks like time to oil up the saddle and flex up them old boots.

    I really wanted to avoid this also!

    :em41:

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    Papa Ray says:

    Insightful writing and a good use of my time reading it. But most others will tire after the first few paragraphs. American span of attention, you know.

    While your first two reasons that you give, is enough for us to be not just apprehensive but fearful, are not something that I have pondered on much, except that it appears that right at this time, we are “outgunned” and surrounded. But the last, the possibility of a fair and honest election cycle, I have been writing and warning about for the last year. But as you know, blogs are not read much and comments even less by your average American voter. So that leaves the traditional media which as most everyone knows or suspects at least, is not only covering up for the Obama Administration but actively assisting them at almost every turn. Also there are way too many states that are democrat controlled and the fraud would never be reported or if it was, like you said never be prosecuted.

    So we are indeed in a hellva mess and not many options remain, and the one that would most likely bring them down is the one that most Americans would not accept nor participate in.
    But there are a few thousand that can be counted on. Sadly they are the middle to older generations for the most part. But maybe we can convince enough younger Americans for the effort to succeed. If you can call a second revolution something that would ever be looked upon kindly as a success, and it would not be an effort that anyone would look forward to or want. But we may be forced to not only consider it but to act upon it.

    But they are depending on us to just talk and complain as the rape continues.

    Papa Ray

    The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
    2009 Judge Alex Kozinski

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    rickn8or says:

    If they had half a lick of sense, concern for the country, or even for their own skins; the Republicans would be screaming like ruptured Bann Sidh

    Or backbone or testes. The obvious lack of these above all else is my reason to tell the GOP to GFY.

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    LC Mike in Chi says:

    A long awaited and ponderous post, LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An.

    Ignis aurum probat, miseria fortes viros.

    I’ve always said, “Life is a lesson on how to learn to love; pay attention, ’cause there’s gonna be a test later.”…and this one’s a doosie!
    How does one convince a bribed electorate, that they are sheep being led to the slaughter?
    Should I even try?
    It shall be my life for my liberty, not my liberty for my life.
    Ex Voto
    Necessitas non habet legem

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    Sir Guido Cabrone. LC, M.o.P. says:

    As noted previously, I am keeping a good position in steel, lead, copper, and brass.

    I am looking at “disruptions in commerce” as possible pretext to an emergency declaration of martial law. Such would be painfully easy to arrange for those who are in control of the distribution network in this country.

    Keep your cartridges dry.

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    LC BOATS says:

    Boy what a mouth full but very impressive. When Odumbass (won ) the last election I found it hard to believe that there were that many people in America so dim witted as to believe his line of crap but considered the left running the educational system the last few decades may have had a lot to do with that . Then hearing that Acorn had a habit of stuffing ballot box’s , I then thought that it must be just the tip of the iceberg. All you have said here rings true to me but I see no alternative but civil war unless we are willing to just let an end come to America as it was meant to be as our founders vision. I have no intention of giving up as long as I breath and have ammo.The next problem is as I have said before and that is communication because when the shit hits the fan we need to get organized. When they kill us off one at a time it will be just another right winger gone off the deep end.

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    Tallulah says:

    Subotai:

    You’ve put your finger on just what I’ve been worried about for the last two years. I’ve seen things I’ve never seen in this country in my half century: the absolutely staggering arrogance of the Dem/Left politicians; the positively canine servility of the press, the Houdini-like escapes from all accountability for any consequences, and the INVISIBILITY of it all to our “ovine neighbors.”

    I avoid watching network propaganda, miscalled “news,” most days. But occasionally I look at it to see why the ovine ones are so bloody complacent. And I see the propaganda arm of the Left busy at its anvil, shaping events thusly:
    — They simply don’t mention anything that would reflect discredit on the Usurper.
    — If they bring up a subject that would make the ordinary Citizens’ blood boil, they lie about it by blacking out anything that will arouse the public, misrepresenting the objections that the Republicans do raise, and by presenting only trivial, procedural or personal objections by the opposition, making them seem petty and unserious.

    And that’s part of why they feel immune to the wrath of the Citizens. They have a tarn cloak from the media.

    But I suspect you’re onto something: the fact that they were able to foist this Marxist Muslim-reared America-hater onto the country as the president makes them feel omnipotent. None of their appalling crimes against the nation have been accurately reported, let alone punished. They figure they can get away with murder because they have. Repeatedly.

