Upholding Their Oath

Thanks to a tip from LC Subotai Bahadur.

Short story: The (p)Resident of Honduras, Manual Zelaya, decided that it wasn’t really fair that His Own Magnificent Self should be limited by his country’s Constitutional term limits, so he ordered a referendum held to extend his reign.

The Supreme Court held that he was full of shit in trying to rewrite the Constitution to fit his own needs (who does that remind us of again?) and issued a court order ordering the whole un-constitutional mess stopped, post haste. Apparently Zelaya didn’t like that, so the Armed Forces stepped up, true to their oath, and arrested the motherfucker.

Full, detailed coverage over at LC & IB Fausta’s.

A Supreme Court actually upholding the Constitution it’s sworn to protect and a military stepping up to the plate in accordance with their Oath?

How… Inspiring… Somebody needs to be taking notes here.

33 comments

  1. 1
    LC FreedomFighter says:

    HA HA FOIST! AGAIN!

    Thats assuming that fucks in D.C. now dont change the constitution. The military will be on our side one way or the other, but they’ll think twice for sure b4 commiting to us when the Constitution NOW would allow more that 2 terms. Sworn to Defend it even if it’s changed? Doesn’t really say anything about that during our oath.

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    ALConfederate says:

    Yeah, but you didn’t say noffin’.

    President Barack Obama is calling for all sides in Honduras to respect democracy and the rule of law…

    Somebody remind him of that in a few months, will ya?

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    Yeah OBimbo is getting nervous…

    President Barack Obama said he was “deeply concerned” by the Sunday morning detention of the Central American president.

    He’s not too happy watching someone get their ass handed to them for doing EXACTLY what he’s planning to do to us.

    Pay attention Shithead-in-Chief…Don’t count on the Military to suck your dick when you attempt to become King.

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    LC Subotai Bahadur says:

    If I may beg His Majesty’s indulgence again, I will offer something I wrote earlier on BELMONT CLUB. I tend to write immediately when I find out about something. Kind of a fault of mine, and no slight intended to the Empire.

    12. Subotai Bahadur:

    Buraq Hussein Obama’s foreign policy course in this issue is both obvious and as usual driven not by US interests and law; but rather by ideology and pure personal self interest.

    Being an ally of Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is a first order data point [rebuttable by further data. I admit that I am far from an attentive viewer of Central American politics.] indicative that ex-President Manuel Zelaya is a Leftist, if not an outright Marxist. That makes him an ideological ally of Obama. If Buraq’s fist-bump buddy wants to oust the Honduran government to re-install a Leftist trying to seize power; Buraq will naturally tend to want to help him achieve that goal.

    But the tipping point is reached when you consider how this incident relates to Buraq himself. Consider:

    1) We have a Constitution that places explicit limits on the power of the president.

    2) The president deliberately and openly flouts the Constitution and attempts to set himself in power, functionally indefinitely; although the implicit promise in what he says is that he only wants one more term.

    3) The Honduran Congress, like Congresses everywhere, when faced with having to make a real decision that could have real consequences for them [If they oppose him and he wins, they get stood in front of a wall. If they support him and he wins, they become surplus and eventually will be stood against a wall. If he loses either with or without their support, there is the prospect of a civil war supported by Cuba and /or Venezuela that will have the typical savagery of Marxist insurgencies in Latin America, in which case both sides will be trying to kill them. There is no prospect of the United States assisting in supporting the rule of law, which no longer exists in the US itself.] are doing the “Three Monkeys” tactic; hearing, seeing, and speaking no evil.

    4) The Honduran Supreme Court, which apparently has a far higher testosterone count than ours, has ruled that Zelaya’s attempt to continue to hold power is an explicit violation of their Constitution and says he can’t.

    5) Zelaya ignored that ruling and was proceeding to seize power.

    6) The Honduran military, whose Oath is to their Constitution, has removed him from power for that violation. It was not done ideally, from my point of view; because I think the rule of law would have been better served by bringing him to trial either before preferably the Supreme Court, or a military tribunal to convict him of treason and have him pay the penalty. Far less ideally, he could have been just executed. Releasing him to foment trouble is a poor long term compromise.

    Consider this from Buraq’s point of view.

    A president massively and openly violates his country’s Constitution, and the military honors its Oath to preserve, protect , and defend that Constitution. That is an existential threat to The One and all he stands for.

