So now we have a name for the anonymous whistle blower who added warrantless, unconstitutional, illegal, treasonous surveillance of everything that every single citizen does when they’re using any sort of telecommunications device to the long list of treasonous, impeachable, hanging offenses committed by Der Fubar and his Junta.
Now, obviously, this is the Grauniad, not exactly the most reliable of sources but, on the other hand, also one of the least likely sources for information that could be damaging to the Lyin’ King and his Utopia of Next Tuesday™. Also, we already have confirmation from the telecoms and ISPs who initially denied it that this thing actually happens, so whether or not to believe it is really a moot point now.
Best of luck, kid, you did good. Gutsy call, and we mean an actual gutsy call, because you’re in for it now. Sure, bumping you off would put the toothpaste back in the tube, but it might just intimidate the ones who haven’t blown the whistle yet to stuff that whistle right back under the mattress.
And anybody who thinks for a nanosecond that the serial liar and traitor who currently infests 1600 Penn Ave wouldn’t order that done is seriously, at this point, too fucking stupid to breathe.
Particularly since it, like the NSA scandal itself, the IRS scandal, the EPA scandal, the HHS scandal, the Fast and Furious scandal and so on and so forth, would have absolutely zero consequences for Der Fubar and his Neues Reich. It would just be a matter of a few weeks of the likes of Issa banging their chests, furrowing their brows, “investigating” and having interminable hearings until they set down a super sekrit double probation super committee who might come up with some “recommendations” (that will never be enforced), declare the case dealt with and closed and then the unconscionable swine of DC will go right back to Business As Usual, thinking up new ways of shredding the Constitution while pretending not to.
All hat and no fucking cattle.
Nothing will happen, nothing will change, nobody will be held accountable (unless paid vacations and promotions can be called “consequences”) and the swine in Congress will pat themselves on the back and tell everybody else to go right back to sleep. “It’s been dealt with, so shut up already.”
Nothing good has ever come from DC, nothing good ever will come from DC, as long as they’re not held personally and criminally accountable whenever they as much as think about pissing outside the lines, and to expect them to hold themselves accountable through hearings and committees (made up by people they’ve carefully chosen to come up with the answer that they want them to come up with) is every bit as mind-crushingly idiotically naive as thinking that Reichsführer der SS Heinrich Holder’s investigation of himself for wrongdoing is ever going to come up with a conclusion other than “nothing to see here, move along.”
Any sort of actual consequences is going to take, as they say in German, “andere Methoden.”
Tick, tock, tick, tock…
Thatisall.
Like I’ve said…It’s going to be a long, hot summer. I just hope and pray there’s something left to save when the ugliness begins because these bastards have had 40+ years to infect America and cancer can’t be cut out overnight…
Looks like the media initially got his first name wrong – It’s Eric. This could be one hell of a story. The Fifth Column in the Fourth Estate will attempt to make the story about Snowden, and look for any way to attack his credibility. But this might be a real wake up call. Some stalwart progressives like Krugman, Matthews… Read more »
According to a Drudge link, Snowden is in Hong Kong, and is considering defecting to China. He expects never to see his home again. You KNOW that he’d likely be arrested if he ever returned.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
“Any sort of actual consequences is going to take, as they say in German, “andere Methoden.””
Isn’t the proper term Sonderbehandlung?
LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. @ #: Snowden is in Hong Kong, and is considering defecting to China. Makes him look less like a patriot and more like a modern Kim Philby. Getting out of Dodge, sure – makes sense to a degree if he’s disillusioned with the government and/or fearful of it. Taking knowledge of a lot of military and… Read more »
Military told not to read Obama-scandal news The U.S. Air Force is ordering members of the service not to look at news stories about it. WND has received an unclassified NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) that warns airmen not to look at news stories related to the data-mining scandal. The notice applies to users of the Air Force NIPRNET (Non-classified Internet… Read more »
“Nothing will happen, nothing will change, nobody will be held accountable” – And it is way past time for us to quit expecting them too. It is going to take Americans to fix this mess we are in, just like Americans did a couple of hundred years ago.
readerjp says: “Users are not to use AF NIPRNET systems to access the Verizon phone records collection and other related news stories because the action could constitute a Classified Message Incident.” That’s actually not necessarily as ominous as it sounds, if things work over here the way I’m used to from elsewhere. You see, those documents, which have been shown… Read more »
angrywebmaster says:
I’m stretching here, but no, I don’t think they have any sanctions on domestic information collection. You’re conflating posse comitatus with military operations (other than the USCG and the National Guard, following call up) and NSA is a civilian agency.
LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:
So is the CIA and they are forbidden to operate inside the CONUS. However, I don’t have enough information on the NSA and the law to say that they don’t with certitude.
However, if they do have that privilege, I suspect they may be about to lose it.
angrywebmaster says: So is the CIA and they are forbidden to operate inside the CONUS. However, I don’t have enough information on the NSA and the law to say that they don’t with certitude. Good point and I concur with you. angrywebmaster says: However, if they do have that privilege, I suspect they may be about to lose it. The… Read more »
Why do we need both NSA and Homeland Security??
Anybody still interested in storing all their info in the “Cloud” anymore?