    The Franken Creature’s blatant election fraud is a case in point. As was the Obama Creature’s. Even the Clinton Machine couldn’t stop it. It was like the monster in Alien.

    But how do we stop them? How to we keep America America?

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    Tallulah says:

    I think the neighbors are like my bird-witted sister. She’s not stupid, but she refuses to use her perfectly good mind on political issues. For her, it’s 1000% about “feelings.” Before the selection last year, when I was trying to appeal to her patriotism (and she had voted Republican occasionally, and wasn’t a rabid Leftist), she said, “Well, I just feel like it’s better if we all live in a community and look after each other. And I don’t want to vote to protect a bunch of rich people.”

    Yeah, That‘s why I voted for Bush in ’04. “To protect a bunch of rich people.” What a perfectly idiotic thing to say. But it sums up pretty neatly the “thinking” of our ovine neighbors. They don’t go beyond that.

    She also thought it would be “a good idea to protect the environment.” So do I, damn it, but let’s do it rationally. But no. She figured that all these people who’d put so much time into studying the issue (naively assuming that that’s what they were in fact doing) must have the right idea: therefore, she abdicated the decision-making to them. I admit I used to do the same thing in my knee-jerk Democrat days. But when I hear that the scientists have lied, manipulated the data, bullied the opposition, and burked the facts, I see Red. My sister, OTOH, just didn’t want to think about it.

    She and I have also both been turned off by some of the conservative commenters’ other opinions, especially about women. That part I do understand.

    But what’s frustrating is that we’re sisters, she knows I’m smart and well-versed in history, she’s not a doctrinaire leftist — and I still couldn’t cut through the cotton-candy fog. To tell the truth, I don’t even TRY talking to the other sheep most of the time. They’re walking in their sleep, and it’ll take an air horn in their ears to wake them up.

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    Tallulah says:

    One last thought: We’ve already seen this happen — a Leftist “leader” refusing to leave power when he’s traditionally expected to do so — in Gordon Brown’s refusal to step down from the Prime Ministership when everyone thought he couldn’t possibly hold on.

    He simply ignored everyone’s calls for election, and stayed in #10, wedged into the office apparently permanently. (Forgive me for not remembering the details, but isn’t that the gist of what happened?)

    On a smaller scale, lifelong Democrat “Nanny” Bloomberg rode roughshod over the will of the New Yorkers, expressed in two referendums, that the mayor should have only TWO terms. By getting the Democrat/Leftist City Council to rubber-stamp his run for a third term. Even Dem citizens were griping about that maneuver. But he “won” anyway, over pretty feeble opposition.

    Note well: when it was the Republican, Rudy Giuliani, who suggested (and only suggested) that he run for a third term due to the war emergency, all the NY Dimwits screeched and shat bricks. When a fellow Leftie does it? they gripe a little and vote for him anyway. (To any out-of-towners, Bloomberg’s “republican” label was merely a flag of convenience, discarded as soon as he had served his first term, for another false label, “independent.”)

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    Papa Ray sez:

    The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

    And the time draws near. I pray that “those in the right places” realize this as well, and do their duty to prevent what must need be otherwise.
    LC Mike in Chi sez:

    How does one convince a bribed electorate, that they are sheep being led to the slaughter?
    Should I even try?
    It shall be my life for my liberty, not my liberty for my life.

    Fucking SWEET!

    Woe be unto them the awakening. :em96:

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    LC Xystus says:

    Possibly our leadership is not to be easily defeated because so many of us are potential leaders. (Feel like fightin’ this Hydra today, Lefty?)

    Audax vincit!

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    LC Wil, S.C.E. says:

    Subotai, I fear you are correct: A Whiff of Grapeshot may be the only option left. Middling sad, that.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    They almost let Jefferson get away with one further word he inserted between “deriving their just powers from the” and the following “consent of the governed”. The discovery of that one word is left as an exercize for the student . .

    —————————————

    Funny thing – I can’t seem to find the expiration date on this:

    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

    Y’all see what the first promise is.

    ————–

    If, mayhaps, you know some poor deluded fool who, through ignorance, voted for the Communist-in-Chief; I don’t know, maybe a neighbor, good guy, goes to church on Sunday, Rotary or Lions or Elks Club, just happens to have a history of being a Democrat through family history, but a good guy, wondering what has happened to his party;

    Now just might be a good time to remind him to Take that damned bumper sticker off his Chevy!

    —————

    I have promised my Children that the country they inherit will be as free as the one I recived from my Father. No socialist, despot, collection of communists, nor the forces of “history” will sway that promise, nor my determination.

