Oh, and Just So’s Not to Let You Down

We mean, we already admitted to have browsed by Little Green Fartbubbles for your daily guffaws so you wouldn’t have to and then we didn’t give you anything, not even a morsel. How can we treat our loyal subjects so?

So, for your entertainment, we bring you the following quote from the Moron Lizard regarding Inhofe’s upcoming trip to Copenhagen to annoy the Glowbull Wormening Echo Chamber with actual facts:

Inhofe has consistently been one of the most dishonest anti-AGW figures on the Republican side. Now he’s actually going to try to subvert the Obama administration’s policies, on foreign soil. And it isn’t the first time he’s traveled overseas to embarrass America; he made a similar trip to Milan, Italy, in 2003.

There was a time when Republicans would have called this kind of thing “treason.”

Karolus Minus is, of course, referring to conservative objections to American politicians traveling abroad undermining the war effort. And, as always, the Champion of the Rubber Frog can’t seem to get his facts straight.

The reason those trips abroad were considered treason was that they were, for lack of a better word for it, treasonous. As in the definition of it in the Constitution. Providing aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States in a time of war. For the Sharmutas and Killgore Trouts in the crowd who are a bit slow on the uptake (but please don’t make fun of the retarded, it’s unseemly), the enemy referred to are the enemies we are at war with and the war referred to is the Long War.

Now, unless you’re calling Glowbull Wormening “deniers” “enemies of the United States” and you’re calling the Kneecapping Trade bill a “war”, then you’re clearly as much out of your gourds as your Lizard King.

Really. Mad King Charles just proclaimed his pride in being “hated” because he ranked #6 in Right Wing News’ “least favorite people on the right” poll. You’re not “hated”, Chucky. You’re funny. We’re just mocking you and you are, quite frankly, a laugh riot. We reserve hatred for those who might actually harm us, we wouldn’t dream of wasting it on court jesters.

Dance, little gecko, dance.

Thatisall.

46 comments

  1. 1
    Muzzy says:

    Charles Johnson wrote:

    Inhofe has consistently been one of the most dishonest anti-AGW figures on the Republican side. Now he’s actually going to try to subvert the Obama administration’s policies, on foreign soil. And it isn’t the first time he’s traveled overseas to embarrass America; he made a similar trip to Milan, Italy, in 2003.

    There was a time when Republicans would have called this kind of thing “treason.”

    I wouldn’t call Inhofe’s planned expedition treasonous. Then again, I wouldn’t necessarily deem overseas criticisms of a War President treasonous either. It would depend on the war, the President, the status of the objector and the location in which he chose to state his objections.

    I do, however, think Inhofe’s main motive for this trip is to generate publicity. I also think he’s going to be disseminating some pretty bad science while he’s out there.

    Dons flame retardant suit in preparation for yet another go on the climate change merry-go-round. 🙂

  2. 2
    lc purple raider says:

    Oh, Muzzie the Marxie, please show us the science, the absolute truth, the one and only science that will make us believe in global warming climate change the seasons.

    And I will call it a vat of shit, and it will still stink.

    And also, you communist twatwaffle, Inhofe is going to speak against your so-called science, not against any war.

    But, hey, leave it to a socialist shitstain like you to change the subject.

    Back on topic, a question, Sire?

    The similarities between the gecko and this particular lizard king is facinating?

    Could we be seeing Morrison’s love child?

  3. 3
    Muzzy says:

    Oh, Muzzie the Marxie, please show us the science, the absolute truth, the one and only science that will make us believe in global warming climate change the seasons.

    And I will call it a vat of shit, and it will still stink.

    With all due respect, I’m not trying to convince you. You’ve already admitted that you won’t consider what I have to say. If I post at all, it will be for people who haven’t perhaps made up their minds yet.

    And also, you communist…

    Calling someone a communist, ie. a sympathiser to an ideology which has led to hundreds of millions of innocent deaths, is a little different to calling someone a “twatwaffle” (whatever that is). The latter is just lazy flaming, de rigueur for the internet. The former is a serious accusation. If you’re going to slander me that way it’s really up to you to substantiate your statements. Otherwise, you should apologise and retract them.

    Inhofe is going to speak against your so-called science, not against any war.

    I know. I’ve got a fair idea of what arguments he’ll use as well. I’m preparing to be underwhelmed.

    Back on topic, a question, Sire?

