No, There is No Such Thing as “Gay Rights”

We really didn’t want to even begin talking about that Florida case where an 18 year old girl had allegedly consensual sex with a 14 year old girl because, seriously, don’t we have better things to talk about than teenagers being teenagers?

But then we read this article which, for the pile of liberal dreck that is Slate, is actually fairly evenhanded. Until you reach the end of it where the author reveals what she really thinks, but that’s par for the course with propaganda broadsheets like that.

The offender, one Kaitlyn Hunt, is now staring at a maximum of 15 years in the pen because she refused to cop to a plea which would have given her 2 years of house arrest, proving that having sex with a minor isn’t the only item on her Stupid Menu. However, in her defense, she was probably encouraged by the howling of outrageously outraged liberal pedophiles signing by the tens of thousands a petition demanding that she go scot free. Here’s a hint, Katie: 45,000 morons saying that the law shouldn’t be the law doesn’t magically make the law not the law.

But what really got our goat was the predictable cries of “homophobia” and “gay rights” from the pedophile left.

Er, no. While it’s perfectly possible, but far from proven in any way (and at any rate it’s not a crime no matter how much you leftist swine would like to make it so), that the parents of the victim are “homophobes”, it’s also completely and utterly irrelevant.

The law doesn’t say that sex with minors is statutory rape “unless you’re gay in which case it’s right bloody wonderful”, and Kaitlyn is not charged with conspiracy to be gay, she’s charged with having had sex with a minor.

So no, it’s not about “homophobia.” It’s also not about “gay rights”, because there is no such thing. Gays do not, and should not, have any “rights” specially designed for them and not attainable for anybody else, anymore than there is or should be such a thing as “straight rights”, “left handed redheads’ rights”, “Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan rights” or “people wot like to eat squirrel stew rights.”

Gays have exactly the same rights as anybody else. No more, no less. They’re also known as “human rights.”

Unless, of course, the people howling about “gay rights” in this case are advocating for the exclusive right of gays to have sex with children. We’d prefer to hold on to our belief that that’s not what those people are agitating for. Please don’t disabuse us of this our perhaps naive belief. You wouldn’t like the consequences if you did. Then again, we can’t imagine this kind of furor if Kaitlyn had been an 18 year old boy, so perhaps… No, we are not going there. At least not at this point.

Kaitlyn broke the law. If you don’t like the law, change the law, but the fact remains that she broke it and now faces the consequences thereof.

Now, if you believe that a possible 15 years in the slammer and an eternity in the sex offender registry is overly harsh for kids being irresponsible and fooling around, then we could talk about that. His Majesty, but keep in mind that he grew up in a culture a bit different than this country’s, would agree with you. We can say for sure that if it had been the law of the land where we came from, we’d have spent a lot of time behind bars because of our teenage hormones and their tendencies to throw reason, caution and common sense to the wind.

If, as is alleged, Kaitlyn and her girlfriend’s liaison was entirely consensual, then we do agree that slamming the prison doors on Kaitlyn for fifteen bloody years is rather harsh. But it’s the law. We also think that it’s blatantly and utterly ridiculous that the Imperial Heirs can’t legally have a drink until three years after they’re eligible to vote and go die in foreign wars, but it’s also the law. A stupid law, but that doesn’t make the following thereof optional.

So if people really want to have a discussion about the age of consent, then maybe we should have that discussion. But not as a separate “gay issue”, because that’s ridiculous. And we would also warn anybody wanting to have that discussion that it’s not going to be a pleasant one. If you remove one “line in the sand”, you have to place it somewhere else. So where should we put it? 16 years? 14? 12? We don’t even pretend to know, but we can assure you that the debate over it is going to be… Spirited.

Doesn’t change the facts in this case, though. You can’t retroactively change the law because you don’t like the outcome in one particular case, and the case here is one 18-year-old having sex with a 14-year-old which, when it happened, was against the law and still is.

Discuss, if you want.

Thatisall.

63 comments

  1. 1
    Physics Geek growls and barks:

    the Imperial Heirs can’t legally have a drink until three years after they’re eligible to vote and go die in foreign wars, but it’s also the law. A stupid law, but that doesn’t make the following thereof optional.

    I disagree. This is where civil disobedience comes in. Failure to rebel against bullshit laws just because it’s the law means that you’ve already reached the point where you simply hope that your chains sit loosely. The legal extortion which forced states to raise their drinking ages to 21 or lose highway funds forcibly extracted by the feds is something that makes me see red to this day. I have willfully broken this law on multiple occasions, buying beer for some responsible adults (ages 18-20) who simply wanted to relax at home after a long day at work. I will do exactly the same for my children when they’re old enough.

    Misha, I get your point, but this drinking age thing has been a sore point for me since the law was implemented.

  2. 2
    Bones growls and barks:

    The LAW that is under discussion with this “girl” has been around a long time in most states. I know that a long time ago in the state that I grew up in, after dating a girl for almost 2 years, I reached my “magic day”! Yaaaaa! know what I got from her parents? Momma met me at the door and said, I quote, “Hey, you’re 18 now. Does the term Statutory Rape mean anything to you?” I said “Yes Ma’am, please mail all of my items that your daughter might have in her possesion to my address, I will do the same and never darken your doorstep again!” Turned around, walked away and never looked back. There are times that are fun, but there is not a piece in the world so tasty or great that is worth 15 years in prison. This bitch is just stu[id, or felt entitled, or that she could get away with it ‘cuz she’s special (and has lots of blue ribbons that say special on it to prove it). I have no pity for her, she will learn with the clue-by-four for not running like hell when the parents of the 14 year old girl told her too. If it was a guy, we would never know because it would get zero airtime or internet mentions anywhere.
    Edit for clarity: Girl and I were only about 10 months apart. Law was 1 day over 18 and 1 day under 18, you were toast. Course, no-one ever worried about the older chicks getting prosecuted, cuz ya just kept your mouth shut!