    . . . with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honour.

    Meet ‘ya on the Field of Honor, my brothers.

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    LC LucysDaddy says:

    There will soon come a day in the not too distant future when Americans are gong to have to make a serious choice—life or death. This country will soon become saturated with regulations and rules concerning every aspect of our lives and we will need to be ready and vigilant in our day to day lives to see the patterns emerge.

    Voter fraud, intimidation, physical violence and media sycophants will be the undoing of the Progressive movement, but ONLY if we are ready to do the heavy lifting required to teach and show our friends and neighbors. Problem is, most of them are more concerned with “kitchen table issues” and not with those that occur outside the walls of their homes. I have tried and I know the reluctance of many to listen to anything that may upset the proverbial apple cart.

    Sabudai Bahadur, you have eloquently and thoroughly deconstructed the main issues at hand. Ijust hope that someday we will be able to live with our children and grandchildren in America and not just tell them stories of what America used to be.

    By the way, this is not to praise the Republicans. If they had half a lick of sense, concern for the country, or even for their own skins; the Republicans would be screaming like ruptured Bann Sidh about the conduct of the Democrats as a corollary to their attacks on the substance of both Health Care Nationalization and Cap and Tax. Once again, only the sound of the chirping of crickets. Another anomaly. Are they stupid, cowards, or do they know something we don’t?

    I am afraid that the Republicans are in on the rigged game and we are hoping, delusionally, that they will somehow wake up and fight or, even more delusionally, that they will actually fight to retain the integrity and greatness of this country. The Republicans (for the most part) are very happy to be in Congress and will not do anymore that what they need to do to stay there, lest they be kicked out.

    The Democrats are more than willing to take some losses to make the game look even, but when it all comes down, they will resort to thug tactics and ouright theft and fraud to maintain their hold on power. What will we do when Congress finally crosses the proverbial line and we are forced to take action. I fear that most (including those closest to many of us here) will sit back and do nothing and hope that everything turns out for the best. We need to continue to hammer away at our families and friends the importance of being good citizens and keep on pointing out the criminal and unconstitutional actions of those we have sent to do our bidding.

    More than ever, now is the time that we need to channel the Founding Fathers and take back what has been left to us. History demands it.

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    Princess Natasha, Resident Token Anarchist says:

    I did not come here all the way from the USSR just to have fascism and socialism shoved down my throat. If I wanted that shit I would have moved to North Korea or some other turd-world fuckhole our pResident Douchebag seems to be enamored with.

    So, commies? Here is a very pissed off capitalist who grew up under the system you dumb fucking n00bs are trying (very incompetently, I must add) to install… I am not nice, I am not very civilized and I do not consider you fuckers human, anyway. In my book, you rotters are something that resulted from an unholy union of a poison snail, a cockroach and a cancer cell and deserve about as much consideration.

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    jdog43 says:

    They have thrown our Constitution in the trash bin. They have brown shirts intimidating us at the polls. They defy the law yet use force of arms to make us obey them. They send our sons and daughters to fight in illegal wars (no Declaration of War by Congress). What is left for us?

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    Cannon Fodder says:

    LC WIL: Damnit! You have tweaked my noodle! What is that ONE word?!?!?

    As for the oath. My brother was telling me that before he retired from the Navy he taught “Rights and Responsibilities” to the enlisted. Shortly before he retired, they eliminated this class. Makes you wonder, why does the government not want our soldiers to understand their oath and their “Rights and Responsibilities” any longer?

    I have been wondering for a while just how our military will react to a usurpation of our country actually does occur. Will they blindly follow the shredding of the Constitution or will they rebel against the “powers that be?” Given their oath, one would hope the latter. But that will only be IF they understand that their first two promises in that oath take precedent over the rest.

    Everyone is talking about weapons and ammo. Anyone have some that are “free to a good home?” I can provide a good home to a patriotic weapon or two. LMAO! Being seriously poor doesn’t help much do it?

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    LC hilljohnny says:

    Cannon Fodder sez:

    Damnit! You have tweaked my noodle! What is that ONE word?!?!?

    i believe it was “unanimous”

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    LC Mike in Chi says:

    LC LucysDaddy says:

    I fear that most (including those closest to many of us here) will sit back and do nothing and hope that everything turns out for the best. We need to continue to hammer away at our families and friends the importance of being good citizens and keep on pointing out the criminal and unconstitutional actions of those we have sent to do our bidding.