    I thought climate change was the topic. I mean, I know the real thrust of the OP is what an idiot Charles Johnson supposedly is but underlying that is the implicit assumption that Inhofe will be fighting the good fight in Copenhagen rather than just spreading misinformation for what I suspect is just personal gain.

  4. 4
    Princess Natasha, Decadent Delicious Deviant says:

    This “climate change” is one hell of a money- scam, nothing more nothing less. Libtards can never actually produce anything of value, so instead they invent scams like this one, in order to get (not make) money. Charles No-Johnson is just another crass opportunist. When conservatism was, in his estimation, “trendy”, he cashed in on it. Now that leftards are in charge, he is there sucking the correct dicks again. Just another leftardian scammer. His blog became boring as all hell to read. Maybe he should take some pics of himself riding his sissy-ass Barbie bicycle without a seat and post those. Some freaks on the internet may be into self-sodomizing middle-aged fat dudes with ridiculous hairdos.

  5. 5
    LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion says:

    In regards to Muzzy’s (the ignorant communist slut) comment @ :

    Was that slander or libel? Stupid fucking Communist. Look it up and get back to me.

  6. 6
    Elephant Man says:

    Col. Muzzdrake sez:

    With all due respect, I’m not trying to convince you. You’ve already admitted that you won’t consider what I have to say. If I post at all, it will be for people who haven’t perhaps made up their minds yet.

    Nothing like a providing an example of leftist hypocrisy. It’s abundantly clear that you’ve admitted in your comment that you won’t consider what Inhofe is going to say even though he hasn’t said anything yet.

    Calling someone a communist, ie. a sympathiser to an ideology which has led to hundreds of millions of innocent deaths, is a little different to calling someone a “twatwaffle” (whatever that is). The latter is just lazy flaming, de rigueur for the internet. The former is a serious accusation. If you’re going to slander me that way it’s really up to you to substantiate your statements. Otherwise, you should apologise and retract them.

    Oh, stop whining. You’re making “Uncle Joe” spin in his grave. He’d had you shot for being such a twatwaffle.

    The moonbat meme that socialist/communist is the new “N word” doesn’t fly around here so good luck with getting that apology and retraction.

    I know. I’ve got a fair idea of what arguments he’ll use as well. I’m preparing to be underwhelmed.

    I think the same thing before I read any of your comments.

    Imagine that. :em01:

    I thought climate change was the topic. I mean, I know the real thrust of the OP is what an idiot Charles Johnson supposedly is but underlying that is the implicit assumption that Inhofe will be fighting the good fight in Copenhagen rather than just spreading misinformation for what I suspect is just personal gain.

    Chuckles would be proud of your efforts to defend his ravings of moonbat idiocy.

    If you continue to be a good little sycophant, maybe he’ll let you sniff his bicycle seat.

    He might even take a photo, post it on his blog and give you an autographed 8 x10 (suitable for framing)

    Why… he might even fart on it so you can “relive” the experience over and over! :em01:

  7. 7

    Muzzy sez:

    You’ve already admitted that you won’t consider what I have to say. If I post at all, it will be for people who haven’t perhaps made up their minds yet.

    Ain’t happenin’ here.

  8. 8
    LC Gonzman says:

    By all means, Muzzy, convince me. I will even post the goalposts – set in concrete – that you have to kick the ball through:

    In the seventies the crisis was “The imminent and coming new Ice Age!” Then the chicken-littleism du jour became “Global warming” with the prophecies of doom, melting ice caps, rising seas (Which is a contradiction, as a glass of frozen water has a higher level than melted water), deserts where verdant fields once were, etc – and then there was the backtrack to “Er – well – um – Climate Change! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” when the evidence showed a trend towards cooling.

    So there’s one – why should it be believed that the alarmist mind is made up?

    Second – Demonstrate, sil vous plait, causation. These should be falsifiable, with evidences of how they would be falsifiable, and predictive. In that vein, you should also be able to demonstrate – and predict – the reversal of such trends. IOW, real, hard, science.

    You may begin now.

  9. 9
    LC Ranger 6, Imperial Wielder of The Rove says:

    I also think he’s going to be disseminating some pretty bad science while he’s out there.

    Present your credentials to make this statement or shut the fuck up.

  10. 10
    Muzzy says:

    Elephant Man wrote:

    It’s abundantly clear that you’ve admitted in your comment that you won’t consider what Inhofe is going to say even though he hasn’t said anything yet.

