Hey, Look Over There!

As we witness otherwise intelligent people utterly ignoring the fact that the NSA has been proven to take a dump on the 4th Amendment (treason, anybody?) and focus instead on the peccadilloes of Edward Snowden because, hey, he’s kind of a douchebag, isn’t he?

I don’t fucking care if he’s a transgendered polar bear pole dancing in Hong Kong, what I care about is the facts that he revealed, facts that have since been confirmed. What to do about him is another matter altogether.

But I have to laugh, bitterly, when I hear Stacy McCain utter something as inane as this:

During an online discussion Monday, the man who leaked hundreds of pages of classified documents about the National Security Agency‘s surveillance program accused the U.S. government of “nakedly, aggressively criminal acts” and said he fled to Hong Kong because American authorities would prevent him from getting a fair trial.
Edward Snowden, who came forward June 9 to identify him as the source of the NSA leaks, also denounced President Obama for preventing investigations of “systemic violations of law,” and suggested the U.S. government might try “to cover this up by jailing or murdering me.” …
In his online Q-and-A hosted by the British Guardian newspaper, Snowden said U.S. officials are lying about government surveillance programs. ”Seeing someone in the position of James Clapper — the Director of National Intelligence — baldly lying to the public without repercussion is the evidence of a subverted democracy,” Snowden said. “The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed.”

Right: Don’t trust the president. Don’t trust Gen. Clapper.

Don’t trust America’s “subverted democracy.”

Let’s trust “Wolfking Awesomefox” instead.

No. Don’t trust them. You should know. They have been lying about every single thing they’ve ever talked about since the Lying King usurped power, so why the everloving fuck should anything, anything they say carry any weight whatsoever with anybody who has more than two synapses to rub together? Give me one good reason, Stacy, please.

At this point in our nation’s history, it’s fairly safe to assume that everything that oozes out of a government scuzzfuck’s mouth is a lie. You’ll only be wrong 0.00001% of the time.

But let’s trust Lying Fuck Gen. Clap, why don’t we? It’s just about as pleasant as the VD he was named after. “Trust the president?” Are you fucking KIDDING ME??? Because, hey, the guy calling him a liar is a geek and speaks geek speak, which is what geeks do. You ever met a geek, Stacy?

Not that it matters if Snowden is a fucking deluded douchefucker or not, what matters is what was revealed, not who revealed it.

But if you’d rather believe a spokeswhore of an utterly dishonored misadministration with more counts of actual treason on their rap sheet than anybody in history over a geek who likes to come up with fancy nicks for himself, then go right the fuck ahead.

Thatisall.

37 comments

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    watchyerlane growls and barks:

    FOIST!!!!

    That has been my point from the start. THe information revealed is larger than the individual revealing it. When a government goes rogue like ours has, no one in its employ is under any obligation to honor any Omerta made. In fact, EVERY one of those trough sucking swine has the obligation to US…the ones who REALLY sign their paychecks to tell us what is being done “in our name” (remember THAT one, kiddies).
    Ok, so Snowden is a geek. Who cares……not every one in Super Secret Top Secret Covert Black Ops is gonna be Austin Freakin’ Powers.
    It’s a shame we target the messenger while completely ignoring the message.

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    The Irish Dragon growls and barks:

    Snowden is also a fucking traitor. He’s no different from Manning. I defy anyone here to say I trust the government or worse, the POS in the Oval Office, but I’m getting really fucking tired of people lionizing this piece of shit who ran to the fucking CHINESE with information that he gave his word to keep secret. There are legitimate ways to blow the whistle. This fucker was shopping around for the highest bidder to sell US national security information to. Fucking hang him.

    He has also lied about what exactly PRISM is. The Supreme Court, back in the ’70s, ruled that just collecting phone records, as it’s just phone numbers, which are technically public information, is legal. PRISM wasn’t wiretapping, wasn’t listening in. It was fucking lazy to just dragnet entire companies’ worth of information, but it wasn’t “Big Brother is listening to everything you say.”

