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Lunches seized from kids in debt at Salt Lake City elementary

By lisa schencker

Up to 40 kids at Uintah Elementary in Salt Lake City picked up their lunches Tuesday, then watched as the meals were taken and thrown away because of outstanding balances on their accounts — a move that shocked and angered parents.”It was pretty traumatic and humiliating,” said Erica Lukes, whose 11-year-old daughter had her cafeteria lunch taken from her as she stood in line Tuesday at Uintah Elementary School, 1571 E. 1300 South.Lukes said as far as she knew, she was all paid up. “I think it’s despicable,” she said. “These are young children that shouldn’t be punished or humiliated for something the parents obviously need to clear up.”

Jason Olsen, a Salt Lake City District spokesman, said the district’s child-nutrition department became aware that Uintah had a large number of students who owed money for lunches.As a result, the child-nutrition manager visited the school and decided to withhold lunches to deal with the issue, he said. But cafeteria workers weren’t able to see which children owed money until they had already received lunches, Olsen explained.

The workers then took those lunches from the students and threw them away, he said, because once food is served to one student it can’t be served to another Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead.Olsen said school officials told the district that their staffers typically tell students about any balances as they go through the lunch line and send home notifications to parents each week.

The district attempted to contact parents with balances via phone Monday and Tuesday, Olsen said, but weren’t able to reach them all before the child-nutrition manager decided to take away the students’ lunches.“Something’s not working, and that’s what the school and child-nutrition department are going to work on together,” Olsen said of the notifications.He said there’s no plan to use the same tactic at other district schools.

    YA THINK???????????????????- B

“This can be easily prevented,” Olsen said. “We need to make sure proper notification goes out to the parents and they have time to put money in the accounts.”But Olsen said he would not describe the tactic as a mistake.”If students were humiliated and upset,” Olsen said, “that’s very unfortunate and not what we wanted to happen.”

    If?? IF?????????????????????????

– B

However, after further investigation, Olsen released an updated statement that was also posted to the district’s Facebook page. It said: “This situation could have and should have been handled in a different manner. We apologize.” The post adds: “We understand the feelings of upset parents and students who say this was an embarrassing and humiliating situation. We again apologize and commit to working with parents in rectifying this situation and to ensuring students are never treated in this manner again.”

Olsen said it’s standard in the district to give kids fruit and milk in lieu of lunch if they don’t have the money to pay for lunch.He said it’s unclear how Uintah had been handling such situations before this week. Attempts to reach Uintah’s principal were unsuccessful.Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. He said the software for the system is new this year, though it’s not much different than the old one.Lukes said she never received a notification that her daughter would have her lunch taken.

She said it was a difficult day for her daughter and other kids. She said her daughter told her one of the cafeteria workers cried at the sight. And her daughter’s best friend was so upset that she went home Tuesday night and made lunches for all the students who had theirs taken, she said. “You would think in a public school system your child wouldn’t be turned away from lunch,” Lukes said, “especially when people usually settle their balances.”

No word as to whether or not the braindead sonofabitch that gave this order has had their asses FIRED…as they should be.

“You have no money in your account so I’m taking your lunch and throwing it away”.

Took perfectly good food from a child because of an owing balance, threw said food into the bin and THEN gave them fruiit and milk instead.

This, my friends, is whats known in the Aussie lexicon as an act of utter bastardry. Dont know what Utah plans to do…here? If any school did this, they’d wish their great grandmothers had never been born by the time the authorities and parents get done with them.

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  1. 1
    sleeper growls and barks:

    But cafeteria workers weren’t able to see which children owed money until they had already received lunches, Olsen explained.

    Gonna call bullshit on that one. If they sent a notice, they already knew who owed money. They didn’t have to take the food and throw it away. In fact, they shouldn’t have prepared food for those students in the first place, they already knew how many paid.

    The whole fruit and milk thing is ok, I guess. Arguably, they’d have a pretty good idea of how much of that they would need, too.

    It is bastardry, on the part of the school, and the parents involved.

  2. 2
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Taking a meal from the hands of an elementary school child AFTER you have given it to them is the act of scum.

    Full stop.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/mitt-romney-is-the-2016-republican-frontrunner-20140130

    They are trying to foist Mitt Romney on us a second time… a bunch of people not paying their bills just fails to get my rankles up.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Sorry, Brendan, but I just can’t generate any sympathy for the deadbeat parents or their spawn. It probably would have been better if the school had generated a list of those who were not paid up and refused to serve them but that, too, would have been embarrassing for the child. If deadbeat parents don’t want their children embarrassed, then they should pay for the lunches. The way this was handled MIGHT, just might, motivate deadbeats to pay attention to letters sent from their kids’ schools, and might, motivate them to pay up and pay on time. Fuck’em.

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    redc1c4 growls and barks:

    sorry to intrude, but i have a really off the wall idea that might help here.

    how about the parents of each child send their kid to school each day with a lunch & a snack?

    problem solved.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    If they do that, Red, Moochelle’s school food gestapo will confiscate their lunches because they aren’t food gestapo approved lunches, and might contain peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

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    Bones growls and barks:

    Ya know, I have been stewing on this one for a while before I answer. If the parents were hurt because their snowflake was embarrassed, well, fuck you. Maybe pay your bills and run a positive balance. Kids didn’t get to eat, damn, I remember reading somewhere’s that the sins of the father being, uh, something something, anybody know what that is? (sarc) Maybe mommy and daddy can start to stand up and be responsible for their offspring and send them a lunch to ensure that your child is actually eating something that is good for them, not institution food.
    AS to the asshats who work for the indoctrination center, errr, school, what the fuck were you doing allowing the kids in line to even get a meal? If they had no funds in the account and no cash in hand, no soup for you! Then to take it from them and shit-can it? That is the summit of basterdy, for yesterday. I am sure that they will figure out something to do to top it next week. :em08: :em08: :em08:

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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    Dishing out the food, taking it away and trashing it then handing out more seems to be a bit more expensive than just allowing the kid to snarf what they were given. Had the “educators” pulled a stunt like this when my daughter was in school, they’d have been paid alright – and then received a rather severe lesson as to why one doesn’t take food fom a child.