    Are you sure you quoted the right segment of my post? All I was saying in the quoted line was that I wasn’t going to bend over backwards trying to convince lc purple raider that the climate skeptics are misguided. Re-read his post. He said, unequivocally and without embarrassment, how he would greet any evidence I provided. He said:

    “I will call it a vat of shit, and it will still stink.”

    Contrast this with what I said about Inhofe. All I said about Inhofe was that (quoting myself) “I think he’s going to be disseminating some pretty bad science while he’s [in Copenhagen].” and that I was “Prepar[ing] to be underwhelmed”. I say this based on my familiarity with previous statements he’s made on climate change wherein he’s merely repeated the same old skeptic tropes which have already been debunked ad nauseum.

    By your logic lc purple raider is the hypocrite, not me.

    The moonbat meme that socialist/communist is the new “N word” doesn’t fly around here so good luck with getting that apology and retraction.

    I’m not familiar with any such meme, and I’m not attempting to perpetuate it here. I am, however, concerned about the current practise of some on the right to use the word “Communist” to shut down discussion. More and more it seems like some people here are using words like “Communist” to mean “Anyone with an opinion I don’t like, or anyone I don’t like with an opinion”. Words mean things, and if purple raider thinks I’m a communist he shouldn’t have any trouble backing up his accusation with evidence.

    Chuckles would be proud of your efforts to defend his ravings of moonbat idiocy.

    I’m not here to defend Charles Johnson.

  11. 11
    lc purple raider says:

    From 2007, the Worst of Muzzie:

    Oh, and while I’m at it, fuck the Swift Boat Veterans and the maggot ridden horses they were fucking on the ride in. Bunch of lying-assed, agenda pushing motherfuckers.

    I can bring you more, you leave enough droppings around here defending your precious Hellcare, but I though this quote brought out the true essence of a communist tool.

    Otherwise, you should apologise and retract them.

    When pigs fly in Mecca.

  12. 12
    LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion says:

    In regards to lc purple raider’s comment @ :

    Boy LCPR I hope you got a hella good Attorney …..cause Muzzy (the ignorant communist slut) gonna get ya for slander! :em01:

  13. 13
    LC Gunsniper says:

    Charles Johnson is nothing but a bike riding Bill Maher clone with even less wit and intelligence.

  14. 14
    Muzzy says:

    L.C. Gonzman wrote:

    In the seventies the crisis was “The imminent and coming new Ice Age!”

    This is a reasonable point. There were some people in positions of authority who made predictions in the ’70s that the world was going to enter a period of drastic cooling and then….nothing. Obviously, the question “Why should we believe them now” is a fair one.

    However, your objection is based on a mistaken assumption. That being that the scale of the concern about “Global Cooling” in the ’70s is about the same size as the scale of the concern about anthropogenic global warming (AGW, from here on in) today. That is simply not the case.

    Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause, and it will worsen unless we reduce emissions.

    Back in the ’70s, you didn’t have anything like that. The number of scientific papers published in peer reviewed journals which strongly argued that a new ice age was imminent was vanishingly small. The popular press made a great big fuss about global cooling, and that frightened a lot of people but, as the recent hysteria over swine flu shows, the fact that a subject gets a lot of column inches doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a big deal.

    In short, the vast majority of scientists back in the ’70s never believed that we were in danger from global cooling. If you don’t believe me, look for yourself. I doubt you’ll find even a dozen peer-reviewed articles from that entire decade arguing that a new ice-age was imminent.

    Nobody will ever be able to make a similar claim about AGW in 30 years. Nowadays, every peer-reviewed journal of the natural sciences is replete with articles demonstrating new evidence for AGW. The two simply aren’t comparable.

    Then the chicken-littleism du jour became “Global warming” with the prophecies of doom, melting ice caps, rising seas (Which is a contradiction, as a glass of frozen water has a higher level than melted water), deserts where verdant fields once were, etc – and then there was the backtrack to “Er – well – um – Climate Change!

    Using the term “Climate Change” instead of “Global Warming” isn’t a backtrack. It’s just a way to be more precise. The arguments haven’t really changed over the last few years.

    Second – Demonstrate, sil vous plait, causation. These should be falsifiable, with evidences of how they would be falsifiable, and predictive. In that vein, you should also be able to demonstrate – and predict – the reversal of such trends. IOW, real, hard, science.

    I’m sorry, you’ve lost me. Could you clarify what you mean by “causation”? The climate has lots of moving parts which all interact with one another to varying degrees. Which causal links do you want me to demonstrate?