    Motherfucking dammit this pisses me the fuck off. All of a sudden, everybody who condemned Manning is either lionizing Snowden, or worse, both of these treasonous fucktards. THEY GAVE NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION TO FOREIGN POWERS. When did we start to applaud treason when it’s our opponent in the White House? I used to think we were more rational than the Left, who applauded the same things when their guy was in that they screamed bloody murder about when they were out of power. But over the last six months I’ve seen more raving, ignorant hysteria from the Right, and it’s making me FUCKING PISSED. It’s why I increasingly stick to other SOF or intel veterans. I can expect more circumspection and less hysteria.

    FUCK, people. Calm the fuck down and do some real digging before you go off the fucking deep end. :em08:

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Combine this little cluster-fuck with the full-blown attack on patriotic Americans by the IRS…one wonders who the NSA or their puppet masters believe who the real “terrorists” are. I call “BULLSHIT” on the government using this program to fight Islamofascist terrorism. This is to identify members of the American resistance and ensure the tyrants know who they connect with.

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    watchyerlane growls and barks:

    I am calm. I am not lionizing this guy but why do we feel we need to obey laws this government refuses to? You want Snowden to obey laws of a government who itself refuses to observe those same laws? This administration has essentially wiped its ass with the Constitution but yet folks reserve their anger for the guy who told us what was going on.
    As for revealing the information, he revealed to our allies, the British and hid in Hong Kong because of the lack of extradition treaties.
    So which is worse? The government dismantling the Constitution or some guy telling us about it?
    Answer me this. Which one of the American press outlets would have run with this? NY TImes? Yeah, right. CNN? Yeah, hello. Nope, what would have happened is that Snowden would have went to the Washington Post with this and the Washington Post would have called their cousin, in-law, college roommate over at NSA and Snowden would have quietly disappeared and we would never have known this story.

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    kmhendu growls and barks:

    I don’t think many of us here are saying this guy is some sort of hero. But we do NOTtrust this government either. When you look at all the scandals in their totality you must come to the conclusion that tyranny now reigns in the USA and can only assume that this data mining is not for our benefit. Tell me again how many attacks this has stopped. And provide some evidence.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Pick a target.
    Plan.
    Prepare.
    Surveillance. .
    Practice.
    Practice More.
    Act.

    They are in a war with us already.
    Pay’em back.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Irish – just… no. You opine for a nation that’s dead. The rule of law is done in this country. There is no going back now.

    America is dead. It’s gone. Nothing is going to bring it back to life – the meat is hopelessly rotted, infested with maggots. It’s time to burn the corpse and build something else from the ashes.

    Follow the thought process from all of these four guys:

    http://www.dethguild.com/follow-the-tought-process-here/

    This government is our enemy – and it will be no matter who wins these worthless show-elections. The whole rotten edifice is untenable.

    The fact is, if we don’t deal with it, it is going to deal with us. The government has betrayed all of it’s oaths to you – to me – to the people – any oaths made to them, as they act in bad faith, are null and void. Non-binding.

    That’s simple contract law, with precedent stretching back into the middle-ages.

    They are oath-breakers, and we owe no loyalty to them any longer. None. They surrendered the protection and legitimacy that following the law provides. Without legitimacy, no oath made has weight.

    These bastards have surrendered their mandate. And they have done so willingly. Any action that causes them damage is now justified. They have openly declared themselves the foe or liberty.

    Anything goes.

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    The Irish Dragon growls and barks:

    Have Americans been put in camps yet? They were in the ’40s. Do you have to have a particular stamp to do business? That was Wilson. We survived Wilson, we survived twelve fucking years of FDR, we survived LBJ, we survived Carter. I’m sure the Republic was declared dead many times then, as well. The Clintons got their hands on FBI files to use against their political enemies, which was also blatantly illegal.

    You ever been in the middle of a civil war? I have. Don’t delude yourself that there are going to be any winners if it comes here. “Anything goes” is a slippery slope, and it’s only going to end in fire. In some of my darker times I think I’d welcome it; then I think back to the shit I’ve seen. Don’t be too quick to embrace war. There are other methods, the same sort of subversion that the Left has used for a century. They took it away from us, we can take it back, a little at a time, locally at first.

    Yes, these fuckers are corrupt. They act like any other corrupt, Third World government, or for that matter, like their predecessors in previous administrations. Some of the shit FDR pulled would curl your hair. They aren’t all that different from what we’ve seen before. The wheel turns.

    Put aside your emotions, step back, get some perspective.