There are two issues that I have with him and what he did but I’m holding off judgment until the facts come out. 1. Is there any evidence that he tried to report his concerns? As a contractor, he had access to an Ethics Officer and a lawyer with his company and the NSA. And he would have been kept… Read more »
NR Pax @ #: Is there any evidence that he tried to report his concerns? As a contractor, he had access to an Ethics Officer and a lawyer with his company and the NSA. And he would have been kept anonymous. Can you be sure about that? I’ve had situations where I was told anything I said was considered “privileged”… Read more »
Why do we need both NSA and Homeland Security?? NSA hires mathematicians, engineers and linguists. They are a ‘small’ organization that keeps us knowing what the rest of the world is doing and keeping them from figuring out what we are doing. Hence, not being able to export certain crypt codes to foreign countries. Homeland security is a huge Juggernaut… Read more »
angrywebmaster says:
wasn’t Manning also a PAID whistleblower?
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:
I have no idea. If so, what did he get? The promise of multiple blowjobs from Assange?
From what little information I have heard and gleaned, Hong Kong was a “bug-out” option – Snowden explained the whichness of the why in an interview that I heard this morning on Glenn Beck Radio. If what he says is even remotely true, it may look bad (and the point was discussed in the interview) but it also was a… Read more »
off topic Marco Rubio: In immigration reform, legalization comes first — ‘It is not conditional’ June 10, 2013 | Byron York Chief Political Correspondent The Washington Examiner In a Spanish-language interview Sunday with the network Univision, Sen. Marco Rubio said that legalization of the nation’s 11 million currently illegal immigrants must happen before any new border security or internal enforcement… Read more »
Snowden interview…
– MD
People/pundits across the nation are debating was it right or was it wrong. I have a question – who would wish we could go back to the point where we (the people) did not know this information? We can no more turn back time than we can stop the monster that has been created. We, the people, by our heads… Read more »
…and just for the record, I’m going to say the same thing about Snowden that I said about Manning… It was a good & important thing for him to do this – it needed to be done… ..and for the doing, he should be thrown down a deep, dark hole and never again see the light of day. ‘Cause those… Read more »
snowden only told us that your boy bongo was and is violating our fourth amendment rights from unreasonable search and seizure while your butt buddie gave up secrets that ended peoples lives.no law can over ride the constitution draft dodger!
I keep seeing this meme that “we all knew they were doing that”. Well no, no I didn’t. I knew they were CAPABLE of doing it, but not that they were actively capturing everything. And if any think that the NSA is anywhere near the end all be all agency when it comes to surveillance, well I know differnt. Unless… Read more »
LC TerribleTroy says:
I don’t trust ANY government with that kind of power.
Oh, and that should be “The only one who can declassify it is the CLASSIFICATION authority or higher.” I’m a writing retard today.
I knew they were CAPABLE of doing it, but not that they were actively capturing everything. And if any think that the NSA is anywhere near the end all be all agency when it comes to surveillance, well I know differnt. Unless they closed the particular entity I have first hand knowledge of. No one with the security clearance to… Read more »
Lookee here you hyper assuptive dickhead I never said I worked for the NSA. Go back and read the post. I indicated that I waw aware of a surveillance entity that isn’t as known as the NSA. With that said, I don’t know what vast wealth of experience you draw to support your statement, but please feel free to kiss… Read more »
This is actually a great development for those who love liberty because id be willing to bet this is an issue that can galvanize the country against statism.
LC TerribleTroy says: I keep seeing this meme that “we all knew they were doing that”. Well no, no I didn’t. I knew they were CAPABLE of doing it, but not that they were actively capturing everything. And if any think that the NSA is anywhere near the end all be all agency when it comes to surveillance, well I… Read more »
LC & IB Snarl, etc.:
On Great Salt Lake? Could be nice!
Forty-six plus comments and not a single mention of the section of our ultimate law that was broken by our government: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and… Read more »
Jack O’ Spades @ #:47 Snowden violated the law, but that was jaywalking compared to what our government is doing and I’m damned glad he did. I think perhaps the focus being on Snowden rather than our true enemy simply has to do with how “we” hold ourselves accountable in life. Your point is well made, and the jaywalking compared… Read more »
I’ve been reading all the walking Statist hemorrhoids in congress saying Snowden committed treason. Not surprising since these morons never actually read the constitution in the first place and know that treason is the one law defined in that fine document. Sorry Crybaby Bohener, he broke the law, but it wasn’t treason. Now, suppose for the sake of argument, Snowden… Read more »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=217c80nGFLI – Glenn Greenwald: We Have Several More Stories to Release on NSA Surveillance Scandal
LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondant says: That’s fucking Absurd. You learn that off of Mother Jones or some other leftist steaming pile of dog shit web site? There is no one single “contracting” entity in the business of Contracting to the US Government that does not answer to the US Government. To do so would violate so many… Read more »
I wonder, this meme that “we all knew they were doing it”. Does this extend to the badguys or just us cynical american non-terrorist types? Point being, on one hand we all “knew” but on the other hand, the leak let’s our enemy know our tactics. If it was common knowledge, how did the badguys not know along with “everybody”… Read more »
LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondant says: There is no one single “contracting” entity in the business of Contracting to the US Government that does not answer to the US Government. To do so would violate so many fucking laws I wouldn’t even know where to start the discussion at. There is a COR(Contracting oversite and regulation) officer, various… Read more »
LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondant says: There is no one single “contracting” entity in the business of Contracting to the US Government that does not answer to the US Government. To do so would violate so many fucking laws I wouldn’t even know where to start the discussion at. There is… Read more »