    What we will likely see is US diplomatic, military, and economic pressure to bring Zelaya back to power on his own terms. If that fails or concurrently with that effort, we will see behind the scenes support for a Leftist insurgency sponsored by Venezuela and/or Cuba to bring about that end. [Think of the “opportunity” to atone for past US “sins” against those countries; as our media will express it if they are allowed to mention it.]

    It is within the realm of conception, but not of a high order of probability, that we will see US forces on the streets of Tegucigalpa protecting Zelaya’s return.

    Our military also swears its Oath; not to president, Party, or ideology, but to the United States Constitution. That Oath contains the positive duty to Preserve, Protect, and Defend that Constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic. Ain’t much wiggle room there.

    I would hope that a number of officers and enlisted personnel are watching this and taking a lesson as to their duty in the uttermost extremity. I’m pretty sure that at least one I know of is.

    Subotai Bahadur
    Jun 28, 2009 – 11:18 am

    It has been noted elsewhere that Chavez does not have direct access to move forces to Honduras. I admit I have a sick imagination and I think the worst of most people, but I can surely see “Teh One” ordering USS NEW YORK LPD-21 [the ship with part of the steel from the WTC in her bow stem *] to ferry Venezuelan “Peacekeepers” to Honduras right after she commissions on November 7.

    It would fit his view of the country, its people, the military, and the war.

    * http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/u/ussnewyork.htm

    LC Subotai Bahadur

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    LC Subotai Bahadur sez:

    It has been noted elsewhere that Chavez does not have direct access to move forces to Honduras.

    Rumors are a’floatin that Zelaya was flown to Venezuela.

    it will be more interesting to see how many ice cream runs president burqa obama makes during this “test”.

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    LC Ranger 6, Imperial Wielder of The Rove says:

    Full, detailed coverage over at LC & IB Fausta’s.

    You know the whole Honduras thing is interesting and all, but that link at the top right hand corner of Fausta’s blog that reads “Lingerie” made it damn near impossible to concentrate on the story.

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    LC Rurik says:

    Ha! So who’s the banana republic now? No more jokes about Honduras, so long as our government can’t measure up to theirs.

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    LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion says:

    Im thinking now is an EXCELLENT time for Baraq to announce that he’s really really going to need three terms to ensure that his “policies” come to full fruition.

    You can bet your ass the Joint Chiefs and the Supremes are watching closely.

    They are voting on legislation they dont even bother to read, they are turning thier phones off. Look at the position they have taken on Honduras…

    Heeelllllloooooooo…….US Military….. might as well act now…. and save us the wait….

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    Terrapod says:

    Don’t hold your breath on that guys. I work with Generals and lesser ranks in several countries and Honduras is an exception. There both the supreme court and the military upheld their oaths and abided by the constitution.

    I see too many politicians, justices and generals that are purely plolitical animals and don’t put much attention to the consitutution at all. it is purely “what is in it for me” and who do you know that has clout.

    Look at our own supreme court. If anything they would go 5 to 4 against the constitution to protect their boy Obambi.

    If it comes to shove, I sure hope our military will uphold their oath and clean out all the treasonous SOB’s and DOB’s that infest the political class in this country. My worry is that our military has been so dutiful to the concept of “no action inside US territory” that they will be afraid to act.

    QED

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    ColLionelMandrake says:

    Hooray! Let’s all support a military coup! Of course, the first thing they will do is suspend habeas corpus, then begin confiscating firearms … but not from Rotties, oh no. Just from those darn lefties. As long as you pledge your oath to the new ruling junta, they will let you keep your squirrel guns. You know, so you can feed your family as all transportation workers, farmers, and manufacturing workers go on strike.

    How ’bout let’s do this – let’s work to preserve the existing institutions: rule of law, separation of powers, respect for ALL parts of the Constitution, including the 1st, 2nd, 4th AND 5th amendments.

    President Obama was lawfully elected with a plurality of the the electorate AND and landslide of the electoral college. However, the Supreme Court is basically conservative, and the Congress, despite the overwhelming majority of Democrats (you know, those who belong to the Democratic Party), has already proven it won’t act as a rubber stamp for the President’s agenda (unlike the Republican Majority during G.W. Bush’s reign).

    Chill out, people. The last country we want to emulate is HONDURAS!