  15. 15

    Quoth’d Muzzy:

    I do, however, think Inhofe’s main motive for this trip is to generate publicity. I also think he’s going to be disseminating some pretty bad science while he’s out there.

    You mean like the endless amounts of carbon-spewing junkets put on by the Socialists/Communists who have been pushing the Glow Bull Worming/One World Government agenda’s cart for the last couple of decades? If your mind is “open”, why haven’t you been at the forefront and pilloried the assnuggets of the IPCC, Teh Great Goreacle, James “Algore’s Sock Puppet” Hansen, et al, for their “bad sciencepseudo-science?

    Nothing that these charlatans-in-white-lab-coats have predicted for the last 20+ years has turned out to be true. NOTHING. NADA. ZILCH. ZERO. Their “Settled Science™” didn’t predict the 11-YEAR COOLING PERIOD that we’ve experienced since 1998. Their “Settled Science™”, which predicted that the Arctic would be “ICE-FREE” by 2013, was wrong. (The ice area is actually GROWING since a storm pattern-caused low several years ago.) The raw data that they used to come up with their long-term temperature trends has “mysteriously” disappeared, after they found out that their society-collapsing scam had been found out and was being challenged by those who wanted the evidence.

    Before you open your Socialist-indoctrinated piehole on Glow Bull Worming again, I’d strongly suggest that you go over to Watt’s Up With That? and start reading from the beginning. The Most Reverend Anthony and his esteemed colleagues have, in the short span of less than three years, destroyed each and every atom of credibility that the Gorebecile and his fellow fuckheads ever thought they had.

    If your mind is as “open” on Glow Bull Worming as you claim it to be, you’ll be purchasing an 18-wheeler and letting it idle, 24/7, after you’ve finished reading through the entire archives at WUWT.

    Now, don’t come back until you’ve finished your assignment.

  16. 16
    Muzzy says:

    lc purple raider

    I can bring you more, you leave enough droppings around here defending your precious Hellcare, but I though this quote brought out the true essence of a communist tool.

    Communism is a family of economic and political ideas geared toward establishing an egalitarian society based on common ownership and control of the means of production. What, exactly, do the Swifties have to do with anything. This is a clear example of you abusing the word Communism by using it as a euphamism for “Anyone with an opinion I don’t like, or anyone I don’t like with an opinion”.

    In other words, yes please! I would very much like you to bring more examples. I would, however, prefer that they were actually germane to Communism as opposed to random snippets that just happened to get your back up.

  17. 17
    Elephant Man says:

    Col. Muzzdrake sez:

    I’m not here to defend Charles Johnson.

    Sure you are.

    You’re doing it by trying to derail this thread into another global warming er, “climate change” debate.

    The topic of this thread is Charles “Frogger” Johnson’s hysterical bleating about Inhofe’s “treason” and his efforts to “subvert the Obama administration”.

    Much like your whimpering about being called a communist and a hypocrite.

    But keep trying though.

    I’m sure Charles’ offer to let you sniff his bicycle seat still stands.

    I don’t know if you’ll still get the “farted on” er, “imbued with Charles’ essence” 8×10 photo though…

    Your efforts thus far are leaving him a bit “underwhelmed”. :em01:

  18. 18
    Muzzy says:

    You’re doing it by trying to derail this thread into another global warming er, “climate change” debate.

    As I’ve explained, this isn’t really de-railing the thread considering that Inhofe is going to Copenhagen explicitly to have a climate change debate.

  19. 19

    Muzzy, after reading your comment that was just before mine, it’s clear that you’ve drunk deeply from the Klimate KoolAid® punchbowl. As I said my comment above, you really, REALLY need to go through and read the entire archives at WUWT before you show your ignorance on the subject… again.

    Also, when you’re done at WUWT, your follow-up assignment will be to go through and read the entire archives at Climate Audit.

    If, at that point, you’re still convinced that a trace gas (vital to ALL life on the planet), that makes up around 0.300% of the atmosphere, can overcome all of the other variables affecting the temperature of this little ball of dust, rock and water hurtling through the vastness of the universe, you really do need to just go kill yourself and rid the planet of your carbon footprint, once and for all. After all, it’d be for the good of Mother Gaia™.

  20. 20
    Muzzy says:

    Also, when you’re done at WUWT, your follow-up assignment will be to go through and read the entire archives at Climate Audit.

    I absolutely will 🙂 I’m a bit poorly at the moment so it’ll keep my mind active while I’m holed up in bed. Thanks.