    I’m in my sixties now, and it seems as though the same group of air thieves are still in charge of education – worldwide – as were running things when I went to school. Only the names and faces have changed.

    :em08:
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    watchyerlane growls and barks:

    I agree deadbeat parents need to be dealt with but punishing and embarrassing kids for their parents inaction doesn’t quite seem right.
    Whoever gave the hideous order to take food from children needs to discover the joys of their Brave and Historic President’s 99 Weeks of Funemployment……

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    Look, the food was already prepared and given out. To take it away and then toss it in the trash is the height of wastefulness! In my son’s school, if my balance is getting low, I get an email notification. If for some reason, I forget to replenish his balance, he is allowed a certain amount (up to $5, I believe) on credit or negative balance. Parents get busy. It happens. Sometimes they forget. But to take food AWAY from little kids and toss it out is fucking outrageous.

    No, it has nothing to do with “sympathy for the deadbeat parents or their spawn.” They’re not fucking SPAWN. They’re little kids, who have no fucking control of whether or not their parents pay their fucking bill. Being conservative or libertarian doesn’t mean you have to be fucking heartless. They’re little kids who got food taken away and watched as it was tossed in the fucking bin. Let them have the meal and charge the parents. It’s not fucking difficult. Have some human decency, Oggre. JFC!
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Ogrre: what kind of person takes out that kind of issue on a five or six year old? What does a five or six year old know what a “deadbeat” is? Light a fire under the parents, sure, agree.

    But leave the poor fucking kids alone. They arent involved in this, they arent part of this, they dont have money, they dont have jobs, they are children, and all they know is that they had their food taken away because “mummy and daddy were bad.”

    Tell me how that accomplishes ANYTHING? And yes, the food went to waste. Thats even worse. Theyd served it, let the poor child eat and THEN see the parents later? Had I been there, I would have thrown fifty dollars at their faces and told them to feed them all.

    The way this was handled MIGHT, just might, motivate deadbeats to pay attention to letters sent from their kids’ schools, and might, motivate them to pay up and pay on time. Fuck’em.

    What kind of heartless scumbag uses a five year old child as a weapon or “leverage” over their parents, Ogrre? What kind of bottom dwelling sadist threatens to starve a five year old over a fucking BILL?

    Hm?

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    LCBrendan says:

    What kind of heartless scumbag uses a five year old child as a weapon or “leverage” over their parents, Ogrre? What kind of bottom dwelling sadist threatens to starve a five year old over a fucking BILL?

    I think you answered your own question there.
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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    You know, Brendan, that is the same argument the libs use when they tell us that we should give the children of illegal aliens all the benefits of citizens. After all, it’s not the kids’ fault their parents broke the law, so they’re entitled to welfare, food stamps, instate tuition, and so on. Why, it just wouldn’t be fair to deny it to these kids, when they can see other kids receiving benefits. Are you going to argue that if the federal government should ever start doing its job and enforcing immigration laws, that they should allow kids that snuck across the border with their parents, or kids that were popped out after their criminal parents crossed the border, to be allowed to stay here? After all, it would just not be fair to allow the child to get a taste of these benefits, then suddenly take them away, right? Those benefits are there to be used. It would be fucking heartless to make the kids go back across the border with their parents, until those parents could properly go through the immigration process. It’s just heartless of me to want parents to obey the laws or pay their bills to the schools.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    ou know, Brendan, that is the same argument the libs use when they tell us that we should give the children of illegal aliens all the benefits of citizens. After all, it’s not the kids’ fault their parents broke the law, so they’re entitled to welfare, food stamps, instate tuition, and so on. Why, it just wouldn’t be fair to deny it to these kids, when they can see other kids receiving benefits. Are you going to argue that if the federal government should ever start doing its job and enforcing immigration laws, that they should allow kids that snuck across the border with their parents, or kids that were popped out after their criminal parents crossed the border, to be allowed to stay here? After all, it would just not be fair to allow the child to get a taste of these benefits, then suddenly take them away, right? Those benefits are there to be used. It would be fucking heartless to make the kids go back across the border with their parents, until those parents could properly go through the immigration process. It’s just heartless of me to want parents to obey the laws or pay their bills to the schools.

    I dont give a rat fuck about politics, or liberal, or conservative. We arent talking any of those things, and you fucking well know it.

    A five year old is not a weapon.

    A five year old is not a bargaining chip.

    A five year old is not a way to collect a debt.

    If I was in a desert and saw a man trying to cross and get into the US, and he was dying of thirst, I would give them water. A starving man, I would give food. I would sooner SLIT MY OWN THROAT than deny a child food, or water, or kindness, or love. Do you know the entire quote above?

    Here, I’ll give it to you.

    Matthew 19:14

    But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

    Or this?

    Matthew 25:45

    “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    There is politics, and there is basic, simple humanity and kindness. A lesson, it seems, you are yet to learn.