  3. 3

    I agree with everything Mish and DJ have said on this matter. Kids will be kids, and this kind of thing happens all the damn time. Hell… I dated a senior in high school when I was a freshman! Had I actually had sex with him, would that have been pedophilia? Hell fucking no! Now, how many straight kids get prosecuted for having a high school relationship with one another? Not a whole lot. The issue here is uneven prosecution more than it is anything else, which in leftist form translates to BIGOTRY!!! HOMOPHOBIA!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH.

    I’m not saying there aren’t kids whose lives are ruined who are straight, but it doesn’t happen often.

    Are the parents homophobes for using the law to kick a kid who was basically doing what kids do? I have no idea. I can’t be in their minds. Are they assholes for using the law in this manner, rather than controlling their offspring? Yeah, I think so.

  4. 4
    LC Gregory growls and barks:

    Controlling their offspring? As I read it, the “relationship” began in the gym showers – they were on the same school basketball team. Yeah, that makes for a certain “gay issue,” in that no 18-y.o. boy is gonna be showering with a 14-y.o. girl.

    This was clearly a case of the school failing on their responsibility in loco parentis. No doubt the school didn’t want to get involved with PFLAG or some other gay-rights group for perceived “homophobia” so the parents were left with the only option remaining to them.

    This woman thinks she’s a lesbian? Well, then, she should have no problem doing 15 bliss-filled years!

  5. 5
    LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole growls and barks:

    at 18 you can: Be drafted, volunteer for the military, tired as an adult, sentenced to death, vote, considered emancipated, enter into a contract, generally do anything you want without parental consent.

    at age 18 you can’t: drink alcohol

    Another legacy of the Carter administration

  6. 6
    LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole growls and barks:

    As for “dating” a girl under 18 in South Dakota let me paint you a picture. Northeast South Dakota is the Pheasant hunting capital of the world. Which means there are a whole shit load of shotguns laying around in closets and in gun racks. Those shotguns, for the most part, are owned by mommies and daddies, tu capisci?

  7. 7

    On July 1st, 1973, the law in Florida became drinking at 18. On July 2nd, 1973, I turned 18. This was providence. As for sex, I had already been at that for years but mostly with girls my same age group or older. At 16, I had gotten a motorcycle and started letting my hair grow. When you get recognized by the local alcohol outlet as that member of the local outlaw M/C Club that rode in on the fairly new Superglide, you never got carded anyway. Ah, those were the days.

  8. 8

    Emperor Misha I says:

    I didn’t hear a lot of condemnation from the left in the Roman Polanski case which was, undeniably, a case of rape of a child. All I heard was discussions as to whether it was “rape”-rape or not, presumably when it involved an icon beloved of the left.

    you didn’t hear that kind of parsing when it came to the scandal with the Catholic priests either.

  9. 9
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Physics Geek says:

    I disagree. This is where civil disobedience comes in. Failure to rebel against bullshit laws just because it’s the law means that you’ve already reached the point where you simply hope that your chains sit loosely.

    I should have reworded it. I’m actually in full agreement with you on the drinking age law as I do believe it’s utter bullshit and I do intend to show as much respect towards it as it deserves, which is none at all. What I should have said was that breaking the law, no matter how stupid it is, does not shield you from the repercussions if you’re caught. If the Heirs want a beer on their 18th birthday, then… Well, I intend to do all that I can to make sure they don’t get caught 🙂

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says:

    you didn’t hear that kind of parsing when it came to the scandal with the Catholic priests either.

    Great example. We didn’t hear one squeak from Christians in defense of those beasts, nor did they deserve any. They deserve something else and I am assured by my faith that they’ll get it.

  10. 10
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    It is right and good that pedophiles are arrested; children can’t make wise, informed consent decisions. It is right and good that, for example, a day care should be able to refuse someone arrested for pedophilia. Don’t you agree?
    There is a long history of paedophile groups being involved with the LGBT lobby. Some examples:
    * The man regarded as the founder of the modern gay-rights movement, Harry Hay, was an ardent supporter of NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association.
    * This group has taken part in LGBT parades.(NAMBLA)
    * The Campaign for Homosexual Equality appointed to its executive the head of the Paedophile Information Exchange.
    * Another group, Paedophile Action for Liberation, shared premises with the Gay Liberation Front.
    * The gay-rights sub-committee of the National Council for Civil Liberties invited both of the above-named paedophile groups to become affiliated to it, which they did.

    I could go on and on, but I’ll just make this statement: the LGBT and paedophile lobbies have always been inextricably linked.

    It’s only a matter of time. Without a fixed moral standard anymore, there is no reason to object to this. Everything is relative, see? That’s the mentality we have now in this country and those who hold to the eternal verities are sneered at. We will see this come to pass and worse.

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    LC Gregory says:

    Controlling their offspring? As I read it, the “relationship” began in the gym showers – they were on the same school basketball team. Yeah, that makes for a certain “gay issue,” in that no 18-y.o. boy is gonna be showering with a 14-y.o. girl.