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    I’ve said this before, but it seems to bear repeating…

    It is good and important that the American people know what is being done – in many cases ‘to them’ – without their consent, by their own government.

    It is good and important to know how this matter further demonstrates the specific and in-detail-deliberately illegal SOP of this administration, (now shown so many times as to even make satire impossible) allowing us to see more of the picture that was painted while we weren’t looking.

    …and for releasing the information that made us aware of all of this, Snowden should be dropped down a deep, dark hole and never again allowed to see the light of day – ‘Cause those are the rules, and he knew them when he started.

    Deep, dark hole…. Answer to ‘Traitor’ – Check.

    Now let’s get on to the rest of that, which is far, far more important, systemic and difficult.

    – MD

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    “Put aside your emotions, step back, get some perspective.”

    Let’s talk about perspective…

    The leftists in power on both sides of the snake make FDR look like a piker. My first vote was cast against Johnson – I’ve seen plenty, and will be my own judge when it comes to “perspective.”

    Don’t assume that you have a monopoly on dealing with and living in “the shit.” Plenty of us old fellers did our time, back when a man didn’t have a choice in the matter. I’ve held a friend’s hands as they bled out, begging me to save’em, knowing there was shit all I could do but tell lies till they got real quiet. I’ve seen leftovers of homes full of innocent people who did nothing wrong but be in the wrong place at the wrong time, in a war they didn’t want or start . We’ve been in some bad places and done some bad things. We’re just too polite to talk about it. Why relive the some of the worst points in your life unnecessarily?

    Yeah, maybe the knees have seen better years. But my eyes have never seen a government this out of control. FDR at his worst never violated the constitution this grievously, and I would argue they are turning this whole NATION into an internment camp. Fuck your 100,000 Japanese, I’ll raise you 359,000,000 Americans being locked in Gulag USSA.

    If you think I believe this will be some glorious affair, you haven’t been listening to what i’ve been writing. At all. I know how bad it is now, through the lens of a long life, and I know how bad it’s going to get, if you’d peruse some older threads, you will see that I harbor no illusions about the sort of fighting that’s coming.

    But since you’ve missed everything else I’ve written over the last years, then I don’t mind repeating myself some for your benefit:

    “War is the second worst word in language. Right after “slavery.” As bad as the coming civil war will be, sitting passively by, and allowing them to willingly make serfs of us will be worse.”

    I am fully aware of how awful war is. I’ve tasted it already, and spend a good number of years “talking to Jack” trying not to think about it over-much. It’s not much to my liking. It’s everything bad in life, all at once. But it’s not the WORST thing in life either.

    Worse than being in war is the reflections that take place afterwards. Living with yourself. Harder still is coping with knowing you did nothing when it was time to fight.

    I’ll be the first in line. I wont be happy about it, but nobody is when their number is up.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    @Irish Dragon –

    “Swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign -and domestic-.”

    Note that little bit there on the end, ‘and domestic’.

    And, let’s be brutally honest. Snowden didn’t reveal a goddamn thing we didn’t already suspect. He -confirmed- it. And, unlike Manning, he didn’t do it cause his feewings were hurt, as Manning admits to, but because he believed that what the NSA was doing was -wrong-. I’d also note, he’s not released anything that’s put american or allied lives at risk, unlike Manning.

    And, honestly, if you don’t understand why collecting data on ‘who called who, where, and when’ is a serious and dangerous thing for the government to have, you’re probably not qualified to discuss the subject at hand.

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    LC & IB RightWingRocker growls and barks:

    “The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed.”

    Douchebag or not, this is an undeniable truth.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician @ #:

    Sure – and doing what’s right doesn’t always work out well for you – hasn’t always for me…

    Character is knowing that and doing what’s right anyway.

    It is unreasonable to think that you’re going to break laws – particularly these kinds of laws – and then expect to get a ‘pass’ afterward – those guys are usually hailed as heroes sometime after they’re dead.

    Obviously, Snowden knew this as well, or he wouldn’t have run to HK.

    It’s easy to get bogged down in this – consider also that if what the NSA was doing was Illegal, then what Snowden was doing for the NSA was Illegal, even if he was ‘Follovink Oah-Dahs’…. and correct me if I’m wrong, but I think we’re all pretty upset about people doing illegal things without repercussions – – and we are, because we want the system to work… (deliberate pause)

    …..Or we could put this aside & get on to the bigger problem.