    Tallulah says:

    I think the neighbors are like my bird-witted sister. She’s not stupid, but she refuses to use her perfectly good mind on political issues. For her, it’s 1000% about “feelings.”

    The Sophist Sycophants of Socialist Solutions™ will rue the day they thought that they could become our new masters
    When the irrefutable pounding the Nouveau Reich™ will get continues; unrelenting, withering, apparently without cohesive leadership, day after day, month after lingering month, they’ll ask why. Not to the media will they seek answers, but to their neighbors, family and friends.
    Document
    Dig in
    Know who is swayed with reason, if only for their own safety and sanity, and give them the precious gift of knowledge born of a higher ideal then the choke hold the LLLs think we need.
    I think we have two and a half, maybe even three generations to re-educate as to what is meant by liberty and freedom.

    LC Wil, S.C.E. said:

    They almost let Jefferson get away with one further word he inserted between “deriving their just powers from the” and the following “consent of the governed”. The discovery of that one word is left as an exercize for the student .

    Without cheating with a Googling, I’d say “popular” could be “willful”.

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    AyUaxe says:

    Princess Natasha, Resident Token Anarchist sez:

    I am not nice, I am not very civilized and I do not consider you fuckers human, anyway. In my book, you rotters are something that resulted from an unholy union of a poison snail, a cockroach and a cancer cell and deserve about as much consideration.

    True dat, N@!

    SBLPA wonders about why gummint functionaries seem to be acting differently, but in reality, they’re just cuttin’ loose with their usual BS–the accumulation of power by any means not requiring them to actually work or devote their own resources to the task. It has been a constant struggle, since very early in U.S. history, to prevent or even limit the extent of the imperial fedrool gummint’s use of our money, extorted through taxation, to buy themselves approval, votes, and power.

    The farce has only become more transparent and their efforts more hurried, lest they not get well past the “tipping point” before the sheep wake up and kick a bunch of them out again, as happened with the “Contract with America” congress. They know they have to push all their power and money grabbing crap through while they’ve got the executive and legislative branches under their control. Truth be told, combine the numbers of persons employed by and in connection with the feds with those who are receiving income, benefits, and/or subsidies from said feds, plus those who are just plain stupid socialists (national, communist or otherwise), and they may already have a commanding majority of “likely” voters. That would certainly explain the seeming lack of concern for consequences of their current depredations.

    The saddest fact of all of this is that, regardless of which party is in power, there is not likely to be much repealing going on in the future. That is ultimately what is needed, if this Nation is to be preserved with anything resembling its original spirit intact–vast amounts of verbiage and expense needs to be repealed from the U.S. Code and related administrative rules and codes, until the fedrool gummint is once again recognizable as described in the Constitution.

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    Lc Ohio Right Wing Nut says:

    LC LucysDaddy sez:

    There will soon come a day in the not too distant future when Americans are gong to have to make a serious choice—life or death.

    You know me buddy…the choice has already been made :em96: :em96:

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    LC Wil, S.C.E. says:

    DING DING DING DING DING!

    Laaaaideeez and Gentlemen, we have a WINNER!

    Hilljohnny Gets the Cigar! [. . . Pass an el Magnifico to the man, that’s a good lass . . .]

    Indeed, the word was unanimous. One of the lesser known stories of the Second Continental Congress is that ‘ol Tom nearly slipped one over on the other Delegates, phrasing this “deriving their just powers from the unanimous consent of the governed”, which would have made for the week central Government that he and several other of the Delegates wanted. He was busted by the anti-federalists, and was forced to remove the word in a compronise with Alex Hamilton.

    Also, if anyone is interested, the vote to declare independence was actually held on July 2, 1776. July 4th, Independence Day was when the proclamation was published.

    ——————————–

    Dave, was anyone actually arrested for your story from 2004? John Birch Society offices raided? Congressional votes to have any Republican group’s funding slashed?

    Didn’t think so.

    Ya see, the Democrats ave a LOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG record of stealing elections. Just ask the Governor of Washington. Grand Theft Election. And a practice run for 2006 and 2008.

    Your history goes back at least to when the graveyard vote from Chicago installed Robert Kennedy, Jr.’s Unkle Jack in the White House. Stop pretending to be the injured party. We are quite tired of hearing it.

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    lc purple raider says:

    It is a HUGE distinction, especially since those 150,000 were separated and tagged as possible frauds by ACORN themselves. State law says that ACORN has to turn in any and all registration applications they collect regardless of whether they appear to be obvious frauds or not. However people here always seem to overlook that point.