    I doubt you can compare a lesbian to an 18 year old boy. That’s a bit disingenuous.

    LC Gregory says:

    This was clearly a case of the school failing on their responsibility in loco parentis. No doubt the school didn’t want to get involved with PFLAG or some other gay-rights group for perceived “homophobia” so the parents were left with the only option remaining to them.

    I can’t see that as “clearly” as you can. Kids in high school do what kids in high school do. If they’re caught, I’m fairly sure they will stand some kind of punishment, much like a heterosexual couple would if they were caught fucking in the school’s chemical closet. The 14 year old was rebellious, didn’t obey her parents when they insisted she stop, and neither did her GF. At that point, the parents went to the courts, which I think is a bit much.
    LC Gregory says:

    This woman thinks she’s a lesbian? Well, then, she should have no problem doing 15 bliss-filled years!

    How charming.

  12. 12
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’
    Research purports to reveal ‘dark side’ of homosexual culture
    author- Jon Dougherty

    Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

    “Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture,” wrote Steve Baldwin in, “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement,” published by the Regent University Law Review.

    Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

    “It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh,” wrote Baldwin. “However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family.”

    Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly’s Education committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the state’s public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists’ “efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement” constitute an “unmistakable” attack on “the family unit.”

    Baldwin’s research is substantiated in a body of work written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths, including “Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences.”

    In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …”

    Abel also found that non-incarcerated “child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males.”

    “The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

    Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.

    And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, “There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual.”

    In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.

    Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted.

    A survey of recent news reports found that rarely did the media describe priestly sexual abuse as “homosexual” or “gay” activity – even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male contact, and a spate of investigative reports has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools throughout the world.

    Gay press promotes sex with children

    Baldwin says his research not only “confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals,” but it found that “the mainstream homosexual culture” even “commonly promotes sex with children.”

    “The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality,” Baldwin wrote.

    During his research, he also found:

    The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, “Male Intergenerational Intimacy,” containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son “not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.”

    In 1995 the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”

    Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, “Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist”: “In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it.”

    In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a “Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

    Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

    Homosexuality ‘youth-oriented’?

    “Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture,” Baldwin wrote. “Very few gays exhibit preference for older men.”

    “Some admit to focus on teenage boys,” he said, “some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories.”

    A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin’s report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be “gay.” According to the study, “Archives of Sexual Behavior,” some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

    When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.

    “For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement’s leaders liars,” he said. “Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community.”

    “I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis,” Baldwin said.

    Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex abusers and the incidence of homosexuality.

    “How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there’s a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?” writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH – the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality – a group that says it exists to “provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue.”

    The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is “a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love,” Baldwin said in his report.

    The group is often endorsed by “many of the homosexual movement’s most prominent leaders,” he said.

    Advocacy moving to schools

    Promotion of the “gay and lesbian lifestyle” is increasing in the nation’s public schools.

    A survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group has some sort of program to “educate” teachers, school administrators and other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:

    Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and parents as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence that homosexuality is harmful to children.

    “What … does the academic literature say about the relationship between homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually,” he wrote, quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute: “Scientific studies confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals.”

    The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 “Psychological Reports” article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.

    “But this number is low,” Baldwin says, “due to the fact that many reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that to be the case.”

  13. 13

    LC Gladiator says:

    Council for National Policy

    Well, gosh. Here’s an unbiased organization!

    There’s much more to this homosexuality/pedophilia thing than this particular study claims. It’s more complex than that.

    But whatever…

  14. 14
    Inga666 growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    I doubt you can compare a lesbian to an 18 year old boy. That’s a bit disingenuous.

    Please enlighten me.

    At that point, the parents went to the courts, which I think is a bit much.

    The adult girl refuses to stay away and the school is unresponsive. Other than chaining their daughter in her room, what would you suggest?

  15. 15
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Way OT but:

    My wife is scheduled for surgery at 5:15AM tomorrow. Any prayers would be appreciated.

  16. 16
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    lc purple raider @ #:

    Prayers up, raider

  17. 17
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    Well, gosh. Here’s an unbiased organization!

    Nikki, why would you go to Wiki to get your “facts”? Wiki is notoriously Liberal. Why not try the organizations own site perhaps???

    I expected more from you………………….

    CNP homepage
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    WE BELIEVE in limiting the size and scope of government to allow Americans greater freedom to reach their fullest potential.

    Traditional
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    WE BELIEVE the Founding Fathers created this nation based upon Judeo-Christian values and that our culture flourishes when we uphold them.

    Strong National
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    WE BELIEVE that this great experiment called America, a nation founded on the premise that “all men are created equal,” is worth defending.

    The Council for National Policy (CNP) is a nonpartisan, educational foundation organized under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. We do not lobby Congress, support candidates, or issue public policy statements on controversial issues. Our members are united in their belief in limited government, a strong national defense, and support for traditional western values. They meet to share the best information available on national and world problems, know one another on a personal basis, and collaborate on achieving their shared goals.

  18. 18
    LC Ohio Right Wing Nut growls and barks:

    lc purple raider @ #:
    On their way buddy!

  19. 19
    sablegsd growls and barks:

    I believe there was some “kidnapping” and hiding the minor from her parents going on also. katy, the frog eyed narcissist on uppers, and her parents should be in jail.

  20. 20
    Physics Geek growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    What I should have said was that breaking the law, no matter how stupid it is, does not shield you from the repercussions if you’re caught

    Ah, and now you and I are in complete agreement. If/when I get busted, I’ll plead no contest. Right before I try and get that law repealed, of course.

