A gut check

This is going to be a rather long essay. Forgive my long winded musing here, but there probably isn’t any other way to convey the thoughts I have on the subject of Snowden and his actions. I’ve been musing this Snowden and NSA situation over for several days. It’s by no means a subject that has any easy hard and fast answers. If anything it’s forced me to gut check myself and my reactions to this steaming pile of a mess.

Let’s put this up front and center mass if you will – As far as I see it, Snowden is no Hero – so, does that mean he is a traitor? I don’t know. At the very least legally speaking Snodwen is at least in the accused felon echelon – how high of a crime he’s committed and does it rise to the level of treason – remains, in my mind, to be seen. But I’ll circle back on this point later.

As conservative’s and or libertarians for some of you on this blog – I’d think we’d need to be careful about a rush to judgment on Snodwen and his actions. And while I personally don’t believe him a hero of any sort – that statement comes from a few avenues.

One, looking at the over all big picture here – I’ve become rather uneasy with some comments I see by so called or self proclaimed conservatives on various sites around the web. One easily can peruse thousands of sites and find ‘conservatives’ singing Snodwens praises, deeming him some Obama/Big Brother slaying hero and patriot….and reading those comments evoked almost the exact same gut reaction I have if I were to go to Dummies Underground and KosKids and read back through the archives there from in the Bush years.

We loudly and wholeheartedly, sometimes  heatedly, condemned more than one Dummies out there for BDS or “Bush Derangement Syndrome” – accused fellow citizens of being frothing at the mouth retards and worse when they hurled out accusations of the Bush Admin of trampling on the Constitution. A lot of those accusations had valid reasoning behind them on both sides.  Yet now, it would seem to me that blinded by hatred of all things Democrat and Obama – Some ‘conservatives’ seemingly are falling into that same emotional pit as the Dummies- lashing out at this Administration at the least little provocations. They are willing to bend the rules here for Snowden and proclaim him “hero of the people” and by doings so they suddenly drop the “rule of law” concept on the floor like a pair of skid marked drawers.

Make no mistake – I hate the very air Obama breathes – he’s a chump – a two bit punk that couldn’t find his ass with a GPS,  road-map and a flash light, he’s got our healthcare in a fucking shambles, Economy is sputtering, Jobless rates are high, our foreign policy looks like a three ring circus, he’s has been called out on Unconstitutional actions by the courts,  and he’s done NOTHING since 2008 that has positively impacted this country. Nothing. So don’t take my words out of context here and assume I am suddenly championing the Obama administration. I am not.

Two, anytime I see conservatives suddenly agreeing with idiot liberals – I get leery – something ain’t right. Surly the gates of hell have opened, the smell of brimstone is choking …. that’s a joke, in case you didn’t get my dry sarcasm here.

So why is it that I’m saying Snowden is no hero? Its fairly straightforward as I see it.

Hero’s don’t throw away agreements that they sign like a used candy wrapper . Snowden – to have access to the documents he had – had a Security Clearance granted to him via the US Government. Part of holding said clearance would have been a non disclosure agreement between him and the US Government – that he signed with at least one witness present. It’s not quite an oath like the military folk swear to but more of a promise you make to the US Government.It is in fact a legal document.

This agreement even goes so far as to have a ‘debrief’ portion that anyone with a security clearance will once again sign upon their leaving that job. It warns the employee that they are still bound by the agreements they signed and are not authorized to discuss any of the classified government information they may have worked with. Pretty much ever, as in NEVER.

Let me guess…I guess our ‘hero’ forgot that ?

State secrets and classified material have a shelf life sometimes for decades. Added into this any disclosure of them can cause harm to the US Government – now when I say US Government – I don’t mean the Punk I mentioned above stuffing his maw with Waygu beef and jet setting around the country to hob nob with Jay-Lo and Jay-Z on the tax payers dime. No, When I say the US Government – We are the government – good, bad, warts, and boils. The Government is ….You and I.

Part of that phrase “cause harm to the US Government” is layered in differing severity levels. Low level classified stuff you get a amber light sort of thing . “release could cause harm to the United States.

Take it another level and that amber light starts flashing and a bell goes off – ‘Release could or may cause serious  harm to the United States’

Go for broke like Snowden or Bradely Manning did? Red lights and klaxons start going off .