    In return, however, you need to go check out the archives at http://www.realclimate.org. Deal?

  21. 21
    Elephant Man says:

    As I’ve explained, this isn’t really de-railing the thread considering that Inhofe is going to Copenhagen explicitly to have a climate change debate.

    Now you’re just being obtuse.

    As I’ve explained, this thread is about Charles Johnson’s idiotic ranting and raving about Inhofe’s trip to Copenhagen, not the trip itself.

    Keep up these lame attempts at derailing this thread, and Charles won’t even let you sniff his bicycle seat. :em01:

  22. 22

    I’ve read RealClimate enough to know that they’re some of the biggest bunch of lying, manipulating, Gorebecile-following good lil’ Socialists out there. They’re some of the Klimate KoolAid® drinkers who have been on the receiving end of the devastating destruction that has been wrought at WUWT & Climate Audit over the past few years. As a matter of fact, most of their traffic probably comes from those two sites!
    :em01: :em99: :em01: :em99:

    I hope you get to feeling better. If you guys across the pond had actually had a Summer this year, perhaps you wouldn’t be feeling so poorly? Where’s Glow Bull Worming™ when you really need it?
    :em93:

    Seriously, though, I hope you get to feeling better. :em03:

  23. 23
    lc purple raider says:

    Communism is a family of economic and political ideas geared toward establishing an egalitarian society based on common ownership and control of the means of production.

    No, Communism is a return to serfdom, where the power lies in the hands of the very few, the masses wait in lines for week-old bread, and secret police and informants are the norm.

    And there are enough praises from you for government Hellcare for me to call you a Communist.

    Your precious “climate change” is a good example of communism, make outlandish warnings about “we only have 10 years to do something”, create a “consensus”, issue dire warnings about ice melting and sea levels rising, and other such bullshit.

    Behind the scenes, a massive bureaucracy will rise up (run by the elites, of course) and issue all sorts of pronouncements “for the good of the people”.

    Sounds like Marxism to me.

  24. 24

    Muzzy sez:

    Communism is a family of economic and political ideas geared toward establishing an egalitarian society based on common ownership and control of the means of production.

    well, yes…..yes it is…..at least that’s how it’s defined in the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital and the other socialist propaganda that sing it’s praises. But in practice it is something much more sinister and deadly, responsible for countless genocides and wars and ruined nations and environments.

    and all this damage and ruination is prefaced by flowery optimistic prose, assuring the proletariat that this is all for their own good.

    so now you know why we students of authentic history and our brothers and sisters who have lived through the “utopia” of socialism don’t buy the false promises proclaimed by our trusted leaders……those of us who aren’t wearing blinders aren’t falling for the bullshit at all…..

    too bad that you do

  25. 25
    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Unmentioned is that communism destroys the human spirit, enslaving dreams, rendering one docile, or hateful, seeking refuge in either chemicals, the black market or larceny. An insidious affliction, granting absolute power to the few. Egalitarianism has been , is and always shall remain a myth. It does not exist. Our Founding Fathers shared the innate wisdom of balancing powers against one another, resulting in one of the oldest governments on the planet, also leading to the development of the most powerful, prosperous nation this planet has ever seen. Now under assault by the very same socialist mindset. Beware the siren song…….. Communism either ignores or denies basic human nature, our system government seeks to harness it.

  26. 26
    AyUaxe says:

    Yesu Kristus, please stop feeding the trolls–their flatulence is starting to waft through my screen! Lil Green Chuckie is more than worthy of derision, but his sad, sad slide into paranoia and addled leftism is best left in silence. Just thinking about what LGF was and what it’s become is depressing. The weather and the state of my old cars and old house are enough for me to be depressed about–I (and I suggest, we) don’t need more negative shite on our plates. Now back to my regularly scheduled utter lack of concern about CJ and maybe a coupla beers, since the range is already closed.

  27. 27
    LC PrimEviL says:

    *yawn* Charles who?

  28. 28
    Demosthenes says:

    This is priceless:

    Putting together such a record isn’t at all easy. Weather stations weren’t really designed to monitor global climate. Long-standing ones were usually established at points of commerce, which tend to grow into cities that induce spurious warming trends in their records. Trees grow up around thermometers and lower the afternoon temperature. Further, as documented by the University of Colorado’s Roger Pielke Sr., many of the stations themselves are placed in locations, such as in parking lots or near heat vents, where artificially high temperatures are bound to be recorded.