    Oh, and I don’t know how Honduran electoral processes works, but it seems like Zelaya was trying to change his country’s constitution legally with a public referendum, just as the Prop 8 supporters in California legally changed their constitution … with a simple majority (weird, but legal!).

    Rule of law, people. Not coups, not juntas.

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    LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion says:

    with all respect, Zelaya was trying to have a “referendum” that was not allowable by thier Constitution, Im pretty sure it was the one about you cant initiate one within 180 days before / after a election. The MAJORITY of the Congress disapproved, The Supreme Court upheld the Constitution, When Zelaya ordered a General to distribute voting material and the General refused, he fired the General. The Supreme Court ordered the General re-instated. When he wasnt the Sec DEF and Air Force Gen resigned.

    So Im thinking there isnt that much commonality with the Prop 8 scenario..

    How much time do you think we have to utilize the Rule of Law to address our internal issues? The enemy controls the majority media, the legislature, and the money. They are appointing thier Judges……. is it possible you have over estimated the amount of time available to use the system for correction?

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    LC Ranger 6, Imperial Wielder of The Rove says:

    How much time do you think we have to utilize the Rule of Law to address our internal issues? The enemy controls the majority media, the legislature, and the money. They are appointing thier Judges……. is it possible you have over estimated the amount of time available to use the system for correction?

    Not to mention all these “Czars” that are completely outside your vaunted “checks and balances”. If you think obambi is going to voluntarily give up power that has been proscribed to him over a period of years planning exactly this sort of government takeover please stop Bogarting the joint.

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    ColLionelMandrake sez:

    President Obama was lawfully elected with a plurality of the the electorate AND and landslide of the electoral college.

    There are some questions about that, that is the “lawful” part. Of course, we’ll never know now that Conyers, the slimy turd in charge of “investigating” ACORN, er, COI, suddenly decided that “the powers that be” had lost all interest in looking into that matter, oddly enough at the exact same time that his bitch was found guilty of corruption and facing a long, long prison term unless something could be “worked out.”

    “Worked out” with the “president” who is already known for illegally (according to a law he himself sponsored) firing IGs who get too close to uncovering felonies by his friends.

    The “president” who still is spending millions of dollars refusing to reveal a document that would cost him all of a sawbuck to produce, thus ending all discussion about it.

    I don’t know what he’s hiding, nobody does, but I worked long enough in the field to know that he’s hiding something. Either that, or he’s clinically insane, in which case he’s also not fit for office.

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    LC Rurik says:

    Col LionelMandrake, has some wise words of caution. Our founding fathers also were cautious and very hesitant before making their final break with royal aouthority.
    However, sometimems it is necessary to make the leapas they eventually recognized.

    I remain skeptical about lawful formalism. Everything Hitler did was lawful, from the Enabling Act of 1933. Lenin and Stalin also approached that lawful criterion, if not quite as closely. What the mullahs have been doing also meet the lawful test. It is necessary not only that we obey the laws, but also that the laws be reasonable, and applied in a dispassionate and even-handed manner, or the civil contract is off. The entire Civil Rights era was predicated on the principle of civil disobedience of lawful but unjust laws. For that matter, The Organized Left, peace left, Gencder Left, Climate and Eco Left, and other branches, has speciailzed in breaking lawful laws, they consider unjust or unwise.

    Teh One may have been elected legally, by formalistic standards, but the elections themselves stank. From the tactics which dethroned would-be Queen Hillary, to the hijacking and rigging of the GOP primaries, to the massive financial corruption via illegal foreign money, to even more massive corruption of voter registration and voting by ACORN, to voter indimidation through threats of riots and thugs at poling places, to name but a few lowlights. Since then we have seen nothing but a continuous series of instances to compromise the constitutional and legislative processes. Last Nobember he said he intended to rule rather than to govern, and everything he has done so far shows he did not misspeak.

    Of course government by a military junta is undesirable, as the Col. properly pointed out. But rule by a civilian junta will be not one whit better. In the intermediate term, the Civilian Junta probably would prove far worse; just wait till they empower their Civilian National Security Posse.
    Franco came to power afeter a traumatic civil war, but restored order and allowed a return, at least of ordinary daily life. And Eventually he made provision for a restoration of civil government under a liberal monarchy. Likewise, Pinochet ruled as a dictator, but uiltimately voluntarily restored power to a civilian government. I am not aware of any instance in which a marxist ruler has voluntarily returned power.