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    LC MuscleDaddy says:

    …..Or we could put this aside & get on to the bigger problem.

    And I don’t know how long it will be, nor who it will be that speaks the exact words we need to hear that will start the party. Nor, for that matter, how we will hear it. As pissed as so many of us are, as many of us would like to just get the show on the road, if it is piece meal it is nothing. But the reason I linked that particular video is the title: When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    There’s safety and/or a good buck in parroting the party line. Why question the very establishment that provides you with an easy life? It’s much the same as another McCain said – there is nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.

    Or, as the Computer said in Paranoia: You are in error. No one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    watchyerlane @ #:

    the ones who REALLY sign their paychecks

    Then the Federal Reserve is the ultimate boss, since they are the ones generating most of the government’s money. Tax receipts don’t even begin to cover it.

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    The Irish Dragon says:

    Snowden is also a fucking traitor. He’s no different from Manning.

    Sorry, but you’re wrong.

    Manning stole nearly a million documents, and released them willy nilly for no other reason than he was pissed off at the Army for not showing him the respect he felt he deserved. He didn’t care that he compromised sources, assets, TTPs and other sensitive information. He didn’t care that he revealed information about our SOF to our adversaries. He didn’t care that he released lists of our critical infrastructure (and those of our allies) to the Internet. If he had wanted to release only evidence of government wrongdoing, he wouldn’t have stolen everything on his SIPR drive and released it as retaliation for being caught.

    Snowden committed a crime. He violated his oath, his contract and he should have taken it up the chain before tossing classified info into the press. That said, he took only the information he believed needed to be exposed and did just that. Comparing him to that piece of shit Manning is disingenuous.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LC & IB RightWingRocker @ #:

    “The consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed.”

    Douchebag or not, this is an undeniable truth.

    Unfortunately, in the eyes of the Supreme Court, you consent by the mere act of being born here (or becoming naturalized), and that consent can only be revoked through the rather lengthy and expensive process of renouncing your citizenship; otherwise, you have no right not to consent.

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    LC Roguetek says:

    And, let’s be brutally honest. Snowden didn’t reveal a goddamn thing we didn’t already suspect. He -confirmed- it. And, unlike Manning, he didn’t do it cause his feewings were hurt, as Manning admits to, but because he believed that what the NSA was doing was -wrong-. I’d also note, he’s not released anything that’s put american or allied lives at risk, unlike Manning.

    BINGO!

  23. 23
    LC Fei Long growls and barks:

    Whooooops, I impersonate a video game Bruce Lee clone character on the Internet. Looks like I don’t have any credibility, guys!

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    Terrapod growls and barks:

    Lived under socialist rule up to age 18 – check
    Seen Argentina go belly up economically 4 times in my lifetime – check
    Worked 7 years for extended visits and land, air and water travel in the peoples paradise of the PRC to places no round eye had reached before – check
    Been shaken down by third world corrupt officials – check
    Been to HK under British rule, then experienced the panic the month before handover to the PRC – check
    Seen Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech republic immediately after liberation then 10 years later – check
    Lived in the UK prior to the muzzy second and third gen. presence, then seen it again in 2011 – check
    Commuted through the Paris suburbs under muzzy control before and after car-b-q season – check

    From all this I tell you we are no where near the breaking point yet, humans will tolerate a lot of totalitarianism and some do not ever throw off the yoke. I just pray we get to use the soap box and ballot box before resorting to the matchbox, tinderbox or cartridge box and that the rule of law will be restored, along with faith, family and morality. The alternative is not something I want myself or my children and grandchildren to live through as it will take 100 years or longer to recover, assuming the constitutionalistas win the war and not the progressista commie power hungry soulless, godless vermin. The good news is that Americans have survived worse. May we prevail this time and avoid Ragnarök.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Hemp:

    Follow the thought process from all of these four guys:

    http://www.dethguild.com/follow-the-tought-process-here/

    Now if Dethguild would discern the difference between “its” & “it’s”…

    Fa:

    There’s safety and/or a good buck in parroting the party line. Why question the very establishment that provides you with an easy life?

