Crunchie, Here’s The Challenge

No complaining about “I was messing with my sights.”  We’ll shoot a Triple Threat Drill, timed by shot clock.

A single miss is a zero for the round.  Only hits count.  Each target zone is a 9″ circle.  We shoot from 25 yards, rain or shine.  Any AR platform, any optic.

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Fastest round without a miss wins.

Rottfest Texas 2014!  Be there to watch the challenge!

This is an official Open Thread.  Can the jarhead defeat the zoomie?

37 comments

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    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR growls and barks:

    …okay, so I feel a bit like an idiot for asking, but here goes anyway.

    I live in one of those obnoxious Nazi states and I’ve never gotten around to learning to shoot anything bigger than a .22 at camp when I was a girl. It’s on the list of things to do but I haven’t gotten there yet. Anybody going to Rottfest who’d be willing to teach a chick to shoot?
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    BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) growls and barks:

    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR says:

    Anybody going to Rottfest who’d be willing to teach a chick to shoot?
    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR recently posted..I really shouldn’t laugh.

    I’m sure that you’ll be walking out damn near an expert.

    By the way, is this an open Challenge, or just a grudge match?

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    BigDogg – Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) says:

    By the way, is this an open Challenge, or just a grudge match?

    Anyone can feel free to compete!

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR @ #:

    Do you have a firearm at home? Are you interested in handgun or rifle? Big Dogg is correct there is enough weapons knowledge at the average Rott Fest to meet your needs. I was a LE level Firearm Instructor and if I remember correctly there are a couple of others with the same creds. There are military instructor types….you stand more of a danger of information overload than anything else.

    You can start your training now.

    What are the four rules to safe firearm handling?.. (hint….look it up) These rules are unforgiving of those that dont practice them religiously. I strongly suggest that if you are serious about learning, you memorize them. Once you got those …. a half hour of familiarization and handling with the firearm you’ll be shooting and you should be scoring within triggering a few rounds at the range.

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    readerjp growls and barks:

    Per open thread:

    Republican: Obama should be hanged
    ‘Execution is the appropriate punishment for traitors’

    A GOP candidate for the Florida House of Representatives is under fire from his own party and said he’s been visited by the Secret Service after he tweeted Monday that President Obama should be hanged for treason.

    Joshua Black, 31-year-old Republican candidate for Florida House District 68, quoted a tweeter, saying “I’m past impeachment. It’s time to arrest and hang him high.” Black added, “agreed.

    Black later expounded on his comments – even going so far as quoting Jesus – in a Facebook posting, saying:

    “To everyone who was offended that I said that the POTUS should be hanged for treason. This is the man who droned al-Awlaki on ‘suspicion of terrorism’ – not proof – and later killed his 15-year-old son for nothing more than being his son. …

    “This would be exactly what the president has done to others, and, as Jesus said, ‘the measure ye mete, it shall be meted to you again.’ I make no apologies for saying that the president is not above the People. If ordinary Americans should be executed for treason, so should he.

    “So, don’t stop at impeachment. Remove him. Try him before a jury (the very right that he arbitrarily denied to al-Awlaki and his 15-year-old son), and, upon his sure convictions, execute him. Thus has he done, thus it should be done to him.”

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/republican-forget-impeachment-hang-obama/#pJg4QvQsYwlOHQ0Y.99

    Best of all, Black is black.

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    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR says:

    Anybody going to Rottfest who’d be willing to teach a chick to shoot?

    I’ll second what Troy (our resident range killer) said. M, Troy, and myself are all instructors to varying levels, (for example I’m NRA LE certified in Handgun/shotgun, patrol rifle, tactical and select-fire) and I believe I speak for all of us when I say that there’s nothing we love more than teaching others, especially relative novices, the martial art of the gun. IIRC clambake is a military instructor as well. So yeah, you’ll be in good hands.
    BigDogg – Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) says:

    By the way, is this an open Challenge, or just a grudge match?

    Oh, it’s a grudge match fer sure :-) It will be the main event I reckon, but it would be awesome to see other Rott’s compete as well.

