What was that sound? Me. Whacking a hornet nest.
So now that I’ve gone and done that…..At one point in the recent post that went some 190+ replies and featured an all out virtual version of a PayPerView WWE cage match I made the following comment:
I must be slipping behind the times, as I for one, like Niki, didn’t even know what the hell “TNB” meant – but I will posit that until the “culture” of the inner cities where the murder rates are sky rocketing – gang violence is epidemic – out of wedlock births are the norm, then the simple fact of the matter is that same self “culture” in fact is helping to perpetuate that sort of thing all on it’s own. Add in a resentment of people who probably are seeing their tax dollars go down a black hole, and all the while things continually grow worse and worse in the all sorts of “communities” – and you just kick started the “racism” nuclear reactor.
While I am on the subject of “resentment”, While taken from what I see as the wrong side of the ideological divide – Obama wasn’t completely wrong with his “bitter clingers” remarks. There IS bitterness in areas of the country like the rust belt and deep south. Is it racism ? That’s probably a stretch, but does that “bitterness” in turn help to foster racism… you can bank on it.
But where Obama is wrong, he has to couch it differently not just as a “white bible thumper” issue, because it cuts both ways. To be stereo typical here – Blacks in the rust belt are every fucking bit just as bitter as any white in the south, because of things like diminished economic opportunity. So they blame the “White man” for “keeping them down”. The White Man looks at 60 years of “social justice” and “war on poverty” as the abject failures that they have become and …bing….blames the Black for being a bunch of “TNB’s”, and ……your racism reactor hums right along merrily with power to spare, sadly…..because we have an idjit like Obama on center stage saying STUPID shit and the gullible eat it up with a spoon. *snip*
Now – after some heavy back and forth between people some whom I greatly respect, some I simply nod and say hello to- although admittedly have never met, I thought that I had said my opinion and I had nothing more to add. But….
I’ve thought that through some more and now, I’ve realized that maybe I do in fact have some more things to add to that various topic.
Anyhow, The entire argument can be divided into pretty much 2 viewpoints or “camps” if you will – was the word or Internet Slang used by a poster “TNB” Racist?
Camp A. Says firmly it was without a doubt “Racisim”
Camp B. Says no, it doesn’t meet the criteria for actual “Racisim”.
Side note here : I’m purposely withholding posters names – not so much in an effort to protect anyone, but more in an effort that a casual passerby would get curious and go to the aforementioned thread and read it and it’s comments in it’s entirety – since the concept of the reputation of the blog was also a topic of discussion. In other words – More or less, I’m trying to get one to digest the entire scope of the argument and view first hand what was said, then draw whatever conclusions. Minus the devolution into the Penis jokes. Of course.
Now – what provoked this add on post is taking a day and digesting some of what was said and giving it some thought – Oh there was a 3-4 hour period of sleep – some actual work, a nice afternoon nap – and then time spent watching the Steelers Kick some Cheesehead ass in the frozen waste land known as Lambough Field …Neener. (If that doesn’t provoke a flame war on here – you all need to head to the retirement home and start gumming your toast and talking to long dead relations.)
I digress – No, what provoked this post, and probably will send that Nuclear Reactor called Racism back into a near melt down was the realization that – there’s a whole lot of (in my view) “if standards are good – double standards are even better” going on. And it’s happened here numerous times, as well as on individual blogs, and it seems to be an accepted practice just about anywhere.
Various Posters in Camp A, whom again – I have deep respect for, went critical mass over the use of the short hand “TNB”
Take note here as well, I’m not taking a side, rather, I consider the source of where that particular term came from, and well frankly it isn’t, IMO really worth even a second glance. Monkeys flinging poo at the zoo may prove vastly more entertaining – if not a bit more messy.
Yet all the same, a few clicks and some reading find some folks firing off nuclear tipped salvos with terms like “Redneck” in it. Again, here on this very site, and on other sites associated here as well as out in the “real world” it seems A-okay when the term “Redneck” is employed with out so much as nary a raised eyebrow.
Wait, let me get this straight. “TNB” is racist but calling a white man “Redneck” isn’t? Anyone care to explain to me just how that works?
Doesn’t that smack of a double standard here?
Or do we go down that rabbit hole of “it can’t be racist because it is only used about white people”?