“Release WILL cause grave harm to the United States”.  And in this case – it already has – it’s divulged information to Al Qaeda and others  that will allow them to adjust their tactics and make it more difficult to intercept them at their work. You think every turban wearing ak-47 Wielding Jihadi didn’t just dump every fucking Hotmail, Yahoo, G-mail and whatever other E-mail account he has? I’ll put money on the fact that they did.

Let’s say Achmed is out there on his G-mail and he’s tossing back and forth ideas on how to best kill the Yankee infidel with Abdul on Hotmail. That’s being monitored, and just for the sake of argument lets say it’s all legit, they have the FISA warrants in place etc,  the NSA has these E-mails back and forth and their feeding them to the FBI or CIA, and they’re watching them closely. It’s took a few months to actually establish the patterns and key words being used that they are looking for but sure enough Ol Achemd and Abdul fit the profile to a tee – so you wait and you watch.

Now – enter Snowden’s release of the NSA program called PRISM – and guess what – Achemd and Abdul watch CNN just like the rest of the world and just dumped everything – months of work and evidence building are now null and void. The NSA, CIA, FBI whoever is privy to that information is now back to square one, and they have to start all over again searching for these two in a entire vast digital universe.

Grave danger? Yeah I think so…How about….Like him or not – Obama just had to go eye to eye with the Chinese – and he had to do so with a albatross hung around his neck thanks to Mr. Snowden. Any position of power he might have had going into those talks – just got wiped out by Snowdens actions. The Chinese are probably chortling with glee that this broke when it did, and their liable to tell Ol’ Barry – “Oh so… solly Barry…fuck off”.

Or maybe our hero Snowden needs to explain to his countrymen his actions when that ‘Grave danger’ manifests itself via the next terror attack because Johnnie Jihad Abdule and Achmed were able to get something done without anyone the wiser – and United States innocents die by the dozens…that’s Snowden’s “heroics” in play. Remember – we, you and I,  ARE the United States. Snowden just put you and me and the entire UNITED STATES in the “Grave harm” zone.

Hero’s also don’t drop a line to the first leftist rag scribbler he can find and blow town. He stands his ground and does his duty – but not Mr. Snowden – he’s off in Hong Kong defying the law to come get him, and raising the ante to boot..he’s threatened to release yet more documents to the press.

Let’s say again for the sake of the argument he’s right – NSA is reading this post before I send it across the web  – my E-mails my texts all of it with out a warrant – they’ve broke the law as sure as the sun rises in the east. But two fucking wrongs will never make a right. Not now, not ever. And that’s where Snowden has screwed the pooch. He had multiple resources at his disposal to blow the whistle on this illegal activity yet he choose – willfully choose – to divulge information entrusted to him to unauthorized entities. Hero? I think not.

As information surrounding Snowden emerges – we find out this guys a HS drop out – couldn’t cut it even in Community College, and basically from all accounts I’ve read thus far – your text book example of an over inflated sense of self-worth egotistical asshole. What the fuck he was doing handling some of the most sensitive data the country has – I couldn’t guess, but somehow he got there…and now we as a country have been placed in “grave harm’s” path.

Some hero we got here. John Walker thought we was some sort of hero too…communist sympathizer that he was. I remember using crypto in the USN knowing full damn well it was useless thanks to Walker and his treasonous acts and the Russian Bear was listening … Nice Company you’re keeping there Mr. Hero Eric.

I honestly don’t know that his actions rise to the level of Treason. Personally? I’d like nothing more than to see him catch a bullet- he IMHO deserves it full and good. But Legally speaking – he hasn’t actively sought out the enemies of the United States and gave them the information, That’s what Treason is. But to call this guy a hero – Never, not unless we are going to start letting the left dictate the very meaning of the word ‘hero’ to us, and if we do…we might as well accept Michael Moores definition of “Freedom Fighter while we’re at it, and  just jump into the cesspool of emotions run amok right along side those Dummies and KosKids.

Have a good weekend pups…

 

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Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

I don’t think he is a hero at all. I had a security clearance when I worked with DARPA in the 90’s….it wasn’t that easy to get, wonder how he got his so easily.