    So the weather data that go into the historical climate records that are required to verify models of global warming aren’t the original records at all. Jones and Wigley, however, weren’t specific about what was done to which station in order to produce their record, which, according to the IPCC, showed a warming of 0.6° +/– 0.2°C in the 20th century.

    Now begins the fun. Warwick Hughes, an Australian scientist, wondered where that “+/–” came from, so he politely wrote Phil Jones in early 2005, asking for the original data. Jones’s response to a fellow scientist attempting to replicate his work was, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?

    Reread that statement, for it is breathtaking in its anti-scientific thrust. In fact, the entire purpose of replication is to “try and find something wrong.” The ultimate objective of science is to do things so well that, indeed, nothing is wrong.

    The old “disappearing data sets” trick. Read the rest, it’s well worth it.

  29. 29

    Demosthenes, that’s also in the article that His Imperial Testicular Fortitudinalness™ posted about in the post that I linked to up there in comment #15. Reverend Anthony and his guys were all over that like a community whoreganizer from Odumbo’s APORN on an opportunity to help start an under-aged prostitute ring— IOW’s fast, hard and furious.
    :em01: :em99:
    See “The Dog Ate My Climate Data”, or something like that…

  30. 30
    Draven32 says:

    Gore-ball warming says “Its getting hot, its gonna get hotter!!!”

    As long as you freeze your temperature measurements at 1998, eleven years ago.

    Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause, and it will worsen unless we reduce emissions.

    And if you follow the money, most of the people making the ‘consensus’ are getting paid large amounts of money to ‘research anthropogenic climate change’. Why would they kill off their cash cow by not finding any?

    Nobody will ever be able to make a similar claim about AGW in 30 years. Nowadays, every peer-reviewed journal of the natural sciences is replete with articles demonstrating new evidence for AGW. The two simply aren’t comparable.

    Assuming we aren’t freezing our asses off in thirty years and laughing at them.

  31. 31
    seagoon says:

    For your amusement I saw this on the official China newsfeed…

    And on the 60th anniversary of the founding of the PRC.

    Pretty funny

  32. 32
    seagoon says:

    I may have been moderated, not sure.

    If I have been, and this ends up double post, sorry- but you folks need to see this

    ObaMao merchandise in China

    Too funny!

  33. 33
    Tyrmadris says:

    Communism is a family of economic and political ideas geared toward establishing an egalitarian society based on common ownership and control of the means of production.

    No, it’s not. That’s what it says on the tin, but the reality is far different.
    Communism is a purely hypothetical economic and political union that deceives those who follow it into believing it establishes an egalitarian society with common ownership and control while in REALITY existing as just another form of oligarchy that places real power and control into the hands of a few by denying the majority of a majority of their rights, especially over said ownership and production. The common citizen in a Communist state owns NOTHING. If anything, he is owned by the government. Just because those who desire to be in control of such a state happen to dress it up and make it sound pretty doesn’t mean it works. On a theoretical level, IF it worked the way it was advertised, it would be pretty nice, but it would require something far outside the bounds of reality… say an infinite power (and duration) source of energy equally accessible by all and some mattter of perfect, common energy-to-matter conversion. IE: Magic or really high Star Trek-esque technology, neither of which exist in reality.

    That being that the scale of the concern about “Global Cooling” in the ’70s is about the same size as the scale of the concern about anthropogenic global warming (AGW, from here on in) today.

    And this is a misconception on your part, because what you SAY is quite true, but what you MEANT is something different entirely. The scale of the CONCERN is quite different, much more inflated in modern times. But the reality of the THREAT is far, far overblown. But ‘concern’ does not translate into ‘actual level of threat’, it just translates into “an effective way of getting money from people who think the same way”.

    Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus

    Neat. So a lot of them agree. Doesn’t mean they are RIGHT. I could easily dredge up, say, Galileo, but I think the point stands. For that matter, as others have mentioned, if you follow the money trail, it’s easy to see why they agree.

    Nowadays, every peer-reviewed journal of the natural sciences is replete with articles demonstrating new evidence for AGW.

    They’re sure going to look silly down the line (if they don’t wipe out their archives to hide the fact) when they’re proven baseless by the reality around them. Not that the Earth cares what we do, it’s been around for a few billion years, it’s patient. It doesn’t really care what a few billion or trillion mud monkeys with delusions of grandeur think they can do, especially when a couple of volcanic eruptions put more of the feared gas into the air than all of human civilization.