  21. 21
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    This is more “nuanced” than a 18 yr old having sex with a 14 yr old. Anyone care to comment on the developmental difference between a 18 yr old and a 14 yr old? So I dont agree that sex in the bathroom between a 18 yr old upperclassman and a 14 yr old under this scenario falls under the “kids will be kids” rule. From what I understand that offender assisted the 14 yr old on two occasions to “run away” to the 18 yr olds residence that just happened to be vacant of parents through the night. Reportedly after the first “incident” the 14 yr olds parents made their “concerns” perfectly clear and yet the 18 yr old refused to disengage and committed the same offense. Not only do I advocate the statutory rape charge but I would also be asking for a Contributing to the delinquency of a minor charge.

    See, here’s what I really dont understand, in my home, if this had occurred with my step daughter when she was 14, her mother would’ve have beat that 18 yr olds ass into the emergency room for preying on her daughter. Just that simple.

  22. 22
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Prayers out LC Purple

  23. 23
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    ya know, I hang out with a lot of gay folks. close friends with a bunch. lived with some, too.

    Granted, ‘the plural of anecdote is not data’… But in all my experience with gays, bouncing clubs for em, talking to them, giving them a couch to crash on…

    I’ve never met a gay man, lesbian, transgendered, or bisexual who did not have a flaming hatred of child molesters. And I mean -flaming- hatred. several of them, the mere mention would result in a spittle flecked screaming rant of pure hatred and rage.

    So I’m really kinda wondering where all these gay child molesters are coming from.

    I’ve read a little about the case, and from what I gather, there’s roughly a 3 year gap between the two,. That’s not much, really. And the ’14 year old’ is a hell of a lot closer to 15 than 14.

    How many of you ever got involved with someone 3 years younger than they?

    My wife was 8 years my senior, is that somehow wrong?

    I spend a lot of time trying to convince my gay friends that conservatives are actually sane, rational, tolerant people.

    And then people pull shit like this, and it really makes me cringe.

    The sheer amount of fear, hatred, and loathing, being passed off as ‘logic’ and ‘concern’ is, frankly, kinda disgusting.

  24. 24
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    while I’m thinking of it, there’s something else to consider as well.

    That ‘plea bargain’? having the ‘sex offender’ label tied around your neck is a de facto life ender.

    You can’t get a job. Nobody will hire you. You constantly run the risk of someone deciding the courts didn’t go ‘far enough’ and murdering you for the ‘common good’.

    If you’re in court, with the possibility of a ‘sex offender’ label, you fight. Why? because having that label slapped on you makes you an ‘untouchable’ no matter how consensual, or non offensive the crime actually is. If you want a real eye opener, do some research into what counts as a ‘sex offender’ these days.

    There is no benefit to her to take the deal. If she fights, she -might- get out of this without the ‘label’

  25. 25

    LC Gladiator says:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:
    Well, gosh. Here’s an unbiased organization!
    Nikki, why would you go to Wiki to get your “facts”? Wiki is notoriously Liberal. Why not try the organizations own site perhaps???
    I expected more from you………………….
    CNP homepage
    Limited
    Government
    WE BELIEVE in limiting the size and scope of government to allow Americans greater freedom to reach their fullest potential.
    Traditional
    Values
    WE BELIEVE the Founding Fathers created this nation based upon Judeo-Christian values and that our culture flourishes when we uphold them.
    Strong National
    Defense
    WE BELIEVE that this great experiment called America, a nation founded on the premise that “all men are created equal,” is worth defending.
    The Council for National Policy (CNP) is a nonpartisan, educational foundation organized under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. We do not lobby Congress, support candidates, or issue public policy statements on controversial issues. Our members are united in their belief in limited government, a strong national defense, and support for traditional western values. They meet to share the best information available on national and world problems, know one another on a personal basis, and collaborate on achieving their shared goals.

    Social conservatism is non-partisan. Wiki is dead on when it says it’s an umbrella organization for social conservatives. There’s nothing incorrect about this. There’s also nothing incorrect by claiming that a social conservative organization that advocates Judeo-Christian values would be biased when it comes to gay issues.

    I’m so goddamn sick and tired of the immediate dismissal of sources – on both sides of the political aisle – as “liberal,” or “conservative.” A source is a source.

    CNP may be “non-partisan,” but if you show me a single Democrat they’ve supported, I’ll eat my hat.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    No, There is No Such Thing as “Gay Rights”

    Of course not. They’re “Gay Righth.”

    *heads off for Room 101 muttering “I know, I know. I’m going, I’m going.”*

  27. 27
    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Heh, the funny thing about it all is that in many Southern states, the Age of Consent used to be 14 (had to rebuild the population after all of that voluntarily-rejoining-the-Union-voluntarily-by-totally-voluntary-means business), but got bumped up because a bunch of Northern statist do-gooders thought it was perfectly barbaric to have the age limit set that low. Now, a lot of the same folks argue that it’s barbaric to have the age set at 16 or 18 because “teenagers will be teenagers and experiment with sex and that is beautiful and natural and why would you Xtianist troglodytes want to stop that?!?!”

    I used to be disgusted; now, I’m just amused.

  28. 28
    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    And as to Whoopi Goldberg? I wish she was drugged and raped repeatedly before she started talking about “rape”-rape.

    Please, I beg you, that is one task I do NOT want to do.

  29. 29
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:

    By their charter, they dont endorse ANY candidates………………………………..