    1. Actually they weren’t.

    2. According to certain people inside ACORN, there were another 300,000 registrations that were “suspect.”

    3. In the last election, the dead voted in record numbers.

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    LC Mike in Chi says:

    DJ@21:

    The funny thing is, people here only want to point the fraud in voter registration ONLY when it might go against your candidates. But it is never pointed out when you have groups who collect voter registration cards and throw away any that might be filled out by Democrats.

    A loaded statement no doubt.
    Now, without the nit pickin’, please.
    What is your take on the meat of the post?

    “Democrats, Democrat party officials, and the government controlled media chose to deliberately insult and attack citizens who accepted what was in fact the invitations of the Congress-Critters to attend Town Hall meetings, and who dared to ask real questions and insist on answers. This was followed by the White House insisting that the Left “push back” against those citizens.

    Shortly thereafter Democrat Congress-Critters started having ACORN and SEIU security forces at these events. Citizens were threatened, blocked out, and eventually physically assaulted. The assailants, it seems, have judicial immunity.”

    Is turn-about fair play?

    “Following this, there was the 9/12 march on Washington. While the media and the White House tried to claim that it was only a few thousand, but old aerial photos published in the Washington Post of the Inauguration, and a contemporary one taken 9/12 showed that the 9/12 demonstration filled more of the Mall, plus blocks on each side. And there were a similar number at local demonstrations around the country. It was somewhere on the order of between 1 and 2 million in DC, plus local events. The largest political demonstration in the history of the country, with participation by as many people as were in the country at the time of the Declaration of Independence, was deliberately ignored by the political elites.”

    But, the million man march got filed away to the History of Victory™

    “The Democrats and other Leftists in office have not deviated from this, and have not demonstrated any inclination to yield power or commit political suicide for principle. Indeed, they have tightened their sole grip on power by means both technically legal [barring the Republicans from committee meetings in the House, and not allowing them to offer amendments to bills] and extra-legal and extra-constitutional [governing by a literal horde of appointed “Czars” not subject to confirmation, election, or judicial review].”

    WTF! Is this the fourth branch of government? This is why I trust none of them. Yeah, both sides do it, you say. What, do you believe this country will “progressively” grow better or stronger with this willful methodology. It is this undermining of our democratic republic to nearly the tipping point of tyranny that I oppose.

    “Then there is the matter of the signal sent about the right to vote, by the Attorney General. The New Black Panther Party case. Uniformed NBPP thugs with weapons were intimidating whites at a polling place. If it had been KKK intimidating blacks; they would have been a legal free-fire zone. At the orders of the White House, the case was dropped after a plea bargain had been accepted by the court and they were awaiting sentencing.”

    Here in Chicago, RNC vans had their tires slashed to prevent free rides for the infirm and elderly to the gerrymandered polling places. It wasn’t Mickey Mouse who did it, either. Teddy Kennedy is still not available for comment.
    It sure would be refreshing to see the Dems prosecute some of their own for voter fraud, intimidation and larceny.
    I’d bet on the likely survival of a rat’s ass in a box of bobcats first.
    Mike H.
    Chicago

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    LC Rabidfox says:

    There might be some time for a more peaceful alternative to be tried first. The Constitution allows a Convention to be called by a minimum of 30% of the states. This Convention can meet to proposed Amendments to the Constitution. Amendments such as term limits. I don’t think most of the state govenors or legislatures are particularily happy about what is going on either.

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    Now that the roles have reversed, it is you that has become the “moonbat”. But don’t worry, when the Right regains power, the roles will switch back again.

    Nope.
    We’re not a part of the liberal duplicity that you atribute to us.
    A crime is a crime, and the liberals OWN the biggest share of theft, lies, backstabbing and cheating.

    I still want to see algore jailed for instructing his lawyers to come here to Florida to disqualify every single mail in ballot they could find that had no postage on it.
    Those were the much feared Military vote.
    What Conservative has ever came close to a stunt like that annd walked away with his skin?

    You ain’t got nuthin’ but liberal mealworms drippin’ out yer mouth.

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    to be perfectly blunt here, I don’t particularly give a goddamn about the outrage the left feels about this “healthcare” bill. They are the ones that served the rest of us a huge bullshit sandwich called hope and change, and now they feel they have the right to gag and spit it up like the rest of us.

    Well swallow it assholes, take another bite and stop bitching with your mouth full…you’d be well advised to keep the hell out of our way when we take this country back.