Frankly I am oft times rather rankled to see it, and have been in the past on here, because again, I have deep abiding respect for most of the posters – and I expected better – from those that lit off this Nuclear conflagration. But at the same time – I had the “if you’re going to talk the talk you need to walk the walk” moment as well.
Calling someone “Redneck” is racist. Turning around and nuking someone for the same thing directed at a another race is, to put it gently, a double standard.
Lest I am misunderstood …. I’m not here to pass judgement – if I did, then I did without malice, but the BLUF here (Milspeak for “Bottom Line Up Front), is simply, careful how high in that ivory tower you climb, the higher you get, the further you may fall.
And Oh, by the way, before the “whiny sissy-boi” “Grow a pair” long knives come out, yes, I seized on one single racial term, “RedNeck” and yes I am ‘White’ and said it was just as bad as “TNB”, but go on, call me a redneck, a hillbilly, monkey, white trash, nigger, spic, mullet head, wetback, mick, faggot, cracker, ugly, bastard, pussy, dick, cock, bitch, honky, wop, motherfucker, fuckhead, fucker, fat, skinny, skinhead, whore, man-whore, slut, dork, dweeb, nerd, Nazi, Jew, rag-head….. I could go on for probably hundreds of words, some not in English even, (since after 20 years abroad I can cuss you out in almost dozen languages…Yay me!)…. But feel free. Have at it.
You know why? You don’t sign my paycheck, and you don’t pay my bills, so I could give a damn. And even if you DID? I probably still wouldn’t give a gnats ass …..Quite frankly, the whole “hurtful words” schtick is WAY over-hyped emoting and utter nonsense as far as I am concerned – There are even words and phrases .. many of them like “Knee Grow” nonsensical and meaningless yet it’s offensive? Who comes up with this crap, really?
Alas, In a polite society – none of them would ever be uttered ever again, no matter in what context. People would be dare I say it, be more “enlightened” and considerate especially when behind the anonymity of a keyboard ….but what the fuck do you expect when we live is a cesspool madhouse where Miley Cyrus humping a wrecking ball and Brittany Spears flashing her well used beaver is considered news, or the height of entertainment….
It’s about the Boobs! er, I mean principle folks. That’s all.
Why do I have the feeling I should yell out “INCOMING!!! TAKE COVER!!!” ????
I would love to agree with you, cause heaven knows we’ve seen plenty of racism come out of folks like Sharpton and Jackson, through actors and musicians, even down to low level gang thugs. I just don’t see a racial component to the term “Redneck”, is it usually directed at white folk……sure it is, doesn’t make it racial. Say the… Read more »
Woo hoo! Lunch hour! This is an interesting piece, Snarl. My two cents… I think there’s a lot to be said for context and intent. When someone says “robbery, rape, etc. is typical n****r behavior,” there is a definite claim that blacks as a race are prone to said behavior. This isn’t a cultural reference. It’s a reference to behavior… Read more »
Methinks there art far too many people with far too much time on their hands. Don’t like a troll … don’t feed him. Don’t like what a troll says … refute him. Miss intellectual discussion and dialogue … start one. Miss quality fisking of stupid statements and articles … start fisking. Think you’re light years ahead of others here intellectually… Read more »
Indiana Jones and the last penis?
Indiana Jones and the Crystal Penis.
Were I a racist, I might mention that I hate it’s white half even more.
LC Ohio Right Wing Nut says: Indiana Jones and the last penis? Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says: Indiana Jones and the Crystal Penis. I can’t believe I did all this writing only to be besieged with Penis jokes… Well shit. I can’t believe noooooone pulled this old rabbit out of the hat yet…. “My Penis has a… Read more »
Now, before I get started, I’d just like to say, I’ve got black friends, A black man married my first cousin (and nobody in my family cared, and -everyone- came to the wedding. ). I don’t have an issue with black people. In my head, I don’t see a person and think “oh a black person.” I look, and see… Read more »
Penis of the Caribbean
Smokey and the Penis
Penis 9 from Outer Space
LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician says:
black half/white half……..
no matter to me, I just hates it. period
I related a story to Nicki about racism a few days ago and will tell it here. I was born and raised in Colorado in a very racist household. My father routinely threw the word nigger around, he used it constantly. He claimed to hate blacks and had nothing good to say about them. I crossed swords with him all… Read more »
LC Roguetek says: Blacks commit real crime (rape, robbery, murder, you know -real- crimes) at a rate that is really out of poportion to their population numbers. Sure, a lot of it is ‘victimless crime’ involving drugs, but a lot of it -isn’t- victimless. I’m not gonna argue it, I’m not gonna post links. Google it yerself. Blacks are also… Read more »
LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondent says:
So are rabbit & hat now synonyms for who-ha and Va-jay-jay? And pulling out doesn’t work.