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Roguetek says:

    That ‘plea bargain’? having the ‘sex offender’ label tied around your neck is a de facto life ender.

    You can’t get a job. Nobody will hire you. You constantly run the risk of someone deciding the courts didn’t go ‘far enough’ and murdering you for the ‘common good’.

    It was my understanding that the deal included a “no sex offender registry” clause. If I’m utterly mistaken about that then I agree with you completely. It’d be insane to NOT fight it.

    LC Roguetek says:

    ya know, I hang out with a lot of gay folks. close friends with a bunch. lived with some, too.

    Granted, ‘the plural of anecdote is not data’… But in all my experience with gays, bouncing clubs for em, talking to them, giving them a couch to crash on…

    I’ve never met a gay man, lesbian, transgendered, or bisexual who did not have a flaming hatred of child molesters. And I mean -flaming- hatred. several of them, the mere mention would result in a spittle flecked screaming rant of pure hatred and rage.

    My experience has been the same, Rogue. I have absolutely not seen any indications of homosexuality predisposing you to child abuse.

    Besides, it really isn’t germane to the point here.

    Oh, and as an aside, while I’m certainly not rejecting any argument to the contrary out of hand based on my personal anecdotal experience, using NAMBLA as “proof” that gay men are child molesters is a bit silly, to put it mildly, so at least that part of the argument ought to be dismissed. I mean, seriously, what would one expect to find in an organization whose name is North American Man Boy Love Association? Straight people? So if straight child abusers had an organization, would the members of that organization be proof that straights were overwhelmingly pederasts?

    Other parts of the argument may very well be valid, I haven’t studied it so I am in no position to dismiss it, but I move to dismiss the NAMBLA bit from the body of evidence right away as it is circular logic at its worst. 🙂

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    you know, you guys might want to look at birthdays, and count some dates, just sayin…

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    “Last week, her father said, Workman offered Kaitlyn a plea bargain. She could plead guilty to child abuse, a felony, and spend two years under house arrest. The judge would determine if she would have to register as a sex offender. They were given a deadline of May 24th to accept the offer or face trial.”

    The judge would determine if she would have to register as a sex offender.

    so yeah, the sex offender label was very much in play. that’s not a deal I’d take.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Hold on here. This is going to come down to intent. The 18 yr old knew the law and chose to ignore it. IF the 18 yr old did participate in 14 yr old running away, not once, but twice, and did so after parental warnings. Then she IS a sexual predator. As far as dating age, I think there is a huge developmental gap between a 14 yr old and a 18 yr old. I really shouldn’t have to explain myself here because you can go to any 8th / 9th grade class and compare them to a senior class and the difference is apparent. Conversley go to a bar and look at the difference between a 24 yr old and 28 yr old and it not so distinct.

    Ultimately (if the reports are true) the 18 yr old knew she was in violation, had been warned and still made a choice then she is guilty. Finally (in regards to the law) I can’t support any change in the age limitations. I could support a structured approach to the “sexual predator” labeling.

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    LC Gladiator says:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:
    By their charter, they dont endorse ANY candidates………………………………..

    There’s a difference between “endorse” and “support.” I work in direct mail part time. For tax purposes, non profits don’t officially endorse candidates. However, if there are any Democrats or liberals that receive any kind of support from this organization, I’d be completely shocked.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    There’s a difference between “endorse” and “support.” I work in direct mail part time. For tax purposes, non profits don’t officially endorse candidates. However, if there are any Democrats or liberals that receive any kind of support from this organization, I’d be completely shocked.

    The Council for National Policy (CNP) is a nonpartisan, educational foundation organized under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. We do not lobby Congress, support candidates, or issue public policy statements on controversial issues.

    shock on /s

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    Again… in fundraising we use words like “conservative hero,” “help,” etc. You’re being deliberately obtuse. In this instance supporting a candidate does mean endorsement. They’re also not allowed to give money to any specific candidates. But they are allowed to focus on issues and what their allies are doing on the hill, etc.

    It’s not that difficult to understand.

    They are a conservative organization. They’re also a SOCIAL conservative organization, which means that they wouldn’t be objective when discussing gay issues. Being social conservative doesn’t mean they’re partisan in terms of political parties, but it does mean they support certain issues and are generally supported by those in the GOP.

    JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise! :em08:

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy @ #:

    Hold on here. This is going to come down to intent.

    Statutory rape is a strict liability matter, so intent is not an element. The only elements are: (1) was victim under age of consent; (2) did sexual conduct occur. If yes to both, then guilty (of SR or sexual battery, depending on exactly what acts were performed). Some states do allow a defense that the underage person lied about their age (and even then, there’s a plausibility element – (16 or 17 might be able to convince you that they’re 18, for example, but 12 could not), but most do not.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise!

    Please refrain from blaspheme or using our Lords name in vain. Thank you.

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    LC Gladiator says:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:
    JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise!
    Please refrain from blaspheme or using our Lords name in vain. Thank you.

    Well, so much for THAT discussion. The red herring is duly noted, especially since there’s no actual blasphemy in my written statement, but if you would like to condemn me based on what I was THINKING when I wrote that, you might want to start supporting hate crime legislation as well.

    In any case… point is, biased studies do nothing to advance the conversation here.