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    LC PrimEviL says:

    Subotai:
    A sternly thought-provoking post, despite your evident diarrhea of the keyboard. It dovetails nicely with
    the concerns of many.

    I have been thinking of late, that they are deliberately pushing the Country into economic crisis, with the
    attendant civil unrest. This will provide them their own “tipping point”, to declare a state of National
    Emergency, and invoke the emergency powers acts, declare martial law, suspend all Habeas Corpus, if
    not the Constitution entire, and begin the process of weeding out all “undesireables”, starting with gun
    owners.

    Confiscation will not be the program. Anyone who owns a gun will be arrested and hauled to a concentration
    camp, or shot outright; due to the fact that gun owners are the segment of the population most likely to
    have a restive and resistive Patriotic Constitutional mindset. Their vacated properties to be confiscated, and
    “redistributed”. The media will demonize any resistance, while crowing about government “successes”, and
    the need to “keep the country safe in these trying times”. With that “lesson” taught, the remainder of the
    citizenry will roll over, and play dead, out of stark terror.

    Prior to reading your post, acting purely on whim and instinct; I dug out my Stars ‘n’ Bars, and Confederate Irish Brigade flags, and ironed the fold wrinkles out.

    Might need to fly them soon. With intent.

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    LC PrimEviL says:

    Dammit, where’s that edit button? I had that nicely formatted, and now it looks like shit.

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    LC PrimEviL sez:

    Prior to reading your post, acting purely on whim and instinct; I dug out my Stars ‘n’ Bars, and Confederate Irish Brigade flags, and ironed the fold wrinkles out.

    I have a small Union 69th Infantry flag in my office, Irish Brigade there too…also have the Stars and Bars and Old Glory. The difference this time around is that the Confederacy will not be localized in the Southern States….it is going to be a national movement. The biggest problem we NeoCons (Neo Confederates) will have is presenting a large, potent front……we’re too widely scattered across this great nation. Local resistance won’t work, remember what happened at Waco….and that speaks of a bigger potential problem…..

    What will the military do? Those were CEV’s from Ft. Hood that burned down the Branch Davidians, it was National Guard troops who fired on the demonstrators at Kent State…..while I 100% stand behind our military, and while I know a lot of present members of the greatest military in history…I have ask this question, and I hate the fact that I even have to raise it, but:

    “will you side with us?”

    please let it be, for we are the ones that truly have your backs.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Most thoughtful, Jaybear.
    I too, have given strong consideration and great thought to what may transpire. TSHTF. In e-mails I have told you of what I have done, and it is extensive. My hope would be to stay below the radar, listening and learning at first. I do know how the police chief and mayor here in Dog Patch feel. They are both Marines, ands friends, and like any thoughtful vet, our oath was to the Constitution. I also know how the folks in fly-over country feel. I live in it.
    The major difference I have noted is American love for the Constitution and guns.
    I laugh at quoted estimates of gun ownership. My guess, extrapolating from my personal observations, is that over a billion firearms call America home.
    We won’t go the way of Europe, not willingly and perhaps not even unwillingly.
    A very special place indeed will be reserved for those called traitors.
    I hope for an electoral bloodbath next election, a remote possibility. But with sixty per cent of people opposing the present health care bill, even more with cap and trade…and the bills haven’t even started comng in yet. The govenment may seek to entice with programs, yet most now seem directed via affirmative action mandates ort racial preferences. I’ve seen it up close and personal too many times to believe different.
    Might I present an emergency ward at a hospital or an unemployment office.
    The global economy would crash. Perhaps wars would be initiated.
    I expect corporations to grab the money and run, true to form, and screw the people.
    If all hell breaks loose, the radical left may quickly become an endangered species. However, that may be avoided by many such realizing what is now happening, and what it will cost them.
    Yes, these people, those wanting mama government, some of them highly intelligent, but this is no bar to also being a fool.
    Regrettably I have learned that too……Americans of all stripes and pursuasions have now had a bellyfull of obama and company, both from the left and right. It should prove interesting.
    Force feeding mandates in a classroom is one thing, on a battlefield quite another.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 sez:

    If all hell breaks loose, the radical left may quickly become an endangered species. However, that may be avoided by many such realizing what is now happening, and what it will cost them.
    Yes, these people, those wanting mama government, some of them highly intelligent, but this is no bar to also being a fool.
    Regrettably I have learned that too……Americans of all stripes and pursuasions have now had a bellyfull of obama and company, both from the left and right. It should prove interesting.