    I suspect that doesn’t apply to most of us here.

    Unfortunately, in the eyes of the Supreme Court, you consent by the mere act of being born here (or becoming naturalized), and that consent can only be revoked through the rather lengthy and expensive process of renouncing your citizenship; otherwise, you have no right not to consent.

    “Consent” =/= citizenship.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LC Xystus @ #:

    “Consent” =/= citizenship.

    As a rhetorical point, maybe not; under the law of the land, it does. The government is not bound to individuals in any way. Individuals are bound to the government.

    I suspect that doesn’t apply to most of us here.

    True enough. Like as not, most lack both the connections necessary to profit and the willingness to be subservient.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    The Irish Dragon @ #:

    Brother, easy now, please.

    Yes, I’m getting all queasy at the hero worship going on in some quarters myself, because he ain’t all that in my opinion, at least it hasn’t been proven yet that he’s done anything heroic. That’s a pretty high bar to clear, in my opinion, so I am so very much not in that camp.

    What I think is ridiculous is how a lot of people, some on our side as well, are completely ignoring the giant elephant in the room in order to spend time ridiculing the certainly ridiculous sides of his personality. It’s straight out of the Alinsky playbook: Isolate, polarize and destroy. If you can’t attack what somebody’s saying, attack the person who’s saying it instead.

    No, I am not saying that he’s a wonderful, all-American, super kid (I don’t know him well enough to make that judgment), what I am saying is that none of that matters one tiny little bit. What matters is not the courier, it’s the information that he carries.

    Nor am I saying that he’s not guilty of a crime, because he most certainly is. Of course, when the loyalty he violated was to a criminal, corrupt syndicate of goons, one might ask oneself what fitting punishment might be. Should we have shipped the Soviet defectors back to the Soviet Union for prosecution there? After all, they most definitely did commit a crime against their former masters as well.

    Everybody loves the betrayal but they hate the betrayer.

    And I will most certainly, CERTAINLY agree that if current allegations are true, that he’s babbling to our enemies like a fricking canary, then he definitely IS a traitor, end of discussion. Actually, that he’s already told the Chinese that we’re hacking their shit is enough for that label. You can’t make THAT go away with an “appeal to the rule of law”. Not that the soulless, murdering commies didn’t already know that, not to mention that they’ve been doing it to us for ages, so their outrage only serves to confirm that there isn’t a Chinese word for “irony”, but he handed them confirmation of the fact.

    What he did, whether that was his intention or not, and I honestly don’t give a hoot what his intentions were, was to tell us that everything we’d ever suspected about our own government abusing their power against US was absolutely, posifuckingtively true, and I really don’t have a problem with that.

    Do I give a rat’s arse if the same SCOTUS that recently decided that ObamaCare isn’t a tax when it comes to whether they can make a ruling on it but IS a tax when they need a way to call it Constitutional once said that what the NSA does is legal?

    No. I. Don’t.

    Because the Constitution fucking says that it ISN’T, and that’s the ONLY set of laws, other than G-d’s, that I give a tinker’s cuss about.

    And finally, does it matter whether it’s “our guy” doing it or “their guy” doing it? I’m sorry to say this but yes, yes it DOES. In principle it doesn’t matter who wields the power to violate the Constitution at will, you should always be very, very wary of handing over such powers to anybody, but handing over the power doesn’t mean that it will by definition be abused.

    When some of us very reluctantly got behind the PATRIOT Act, and I felt icky all over worrying about what future administrations might use it for, it was with the understanding that those extra powers would be used against ENEMIES of the United States, not against OURSELVES and that, if any future administration tried to fuck with that, our much vaunted and once effective “checks and balances” would get the fuckers locked up in a hurry.

    That last bit was a naive belief, I realize now, but I have to admit that back then I couldn’t imagine a future administration with no fucking principles at ALL, a future administration with a “press” corps that would make Pravda and Izvestiya look like unimpeachable sources of objective information, a future administration that would use the IRS as their personal Sturmabteilungen to suppress dissent in order to steal elections, a future administration that would export weapons to foreign murderers in Mexico, getting hundreds of innocents murdered as a result, a future administration that… The list goes on and fucking on.