    Yes, the girl knew what she was doing was wrong. She knew it was illegal. She’s also a high school student, doing what millions of high school students do on a regular basis. Does it make it right? No. Does it warrant ruining her life? I don’t think so.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    rense.com

    Link Found Between
    Pedophilia &
    Left-Handedness
    By Tom Blackwell
    National Post

    A new Canadian study that found pedophiles have a strong tendency to be left-handed could help change decades of thinking about such sexual deviants — and lead to new ways of combating the problem, says one of the researchers behind it.

    Most experts have theorized that pedophiles are motivated by psycho-social factors such as their early upbringing or sexual history, and treatment has responded accordingly.

    But the study published this month in Archives of Sexual Behaviour indicates there is a strong neurological factor, perhaps triggered by birth defects, that one day might be prevented.

    The researchers at Toronto’s Centre for Addiction and Mental Health now plan to peruse MRI images of pedophiles for signs of brain abnormalities.

    “For more than a century, we’ve been putting a great deal of energy and effort into one class of theories about pedophilia and essentially ignoring biological components,” said Dr. James Cantor, the study’s lead author. “This is the first evidence that those theories can’t be the whole story.”

    Pedophiles present a formidable challenge to therapists, scientists and correctional authorities, with no evidence to date that their penchant for sex with children can ever be cured. Treatment often focuses on drugs that lower their libido and teaching strategies to avoid situations in which they victimize young people.

    There has not been much of a nature-versus-nurture debate in the field, either, said Dr. Cantor, and little research to explore the possible role of the brain.

    After previous work suggested a link between left-handedness and pedophilia, he and other scientists at the Toronto centre set out to examine the question more closely. They surveyed more than 400 sex offenders, using phallometric testing — measuring blood flow in their penises when shown different images of potentially erotic stimuli — and questions about their handedness.

    Among those whose primary sexual interest was children under 12, more than 30% were left-handed — three times the rate in the general population or among sex offenders who favour adult victims.

    Similar associations have been found between left-handedness and major neurological disorders such as Down’s syndrome and autism, the paper said.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise! :em08:

    It is when you don’t want to understand.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Yes, the girl knew what she was doing was wrong. She knew it was illegal.

    Does it warrant ruining her life?

    Yes, she should be held responsible for her decision. As far as “ruining” her life, who made the decisions here? And frankly the whole “ruined life” is speculative at best considering her poor judgement skills to date. Keep in mind if the reports are true, she had been WARNED. At what point does she become responsible?

    I have a dumb as a box of rocks nephew that has failed three grades and is now a 19 yr old senior in high school, if the measure of responsibility is based upon being in high school, where does my dumbass nephew fall in this continuum? Would you be willing to include him in the “all the kids are doing it” scale if he was having sex with your underage daughter? Especially if you had already warned him?

    Know what my folks told me when I turned 18? They said “Be Careful, cause now you can go to the REAL JAIL REAL QUICK and we wont be able to do a thing for you.

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Yes, she should be held responsible for her decision. As far as “ruining” her life, who made the decisions here? And frankly the whole “ruined life” is speculative at best considering her poor judgement skills to date. Keep in mind if the reports are true, she had been WARNED. At what point does she become responsible?

    Troy, I think that’s a bit harsh. She didn’t do anything that thousands of other high school kids haven’t done! Would you seriously see every 18 year old high school boy prosecuted as a sex offender for sleeping with a freshman girl? This is the kind of shit that makes me crazy about our legal system!

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    I have a dumb as a box of rocks nephew that has failed three grades and is now a 19 yr old senior in high school, if the measure of responsibility is based upon being in high school, where does my dumbass nephew fall in this continuum? Would you be willing to include him in the “all the kids are doing it” scale if he was having sex with your underage daughter? Especially if you had already warned him?

    Honestly, I’d kick his ass myself. Or shoot him in the nuts. But that would go for a 17 year old senior too, because that’s my kid. 🙂

    High school kids are high school kids. There was a case a couple of years ago where a boy that age was charged for having sex with his underage girlfriend. I think he was actually imprisoned and registered as a sex offender! I find that appalling frankly!

    As a parent, I would take care of this myself. But to get the state involved in tossing a kid in jail for being a kid? No.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:
    JFC! It’s not that fucking difficult to understand! I promise!
    It is when you don’t want to understand.

    Truth.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Yes, she should be held responsible for her decision. As far as “ruining” her life, who made the decisions here? And frankly the whole “ruined life” is speculative at best considering her poor judgement skills to date. Keep in mind if the reports are true, she had been WARNED. At what point does she become responsible?

    Of course she should be held responsible, particularly as we learn that she wasn’t quite the saint she has been made out to be, but does that mean a scarlet letter branded upon her for the rest of her life?

    I don’t think so. I DO believe that she should be taught a lesson, I DO believe that it should be a painful one, but I do NOT believe that she should be forever branded as a subhuman if, and only IF, she acknowledges that she fucked up and vows not to do so again.

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    Emperor Misha I says:

    LC TerribleTroy says:
    Yes, she should be held responsible for her decision. As far as “ruining” her life, who made the decisions here? And frankly the whole “ruined life” is speculative at best considering her poor judgement skills to date. Keep in mind if the reports are true, she had been WARNED. At what point does she become responsible?
    Of course she should be held responsible, particularly as we learn that she wasn’t quite the saint she has been made out to be, but does that mean a scarlet letter branded upon her for the rest of her life?
    I don’t think so. I DO believe that she should be taught a lesson, I DO believe that it should be a painful one, but I do NOT believe that she should be forever branded as a subhuman if, and only IF, she acknowledges that she fucked up and vows not to do so again.
    Emperor Misha I recently posted..No, There is No Such Thing as “Gay Rights”

    What Mish said.