    Cave, my brudda

    I have no interest at all at in getting along with any of the fiddytwo’ers, nor will I defend their rights, and I most definitely do NOT want them anywhere near me when this shit comes down. I find it ironic that they finally get what they voted for, and now they are having second thoughts about it now that they are folded into the final solution (and I intentionally use that term).

    I watched this great country take it straight up the ass this weekend, driven home by Herr Reid and Frau Pelosi and their Fuehrer. They no longer represent anyone but themselves and their perverse ideaology……

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    LC Mike in Chi says:

    LC PrimEvil @ #32 says:

    Confiscation will not be the program. Anyone who owns a gun will be arrested and hauled to a concentration camp, or shot outright; due to the fact that gun owners are the segment of the population most likely to have a restive and resistive Patriotic Constitutional mindset.

    {sarc}Ya’ll sounding like one o’ dem rightwing freak-outs{/sarc}
    Yeah right.

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    expatchris says:

    The situation in the UK bears looking at, the left have kneecapped the Conservative party by infiltrating and diluting conservative principles, the tory party there are losing ground to a clearly arrogant and useless socialist party, there is hope there in the shape of UKIP who have a new and dynamic leader in Lord Monkton. The one thing that could confound the left is global warming and the now obvious scam of carbon credits, there is a clear case for branding all who support the scam as “unfit to serve” the cap and trade will cost us all $1000 plus a year tax on our heat and light and for a blatant scam? get on to your local paper, senator, etc and kick up a storm, call for impeachment, get gore on pyramid selling charges, tell everyone and never buy anything chinese as they are funding the downfall of the USA. Perhaps it might be smart to keep quiet about your goodies in the gun cabinet, dems are dumber than dirt but some can even read more than a prompter!

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    expatchris sez:

    Perhaps it might be smart to keep quiet about your goodies in the gun cabinet,

    what gun cabinet???? :em02:

    I hope Lord Monckton is the savior of Albion, God knows that they need one right now.

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    LC PrimEviL says:

    @#34, Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery,:

    The biggest problem we NeoCons (Neo Confederates) will have is presenting a large, potent front……we’re too widely scattered across this great nation. Local resistance won’t work, remember what happened at Waco….and that speaks of a bigger potential problem…..

    I never forget what happened a Waco. I also never forget the concept of the “invisible army”.
    Our past enemies have shown us the way. Now, all we must do is remember, and follow.
    Time to review the movie “Red Dawn”.

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    LC Draco says:

    Jaybear asked….

    What will the military do? Those were CEV’s from Ft. Hood that burned down the Branch Davidians, it was National Guard troops who fired on the demonstrators at Kent State…..while I 100% stand behind our military, and while I know a lot of present members of the greatest military in history…I have ask this question, and I hate the fact that I even have to raise it, but:

    “will you side with us?”

    All I can say is, I am a Magyar and an American Soldier. If you have to ask that question, look HERE and HERE.

    I know it’s Wiki, but the history remains the same, until it is rewritten. I know some ’56ers.

    I think you know which side the tracks I am on. :em96:

  39. 39
    LC Draco says:

    And btw…notice the date Gen Kiraly died. :em04:

  40. 40
    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    It should prove interesting. As with Jaybear, I have no intention of helping any of these people that voted bambi in. They will not enter my house, my car, nor will I ever trust them. They can go ask the guvment for help.
    Reap what you have sown…..dumb sons a bitches!!!!!

  41. 41
    markright says:

    Perhaps a preemptive “strike” is in order…..

    Please put Independent Individualist in your browser and look at the series of entries titled “Second
    American Revolution” (Parts 1,2 & 3).

    The author separates citizens into 2 classes: Producers and Parasites. (Career politicians are included
    in the parasite class)

    Producers strike until Parasites accept that they need us more than we need them…

    If you agree, notify same thinking friends and start organizing….I and my friends are game, but about 10%
    of the country needs to take part to be effective.

    What better place to organize and set a date than ‘Rot’?

  42. 42
    Mudshark says:

    Every day I watch and listen as the cowards and traitors seize more and more power. When but a child (1965) I read Schirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”. The similarities between then (1933) and now are frightening. They have no fear of the people and they do not seem to be worried about re-election. The best of our country are extended into a land-locked country on the other side of the world.