    Now, since I’ve been called out, yer on M, with an addition to the drill. First score is the drill exactly as shown above. Second string is the same drill with the addition of at least one dummy round to induce a stoppage and magazine’s loaded so that there is a mag change. Third string will be the same drill with a dummy round to induce a stoppage and a transition to handgun to finish the drill. Best two out of three times wins the whole kit and caboodle.

    For shits and giggles we can all shoot a dot drill also. Five yards, five rounds, smallest group wins. Then just for fun everyone can run a “blow your wad” drill on my Uzi. One mag dumped on full auto for the tightest group.
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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    “Can the jarhead defeat the zoomie?”

    It depends on who has been getting in the most practice lately.

    “… I’ve never gotten around to learning to shoot anything bigger than a .22 at camp when I was a girl.”
    Nut, if I get to come (and I’m gonna try real hard), I’ll bring an AK, an AR, and a Remington Model 700. You will be welcome to try them all.

    Troy, I don’t know about your rules, but my FIRST rule of firearms safety is: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNLOADED WEAPON. Everything else flows from that one rule.

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    LC Ogrrre says:

    It depends on who has been getting in the most practice lately.

    And in that M probably has the edge. I get to the range a lot. Problem is I am usually watching students shoot and not getting any trigger time myself. More than likely I will be going into the challenge cold. Aughta make it real interesting for me. :em01:
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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    LC Ogrrre @ #:

    DING DING DING! Give that man a kewpie doll! Thats my first rule also OD.

    There are many ways of saying it, but the concept remains the same.

    Treat all guns as if they are loaded, all the time, no exceptions.

    Anyone wanna shoot for rule numbah 2?

    I was just a lowly NRA LE Handgun / Shotgun Instructor. The real question is…..what are we shooting for? Either its a winner gets……. or the loser(s) have to…..??? Got to make it “interesting”

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    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR growls and barks:

    Then count me in. I’ll find a way dammit.

    Rules – yo, guys, that one was easy to find if you LOOK.

    1. All guns are always loaded.
    2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you aren’t willing to destroy. (Or, in English, if you aren’t really going to shoot to kill, don’t point the gun at it.)
    3. Finger off the trigger until your sight is on the target.
    4. Be sure of your target.

    Woohoo, common sense for the win.
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    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR says:

    4. Be sure of your target.

    …..and what is beyond it.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    I’m gonna move heaven and earth to be there as well. Since there will probably be a wide selection of modern bang sticks, I think I will cover the antique and odd. I think it will be a good time to break the broom handle out.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    I think it will be a good time to break the broom handle out.

    Oooh, drool. I had one of those back in the day, my dad gave it to me when I was 18. Dumbass me thought I could do research on guns at the time. Figured it was a Chinese copy made after WWII by the ChiComs, worth about $150 (This is back ’87 mind you.) I had my eye on an SKS and went to the gun show. Sold the Broomhandle for $125 and used it to buy a Vietnam surplus SKS. Went back to the table I had sold the Broomahndle at, the guy already had it on the table for $850. Yup, it was original German WWI vintage. :em08:
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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. says:

    Yup, it was original German WWI vintage.

    Crunchie…… that pains me to read. That settles it, I’m bringing the Mauser just so you can toss a few rounds with it.

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    LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. says:

    Now, since I’ve been called out, yer on M, with an addition to the drill. First score is the drill exactly as shown above. Second string is the same drill with the addition of at least one dummy round to induce a stoppage and magazine’s loaded so that there is a mag change. Third string will be the same drill with a dummy round to induce a stoppage and a transition to handgun to finish the drill. Best two out of three times wins the whole kit and caboodle.

    Me likey!

    BTW, I had picked 25 yards as an arbitrary distance based on AR’s only. The guys in the video are obviously shooting the Triple Threat from much closer in. With the addition of handgun transition to the mix, shall we say…7 yards, at the edge of the handgun 21 foot threat circle and a true CQB test on the carbine as well, since we’ll have to adjust aim for the close range (nobody sights their carbine in that close…)?

    And just so I have it straight. Round 2, each shooter receives 2 magazines with a random mix of 15 live rounds loaded between the two. One of the mags will have a dummy round randomly inserted. Each shooter has to both clear a malfunction and do a mag change in the round.