    Using the term “Climate Change” instead of “Global Warming” isn’t a backtrack. It’s just a way to be more precise. The arguments haven’t really changed over the last few years.

    Wait, what? How is that more precise. “The climate is getting warmer!” (Global Warming, precise) VS “The climate is either getting warmer or colder, which is to say, it’s changing!” (Climate Change, imprecise… not to mention blatantly obvious… the climate changing, imagine that!)

    The climate has lots of moving parts which all interact with one another to varying degrees. Which causal links do you want me to demonstrate?

    I don’t know… the ones that say ONLY CO2 emissions by humans affect the entire climate in drastic ways that will bring doom and gloom to human civilization? You know, that one thing that incidentally is more important than every other singe interaction if AGW’s are to be believed?

    As I’ve explained, this isn’t really de-railing the thread considering that Inhofe is going to Copenhagen explicitly to have a climate change debate.

    I agree completely with Muzzy here.

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    LC Xystus says:

    In regards to seagoon’s comment @ :

    ObaMao merchandise in China

    Too funny!

    Dammit! Why didn’t I think of that? :em93:

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    seagoon says:

    Even Communist countries are getting over the whole Communist thing- China isn’t commie anymore, it’s just…. Chinese.

    A bunch of corrupt lying fatbastards in government colluding with their corrupt lying fatbastard cronies in business to stay in power and control the lives (and keep taking the money) of everyone else.

    It’s an amoral, hypercapitalistic dreamland wrapped up in the ‘justification’ of commie ideology.

    People don’t want to change the system, they just want to get on top of it.

    Just like in the old days. If you can take the money, take it. If you can get away without paying, don’t. If nobody will notice when you cut the quality or short the count, do it. The strong kick the weak, the weak toady to the strong, and EVERYONE will stab you in the back or rob you blind if they think its worth it.

    Jiayou Zhongguo! [/sarc]

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    Elephant Man says:

    I agree completely with Muzzy here.

    Ok…ok…ok.

    I’ll concede the point.

    I was just “twisting his tail” anyway.

    I just hope Muzzy gets over his cold so he can fully enjoy his “King Charles bicycle seat sniffing experience”. :em99:

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    Princess Natasha, Decadent Delicious Deviant says:

    You know, nothing angers me more than when people from civilized countries, who grew up enjoying all the benefits of freedom and capitalism, decide to defend or whitewash communism. I’ve been there, they haven’t. I lived in it, most of my life, they haven’t. I was not there as a visitor, I was a subject. And my definition of communism is so brief, it consists of just one word: slavery. That’s all it is, that’s all it will ever be. It is a system aimed at killing the soul, eradicating all vestiges of humanity in an individual.

    Neither the ones at the very top, nor the ones at the very bottom remain fully human. They all rot, mutate and become “Homo Sovieticus” to some degree. No one who had lived there for a considerable length of time is immune from it. All of us who grew up “over there” carry it, like a horrible dormant virus. Some of us managed to eradicate it, but the scars are still there. The damage, while invisible, is still there. And that is why, when some pampered Western “thinker” begins singing praises to communism, or even tries to downplay its evil, there is a sort of a short-circuit in my mind and I feel nothing but anger and hatred toward that person.
    To defend or whitewash such evil is inexcusable, because such evil makes the Biblical Devil look like an innocent schoolboy by comparison. At least the Devil gives one a choice, and is fair in choosing his souls!

    And spare me the usual “Well, in theory it’s wonderful, but people are so rotten, it doesn’t work as it should”. Fuck. You. For uttering the most anti-scientific, anti-intellectual statement ever! Because if theory does not work in reality, it is the theory that is rotten, not the reality. Revise the fucking theory, don’t call in the “revolutionary” goons to smash reality to bits because it does not fit the bullshit construct you pulled out of your (or Karl Marx’s) ass. If a theory has a 100% fail rate, as is the case with communism, it’s time to give it up. Check your premises. Change the hypothesis. Use the gott-damn scientific method, especially if you see yourself as “intellectual”.

    I am genuinely surprised that so many people still have their heads up their asses about this. To smell the coffee, you first need to pull your head out of the poop-chute. Communism is a scam. Socialism is a scam. If you really believe in these, you are a dumbass. If you know they don’t work but support them because you think you stand to gain something from it, you are a rotten, evil motherfucker and deserve the worst fate imaginable.

    I am done now. Sorry for the long rant.

    P.S. Muzzy, ya goofy Brit, get better soon. Drink some whiskey, it’ll do you good!