    How long before the internal enemies of this great republic institute a new “public service initiative” requiring a liberal-progressive controlled brown shirt militia to “persuade” other citizens to bow to their control? Will the military be forced to take a loyalty oath to the person currently holding the Presidency? Or will they be left hanging out to die in far-flung regions of the world? And the external enemies of the USA, will they pass up their shot at destroying this country?

    Our fathers and forefathers are calling out from their graves around the world, “Don’t let them destroy the country we fought and died for!” The Constitution deserves our best efforts. Be ye Yankee or Southern, Black or White, this country is the best chance of Freedom the world will ever get. Let us all band together and be ready for the coming troubles.

  43. 43
    Mudshark says:

    thanks to LC Draco for reminding me of another book, “The Bridge at Andau”, by Michener. It is a lot shorter than Schirer’s book and gets right to the point.

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    LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology says:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 sez:

    It should prove interesting. As with Jaybear, I have no intention of helping any of these people that voted bambi in. They will not enter my house, my car, nor will I ever trust them. They can go ask the guvment for help.
    Reap what you have sown…..dumb sons a bitches!!!!!

    I am sympathetic to these sentiments. However, my entire immediate family is comprised of fiddy-tooers, which places me in an unenviable position.

  45. 45
    LC Jon Imperial Hunter says:

    Do the math. The Tactical Equation of the Hundred Heads stipulates that, for each one of us they kill, one hundred of them will die.

    This means not just the thugs but their masters, the ones giving the orders. There are far more of us than there are of them. How long before they understand that they cannot retain power if they are dead? Being the nasty little corrupt, power mad narcissists and unbelieving, morally bankrupt secularists that they are, the one thing they fear more than anything else is the end of their wretched lives.

    They would fight to the last hired gun no doubt, but how far past how many dead Senators are they willing to continue? How many Party officials, Secretaries and Department heads?

    Do the math.

    Fulfill your Oath.

  46. 46
    LC Jon Imperial Hunter says:

    LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology sez:

    I am sympathetic to these sentiments. However, my entire immediate family is comprised of fiddy-tooers, which places me in an unenviable position.

    I suspect that many of us face a similar dilemma. Those who are clear of purpose, resolved to duty, and prepared will become leaders. When things are bad enough, many of those in question will come around and the rest will welcome leadership. As for the rest, they will earn the results of their decisions… as will we all.

    They that have ears to hear, let them hear, and eyes to see.

  47. 47
    LC Thresher says:

    LC Jon Imperial Hunter sez:

    Do the math. The Tactical Equation of the Hundred Heads stipulates that, for each one of us they kill, one hundred of them will die.

    This means not just the thugs but their masters, the ones giving the orders. There are far more of us than there are of them. How long before they understand that they cannot retain power if they are dead? Being the nasty little corrupt, power mad narcissists and unbelieving, morally bankrupt secularists that they are, the one thing they fear more than anything else is the end of their wretched lives.

    They would fight to the last hired gun no doubt, but how far past how many dead Senators are they willing to continue? How many Party officials, Secretaries and Department heads?

    Do the math.

    Fulfill your Oath.

    What the Hell is the Tactical Equation of the Hundred Heads?

  48. 48
    lc purple raider says:

    And that same election had Nixon being backed and funded by the Mafia.

    Sorry, Kennedy was the Mafia-backed candidate.

  49. 49
    LC Wil, S.C.E. says:

    IIRC, John’s father Joe had a relationship with the mafia back to when the family was making their fortune running booze in from Caniduh during prohibition.

  50. 50
    LC Wil, S.C.E. says:

    Sam Giancana and King Richard the First of Chicago handed the less than 9000 vote victory in Illinois to Kennedy. Richard Daley held ack the Chicago vote totals until after the rest of the state had reported so that they would know how many they needed to win. Kennedy “won” Cook County by 450,000 votes (~11 % of Chicago’s population). This was about 4 times the “victory” margin for the country as a whole.

    In Texas, vote fraud was blatant – one county (Fannin) there were 1200 more votes than registered voters. Surprisingly, this county went for Kennedy by 3 to 1. Hardly the only example. An one precinct of Angellina county, Kennedy received more votes than the adult population. When the Republican Party demanded a statewide recount, they discovered that the Elections Board of Texas (amazingly, all Democrats!) had already certified the state for Kennedy. Two days after the votes were cast.

    Apparently, the extra votes, unlike Chicago’s graveyard precincts, were undocumented mexican immigrants illegal aliens, and the most latant fraud was on the border.

    Thus began the story of ACORN . . .

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