My parents (both gone now) didn’t have strong opinions re: things like race but my grandfather was very specific about that issue. The exact words were: “I don’t care what color a person is as long as they don’t act like a nigger – they come in all colors.” His definition had more to do with actions than appearance and… Read more »
Forgive this poor old sod that like many, is a naturalized citizen with what I thought was an acceptably wide vocabulary, alas this seems to be a misconception on my part that TNB could mean tri nitro benzene or an acronym for some industrial product.. Somehow I get the distinct impression that chemicals have nothing to do with whatever it… Read more »
“Typical Nigger Behaviour”
Natasha: if a fullgrown man wears a fig leafm, does that mean a dwarf wears a tea leaf?
FrankOK says: The exact words were: “I don’t care what color a person is as long as they don’t act like a nigger – they come in all colors.” His definition had more to do with actions than appearance and that’s the way I believe to this day also. Besides the colloquial/racist interpretation of today, a dictionary (years ago) once… Read more »
I told my kid , if you see anyone sneaking up to you with intent to harm you, kill them.
His exact words were
He also knows how to rob rape and murder that is just tnb”
Thanks Brendan, now it makes total sense. My dad was kind of direct in many things, one of which is that he always stated that there are men, some of which are black and there are “nigg**s” and not all of which are black. Seems to parallel other descriptions here. Shiftless slackers are the universal residents of the lower bell… Read more »
Roguetek, thank you for emphasizing a very important point. Stereotypes exist for a reason, and they can die a natural death or evolve, as circumstances change. The older, traditional stereotype of the wimpy, cowardly Jew died somewhere during the 1950s and was laid to rest in the Sinai in 1967. But stereotypes also can be reinforced by other members of… Read more »
FrankOK and Terrapod, I have heard those other ones referred to as “wiggers” or must that be “w!##ers”? And they’re absolutely the lowest of the low – voluntary choice and no excuses. About two stages beneath Po’whitetrash with nothing else in between.
Bill Quick today on Daily Pundit mentioned that nothing bad happens when you open a can of worms. He’s correct. This is not a can of worms.
It’s a can of hornets.
Lord of the Penis: The Foreskin of the Cock-Ring
The Two Towers… wait a second… I didn’t have to do anything to that one…
How has no-one yet referred to ex-lefty Robert Downey Jr’s great work in Iron Penis?
The newest movie out – 47 Penises.
I’m dreaming of a white penis… is that racist?
I know where this “term” is in wide use. Unless the Rott supplies me with the following: A Mark Ten industrial survival suit complete with independent oxygen supply and triple polymer body shielding, Six Mark Eight canisters of disinfectant and a suitable high capacity HAZMAT decontamination and purification system, Six months supply of brain bleach and a gauranteed thirty session… Read more »
LCBrendan @ #:
Lemme guess. Some Stormfront site?
A Mark Ten industrial survival suit complete with independent oxygen supply and triple polymer body shielding, Six Mark Eight canisters of disinfectant and a suitable high capacity HAZMAT decontamination and purification system, Six months supply of brain bleach and a gauranteed thirty session psychoanalyst regimen, A part of Mark Fifteen HAZMAT boots with quadruple insoles. and a gauranteed immediate dustoff… Read more »
Lemme guess. Some Stormfront site? Worse. How about an 8×8 poly-tarp (w\rivets), a half empty container of Canned Air PC duster, a box of cling wrap, 2 half empty bottles of Windex and 409, a used painter’s mask, some calcium hyperchlorite pool cleaner, a well loved pair of Redwing work-boots, (w\odor-eaters), $5.00 in taxi-fare, and a self help booklet from… Read more »
LCBrendan @ #:
What the hell could possibly be worse than THAT?!?