    Anyway, my initial comment was more of an analysis for the reasons for the outcry. I agree there are no special “gay rights.” I do think, though that because of the relatively rare prosecution of the same type of crime in hetero kids, the left now has a cause celebre, so to speak.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    Anyway, my initial comment was more of an analysis for the reasons for the outcry. I agree there are no special “gay rights.” I do think, though that because of the relatively rare prosecution of the same type of crime in hetero kids, the left now has a cause celebre, so to speak.

    This is honestly my biggest problem with this case. It’s not that it is a girl being prosecuted, it’s not that this case has a homosexual aspect to it. My problem is the law is selectively enforced.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan @ #:

    My problem is the law is selectively enforced.

    Tough law to enforce if no victims (or the parents thereof) come forward – most likely because a lot of it is consensual (aside from the fact that minors can’t legally consent) and therefore tolerated by all concerned. The only prosecutions tend to result from less-than-totally-willing participants or pissed off parents reporting the incident, and that will probably always be the case. Otherwise, the only way to consistently enforce it would be to engage in all manner of surveillance of underage kids to make sure that they weren’t having sex. Not sure that that kind of monitoring would be exactly welcomed….

    Basically, if you get arrested and prosecuted for statutory rape, you’re pretty much either: (1) reckless/stupid (the Roman Polanskis of the world); or (2) really unlucky to have been observed or reported.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    I agree that the labeling for life should be reviewed. Maybe they should consider the sex offender registration like probation, the offender would be required to register for a specific period of time, no offenses committed during that period, and done. For cases like this only. The Polanski style cases would not qualify for such treatment. How the law makers could make that work is not within my realm of expertise.

    I can understand a 18 yr old and a 16 yr old. 18 and 14 is to great of a developmental gap and introduces coercion to the equation. My son turns 14 this aug and will enter the 8th grade. He is not anywhere close to being ready to hangout with the seniors nor would I allow it. The maturation gap is too large. I have never been a fan of zero tolerance laws or cookie cutter style approach.

    But (again) for this case there seems to be a malicious intent displayed by the offender, which if true, require more than a minimal punishment. So what should happen to this offender? What is the appropriate response? Was she behaving in a predatory manner? Did she coerce or manipulate the “victim”? Where were the offenders parents in this? I guess what I’m looking for in this is a return to the reasonable man principles and less of a cookie cutter letter of the law approach.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy @ #:

    I agree that the labeling for life should be reviewed. Maybe they should consider the sex offender registration like probation, the offender would be required to register for a specific period of time, no offenses committed during that period, and done. For cases like this only. The Polanski style cases would not qualify for such treatment. How the law makers could make that work is not within my realm of expertise.

    There are at least some states that appear to have something like that. There was a case in California where a man was convicted of molesting a child, served his prison time, remained under psychiatric care (and medication, if memory serves) and was subsequently hired as a maintenance man for a public park. There was a lawsuit over his employment (and at least one subsequent appeal), but in the end, he was deemed to have been safe and rehabilitated. There was testimony by assorted psychiatrists and a lot was made of the fact that he was still voluntarily undergoing therapy or treatment or whatever it is. In the end, he was found to present no threat to the community and allowed to keep the job.

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    I can understand a 18 yr old and a 16 yr old. 18 and 14 is to great of a developmental gap and introduces coercion to the equation. My son turns 14 this aug and will enter the 8th grade. He is not anywhere close to being ready to hangout with the seniors nor would I allow it. The maturation gap is too large. I have never been a fan of zero tolerance laws or cookie cutter style approach.

    I have to disagree with that. I dated a senior who was about to graduate as a 14 year old freshman. If you think there was any coercion there whatsoever, you’re sadly mistaken! As a dumbass freshman I was all about showing off my senior boyfriend! :em01: Status, baby!

    BTW – if you’re left-handed, Gladiator thinks you’re a fucking pedophile, so you might as well cut your fucking hand off and go into the woods to jerk off with your right.

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    Princess Natasha, Resident Imperialist Warmonger growls and barks:

    Hmmm… What next? “Research” showing that being red haired makes you a pedophile? Being short? Being tall? Having blue eyes? ROFLMAO. Not all “research” is valid. Not all correlation equals causation. Just because some ignoramus with letters after his name from some bogus “degree” got bored and slung some bullshit together does not mean it’s true. And sending a girl to prison for what is basically parenting fail, on BOTH sides? WTF, over… :em08:

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    Princess Natasha, Resident Imperialist Warmonger says:

    Hmmm… What next? “Research” showing that being red haired makes you a pedophile? Being short? Being tall? Having blue eyes? ROFLMAO. Not all “research” is valid. Not all correlation equals causation. Just because some ignoramus with letters after his name from some bogus “degree” got bored and slung some bullshit together does not mean it’s true. And sending a girl to prison for what is basically parenting fail, on BOTH sides? WTF, over…

    Yeah, but Nat, you just don’t get it… left-handed. LEFT. Leftists are pedophiles, see?

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Princess Natasha, Resident Imperialist Warmonger @ #:

    And sending a girl to prison for what is basically parenting fail, on BOTH sides? WTF, over…

    A good bit of all crime qualifies as a parenting fail on both sides – one set raised a wild thug, the other raised a wannabe thug, or a clueless idiot (went out in bad neighborhood, hung out with bad crowd, got mixed up in drugs, got intoxicated in in risky circumstances, wore their jewelry on the outside, flashed cash, etc., etc., etc.).