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    watchyerlane growls and barks:

    You’re wrong, Ogrre. It is not the same argument as the illegal immigration debate. Well, maybe in a way it is but in either case you win no battles punishing little children whose ONLY crime was being born and being put in that school cafeteria. You want to mete out punishment? Fine but do it in a way where punishment is accurately targeted and will have purpose and resolution. Taking a chicken nugget from a 7 year old child, a child who knows nothing else other than they now have nothing to eat is fucking wrong at every level.
    School is difficult enough for kids but to get embarrassed through no fault of their own is unconscionable. We should be better than that.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Watch, it is exactly the same. To make adults responsible for their actions is fucking heartless because their little ones might suffer
    Do I think the school handled it wrong? Yes, I do. The kids should not have been served in the first place. But, if they had used that solution, why the little darlings would not have got to have a lunch that day, and they would have been embarrassed and hungry.
    But, you guys are using the same type of arguments that the open borders crowd use. Why punish the kids when their parents break the law? So, to be nice to the kiddies, we’ll just ignore the parents’ law breaking. Should we cut off food stamp benefits to a parent who commits fraud? That will “unfairly punish the children” of the frauds. Should banks and loan companies be prohibited from repossessing cars or houses if the parents don’t pay their mortgages? Why that will unfairly punish their children.
    The parents of those school kids are no different from any other deadbeat. And, if deadbeats don’t want their children embarrassed, then they need to take care of their obligations.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Do I think the school handled it wrong? Yes, I do. The kids should not have been served in the first place. But, if they had used that solution, why the little darlings would not have got to have a lunch that day, and they would have been embarrassed and hungry.

    Ogrre: I dont do this often, actually I cant think of a time when I have.

    But you merit special dispensation

    YOU DO NOT TAKE OUT WHATEVER ISSUE IT IS ON A FIVE YEAR OLD UNLESS YOU ARE AN INHUMANE, VINDICTIVE, HEARTLESS SON OF A BITCH

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    LCBrendan @ #:
    Brendan, you do not make excuses for parental neglect, on the chance it might embarrass a five-year old kid. Nor do you excuse criminal behavior of an adult for the same reason. If the parents are that neglectful, perhaps they should have their children taken away from them. Hey, I’ll bet that would embarrass the hell out of the little darlings, now, wouldn’t it? “Oh, but it’s just a few dollars.” Tough. No one but the parents should be on the hook to feed their kids. If the parents won’t (won’t, not can’t) do it, it should not fall to the taxpayers to foot their bill. If that makes me an inhuman, vindictive, and heartless, then so be it. As for a son of a bitch, my mother was a nice lady; I have no idea about yours.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    No one but the parents should be on the hook to feed their kids

    Do the words “in loco parentis” ring a bell? Or did you fail that part in your bloviations? Here, I’ll explain it to you.

    The term in loco parentis, Latin for “in the place of a parent”" refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from English common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.

    That child is in your care. It is your job to take the place of the parent so yes, Ogrre, they ARE “on the hook”

    STRIKE ONE.

    You keep saying “criminal behaviour”…what fucking crime did the parents commit? Hm? Owing money on a school lunch program isnt a crime, Ogrre, debts are a CIVIL matter.

    STRIKE TWO

    As for a son of a bitch, my mother was a nice lady; I have no idea about yours

    Mine taught me the basic simple human trait called compassion. Did yours?

    If the parents are that neglectful, perhaps they should have their children taken away from them.

    Forgetting to pay a simple lunch program bill isnt grounds for the State stepping in and removing a child from parental care.

    STRIKE THREE.

    You may see no problem in starving a child as a “lesson to their parents”..I do.

    Go to hell.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Your “In loco Parentis” argument is only partially true. For example, these days, in this country, a school cannot use corporal punishment on a misbehaving student. The school would be responsible for summoning medical assistance in the case of an emergency. The school is not responsible for providing “three hots and a cot” to the students.
    STRIKE ONE
    I was using the example of criminal behavior as an example, because so many libs use your same arguments to excuse criminal behavior and to argue against holding the adult responsible for their actions. The same principle holds for civil misbehavior, too. Parents should be held responsible for their actions … and their inactions.
    SRIKE TWO
    If you had bothered to read the article, there were around 40 children this happened to. None of them were 5 years old. The article mentioned an 11 year old. That would be 5th grade. Making that child skip one meal is not “starving” that child. You are using emotion instead of facts.
    STRIKE THREE
    FUCK OFF!

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    If you had bothered to read the article, there were around 40 children this happened to. None of them were 5 years old. The article mentioned an 11 year old. That would be 5th grade. Making that child skip one meal is not “starving” that child. You are using emotion instead of facts.

    The principle is the same. You do not use children of ANY age as a weapon or as an “example” to their parents. What was done was inexcusable.

    Parents should be held responsible for their actions … and their inactions.

    The parents, yes, the children? NO.

    Making that child skip one meal is not “starving” that child

    When that food is given and then taken off them because of a bill, it is. Debt or not, money or not, giving food to a child and then throwing it away in front of them over a few bucks is despicable. There are means to recover debts.

    Denying food to a child in school is not one of them.

    FUCK OFF!

    Bite me.

  22. 22
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    So, Brendan, you are just fine with theft from the taxpayers if “it’s for the chillllldrennnnn”?
    You accuse me and others of “holding the children hostage” for the inaction of their parents. You rail against using these school kids as a bargaining chip to force the parents to shoulder their responsibilities, then turn around and do the same thing, use them as a chip to force “compassion”? BULLSHIT!

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    o, Brendan, you are just fine with theft from the taxpayers if “it’s for the chillllldrennnnn”?

    It’s simple, Ogrre, If a child is hungry, you feed him or her. If they are thirsty you get them something to drink. On a school day where they will be for the entire day, you do not deny them food on the basis of the account not having any money. You feed them regardless. You sure as hell dont take their lunch and throw it away “as an example to their parents”.

    I’ve said my piece and my points are as above.

    Thatisall.

    Dismissed.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Ogrrre… Why stop with half measures?

    Let’s horsewhip the little bastards, and make em walk around with a scarlet “D’ for ‘debtor’ around their necks. Oh, or maybe we could just put them in the stocks for the lunch hour, and let the other children throw scraps at em.

    Serving them, then yanking it back is stupid, wasteful, -and- cruel. You seem pretty damned comfortable with it, though.

    Life’s a busy place. If you tell me you’ve -never- forgotten to pay a bill, especially a bill you might not have been notified about, I’m sorry, but I -don’t believe you-.

    You seem pretty confident that the school didn’t screw up and fail to notify/bill the parents. Given the level of competence the school has shown, it’s pretty likely they fucked that up too.

    And if you’re going to make the ‘they’re stealin mah taaaaaaxes’ argument? seriously? Dude, unless you live in that district… it ISNT YOUR MONEY. And we’re not talking a huge amount of money here.

    And it’s not like the district doesn’t have ways of getting that money back.

    This was about the School doing stupid shit on top of -more- stupid shit. Full stop. SLC’s autopay system is broken, it’s notification system is broken, and it’s online payment system is broken. It doesn’t seem fair to give someone a hard time for not paying, when the school is so fucked up it’s almost impossible to do so.

    but hey, it’s all the parent’s fault, right?

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Rogue, just where in my posts do you infer they should horsewhip the little bastards, or any other such nonsense? Making them miss one lunch is suddenly cruel and unusual punishment? Are you nucking futs?
    If the autopay system is broken (possible), how did the rest of the parents manage to pay their kids’ lunches?
    The only compromise I would make on this issue, is feed the kids that one lunch, and tell them to tell their parents that if the parents do not pay up, THE KID WILL NOT BE issued a lunch the next day. Period. Full stop. Hey, I’ll even go so far as have the school send a note home with the kid. If the kid loses the note, and forgets to inform the parent, too fuckin’ bad. They don’t get fed, no matter how embarrassed and starved they become from the incident.

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    LC Ogrrre @ #:
    You are acting as if these kids are somehow mooching off taxpayers. Their parents pay for lunches. Some of them just happened to be a little late with payments. They’re not getting lunches free, or at anyone else’s expense. These are kids whose parents pay for their lunch every day. The parents have to pay that money back when they replenish their accounts. So you’re going to leave some kids hungry and humiliate them, as well as waste food that has already been prepared and handed out because of a few dollars that will be repaid by the parents anyway? Wow, that’s pretty goddamn heartless and shitty.
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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    Having a child in elementary school currently I see the price way to many children pay for having deadbeat parents. I see parents that qualify for free lunches fail to turn in the forms either cause they are too lazy or drug addled. I’ve got exactly zero problems letting the adults suffer the consequences for their own actions…… but children, you give them food. Hell, right now my daughter pays for lunch 2-3 times a week for one of the kids in her class. I spent 40 bucks at the book fair last week cause I couldn’t stand to see 6 year olds go without when all their friends got a new book.

    In a country that I call home, a country that has citizens like the people here….. children should be getting feed at school.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    LCBrendan @14.

    Matthew 25:45

    One of the Left’s favorite scriptures, typically taken out of context.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    One of the Left’s favorite scriptures, typically taken out of context.

    And mine, the day I was sworn into service as a junior emergency services volunteer.

    Pro Fide: for the faith

    Pro Utilitate Hominem: To the service of Mankind.

    Plain, simple compassion.

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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    I keep coming back to this out of disbelief. Taking food away, shitcanning it, then turning around and giving out more. What the fuck – over?

    These scumsuckers are air thieves, plain and simple. These are the butt nuggets that should be hung up slowly with a wire but our supposed “civilized” society tolerates this manner of trash, drug dealers, muzzies desiring to kill us, and various other forms of “life” that should not be tolerated for an instant.

    Those who prefer to act as animals should be controlled as such. :em01:
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    LadyRaven growls and barks:

    If you have ever been the overweight sixth grader because most nights at home you ate home made fried donuts (sugar/flower/oil) because there was nothing else there, who went to school many times and pretended she “forgot” her lunch – AGAIN – then you have a feel for childhood humiliation. In this day and age food shortage is probably a rarity but one thing an adult does NOT do is humiliate a child. Bullies humiliate children!

    Children are not capable of looking at humiliation as a higher lesson in the moment when food is being snatched from in front of them in front of all the other kids!.

    This article is some misleading because some of these 1.1MILLION “homeless” children have a roof over their heads, but they don’t have a permanent home, they live in shelters with several hundred other kids but the point is – we have a problem in America. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/10/24/record-number-of-homeless-children-enrolled-in-public-schools-new-data-show/

    People like Olsen are a big part of the problem. Leave the kids out of it FUCKER!
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    LC R6 growls and barks:

    Ogrrre,

    I gotta say here buddy, I’ve been hanging out in these parts a long time. Nearly a decade. I’ve seen people come in here and shit on the carpet and get beat like a red haired step child of a black man and then go away (or in very rare cases get banned), but you seem to have crept in, set up camp and then rolled a shit grenade under the door.

    I think maybe you have this group confused with stormfront.

    No one I know here could find even a sliver of good or appropriateness in what this school has done to these children.

    If you truly feel this way, I think maybe it’s time for you to find the door and another community because I for one won’t be in a room with a person that thinks like what you have posted about this incident.

    If I’m wrong about this community then I’ll find the door.

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    LC R6 growls and barks:

    Oh, and just so I’m clear, if there are others here that are coming down on ogrrres side of this sorry situation my comments were equally directed at you.

    Again, if I’m in the wrong room I’ll let myself out.

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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    LC R6 says:

    Oh, and just so I’m clear, if there are others here that are coming down on ogrrres side of this sorry situation my comments were equally directed at you.

    Again, if I’m in the wrong room I’ll let myself out.

    No, you’re not in the wrong place – children are not to be used as tools to promote adults’ “compliance” under any circumstances.

    If I lived in that community, I would be promoting a vigilante action, the targets being the sorry cocksucker who ordered the action AND the even sorrier pieces of rancid shit who carried out the order. No amount of pain and physical suffering/disfigurement would be too great for these bastards.
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    To me, the issue is not whether or not these kids got fed; it was how the thing was approached. If payment had truly been an issue, the children could have been given a small sack lunch, and the parents given a phone call. As Brendan said, you don’t give the kid a tray full of food, only to snatch it away. It was truly a colossal waste of food. Then again, if the food in that school is anything like the food in the school where my daughter teaches, the kids are better off with the fruit and milk. The lunches at her school are NASTY.

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    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    Gentlemen, Gentlemen… you too Nicki, please allow me to split the baby, so to speak. First, it is the responsibility of the parents to feed, cloth, and, yes, even teach their children. But once they delegate that responsibility to the state… in this case the screwel district, they have abdicated responsibility. Or, more delicately put, they paid their property taxes to have their children fed at school by the SEIU. That’s their choice. They can always move out of the district.

    That being said, the minions of the state that didn’t quit en masse at the sight of food being tossed in the trash should be fired, horsewhipped, tarred and feathered, and then forced to sniff Helen Thomas’s used furred lined thong. That is the epitome of wasteful government. The whole school district should be fired, all the way to the janitor that takes the trash out.

    I don’t understand why any loving parent would subject their child to such treatment by government. School districts are government. Government is force.

    Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead.

    Poor little urchins will probably never be able to drink milk ever again. They might turn to beer. Then gambling. Then swearing at police officers. Beating limo drivers. The next thing you know the police are knocking at the door of their private jet because of the pot smoke smell.
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Again, if I’m in the wrong room I’ll let myself out.

    No you are not.

    As for the rest…..I have never banned anyone from this blog in the many years I have been staff. Misha would tie me up in a dungeon and let BC and Darth Venomous use me for experimentation.

    If I’m wrong about this community then I’ll find the door.

    No you are not, and Ogrre is alone. That fact that Nicki got out the ClueBat™ and let him have it with extreme force, is an indication of just how hard Ogrre stepped on his crank.

    Please hang in here with us , R6.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Simple solution: Feed the kid, positive or negative balance no matter. At the end of the year, the child’s transcripts are held until there is a zero balance. If, by the new school year the balance isn’t paid seek a judgment in court.
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    LC R6 growls and barks:

    Jesus Christ DEEJ!!!!!

    Are you TRYING to bring the world to an end!!!!????

    You and I agreeing on something is DANGEROUS to the fabric of space and time!

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    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    Brenda says:

    As for the rest…..I have never banned anyone from this blog in the many years I have been staff.

    Are you kidding me? In my absence a “Speech Code” has been put in place? Why bother even posting this article if you don’t want to hear divergent opinions? Is this still America? Oh. Wait. You ain’t from around here, are you boy?

    Ban my ass first. I’ll wait here.
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    Library Czar growls and barks:

    I imagine the other kids who didn’t have their lunches tossed were also upset especially if it was a Moochelle approved lunch. Let’s see. dirty half washed nasty little cabbages (brussel sprouts), bitter arugula salad, and tofurkey with extra soy rich in estrogen sure to decrease any male acting like a male. And maybe for desert Moon Pies, from the dark side of the moon of course.

    Why do we have to go so quickly to telling people we disagree with to go pound sand elsewhere? I don’t want to read a leftist (or right version of) an echo chamber.

    Ogrrre, you certainly have a different POV than I do on this episode of stupidity by the school.

    Why don’t we discuss something less controversial like 9MM Vs .45 ACP?

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Are you kidding me? In my absence a “Speech Code” has been put in place? Why bother even posting this article if you don’t want to hear divergent opinions? Is this still America? Oh. Wait. You ain’t from around here, are you boy?

    Ban my ass first. I’ll wait here.

    You missed my point completely. I was referring to this

    I gotta say here buddy, I’ve been hanging out in these parts a long time. Nearly a decade. I’ve seen people come in here and shit on the carpet and get beat like a red haired step child of a black man and then go away (or in very rare cases get banned), but you seem to have crept in, set up camp and then rolled a shit grenade under the door.

    It’s there. Been there from day one. Will never be used. This is one place where we DONT use that tool…we just hammer their heads with a ClueBat™. And laugh at them

    Better that way. Certanly more fun.

    And dont call me boy.

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    LC R6 growls and barks:

    Before this goes further let me point out that I never called for banning anyone at any time and in fact stated clearly that if I found things not to MY liking I would find the door.

    One of the reasons I have hung in this group so long is that it doesn’t ban except in very rare cases. There was a fellow named vermin or vomit or something that I remember. He wasn’t quite right in the head.

    Hell, once I pissed deej off so bad he turned off my account for about an hour.

    Ogrrre, I think you are full of shit and with your opinion about this situation I know absolutely that we would never be friends; however, I would be one of the loudest voices to have you reinstated if you got banned for stating your position, opinion, whatever.

    My original comment was really a lamentation that this community has undergone some changes over the years and that I miss the good old days.

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    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    Brenda says:

    And dont call me boy.

    OK. I won’t.
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    It’s LC Brendan with an n at the end as well.

    Hope that helps, LC Moan. :)

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    “I don’t understand why any loving parent would subject their child to such treatment by government. School districts are government. Government is force.”

    Public education is not, or should not be the evil boogyman it has become. Sure it is mismanaged and run by shifty unions ….. it is still needed. I have 3 choices with school, public, a cult like priva
    te and home school. My wife and I both need to work, I refuse to pay to teach my daughter that women are less than men so public is the only option.

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    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    Slightly says:

    Public education is not, or should not be the evil boogyman it has become. Sure it is mismanaged and run by shifty unions ….. it is still needed. I have 3 choices with school, public, a cult like private and home school. My wife and I both need to work, I refuse to pay to teach my daughter that women are less than men so public is the only option.

    You mean the public school is the only viable option. The other three are still options, just not ones you are willing to take. That’s fine. But in choosing that option you must understand that the curriculum and the methods are chosen by the district. I submit that the public schools I went to had no interest in helping ‘gifted’ students, but were more interested in keeping the slower students at a pace that they would pass.

    Specifically, I recall one Geometry test where the last question on a very long test was to find the volume of two hemispheres, one of which was two-thirds of the first. Pressed for time, I found the volume of the first, and used that correct answer and multiplied by 2/3 to find the correct answer to the second. It was marked incorrect because I didn’t show how I had arrived at the answer. When I told the teacher what I had done, his answers was “too bad”, you need to show proof. That taught me a valuable lesson. The teachers are not interested in whether or not you can grasp a concept. They are only interested in making certain you follow their directions and comply.

    The same was true for “guidance councilors”, I saw mine exactly twice. Once when I was inducted, and once as I was leaving. Never did he talk to me about college- even though I was consistently between 89% and 95% of the nation on Scholastic exams.

    Now they have a big push going on to get parent to pay for college for their kids while they are young. Let me tell you- it’s like Social Security, your gambling that the money will be there at the due date. Even if you get it, they will water down that curriculum so bad that it won’t be worth it. If every kid went to college, college will become the new high school.

    I could go on ad nauseum about the several children I know that can’t even read. The reading levels are constantly being downgraded so that children pass, kinda like the unemployment rate, only… well… the same.

    As for paying to teach your daughter that she is not less than a man- I would start with tossing the TV out by the curb. But, hey, that’s just me.
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    L.C. Mope says:

    Now they have a big push going on to get parent to pay for college for their kids while they are young.

    OMG. Say it ain’t so. I have enough trouble with college students TODAY who can’t write or think. Just because you CAN attend college doesn’t mean you SHOULD. :em06:

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    L.C. Mope says:

    You mean the public school is the only viable option. The other three are still options, just not ones you are willing to take. That’s fine. But in choosing that option you must understand that the curriculum and the methods are chosen by the district. I submit that the public schools I went to had no interest in helping ‘gifted’ students, but were more interested in keeping the slower students at a pace that they would pass.

    True enough, which is why I don’t leave it entirely up to them. I stay of top of things, communicate with her teachers (thankfully we’ve been lucky and got good ones) And I’m constantly keeping her ahead of where her class is.

    L.C. Mope says:

    They are only interested in making certain you follow their directions and comply.

    It is even worse than your geometry test example….. just before Christmas I walked my child into the school since I needed to drop off some photos in the office. Two double doors, a security area, two more double doors then the lobby. Just inside the lobby between the doors is a free standing activity board detailing what is happening that week, a teacher standing in the lobby was making all the students walk to the right of the board, if they went to the left, no matter which direction they were going out of the lobby they had to go back around. I asked the woman about it, her answer was “it was orderly and the kids needed to learn to follow directions”
    I politely explained it was moronic and a great example of why kids detest school…… I might have been speaking Klingon.

    All that being said, it is still the best, and only viable choice for me….. and I would think a large portion of the country. Does that mean I don’t think it should be made better? Of course it should, but I don’t see the institution itself as a bad idea, only the execution.

    L.C. Mope says:

    I would start with tossing the TV out by the curb. But, hey, that’s just me.

    While I haven’t tossed the TV out, it’s not hooked up to anything. My little spawn spends her free time sledding, or on her bike, or doing just about anything that requires more energy than sitting in front of a screen.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    Simple solution: Feed the kid, positive or negative balance no matter. At the end of the year, the child’s transcripts are held until there is a zero balance. If, by the new school year the balance isn’t paid seek a judgment in court.
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    FTR – that’s exactly the way my kid’s school deals with it.
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    Once again, may I remind folks of the following:

    These. Children. Are. Not. On. The. Government. Dole. Their parents pay for school lunches (maybe because they feel it’s easier, maybe they don’t have time to pack a lunch, maybe they think the school will provide a more nutritious lunch). But whatever the reason, these folks pay for lunches. Sometimes we parents get busy, or distracted, or whatever…. and yes, sometimes putting more money in the kid’s account slips through the cracks. It happens. My son decided he liked the school lunch better than the lunch I was packing him, and he hated the fact that it got mushed up in his bag by the rest of the crap he was lugging around. So yeah, I’m the fucking bad parent by putting in $50 at a pop for his school lunch into an account and replenishing it when it gets low? Fuck that!

    So parents who normally pay for their kids’ school lunches may have forgotten to replenish their accounts. Is that a reason to snatch a kid’s lunch away, toss it in the trash, and then waste more food by giving them milk and a fruit, while humiliating them in front of their friends? What the hell kind of asshattery and cold-bloodedness are you promoting here? Really? Letting a kid eat and charging the parent or reminding them to pay at a later date is now equivalent to mooching off the taxpayers?

    What. The. Everloving. Assramming. Fuck?