BTW can anyone tell me why I am no longer staff here? My dashboard access is gone. [Brendan, the version of WordPress got updated to the latest 3.8 last night (yeah, blame me, I’m the one who did the update). May have been something in 3.8 that busted you back, not sure. Not the only damned thing wrong with 3.8,… Read more »
I refuse to give them any bandwidth, I refuse to name it. Not here, anyway Were we to speak privately, I will tell you. But I wont and dont like the idea of anyone looking over there, even just to see what it is.
The pumpkin pies were fantastic, as always. I make the best.
Oh, the racism thing?
If you have a problem, then YOU have a problem. What are YOU going to do about YOUR problem?
Oh come on you won’t die…
I intend to die at a severe old age, cackling at the nurses and making sure they dont find my stash of vintage Hustler magazines
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:
Racist AND heteronormative! Denounce yourself!
My fucking inbox is already overflowing with protest mails from GLAAD and everybody who ever worked for the non-FOX media because of that comment!
And… A Fistful of Penis.
Misha: sent you an email.
My dashboard access is gone?
“Go with the flow” by Mr P.Niss of California
No they didnt.
It was designed by Mr A. P.Pendage of Great Britain. He stuffed it up as he was in a hurry to register and be able to claim his two dependents
Brendan, I getcha. If it’s THAT bad, I’m not sure I want to know. When I was doing radio and the Phelps Phelchers were just gaining notoriety, I got curious and looked them up. I became physically sick. As in went to the bathroom and threw up. Mish, I denounce myself. There may be self-flagellation (and no, that’s not dirty,… Read more »
Oh, and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Penis.
Brendan, log out, then back in and let me know if the Dashboard comes back, mkay?
Darth Venomous @ #:
If that doesn’t work, and you are on a PC, the open a command prompt and type the following
Hit enter key
Format C:\ /Y
Let me guess…. Mac user ?
LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondent @ #: Let me guess…. Mac user ? Byte your tongue! The only Apple products in this household are of the round fruity variety and product derivatives of the same. The one exception is my wife’s Iphone. However, she gets a pass since she has it set up to work in Chinese. I… Read more »
No go, Darth. Sorry.
You are a bunch of sick puppies. That’s why I love ya.
LCBrendan says: Unless the Rott supplies me with the following: A Mark Ten industrial survival suit complete with independent oxygen supply and triple polymer body shielding, Six Mark Eight canisters of disinfectant and a suitable high capacity HAZMAT decontamination and purification system, Six months supply of brain bleach and a gauranteed thirty session psychoanalyst regimen, A part of Mark Fifteen… Read more »
whoops, meant B.C. :p
Might this entity-which-shan’t-be-named have anything to do with a Futaba Channel-based image/b/oard?
The Dark Penis
The Dark Penis Rises
Well, slap me silly and ccall me Doofus, but I didn’t know what TNB meant either, Terrapod! And I’m a Native. Or maybe a Natural-Born Idiot. Angry Webmaster, for some of us the command is ” cd / ; rm -r *.* ” (as root, of course, but you can try it with other logins.) 47 shades of Penis Ah,… Read more »
Igor, Imperial Booby @ #: Ah, yes, the Wonderful World of Upgrades That Function BETTER Than The Older Version Since when? Welcome to Support. I did 4 years on a helldesk and have scars, and the bodycount of lusers, to prove it. Und now, some topic drift. Perfect fodder for those that like Israel and hate Nazi’s, especially Ivy League… Read more »
LC hilljohnny @ #:
That is quite possibly the biggest FUPA I’ve ever seen! I’m a little scared!
Obamas been a racist his whole life. You can´t attend a racist Church that many years and not have a built-in bias against “rich white peee-puuuul”, as the Right Reverend Wright said. Obama and his wife are anti-Christian, anti-Semitic and anti-white, and no amount of fancy attempts at explaining it will cover that up, although they hide it well for… Read more »
If the site upgrade is the reason why B.C. is now able to post pictures directly into the comment feed, I would say that we are clearly at DefCon 1. This must be fixed immediately before my retinas run screaming through my nasal cavities. On the plus side, I have a friend starting a diet after the 1st who will… Read more »
LC SecondMouse says:
How do you do that?