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    LC Rurik says:

    For those of you who want some news through the prism of somebody with a background in Central America, I suggest you go over and see what my friend Jonn Lilyea has to say over at This Ain’t Hell, and again at Blame-storming Honduras. Jonn is a retired Army senior NCO, who grew up in Central America and has spent considerable time there.

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    LC Subotai Bahadur says:

    #10 ColLionelMandrake

    LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion and Emperor Misha I seem to have handled your points already, so I will confine myself to an historical footnote.

    While in those few real Civics classes remaining, students are exposed to the system of checks and balances implied by our separation of powers [and I note that said separation is honored more in the breach than the observance since January 20, 2009 since pretty much all of Buraq Hussein’s decrees have no statutory backing, nor do most of the expeditures of funds.]; the ultimate check and balance in the system was always considered by the Founding Fathers to be a population in arms. Short form, check the Federalist Papers.

    The definition of Militia, in Title 10 of the current US Code, declares the “Unorganized Militia of the United States” as being all male US citizens and those who have formally declared an intent to become citizens, NOT employed by the Federal Government and not in the Organized Militia [National Guard and Reserves] between certain ages. Since then, the age and gender strictures have been modified by other statutes so as to functionally remove them. As noted by the Federalist, and numerous other statements by the Founders; in the event that the central government became tyranical that the militia was expected to “rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. …” to restore freedom.

    Armed resistance to a government that has burst the limits of the Constitution was envisaged from the very ratification of the Constitution. Add to that, the required Oath for all members of the armed forces [except the National Guard, which inserts additional language requiring obedience to the state governor too]:

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

    The regulations and the UCMJ referred to make specific demands that it is the positive duty to refuse to obey orders contrary to the Constitution, statute, or international treaty to which the US is a party.

    If the central government violates the Constitution, it is the positive duty under their most sacred Oath and law — not to be taken lightly in any sense or construction — of the military to take the actions necessary to support and defend it.

    We are not speaking of transient disagreements. But if the central government deliberately acts in violation of the Constitution; in direst necessity the people and the military must take a stand. There is no hard and fast blueprint as to when the moment will come. When it does, it will be known without doubt; at least by most.

    As far as denigrating the Hondurans as a bad example; this is perhaps the first time we have been able to point to Honduras as an exemplar. However, their military did everything right. They followed their Constitution and especially chose to follow it instead of the traditional Latin American strongman model. They deserve honor and praise. I think most here in the Empire [with a few notable and known exceptions] are willing to grant it to them.

    ****************

    On another note, in a previous thread, which you may have missed; I asked if by chance you were related to or were someone who used to blog as “Group Captain Lionel Mandrake” at ACROSS THE ATLANTIC? Just curious.

    LC Subotai Bahadur

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Most enlightening Subotai. Thank you. I may be considered too old, being fifty-six, not the man I used to be. But I shoot better now than I did then, I got more of a ‘tude now than I did then, and I’ll bring my own gun……or help a younger man load his…..

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    LC Jon Imperial Hunter says:

    I’m ten years older, Kent, and I’ll be there. Age and guile beat young and dumb every time!! I shoot a lot better, am far better armed and I can fix about any firearm… gunsmith by trade, among others.

    Subotai, I remain in awe. Thanks for continuing to share your insights with us.

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    harleycowboy says:

    Kudos to the Hondurna military!!! DUH One should pay attention.

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    LC FreedomFighter says:

    Support from the Front or Support From the Rear is still Support. And as far as im concerned with the Supposed “Col.” well I dont believe he’s heard the quote from Thomas Jefferson…

    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

    Dont like that one try this…

    “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.”

    That was also from Jefferson…If the Man who wrote our Constitution can say such things as this then why would we not listen? Everything we hold dear as AMERICANS is due almost exclusivly to revolution of some kind. Weather it be Physical, Ideological, or educational. Its because of men like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin, ALL who had the Spirt of REVOLUTION in their hearts who made this country. Who hated the Idea of Tyranny of ANY kind including a “soft Tyranny.” Tyranny by any name is still despotism of the people in some manner. So should we “Risk” losing our institutions in-order to accomplish a coup’? YES. In all actuallity there will be little to no effect to the structure of the country. Just look what happend when JFK was killed. People morned, thats about it. Thats the great thing about Capitalism, it will Adapt, It will Improvise, and it will Overcome. There can be no great reward without great risk.

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    LC FreedomFighter says:

    Jon says:

    gunsmith by trade,

    OT but important to my arsenal….How would you affix a rifle scope to a Mannlicher Carcano converted to 8mm.

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    Eyas says:

    Others have addressed other parts, but …

    ColLionelMandrake sez:

    the Supreme Court is basically conservative

    Um, …. o.k.

    I guess I’m just not sure what math you’re using, or whether you count Kennedy as a conservative. I suppose I’ll have to get used to calling Kennedy a strict constructionist.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:

    A big WELL DONE to the Honduran Supreme court and military.
    Ladies and gentlemen, and the rest of you LC’s too, I suggest that we work on our Spanish. It appears that Honduras will be a place of refuge if worst comes to worst.

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    LC FreedomFighter says:

    Its pricy but Im lookin into the Rosetta Stone for that…and Russian….and Chinese….and Farse…..in that order.

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    Elephant Man says:

    OT but this is my kind of church. 😀

    Pastor tells flock to bring guns to church

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    “The idea of wearing guns to churches or any sacred space I think many people find deeply troubling,” said organiser Terry Taylor.

    Guess he finds the scriptures that tell that the Apostles carried swords deeply troubling to.

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    readerjp says:

    I just heard on the news that Secretary of State Clinton says Obama is VERY concerned about the situation, and that American diplomats are looking into getting Zelaya back safely.

    I wanted to throw up.

    First of all, Zelaya is lucky they didn’t kill him as they usually do in these banana republics.

    Second, why does Obama ALWAYS side with the tyrants?

    This does not augur well for our future.

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    LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:

    You can bet your ass the Joint Chiefs and the Supremes are watching closely.

    I certainly fucking hope so.
    LC Subotai Bahadur sez:

    I would hope that a number of officers and enlisted personnel are watching this and taking a lesson as to their duty in the uttermost extremity. I’m pretty sure that at least one I know of is.

    C’est MOI! I don’t know who else you may have been speaking of. As I said elsewhere, To prepare for revolution is NOT sedition if it is for the rescue of a nation from an illegitimate government.
    Terrapod sez:

    If it comes to shove, I sure hope our military will uphold their oath and clean out all the treasonous SOB’s and DOB’s that infest the political class in this country. My worry is that our military has been so dutiful to the concept of “no action inside US territory” that they will be afraid to act.

    The fact remains, the Oath is to the Constitution, not the political party or the supposedly elected official.
    ColLionelMandrake sez:

    President Obama was lawfully elected with a plurality of the the electorate AND and landslide of the electoral college.

    Was he? When there are records of more votes than people in numerous precincts? Was he really?
    Fuck. I’m only up to 10 of 28. Fact is, you know and I know that he’s fucking dirty. We also know that this is bullshit, and that it is time to restore the Constitution to its rightful place as the SUPREME law of the land. Way PAST time, actually.

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    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery sez:

    it will be more interesting to see how many ice cream runs president burqa obama makes during this “test”.

    Maybe it’s a taco run this time.

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    espite the overwhelming majority of Democrats (you know, those who belong to the Democratic Party), has already proven it won’t act as a rubber stamp for the President’s agenda (unlike the Republican Majority during G.W. Bush’s reign).

    And what do you have to back this up? Remember the so-called “stimulus” bill? Remember this new Global Warming bill? How about this new health care bill?

    NONE of the congresscritters READ any of those. They have not read the health care bill, either, nor will they, I suspect.They simply voted on them because Obama/Pelosi/Reid TOLD THEM to.

    That’s not rubber-stamping his agenda? Then tell me what WOULD be…

    And since you insist on Democratic, I will simply write it as democrat or democrat(ick).

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    AgTiger says:

    *sighs* Here it is, and you just knew it was coming: Obama says Honduran ouster was ‘not legal’

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    Their Constitution says specifically what to do in the exact case that occurred. So they did it. And this stupid piece of communist dreck wants to interfere. This was a democratic republic that wanted to follow their own rules. There is a big difference between the people being beaten by their government faking honest elections, and blatant violations of said nations written law smack out in front of the rest of the Earth.

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