    Round 3, each shooter receives the two similarly loaded rifle mags, plus a loaded handgun mag. Magazine change if needed. When the shooter encounters the malfunction, he immediately transitions to handgun.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Ok Ok. lets make this interesting…….. in ROUND 4… we gotta shoot dominant hand disabled with a aboriginal cannibalistic midget (weighing no less than 50 lbs) riding piggyback.

    Still need to determine the obligatory act of humilation for failure to win…… (im not worried, I don”t plan on losing)

    :em07:

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    BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Ok Ok. lets make this interesting…….. in ROUND 4… we gotta shoot dominant hand disabled with a aboriginal cannibalistic midget (weighing no less than 50 lbs) riding piggyback.
    Still need to determine the obligatory act of humilation for failure to win…… (im not worried, I don”t plan on losing)

    Wow … that’s upping the ante! :em05:

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Hello, sportsfans!

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    Oklahoma is a conservative stronghold and we must lock arms with the grassroots and help them elect a true conservative who won’t be pressured into supporting bad policies by the Republican establishment.

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    I actually had the pleasure of hearing Rep. Bridenstine address the New York Meeting a couple of weeks ago, and he was a VERY impressive man: he’s brilliant, and he’s a true patriot.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. says:
    Yup, it was original German WWI vintage.
    Crunchie…… that pains me to read. That settles it, I’m bringing the Mauser just so you can toss a few rounds with it.

    Even after all these years it was still painful to write. That will be awesome to send some lead out of one!
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    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E. says:

    With the addition of handgun transition to the mix, shall we say…7 yards, at the edge of the handgun 21 foot threat circle and a true CQB test on the carbine as well,

    Much more realistic engagement range for the drill. It’s a deal.
    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E. says:

    And just so I have it straight. Round 2, each shooter receives 2 magazines with a random mix of 15 live rounds loaded between the two. One of the mags will have a dummy round randomly inserted. Each shooter has to both clear a malfunction and do a mag change in the round.

    Round 3, each shooter receives the two similarly loaded rifle mags, plus a loaded handgun mag. Magazine change if needed. When the shooter encounters the malfunction, he immediately transitions to handgun.

    Correct, magazines to be loaded by an impartial third party.

    Man, this is gonna be fun!
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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Still need to determine the obligatory act of humilation for failure to win……

    Four words Troy, just four….

    Two Girls One Cup.
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    BigDogg – Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) says:

    aboriginal cannibalistic midget (weighing no less than 50 lbs) riding piggyback.

    Logistics Troy, logistics. Can we just go with a crack whore instead. Same basic weight and just as mean, but a lot more readily available in sufficient quantities.
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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    (im not worried, I don”t plan on losing)

    Oh, so yer not competing then? :em07: :em05:
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    My R.O’s laws.

    1. All guns are always loaded.
    2. I dont care if the gun looks unloaded see rule 1
    3. Repeat after me, sing my song, magazine out, bolt is out, chamber empty, call out CLEAR.
    4. Trigger finger parallel to bolt at all times.
    5. Muzzle downrange all the time.
    6. Do you know what it is you are shooting at? No? Then get your fucking finger off that trigger before I break it off.
    7. A hangfire can blow your face off, if it goes click, pull the magazine, wait 30 seconds, keep the rifle pointed downrange and call an RO to clear the round. DO NOT open that chamber until told it is safe to do so.
    8. Check that rifle twice to confirm safe before storage. Then check it again as you put it away.
    9. Centrefire can be reloaded, rimfire cant Know the difference, check your ammo.
    10. WHEN IN DOUBT, ASK.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Treat all guns as if they are loaded, all the time, no exceptions.

    Rule 1, the gun is always loaded, because there is nothing more useless than an unloaded gun.

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    Radical Redneck growls and barks:

    Still need to determine the obligatory act of humilation for failure to win……

    Four words Troy, just four….

    Two Girls One Cup.