    Why is it not easier to call the parent and say, “Hey! Your kid’s account is low/delinquent. Would you please take a moment to replenish, or just send money?” JFC, it’s just not that hard! Some of the comments here make me wonder about the common decency of some people here.
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    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    I don’t disagree with that Nicki, I’m just trying to point out that what you are dealing with is Socialists, and worse socialists with a bit of power. If that cafeteria was run by a capitalist this would never happen because a capitalist would never want to alienate its clients. On a dollar bill you’ll find the words “For all debts public and private”- that’s the problem. The asshats that get paid through government and their unions (The socialists) get paid with the same dollars people who work hard for their money do. When the Socialist run low on other people’s money they raise taxes or just print more (another form of taxation). I guarantee not one of those people will get fired for their general douchbaggery. The government union members in that cafeteria will always get away with shit like that and never have to worry about losing their jobs nor their pensions. These people would starve if they had to start a business. Hell, they would starve if they were forced to smile for food. I’d have to raise my opinion of them to “contemptible” if they showed so much as an ounce of compassion.

    And Slightly just wait until the TSA gets deployed to the schools. Maybe they could paint lines on the floor so everyone’s head is down. Can’t have teh cattle™ looking at them.
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    It seems that some of you, Nicki included, just need to quit pretending, and join the McCain/McConnell wing of the Republican party. Make people responsible for their own actions, unless it embarrasses their children. REALLY?
    This school lunch situation is purely a fee for service situation. If you don’t pay the fee, you don’t get the service. YES, the school fucked up by giving the kid their food in the first place. Furthermore, that kid missing one meal is NOT, repeat NOT, starving them. They aren’t going to die of starvation missing one lunch. If you take your taxes to Jackson-Hewitt to be done, you have agreed to pay a fee for a service. When you come in to pick up the forms, if you don’t pay the fee, you don’t get the filled out forms, even though they have already done the work. They don’t ask if it will embarrass you if they don’t give you the forms; they don’t care. Your utilities are a fee for service if you neglect, or forget, to pay your electric bill, it gets cut off, no matter how embarrassed you may be. To resume the service, you must pay the bill. For electricity, they will make a temporary exception in harsh winter weather, where a cut off may endanger your life, or the life of someone in your household. But, that does not absolve you of paying for the bill.
    Because I think the service in the form of the school lunch should be withheld, I think like a Stormfront advocate? Tell me, does being that fucking stupid hurt? The assholes at Stormfront would advocate not feeding the kids BECAUSE they were not white, or not “Christian”, or because they were Catholic, or because they were Mormon. If you cannot see the difference between that and not feeding them because their parents neglected to pay the fee for the service, then just admit Hillary was right, and it takes a village to raise your children. It does not take a village, it takes a responsible parent or, preferably, a set of responsible parents.
    The school providing the service of lunch for the payment of a fee does not obligate the school to track or manage the parents’ finances. The article even said that the school had tried to notify the parents of the low or zero balance. That was above and beyond on the part of the school.
    “Why are you upset? It didn’t even happen in your school district, so it’s not YOUR tax money being used to feed those kids with irresponsible parents.” Do you honestly think that a valid argument? If you saw someone breaking into a house down the block from you, would you decide to ignore it and not call the cops because it’s not your home being broken into, it’s not your property being stolen? Location of a wrong should not make a difference; at least it does not make a difference to me. No, burglary and neglect to pay for a school lunch are not the same thing, so don’t even go there. The principle of “it doesn’t directly affect me” in the two situations is the same, though.

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    L.C. Mope @ #:
    I totally agree with that. We are, indeed, dealing with socialists. They know how to run absolutely nothing. This doesn’t change the fact that this could have been handled better, but I think that’s part of the whole “They’re socialists,” so they have no fucking clue.

    LC Ogrrre – Imperial Heartless Bastard says:

    It seems that some of you, Nicki included, just need to quit pretending, and join the McCain/McConnell wing of the Republican party.

    Most. Moronic. Statement. Ever. Spewed.

    LC Ogrrre – Imperial Heartless Bastard says:

    Make people responsible for their own actions, unless it embarrasses their children. REALLY?

    Reading comprehension is not your strong point today? There are a myriad of ways to ensure people are responsible for their own actions (or inactions) as the case may be. Humiliating their kids should not be on the fucking list.

    LC Ogrrre – Imperial Heartless Bastard says:

    This school lunch situation is purely a fee for service situation. If you don’t pay the fee, you don’t get the service. YES, the school fucked up by giving the kid their food in the first place. Furthermore, that kid missing one meal is NOT, repeat NOT, starving them. They aren’t going to die of starvation missing one lunch.

    No, they’re not going to die of starvation. That is not the fucking point! Leaving a kid hungry should not be an option. WASTING FOOD by giving it out in the first place, then tossing it out, is fucking insane and ridiculous. Humiliating a kid over what is essentially a couple of bucks is the height of fucking stupid.

    LC Ogrrre – Imperial Heartless Bastard says:

    They aren’t going to die of starvation missing one lunch. If you take your taxes to Jackson-Hewitt to be done, you have agreed to pay a fee for a service. When you come in to pick up the forms, if you don’t pay the fee, you don’t get the filled out forms, even though they have already done the work. They don’t ask if it will embarrass you if they don’t give you the forms; they don’t care. Your utilities are a fee for service if you neglect, or forget, to pay your electric bill, it gets cut off, no matter how embarrassed you may be. To resume the service, you must pay the bill. For electricity, they will make a temporary exception in harsh winter weather, where a cut off may endanger your life, or the life of someone in your household. But, that does not absolve you of paying for the bill.

    They also don’t just cut you off, but rather send you a cutoff notice – sometimes more than one. My water bill got lost in the mail once, and by the time I got the cutoff notice – after they sent a warning – (thanks, USPS!), it was too late. I called them and resolved the problem on the spot. They turned my water back on and I sent them a payment. And by the way, MOST utilities companies I’ve dealt with, waited until you missed TWO payments before sending a cutoff notice. That’s TWO MONTHS. They’re generally much more understanding than these jackasses were. If they had sent letters home, they may not even have gotten to the parents. How many times have your kids failed to give you letters from school? Each situation is different. No one is saying the parents shouldn’t be held responsible, but there are different ways to handle issues such as this, depending on the situation.