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    LC LucysDaddy--Imperial Tire Provider growls and barks:

    As a “left handed red head” I feel that I do deserve a special status because I am fucking awesome.

    Any of you that disagree can kiss my hairy bean bag! :em05:

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:

    I”m curious, did your folks know and approve of this relationship? Did you “date” or were you in a “relationship?

    I will amend my previous comment to “introduces the potential for coercion”.

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:
    I”m curious, did your folks know and approve of this relationship? Did you “date” or were you in a “relationship?
    I will amend my previous comment to “introduces the potential for coercion”.

    Troy, my parents had met him and approved of him. He was a good student, graduating and going to University of Pennsylvania, his dad was the AP physics teacher at my high school. My parents didn’t ask if we were having sex. They merely said if I was, they wanted to ensure I was being safe. I wasn’t having sex with him, if that’s what you were asking. But if I had, my parents would have been reasonable and taken steps to ensure I was protected from pregnancy/disease. Because as a stubborn ginger, if I had decided to have sex with my boyfriend, I guarantee you, they would not have stopped me.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    I wasn’t inquiring about sex, more the longevity of the relationship. Dating = 3-4 social events, relationship= more frequent.

    So your folks were on board with this relationship. But what if they hadn’t been and took every step possible to deter / stop the inappropriate (in their mind) relationship? Would that have been within their rightful parental duties? You’ve stated that if you had wanted to do something you would have done it no matter what. What I’m wrestling with is the characterization that the 14 yr olds parents somehow “failed” their child. And how they can be vilified for their position.

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    I wasn’t inquiring about sex, more the longevity of the relationship. Dating = 3-4 social events, relationship= more frequent.
    So your folks were on board with this relationship. But what if they hadn’t been and took every step possible to deter / stop the inappropriate (in their mind) relationship? Would that have been within their rightful parental duties? You’ve stated that if you had wanted to do something you would have done it no matter what. What I’m wrestling with is the characterization that the 14 yr olds parents somehow “failed” their child. And how they can be vilified for their position.

    My parents weren’t that stupid. They let me be and gave me the tools to ensure I was safe. What they WOULDN’T have done is drag the police and the courts to destroy a college-bound senior’s life.

    What would they have done? Probably sat us both down – as a start.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Ah. I see now, the 14 yr olds parents should have sat the couple down (we are speculating that they didn’t) and reasoned with them. Cause we all know adolescents are so easily reasoned with. Or they should have equiped their child with the tools to navigate the relationship (that they disapprove of). I’m clear now. I tell you what, I wouldn’t allow my son to socialize with a 18 yr old male traditional friend much less a 18 yr old female romantic. He’s not developmentaly ready and I think its safe to say the majority of 14 yr old aren’t either. I’m sure you were a exceptional case and not representative of the norm. But (again) in this case there were two “runaway” incidents aided and abetted by the 18yr old and one of those incidents occured after the parents made their disapproval known. These are the allegations, if true, it would appear that there was some form of communication prior to going to the police. Call me crazy but I believe that a parent is a better judge of what their child is ready for than the child.

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Ah. I see now, the 14 yr olds parents should have sat the couple down (we are speculating that they didn’t) and reasoned with them. Cause we all know adolescents are so easily reasoned with. Or they should have equiped their child with the tools to navigate the relationship (that they disapprove of). I’m clear now. I tell you what, I wouldn’t allow my son to socialize with a 18 yr old male traditional friend much less a 18 yr old female romantic. He’s not developmentaly ready and I think its safe to say the majority of 14 yr old aren’t either. I’m sure you were a exceptional case and not representative of the norm. But (again) in this case there were two “runaway” incidents aided and abetted by the 18yr old and one of those incidents occured after the parents made their disapproval known. These are the allegations, if true, it would appear that there was some form of communication prior to going to the police. Call me crazy but I believe that a parent is a better judge of what their child is ready for than the child.

    Not every situation is similar, and I am certainly not advocating that every parent should have done what mine did. You asked about my parents and my situation, and I told you. I haven’t advocated that approach, but you certainly decided to take my statement as such. I would have handled things differently, but that’s me. You do with your child what you see fit, and if you don’t feel he’s capable of handling a friendship with an 18 year old at his age, that’s your call. Even though teens aren’t necessarily going to be reasonable, the majority – unless they’re REAL fuck-ups – will at least listen to their parents and take them into consideration. I have found the more heavy-handed my approach, the worse it got. I learned from my experiences with my adopted kids, whom I’ve had to lock down and nail the windows shut, as well as alarm their bedroom doors. I have some experience with this. What I’m saying is that ruining this girl’s life may not have been the only option here, and I would have handled it differently. Additionally, there’s a matter of uneven enforcement, which I mentioned earlier. And all of this is giving the leftards the ammunition to scream about homophobia and “gay rights.”

    The sarcasm was charming, BTW.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    BTW – if you’re left-handed, Gladiator thinks you’re a fucking pedophile, so you might as well cut your fucking hand off and go into the woods to jerk off with your right.

    I NEVER said I agreed with the article. It was posted to rile up and/or initiate discussion.

    Mission Accomplished.

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    LC Gladiator says:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:
    BTW – if you’re left-handed, Gladiator thinks you’re a fucking pedophile, so you might as well cut your fucking hand off and go into the woods to jerk off with your right.
    I NEVER said I agreed with the article. It was posted to rile up and/or initiate discussion.
    Mission Accomplished.

    All it did was annoy. But that’s just me. *shrug*