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

He needs to be tried. Now being convicted? That’s another story. Another story just came out regarding Sharyl Attkisson. If you recall, she has been the only MSM reporter digging into Benghazi. A few months ago she said she thought her computers had been broken into. Well, they confirmed that she has been hacked and it was fairly sophisticated. So… Read more »

JonB
JonB

Snowden’s actions have brought to light the fact that conservatives and many other true Americans have not yet come to face the reality that it is time to define who we are and what we stand for. “We stand for freedom!” is not a valid retort. We need to decide what we stand for, and whether or not the current… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

I get the gist of what your saying CISSnarls. I haven’t yet come to any conclusions of where this guy falls in my honorable or not honorable behavior spectrum. Its almost like the “one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist”thing. But then again my world is upside down. I have always been a patriot, tried to be a good… Read more »

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
VonZorch Imperial Researcher

Snarl, Three little things. 1. PRISM was obviously in violation of the Constitution, you know, that annoying Fourth Amendment, where it requires a search warrant to specify where the search is to take place and what is to be searched for. The FISC has as its purview suspected foreign intelligence agents, not the whole US population. 2. “A law repugnant… Read more »

LC ShadowFox
LC ShadowFox

There’s 2 things about Snowden that have made me be silent while others sing his praises. 1: People ‘striking a blow for freedom’ may run away to places like Canada, Iceland or New Zealand. They DON’T go to China. 2: Even if they do, China does NOT shelter them. Not unless they’ve given China something they want which would be… Read more »

LC Robohobo
LC Robohobo

I agree with Zorch. Is he a hero? May be, may be not. But I do know that the current regime in DC is nothing but Feral Government, who for your own ‘good’ would make you slaves. Rooster crows at the break of dawn A mother dies without her only son A doctor laughs in the face of disease I… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

Like as not, it will take quite some time to determine where the guy falls on the good guy/bad guy scale. Yeah, he broke his NDA. Of course, the gummint’s been breaking its part of the social contract for years. It does what it pleases with respect to the populace, so they can’t be overly surprised when people start doing… Read more »

Emperor Misha I
Emperor Misha I

Yeah, this whole case is a bit of a pickle, isn’t it? Running off to the ChiComs and allegedly chatting them up isn’t exactly something that gives me the warm and fuzzies, because I very much doubt that he’ll just be saying what he’s already been telling the world. What would the value in that be for them? I understand… Read more »

LC Xystus
LC Xystus

We are the government – good, bad, warts, and boils. The Government is ….You and I.

I wish.

bruce
bruce

does any one think president bongo does not use this against his enemies,we the people.he used every other government agency against us.

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

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MarineVet1995
MarineVet1995

Let’s say again for the sake of the argument he’s right – NSA is reading this post before I send it across the web – my E-mails my texts all of it with out a warrant – they’ve broke the law as sure as the sun rises in the east. But two fucking wrongs will never make a right. Not… Read more »

LC Xystus
LC Xystus

LC Gladiator:

The List Of Carnivore
And Eschelon [Echelon?] Keywords

The list below contains many of the keywords the Government Spooks search YOUR email, phone and chat for….

Not sure of your source, but one could have some fun with this info, establishing anonymous/sock-puppet accounts & salting his (bogus) email with these terms.

watchyerlane
watchyerlane

He doesn’t have to be a hero to be right. Who was going to rat out this rogue government but a guy on the inside? You guys are making this rogue government out to be one of the 5 families with their Omerta bullshit. Snowden was right to do what he did, I won’t call him a hero but then… Read more »

LC Jackboot IC/A
LC Jackboot IC/A

Emperor Misha I says: Did it hurt us? I’m not so very sure, unless the Haji fuckers are even more stupid than I already consider them to be (and that’s quite a bit), but even assuming that it did: Is that reason enough to turn a blind eye to the hurt that is being done, in direct violation of the… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Xystus says:

Not sure of your source, but one could have some fun with this info

The List Of Carnivore And Eschelon Keywords – Rense

http://www.rense.com/general66/scgh.htm

Im not sure Id want to poke that bear for “fun”

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Igor, Imperial Booby
Igor, Imperial Booby

Do I think he’s a hero? His actions belie that statement. Do I think he did something good? Yes. Do I think he did something harmful to the country? Jury’s out on that, we need at lease ten years to say yes or no. *I* say no. I freely admit under oath that I’ve been horribly wrong before, but my… Read more »

LC_Salgak
LC_Salgak

LC ShadowFox says: There’s 2 things about Snowden that have made me be silent while others sing his praises. 1: People ‘striking a blow for freedom’ may run away to places like Canada, Iceland or New Zealand. They DON’T go to China. 2: Even if they do, China does NOT shelter them. Not unless they’ve given China something they want… Read more »