    In the hands of SUCH an administration, a thoroughly treasonous, criminal, unconstitutional, corrupt, unprincipled, fascistic gang of tyrants, it DOES make a difference whether it’s “their guy” or “our guy.”

    George W Bush was not my Favorite President of All Times, he wasn’t even close, but last I checked he never even got close the the abuses, crimes and acts of treason that have been daily occurrences throughout the Five Damnable Years of the Ogabe Tyranny.

    They are illegitimate through their own acts of treason, they command no respect or loyalty, and the only place they ought to be, every single motherfucking traitor sons of whores ONE of them, is at the end of a rope, dangling in the wind.

    Thatisall.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Shorter version of the above:

    When a government has lost ALL legitimacy as the current Junta has through their numerous crimes against the Supreme Law of the Land, then all of their edicts, commands and “laws” become null and void, to be ignored at will. You may follow them as long as doing so does not violate your Oath, but you don’t have to.

    We’re constantly reminded that Ogabe is the Commander-in-Chief, which is true. Well, to keep it in military terms, when a commanding officer is so very clearly incompetent and violating the law, he must be relieved of command. By force if necessary. And, at any rate, you are no longer under no obligation to obey his orders. Nothing he or any of his numerous minions have to say is more valid than a random homeless person wandering into your home and declaring himself King of your neighborhood as far as the law is concerned.

    Illegitimate government is NOT government, no matter how much force it has to put behind its claim to legitimacy. Sure, they are powerful enough to FORCE you or at least make your life very unpleasant if you resist, but that does NOT make their authority in any way legitimate. Might does NOT make right.

    That’s tyranny.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    Illegitimate government is NOT government, no matter how much force it has to put behind its claim to legitimacy. Sure, they are powerful enough to FORCE you or at least make your life very unpleasant if you resist, but that does NOT make their authority in any way legitimate.

    Of course, therein lies the rub….

    Until you/me/we/somebody can convince enough people that there is a better option to follow if they get rid of the current system, and convince them to a level where they’re willing to accept the heavy collective (and individual) punishment(s) that will result when the attempt to throw off the current system gets under way, ain’t nobody doin’ nothin’ of consequence.

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    bruce growls and barks:

    we can trust president bongo because he would never use the nsa,irs,epa, or osha to punish his political “enemies.this fucking traitor needs rope and a light post with some assembly.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/06/evidence-for-ugly-proposition.html

    Evidence For An Ugly Proposition: I’m a bit pressed this morning, so I’ll make this quick and blunt:

    The federal government:

    – Has decided to ignore the Constitution,
    – Is in the process of suppressing dissent by force,
    – And can no longer be stopped by peaceful means.

    If you’re new to these ideas, you may rest assured, Gentle Reader, that others are not.
    – Francis W. Porretto

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    bruce growls and barks:

    snownden saw what happened to other whistleblowers so he went to the press.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    http://www.dailypundit.com/?p=73079

    Those who kneejerk that Ed Snowden is a traitor for exposing the cancerous state over-reach currently expanding at a mind-boggling pace are traitors themselves to the motivating ideals and spiritual foundations of the United States Constitution.

    Moreover, they’re suicidal idiots, because whether they understand it or not, they are hoping that Leviathan devours them last. The correct remedy is not to punish the healer who rips off the scabs covering corruption, it is to cure the corruption itself. Acceding to tyranny in the name of jingoistic, mindless patriotism is literally to trade liberty for security. But who will then keep you and your liberties secure from the ravening jaws of the all-powerful, all-knowing state?
    – Bill Quick

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Snowdens a HERO. Period.And if history deems otherwise, we ALL lose

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    They will charge him with treason and sedition. The Obama administration’s solution for this whistleblower, is to execute him, as quickly as possible.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E. says:

    They will charge him with treason and sedition. The Obama administration’s solution for this whistleblower, is to execute him, as quickly as possible.
    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E.

    Greenwald: Obama administration known for targeting whistleblowers
    Glenn Greenwald, columnist for The Guardian, discusses Edward Snowden’s decision to be a whistleblower and the danger to individuals who shed light on classified government programs.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/52288327#52288327

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    I hope they have as much luck with Snowden as they have had in bringing to jail the Benghazi killers and the fast and furious truths.
    Perhaps those are the files the Obe calls treason.