    LC Ogrrre – Imperial Heartless Bastard says:

    But, that does not absolve you of paying for the bill.

    No one said it did. What we said was that there are better ways of handling these delinquent accounts than ripping food out of the mouths of kids, tossing it in the trash, and then giving the kids milk and fruit, thereby spending even more.

    LC Ogrrre – Imperial Heartless Bastard says:

    The article even said that the school had tried to notify the parents of the low or zero balance. That was above and beyond on the part of the school.

    Actually, it’s not. If you have an account at the school, they should inform the parents of a low or no balance – just like utilities companies and credit companies and every other place with which you have an account send you a fucking bill each month.

    Hold the parents responsible. Don’t give out report cards, don’t issue transcripts, or don’t allow the kid to move on to the next grade until the balance is paid. But ferfuckssake! Don’t rip out food out of the mouth of a fucking 6-year-old to teach the parents a fucking lesson!

    But hey… if that makes me a McShitstain supporter in your eyes, you can continue being stuck on stupid, much as you’re obviously stuck on mean and vindictive.
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Ogrre: Im curious. I dont know if you have kids but….if this happened to your kid, would you tell him too bad so sad? Would you say to them “Thats fine you didnt need lunch anyway”?, because if you did say that, I wouldnt be surprised if said kid would then look at you and wonder how many OTHER meals he is going to go without.

    Seriously, what kind of person would tell a 6 or a ten or eleven year old “You can do without meals now and then”..see, then it will then occur to said child that maybe you cant be trusted…and that he or she would be more than happy to tell others that you have no problem with them not getting fed during the day? Since we are dealing in hyperbole here, what would you call a parent who comes home late from work and tells the kids sorry Ive been too busy, no dinner and you can eat tomorrow?

    So tell me, what would you have done if this had been your child?

    Hm?

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    Brendan, I had five, and if this had happened to my kid, I would apologize to my kid because MY actions had caused them discomfort. Then, I would have made damn sure I didn’t forget to either pay for their lunch from the school, or I would make damned sure they took their lunch.
    I would not rail at the school, because it would not have been the school’s fault. It would have been MY fault. And, I would make sure I kept track of my finances better.
    I do want to thank you for at least trying to use a reasonable tone this time, as compared to the other times.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    I do want to thank you for at least trying to use a reasonable tone this time, as compared to the other times.

    Ogrre, believe me when I say that I share Nicki’s assessment of you, and your “appreciation of my tone” has all the validity and value of an Obamacare commercial. You may be a good guy, but as far as this is concerned? You’ve done yourself no favours.

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    LC R6 growls and barks:

    Tell me, does being that fucking stupid hurt?

    I started to respond to your diatribe and then realized what a waste of time and typing that would be.

    You are simply not worth the effort.

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    Bones growls and barks:

    Ogrrre, I am going to have to agree with you. It is the parents responsibility to feed their kid, not the schools. The “in loco parentis” argument has some merit, but it ultimately falls to the actual parent(s). I will note that the lunch-room personnel should not have allowed the children to actually even be in teh line unless they had a positive balance OR cash in hand. For those whose knickers are in a wad over the “feewings of the chirruns”, hey, life is hard, it’s even harder when you grow up. Get over yourself. You only get to control yourself (if you can), and your children for a time (until they reach adulthood/maturity level where they can take care of themselves). If this is soooo upsetting and you have to flame ogre because he views this as a business transaction (as I do), please try the same thing at outback,or a restaurant of choice. After the food shows up, tell the waiter/manager that you have no money and see what happens to your food. Good luck to you.
    PS, take you kids outa school and educate them yourselves. It will cut your work in half, since you don’t have to undo what they “learned” in class that is completely wrong, and teach them the right way/things. Flame away!

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    Bones @ #:
    I think you’re missing the point. No one is saying you shouldn’t hold parents responsible. But there are right and wrong ways to handle issues. You shouldn’t handle a delinquent account on a school lunch for an elementary school student the same way you handle a delinquent car or house payment. They’re just not the same situations. There are other, more constructive ways, to handle the issue than ripping food from the mouths of little kids, and wasting it by tossing it in the trash.

    Bones says:

    PS, take you kids outa school and educate them yourselves. It will cut your work in half, since you don’t have to undo what they “learned” in class that is completely wrong, and teach them the right way/things.

    Yeah, because that’s feasible for everyone.

    Oh and by the way, I’ve personally seen restaurant managers who, upon being told that a customer didn’t have money to pay the bill (didn’t realize the wallet was stolen until the food had arrived) simply comp the meal. So yeah, it does happen.
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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    Yeah, because that’s feasible for everyone.

    Thanks for that Nikki. I would love to not have my child in public school, but those darn house payments keep my wife and I both working.
    Bones, most of us simply can’t make that work.

    With that I’m off to spend some quality time in the plow truck, 14 inches of wet, heavy snow. Time to get it gone before the freezing rain make it even harder to move. On the plus side….. this is the first storm in a while that didn’t kill our power.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    Thanks for that Nikki. I would love to not have my child in public school, but those darn house payments keep my wife and I both working.

    Hey, I’d love to home school my kid, but I’m afraid I’m not bright enough in certain topics like… um… math and science! LOL

    I’m paying out the nose to send my kid to one of the best schools in the nation (Washington-Lee was #67 in the country last year). It costs $2500 to rent my tiny house here, and that’s on the cheap side! So yeah… I’m right with ya, Slightly.

    Be careful with that snow out there! We didn’t get snow. We got ice. Lots of ice. Nearly fell on my ass twice when I was walking to the bus stop this morning.
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