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    Anyone who says they’re a Communist or sympathize in that direction should pool their resources with 50 others like them, buy a big tract of land, and start a commune. Just do it and see if you can make it work without inflicting it on the rest of us. One happy Utopian village where everyone is entitled to a roof over their heads, health care, 3 meals a day, regular electricity, and a rationed allotment of fine beverages.

    Whoops, turns out you’re all going to starve unless you have enough people work the fields.

    Whoops, turns out that doctor won’t stay unless you can support him. If you can’t, maybe he’ll have to spend a few days a week somewhere else, that is if he doesn’t just entirely move out.

    Whoops, turns out that electricity won’t keep coming in unless you pay for it, meaning you’re going to have to produce something for the outside world. That’s all right, I’m sure at least 30 of you put down ‘Graphic Design and Web Page Layout’ in your skills. Should have no problem supporting a miniature society with that. :em01:

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    mjollnir6344 says:

    You’re not “hated”, Chucky. You’re funny. We’re just mocking you and you are, quite frankly, a laugh riot. We reserve hatred for those who might actually harm us, we wouldn’t dream of wasting it on court jesters.

    Dance, little gecko, dance.

    This just cracks me up! :em93:

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    Dragineez says:

    I wish I lived in Inhofe’s district so I could vote for him.

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    Dragineez says:

    Muzzy sez:

    I am, however, concerned about the current practise of some on the right to use the word “Communist” to shut down discussion. More and more it seems like some people here are using words like “Communist” to mean “Anyone with an opinion I don’t like, or anyone I don’t like with an opinion”.

    I am, however, concerned about the current practise [sic] of some on the left right to use the word “Racist” “Communist” to shut down discussion. More and more it seems like some people on Daily Kos here are using words like “Racist” “Communist” to mean “Anyone with an opinion I don’t like, or anyone I don’t like with an opinion”.

    So, you don’t like a label being inappropriately applied to you as a vituperative argument device to silence debate. Welcome to the club.

    “Replete with new evidence of AGW..? You have GOT to be kidding me. Perhaps the reason for that is because dissenting opinions are quashed.

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    Physics Geek says:

    Watching Charles recently, I’ve come to the conclusion that he should be put into a wraparound jacket and placed gently into a padded cell for his own safety so that he can continue writing “Kill Clouseau” with his toes.

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    LC George,

    Should have no problem supporting a miniature society with that.

    Considering their combined skills, rules of acquisition, and general work ethics, I suggest they continue doing what they’re best at.

    Prostitution.

    They’ve shown a profound talent at ‘tuting their offices’s, their budgets, their connections, it’s a gift.

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    LC Ogrrre says:

    In regards to Dragineez’s comment @ 40:
    I do, I have, and I will. :em93:

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    LC Ogrrre says:

    Inhofe has consistently been one of the most dishonest anti-AGW figures on the Republican side

    Translation: Inhofe consistenly presents the other side of the argument after the AGW side has done everything in their power to censor the information.

    Now he’s actually going to try to subvert the Obama administration’s policies, on foreign soil

    Translation: Now Inhofe will present this information in an international forum, not unlike the IPCC. This presentation will contradict the lies that Gore, Obama, Clinton, Hansen, et al have been advocating and thereby possibly spoil the Ponzi scheme that Gore has engaged in, and possibly spoil the power grab by the AGW false prophets.

    And it isn’t the first time he’s traveled overseas to embarrass America; he made a similar trip to Milan, Italy, in 2003

    Translation: This isn’t the first time he’s traveled overseas and embarrassed the Commucrats by presenting facts and arguments that exposed the religion of AGW for what it is.

    There was a time when Republicans would have called this kind of thing “treason.”

    Translation: Although, Inhofe is not providing aid and comfort to a combatant enemy during a time of war, he is ruining our chances of taxing the United States of America into a third world country, and we can’t have that.

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    useless says:

    Can’t remember the last time I posted here… Sorry, I have been working 60+ hrs per week to keep my job (FAIL… they laid off the whole office)…so…. I now have time to post. Yay! Now I’m looking for a one year MOB in Iraq or Afganistan.

    That said I lament the fall of LGF, and have enjoyed the improved quality of Teh Rott. I noticed after He was crowned king of all earth and the jews, Mr. Johnson seems to have have it in for Christians and those spineless fish species call Republicans. Now that I have more time, for a while, i’ll try to do some half way decent trolling.

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