    :em05: :em06:

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    This pretty lady, while still a work in progress, is Baaad Karma II. Sorry for the poor photo quality. Ptac upper, Midwest SSG12 free float handguard, 1:7 melonite barrel, Bushnell AR Optics 1-4×24 on a Burris PEPR mount. Currently pinned up on my New Frontier polymer lower while awaiting completion of her permanent lower. I’ll also be adding a Miculek compensator and CMC match trigger to the final build.
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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    As I’m going to try getting there as well, add a Squid to your Jarhead/Zoomie competition if there’s room. I’d be using a homebuilt .300 Blackout w/ holographic sight on the AR platform – pistol would be the 1911/.45 ACP.
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    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR says:

    …okay, so I feel a bit like an idiot for asking, but here goes anyway.

    I live in one of those obnoxious Nazi states and I’ve never gotten around to learning to shoot anything bigger than a .22 at camp when I was a girl. It’s on the list of things to do but I haven’t gotten there yet. Anybody going to Rottfest who’d be willing to teach a chick to shoot?
    Just Another Random Nut, GLOR recently posted..I really shouldn’t laugh.

    Well, I was a Combat Arms Training and Maintenance person, for a very long time. Glad to help.
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    readerjp says:

    Per open thread:

    Republican: Obama should be hanged
    ‘Execution is the appropriate punishment for traitors’

    A GOP candidate for the Florida House of Representatives is under fire from his own party and said he’s been visited by the Secret Service after he tweeted Monday that President Obama should be hanged for treason.

    Joshua Black, 31-year-old Republican candidate for Florida House District 68, quoted a tweeter, saying “I’m past impeachment. It’s time to arrest and hang him high.” Black added, “agreed.

    Black later expounded on his comments – even going so far as quoting Jesus – in a Facebook posting, saying:

    “To everyone who was offended that I said that the POTUS should be hanged for treason. This is the man who droned al-Awlaki on ‘suspicion of terrorism’ – not proof – and later killed his 15-year-old son for nothing more than being his son. …

    “This would be exactly what the president has done to others, and, as Jesus said, ‘the measure ye mete, it shall be meted to you again.’ I make no apologies for saying that the president is not above the People. If ordinary Americans should be executed for treason, so should he.

    “So, don’t stop at impeachment. Remove him. Try him before a jury (the very right that he arbitrarily denied to al-Awlaki and his 15-year-old son), and, upon his sure convictions, execute him. Thus has he done, thus it should be done to him.”

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/republican-forget-impeachment-hang-obama/#pJg4QvQsYwlOHQ0Y.99

    Best of all, Black is black.

    Oh! Crap! Rock and ROLL!
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    FrankOK says:

    As I’m going to try getting there as well, add a Squid to your Jarhead/Zoomie competition if there’s room.

    The more the merrier Frank!
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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    OH GOOD! Now I get to have some CALAMARI to go with my GATOR & EAGLE NUGGETS….(dont matter much, they all taste like CHICKEN!)

    :em05:

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    LC TerribleTroy @ #:
    Didn’t know you swayed that way Troy, but hey, people are a lot more accepting of homosapien behavior now, so….

    Yer slipping dude, you left yerself wide open for that one, if you’ll pardon the pun. :em05:
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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Keep Dreamin Crunch…. Keep Dreamin…… for the last time… NO I will not share a tent with you in TX….. Im sorry that you’re scared of the dark and that there are scary noises at night, but Im staying in a AC’d hotel room…. :em07:

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Im sorry that you’re scared of the dark and that there are scary noises at night,

    Ahh, that’s just a line I threw to Bangie to get her to cuddle up close and keep me warm, which leads to the scary noises. You see, that’s what a satisfied woman sounds like. I know you’ve never heard it before, but trust me, it’s a good thing. I’m not really hurting her, I promise.

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    but Im staying in a AC’d hotel room….

    Pussy. :em05:
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    FrankOK says:

    As I’m going to try getting there as well, add a Squid to your Jarhead/Zoomie competition if there’s room. I’d be using a homebuilt .300 Blackout w/ holographic sight on the AR platform

    Cool…I haven’t shot a 300 Blackout before so will be looking forward to trying your rifle. Be sure and bring a dummy round.
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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    LCBrendan @ #:
    Gunpowder and alcohol don’t mix. It tastes like shit and doesn’t fire worth a damn. :em05: