Don’t Point A Loaded Weapon Unless You Intend to Destroy What You’re Aiming At (UPDATE: Photo Fakery??? It Looks That Way)

And, once again, from LC and IB Bob Owens whom you’ll henceforth find permanently in the Imperial Blogroll, we have something worth taking a look at.

Also something that makes the debate as to whether what went down in Boston was the government minions doing their heroic best to protect and serve or a bunch of mall ninja SS wannabes getting to finally swing their tiny junk around in public finally moot, null and void, over.

This is NuMerica:

Our nation's "finest" pointing loaded weapons at innocent citizens.

Our nation’s “finest” pointing loaded weapons at innocent citizens.

I don’t care what the fuck apologists for those Rambo wannabe rogue mall ninjas say. Pointing a weapon at somebody is automatic authorization for the target to react with extreme prejudice as in “shoot the motherfucking son of a syphilitic whore.” The cunt in the turret was damn lucky that the citizen who took the picture was armed with nothing more lethal than a cell phone, because if he’d popped the Storm Trooper fuckwad’s melon with a hollow point, he’d have been well within his rights.

You point a gun at somebody, you’re declaring your intent to kill. If you do NOT intend to kill, then keep your penis extension in its sling or holster.

I learned that as a young’un, and I teach my kids the same: You do never, EVER point a weapon at anyone unless you’ve already made the decision to discharge it. If you have NOT made that decision, then cool your heels. Because if the guy you’re pointing it at chooses to shoot you first, then he’s completely within his rights. He can’t afford to be wrong about your intentions.

It’s not some esoteric “code”, it’s one of the basic rules of firearms safety that, funnily enough, that evil NRA pounds into the noggins of everybody joining them to the point where you can recite it in your sleep: Do NOT point a firearm at anything you do NOT intend to destroy. The fucking evil, trigger-happy, child-hating, murdering, extremist BASTARDS. Yeah, that was sarcasm.

And don’t give me any bull along the lines of “I’m wearing a uniform, so I’m speshul“, because I don’t give a flying fuck. The same rules apply to you as they apply to any other citizen.

Heard about those cases where an LEO shot somebody pointing a squirt gun or a replica at him? I am fully in the LEO’s corner on that one.

But the same applies to YOU.

You point a gun at me or mine and I WILL shoot you right the fuck back unless I’m hopelessly outgunned, in which case I’ll seek cover and THEN return fire.

Because you, motherfucker, just signaled your intent to murder me.

That may not mean shit to the emasculated pussies of Boston, but down here that’s fighting words.

So fuck you. Fuck you HARD, and may G-d have mercy upon you, because I and mine will have NONE.

Thatisall.

UPDATE: As pointed out by numerous P-shop savvy LCs in the comments to this post, the photo looks quite a bit more than just fishy. His Imperial Majesty is no P-shop wizard, but he can follow a logical argument and study evidence and, based on that, it is our conclusion that the photo is, indeed, FAKE until proven not so. Which, if such incidents really did happen in Boston, should not be the slightest problem to prove as soon as Bostonians wake up from the shock and start filing suits.

Thank you all for your input. Credibility is important, or anything we state will be, and rightly so, questioned.

45 comments

  1. 1
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    …. cause…. “officer safety”

    … or something…

    I’ll say it again.

    Gestapo.

  2. 2
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    If you do NOT intend to kill, then keep your penis extension in its sling or holster.

    Isn’t that what what the typical anti-gunner likes to say it is?

  3. 3
    watchyerlane growls and barks:

    Absolutely!!! You aim a weapon at me, based on my training at both Fort Benning and Fort Campbell, i have every reason to believe you are engaging me at which point I have every right to defend myself up to and including placing a new cranial ventilation system in you.
    I also saw a picture online the day of the bombing that had Officer Crunchy holding a shotgun while posting guard on a Boston street with his finger clearly in the trigger assembly, another NRA no-no along with something the most basic of infantry recruits learns ON THE FIRST DAY OF BRM!!! Keep your boogerhook out of the trigger assembly unless you are discharging the weapon!!!!
    I agree, if Obama’s Stormtroopers come kicking in my front door without a warrant, there is going to be a distinct problem.
    It sucks that we have come to this. America used to be a land where you were safe, your home was safe and the government knew its Constitutional boundaries. How have we strayed so far from those principles?

  4. 4
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    My first thought was dumbass didn’t have his booger picker on the bang button and was using a scope in place of binoculars. (Like I was doing scoping out the ladies sunning themselves next door the other day)
    :em05:

    Then I blew up the picture so I could examine it more closely.

    Hemorrhoid scratcher on the bang button and he was not using a a telescopic sight.
    :em08:
    Heck, I unmounted my scope when I was observing the “birds” next door.
    :em01:
    And, of course, this is the People’s Democratic Republic of Taxachusetts. No guns allowed except in the hands of the Gestapo.
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  5. 5
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    What fucking outfit is that? Is that LE? And if so, where in the fuck did LE get a up armored Humvee with a cupola? The dummy with the rifle is probably returning to past practice, ie. behavior used while on patrol in the shit box.. Not excusing, just sayin.

  6. 6
    Orion growls and barks:

    LE? Army? National Guard?

    I don’t see a badge. I don’t see a US Flag. I don’t see anything indicating that this is anything other than some idiot in surplus cammies with a beanie on his head.

    Sorry – I’m returning fire.

    Orion

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Xystus says:

    Isn’t that what what the typical anti-gunner likes to say it is?

    And in the case of mall ninjas who can’t seem to keep it holstered, that’s exactly what it is.
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  8. 8
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Orion @ #:

    LE? Army? National Guard?

    I’m going to guess and say Federals, probably BATFE or DHS.

    Sorry – I’m returning fire.

    You’re going to let them have the first shot?
    “Well, he was pointing a rifle at me, I didn’t see anything to indicate he was with any law enforcement agency, there were terrorists running around and I was in fear for my life.”
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  9. 9
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster says:

    You’re going to let them have the first shot?

    Heh. I get what you’re saying, but in the case of anybody pointing a loaded weapon at you, firing has already commenced. The fuckhead’s pulling the trigger is just a technicality. Thus you are “returning fire” whether he has actually discharged a shot or not. :)
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  10. 10
    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:

    …. cause…. “officer safety”

    Yeah, one of the worst concepts ever grafted into the legal system. It can easily be exploited to allow all manner of abuse.

  11. 11
    Orion growls and barks:

    Exactly, oh Dread Emperor!

    If they’re pointing a weapon at me, they’re ‘firing’, because in my world that trigger slides smoothly backwards the moment the sights are on-target.

    Orion

  12. 12

    Not to burst anyone’s bubble, but I believe the turd was P’shopped into the pic.
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  13. 13
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R. @ #:

    Not to burst anyone’s bubble, but I believe the turd was P’shopped into the pic

    Considering the live TV feeds I watched, I doubt it was photoshopped.
    :em03:
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    LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R. says:

    Not to burst anyone’s bubble, but I believe the turd was P’shopped into the pic.

    I’m inclined to agree with that, there are a couple of things that stand out if you zoom that pic in. The first thing that stood out is the saturation on the skin tones of the guy in the turret….his flesh tones are much more saturated color wise than anyone elses in that pic. Granted, that bounced ambient light from the vehicle might account for some of that, he just seems too colorful to me.

    Also, there is a barely discernible outline around the figure….leading me to believe that he was cut and pasted in that shot.

    just my theory as a Photoshop pilot but there it is

  15. 15
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    I ran this buy the Nephew, he’s also a photoshop guy – here is what he sent me:

    http://www.dethguild.com/wp-content/uploads/images/temporary/boston_cops.jpg

  16. 16
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:

    I ran this buy the Nephew, he’s also a photoshop guy – here is what he sent me:

    Considering all these other pictures:

    http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/boston-is-a-warzone-as-search-for-suspect-tsarnaev-continues/

    Besides, while it might be photoshopped, why bother?
    :em03:
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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    The cunt in the turret was damn lucky that the citizen who took the picture was armed with nothing more lethal than a cell phone, because if he’d popped the Storm Trooper fuckwad’s melon with a hollow point, he’d have been well within his rights.

    The “lucky” one would have been the civilian. Can you just imagine the holy hell that would have been visited upon him?

    Better yet — and be honest here, Misha — would YOU have been that one to shoot that “storm trooper”?

    I am guessing not.

    Isn’t it curious that NOBODY in Boston is complaining like you are down in Texas over this?
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  18. 18
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Cause they’re no longer our countrymen. They are sheeple and quislings. They are no different from the average German citizen circa 1930. They are every bit as culpable for the actions of the goons as the goons are themselves.

    A fact that will be noted and acted on as the civil was goes from cold to hot.

  19. 19
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Besides, while it might be photoshopped, why bother?

    I dunno. All this image wizardry is above my pay-grade.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    I ran this buy the Nephew, he’s also a photoshop guy – here is what he sent me:

    he’s got a good eye, I saw some of those articacts but not as many as he saw…..

    give him my compliments, I’ve taught Photoshop for about 17 years now….am nowhere near an expert but I do know what I’m talking about (most of the time :em05: )

  21. 21
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    Isn’t it curious that NOBODY in Boston is complaining like you are down in Texas over this?

    No, it’s not. Geldings usually don’t complain once they’ve been snipped.
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  22. 22
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    Better yet — and be honest here, Misha — would YOU have been that one to shoot that “storm trooper”?

    I am guessing not.

    Fuck if I know. Only thing I DO know is that it’s fairly unlikely that my pre-programmed “somebody’s pointing a loaded weapon at me” response would have much time or inclination to ponder the long term ramifications of my response or my likelihood of surviving the encounter, the last of which I don’t think would be very high at all.

    Think about it, pal: If somebody throws something at you, do you sit down and ponder for a long time the pros and cons of responding to the incoming object, whatever that might be, or do you reflexively do what you’ve been taught to do to keep it from impacting with your face?

    Just curious, you know.
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  23. 23
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Think about it, pal: If somebody throws something at you, do you sit down and ponder for a long time the pros and cons of responding to the incoming object, whatever that might be, or do you reflexively do what you’ve been taught to do to keep it from impacting with your face?

    Well, it isn’t as though these “storm troopers” were literally trying to overthrow the government or cause ME harm. Virtually EVERYONE in that neighborhood knew EXACTLY what was happening, and the reasons why the cops were doing what they were doing.

    You might have a valid argument if suddenly troops started appearing in your neighborhood and for absolutely no reason were kicking down your door and killing the men and hauling the women and children out at gunpoint to load them into trucks.

    But that wasn’t happening. All the way up here in British Columbia we knew why the cops were there. Hell, they knew all the way over in Russia and all the way down in Argentina why the cops were on the streets of Boston that day.

    As macho and manly as you think you are, there are a LOT of people who are actually quite grateful for the LEOs who were out that day. Perhaps if a situation like this ever happened in Dallas, some day, you can deal with it the way YOU want to deal with it.

    But like I said, the people of Boston are happy today, and everything is back to normal. The troops haven’t been quartered in people’s houses, they didn’t rape or pillage or even come back for anything they may have seen.

    They dealt with an extraordinary situation in an extraordinary fashion that didn’t cost the lives of any more civilians — when it very well could have gone the other direction quickly.
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    Tango9 growls and barks:

    50 mall cop ninjas down there. Talk all the shit you want, but if you returned fire you’d be dead via mall cop ninja. So. The person that took the photo should have walked the fuck down and ID’d the dumbass so he could be fired.

    Don’t be stupid.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    They dealt with an extraordinary situation in an extraordinary fashion that didn’t cost the lives of any more civilians — when it very well could have gone the other direction quickly.

    Absolutely.

    There’s no way of telling just WHAT a mortally wounded 19 year old armed with DIY firecrackers might have done to utterly stop all of civilization in its tracks, dead, so I, for one, am eternally grateful that our betters among the exalted group of Speshul Citizens Who Don’t Have To Follow Basic Rules, Much Less The Constitution™, went out to eat donuts and kick in doors that day.

    If not for them, what might have happened? Surely the citizen who actually found the idiot creep wouldn’t have been able to do anything about him without the help of our Speshul Betters™, bleeding out and dying as he was in the bottom of that citizen’s boat.

    All hail the Sturmabteilungen!

    And if Boston is OK with that too, then that’s their problem. Just as long as they don’t try to make it everybody else’s problem too, because I’ll have a decidedly negative reaction to that.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Tango9 says:

    50 mall cop ninjas down there. Talk all the shit you want, but if you returned fire you’d be dead via mall cop ninja. So. The person that took the photo should have walked the fuck down and ID’d the dumbass so he could be fired.

    Don’t be stupid.

    True.

    All I’m saying is that anybody who’d done the stupid thing there would have been well within his rights. Wouldn’t make him alive again, but there is right and there is wrong.
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  27. 27
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    But that wasn’t happening. All the way up here in British Columbia we knew why the cops were there. Hell, they knew all the way over in Russia and all the way down in Argentina why the cops were on the streets of Boston that day.

    Oh, another thing: I’ll graciously forfeit my usual response to that particular load of irrelevant bullshit, which would be “why the fuck should I give a fucking fart what they think?”

    Instead I’ll point out an interesting factoid: You know what BC, Russia and Argentina all have in common? They don’t have a 4th Amendment and they don’t have Posse Comitatus.

    If Boston is fine with ignoring that, then that’s their problem and their choice.

    But then they really ought to start thinking about pooling their welfare checks to pay back the Brits for all that wasted tea, if you know’m I sayin’.
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  28. 28
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Tango9 says:
    50 mall cop ninjas down there. Talk all the shit you want, but if you returned fire you’d be dead via mall cop ninja. So. The person that took the photo should have walked the fuck down and ID’d the dumbass so he could be fired.
    Don’t be stupid.
    True.
    All I’m saying is that anybody who’d done the stupid thing there would have been well within his rights. Wouldn’t make him alive again, but there is right and there is wrong.
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    There’s that whole thing about my family needing me not to be dead because one dumbass was a dumbass. He needs to be fired and ostracized, but I don’t want to be on the ME table to get it there.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    They don’t have a 4th Amendment and they don’t have Posse Comitatus.

    Question, doesn’t Posse Commitatus deal with the use of the military in a law enforcement role? I may be wrong, but I don’t recall any military personnel involved in this with the possible exception of EOD people.
    Now I may be wrong here.
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  30. 30
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Tango9 @ #:

    50 mall cop ninjas down there. Talk all the shit you want, but if you returned fire you’d be dead via mall cop ninja. So.

    Not necessarily. You fire your shot and remove the mall cop from this plane of reality, then drop to the floor and crawl away from the window.
    The other 49 mall cops are going to be shooting at that window and over your head. Since you know your house and they don’t, there is an excellent chance of keeping out of the line of fire and moving to a secondary position or out the back door.
    Then you reengage.
    Of course, they will probably get you, but you won’t be going alone.

    The person that took the photo should have walked the fuck down and ID’d the dumbass so he could be fired.

    Never happen. At best the camera will be destroyed/erased. At worst, they file charges against you.
    :em08:

    Don’t be stupid.

    I agree, have your own backup and get them in a crossfire. :em01:
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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    All I’m saying is that anybody who’d done the stupid thing there would have been well within his rights. Wouldn’t make him alive again, but there is right and there is wrong.

    All bullshit aside — what good are your “rights” when you aren’t around to enjoy them?

    Sometimes you do have to be subjected to a little restriction in order to fix something that is horribly broken — it happens all the time. Recently, there was a hostage situation in Seattle where an armed jackass was holed up in a house holding his wife and two children hostage. The cops had to clear the entire block to contain him and make sure that other people were kept safe. The standoff lasted for the better part of a day, causing a few hundred other people from being allowed in or out of their homes.

    Nobody got hurt, the asshole gave himself up, and is currently stuffed into a jail cell somewhere on a one-way ticket to prison. It caused a local school to be shut down for the day, people were detoured around the incident, and caused quite a disruption to the normal business of the day for a lot of these people.

    But those “storm troopers”, those “union thugs”, those guys who WILL go into situations that your manly-man won’t go into managed to do the job that they were paid to do AND trained to do.

    It’s funny that you refer to these guys as “mall cops”. Perhaps you didn’t realize that about 850 of the personnel out there that day were actually National Guard troops. Many of the other cops were heavily trained SWAT teams. (I don’t think you will find a donut between them)

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Oh, another thing: I’ll graciously forfeit my usual response to that particular load of irrelevant bullshit, which would be “why the fuck should I give a fucking fart what they think?”

    My point was that the ENTIRE world knew why the cops had Boston locked down that day, so any idea that Bostonians would have been surprised or wouldn’t have known why they were being locked down is ludicrous.

    Besides, Misha, they COULD have moved around if they wanted to. Many people did — especially the people outside of the zone which the manhunt was going on. You probably wouldn’t have known that because the news was only focusing on that small neighborhood.

    And it certainly wasn’t the first time that “Shelter in Place” has been used. It is done to keep people SAFE, not deny them their Constitutional rights.

    - On February 28, 1997, The Los Angeles Police Department issued a shelter in place for North Hollywood, California due to the North Hollywood shootout[

    - In March, 2003, three Israeli residents of Kafr Qassem, a mother and her two sons, died in their sleep after sealing the room in which they were sleeping against potential chemical or biological attack. They had lit a charcoal fire to keep warm. The father and another child survived.

    - In October, 2009, authorities called a shelter in place in Contra Costa County, California after a teenager committed suicide by mixing chemicals together. Three nearby residents who were affected by the fumes were treated at a hospital, and the shelter in place order was lifted after three hours.

    - On May 9, 2010, a shelter in place warning was issued in San Francisco, California after a gas leak.

    - On July 11, 2011, a shelter in place warning was issued in Clarksville, Tennessee after a major gas leak from a pipeline and a gas station nearby. No one in the area was killed or hurt.

    - On August 6, 2012, a shelter in place warning was issued in Richmond, California, due to a refinery fire at the Chevron Richmond Refinery.

    - On August 7, 2012, a shelter in place warning was falsely issued for Contra Costa County, California due to an emergency at a Shell oil refinery, which never occurred.

    - On October 29, 2012, a shelter in place warning was issued in Louisville, Kentucky after a train carrying hazardous chemicals was derailed near Dixie Highway and Katherine Station.

    - On April 19, 2013, a shelter in place warning was issued in for Boston, Massachusetts and surrounding suburbs during a manhunt for one of the suspected Boston Marathon bombers. The manhunt began after a shootout between police and the two suspects took place in Watertown, Massachusetts.

    I get the impression that some people just enjoy complaining about something. It probably wouldn’t have mattered WHAT the authorities did in Boston that day, it would never have gotten your approval, whatever they did.
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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    50 mall cop ninjas down there. Talk all the shit you want, but if you returned fire you’d be dead via mall cop ninja. So. The person that took the photo should have walked the fuck down and ID’d the dumbass so he could be fired.

    Don’t be stupid.

    Enough patriots willing to die by making dead examples of gestapo and the gestapo will start to learn not to point weapons as shit they don’t intend to shoot. Thugs only learn lessons by watching fellow thugs or their families die. Sometimes good people have to go with them to drill the point home.

    I’d have taken the shot. Then we’d have a little demonstration of some techniques and materials our government spent a lot of money on in 1969.

    Then I’d die with a respectable honor guard. And a damn fine death it’d be.

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    Tango9 growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster says:

    Tango9 @ #:
    50 mall cop ninjas down there. Talk all the shit you want, but if you returned fire you’d be dead via mall cop ninja. So.
    Not necessarily. You fire your shot and remove the mall cop from this plane of reality, then drop to the floor and crawl away from the window.
    The other 49 mall cops are going to be shooting at that window and over your head. Since you know your house and they don’t, there is an excellent chance of keeping out of the line of fire and moving to a secondary position or out the back door.
    Then you reengage.
    Of course, they will probably get you, but you won’t be going alone.
    The person that took the photo should have walked the fuck down and ID’d the dumbass so he could be fired.
    Never happen. At best the camera will be destroyed/erased. At worst, they file charges against you.

    Don’t be stupid.
    I agree, have your own backup and get them in a crossfire.
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    Brother, I get it and if were a perfect world I’ve have put a .338 laupa into his nose. He deserved it. But think. then engage.

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    Tango9 growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    50 mall cop ninjas down there. Talk all the shit you want, but if you returned fire you’d be dead via mall cop ninja. So. The person that took the photo should have walked the fuck down and ID’d the dumbass so he could be fired.
    Don’t be stupid.

    Enough patriots willing to die by making dead examples of gestapo and the gestapo will start to learn not to point weapons as shit they don’t intend to shoot. Thugs only learn lessons by watching fellow thugs or their families die. Sometimes good people have to go with them to drill the point home.
    I’d have taken the shot. Then we’d have a little demonstration of some techniques and materials our government spent a lot of money on in 1969.
    Then I’d die with a respectable honor guard. And a damn fine death it’d be.

    Brother, you do what you gotta do. I don’t think any less of you for your point. Trust me on this one. Fight where you can win. If you’re dead you can’t fight.

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    Tango9 growls and barks:

    Look folks. We don’t need to fight amongst ourselves. There’s plenty of hippie commie shitbags out there worth every moment of your derision. I think like a sniper. I’m NOT a sniper. But I edited Brandon Webb and Glen Dogherty’s book: Navy SEAL Sniper. We lost Glen in Benghazi. Glen and I exchanged e-mails on the book. He was… someone I needed to have a beer with. 2 weeks prior, he’d been recovering from a broken arm and.. and he was… he was Glen. I won’t share those e-mails here, that’s just for me. But he’d be proud, I hope, of what we did. I’m proud of him and I’ll tell his story to my grandchildren. But regarding the book: It’s actually the bible for shooting, and I challenge you to correct me.

    Jack Murphy’s last book: Target Deck. Enjoyed editing it. Great war pr0n coupled with “wtf?” Tried to track down Chris Kyle at SHOT last year before that cocksucker killed him, but I never met him.

    I’m immersed in the spec ops community just by… well… they’re just great fucking people and you meet one and ffs you meet them all. It’s close hold. I’m just an AF satellite weenie… the fuck do I know? But I’ve made some very dangerous friends, a few of whom I’ve lost: Niel, Glen, Chris… it’s a long list. It’s a price you pay for caring about these guys.

    I tell you that to tell you this: Think first. And then think again. And then train it. And then train it 7 more times. And then think again.

    Slow is fast. Fast is slow.

  36. 36
    Orion growls and barks:

    Sorry DJ and others; My life isn’t anything I’m particularly fond of. I’ve got slightly over 6 years left and I’m out anyway.

    Some hopped up jackwagon unlawfully points a weapon at me, and he’s going down H A R D. I’ve been shot at before, I don’t enjoy it.

    Will I get obliterated eventually? Yup. Instantly? Nope. Most of these folks couldn’t hit a moving SUV at 6′ (not kidding – happened in Tucson: 37 shots fired at an SUV starting slowly from approx 6′ – 3 hits. None hit the target – the driver, 1 hit the passenger), so I’m not worried they’ll hit me right off.

    They will eventually. But I’ll get a whooooollle lot of the criminals before they get me, and I don’t give a rat’s tiny hiney one way or the other. I’m more than willing to be the poster boy for the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments. At least I’d have died doing something useful. I run into burning buildings for fun, and volunteered for the Army at 44; death doesn’t particularly scare me.

    Orion

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    Sir George growls and barks:

    LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R. @ #:

    Aggie, I can see why you might think they photoshopped the guy in the turret, but I can’t figure out why they’d photoshop lawnmower tracks in the yard (has anyone in Boston had to mow yet? People 500 miles south only had to last week) and why on Earth would they fake lawnmower patterns in the driveway? Who the fuck mows their driveway, and how the fuck do they leave lawnmower marks on pavement?

    Another question is why there’d be such an overpowering police response for a Massachusetts vehicle that didn’t have a license plate on the front as well as the back, as required by law there. It’s almost like the militias of the various states hired a bunch of Palestinian photojournalists without checking their credentials, not realizing that Palestinian photojournalists couldn’t fake a photo of their own balls.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Sir George @ #:

    :em05:

    Dammit, G, now you went and had me ruin yet another perfectly good keyboard by making me spew coffee all over it.

    I’m no P-Shop Pilot, so I’ll leave that discussion to more qualified individuals. However, if said individuals are increasingly convinced that the guy in the turret is P-shopped in, then I would definitely tend to agree with them.

    The lawnmower tracks, on the other hand (even though I, but not my keyboard, like your explanation better :em05: ) look a lot like reflections in the window from the inside of the room where the picture was taken.
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    Sir George growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    Rogue got all pissed off when I pointed out the flaws, but as I told him, there are no venetian blinds in the photo and there’s no way to pull blinds way back and keep them horizontal at that angle, much less aligning perfectly with the contours of the opposite yard. He said they were part of the reflection of the photographer (who’s image he said was in the middle, but the photo is taken at a 45 degree angle (or thereabouts) to the window, so the photographer’s reflection wouldn’t be visible in the frame. Something else might be reflecting, but not the photographer.

    Another red flag is that the guy in the turret has a beret (did ANYONE in the Boston response wear a beret?) and taken in isolation, he looks to be aiming horizontally, as if the photo was taken from another picture that was level with him (the way most aim photos are) and inserted. His back doesn’t tilt like he’s aiming up. He also looks like he’s focused on a threat yet the other units in the picture remain completely oblivious to his point of aim and the threat he’s detected. He also lacks any communications gear on his head so he can communicate with them, or even a simple walkie talkie mic hanging on him. Then, as Aggie pointed out, his camo extends below his left elbow, where camo shouldn’t be, plus the other photoshop clues she pointed out. He just doesn’t fit, in actions, dress, or pixels.

    And the most glaring problem is that in all other photos from the searches there were scads of bystanders, nosy neighbors, reporters, lazy cops sucking down overtime pay, and the occasional Observer (it did happen in Boston, where Fringe incidents are common). In this photo there isn’t anybody except the police focused on the one house (aside from the oddball aiming at the camera). It’s almost like someone saw the video Alex Jones posted, looked at the empty scene diagonally out his bedroom window (the same angle), realized how lonely he was, took a photo, and then spent the rest of the day sitting in his underwear madly and badly photoshopping.

    Another other niggling problem is that the press was present in irritating numbers throughout the manhunt. They were kept a block or two away most of the time, but even the massive police presence couldn’t contain them, nor their often idiotic reporting. We got to see the results live, as they madly rushed to every breaking scene before they were backed a safe shrapnel distance away. Most of the time it was like an amateur version of Geraldo Rivera opening Al Capone’s vault, Both they and regular folks wandered around on the streets throughout the ordeal. The press even expressed their astonishment that despite the lockdown and warnings, people were jogging past, bicycling along, and commuting to work as if nothing was going on in Watertown. So abuses that did occur wouldn’t need to be from anonymous feeds that only trace back to Alex Jones. They’d have a News 11 live scroll running along the bottom – saying “Update on Boston Marathon Manhunt.” Instead we’re getting the only video feeds ever recorded from the Boston area where we don’t want to shout “Will you shut up already! Stop yapping about the details!” The clips coming out are virtually context free.

    This photo seems to be a pretty obvious fake, and my worry is that if we push such photos we’ll become as discredited as 9/11 Truthers. Folks around Boston and Watertown have about a million iPhones with cameras and they snap or video record anything that moves, especially exciting things. The police were no doubt overboard, and where they were we’ll no doubt get about a dozen different video feeds of the abuses, along with lawsuits and vocal complaints, if not screaming, once the sympathetic-Muslim anti-military press catches its breath. It’s a city of lawyers (and con artists) who would love to score on the deep pockets of the city and state budget with a 4th Amendment lawsuit. We can’t effectively support those people if we’ve we’ve gotten hoodwinked by some of Alex Jones’ photoshop legions.

    It was bad enough that Boston authorities shut the city down to a large degree because of two idiots from Chechnya, much less that they instituted near martial law for a 19-year old wounded white fugitive kid when they routinely face at-large murderers (several still at large), bank robbers (hundreds still at large) and armed gas and liquor store bandits (G-d knows how many still at large). Let’s not compound the overreaction by turning on our military and police based on videos and photos of questionable provenance and authenticity without confirmation by American witnesses who were there and who have no qualms about verifying their identities or at least offering something more than a Youtube ID of “conspirator1″, since that’s exactly what the jihadists would want us to do, and exactly the kind of thing they’d feed us, as would Putin, Kim Il Poofy-hair, Mymood Jack MyJenieoff, and any number of lesser short-bus riders who, like the bombers, just want to sow doubt, fear, and confusion.

    The way we usually undermine an enemy regime is to figure out the fear and worries in the different parts of the population and then feed them rumors, fake evidence, and photoshop jobs, all too good to be true but just quite believable, so they will turn on themselves, (hopefully descending into civil war or regime change) or turn to us with useful intelligence, or at least start working with us as a foreign power. If it becomes obvious that the same tactic will work here so easily, then Alex Jones isn’t a worry. The worry is that the Chinese or Russians will start planting professional photoshop jobs and video clips that none of us can ferret out.

    We have to be better, smarter, more skeptical, more tech savvy, and more incredulous than they expect of they might succeed in either completely discrediting the pro-gun, pro-freedom segment of America, or hoodwinking us into defending ourselves against nothing but ourselves, instead of them (goat fucking camel jockeys, totalitarian communists, and all-around megalomaniacs looking to score gains off of Obama’s oblivious naivety).

    We’re already halfway there with a massive call out of thousands of police, SWAT, FBI, HRT, and National Guard units to chase a lone, wounded 19-year old who hid bleeding in a boat in a backyard months prior to Memorial Day, the earliest someone might tow him to water (was that the plan?!). The search failed, and the police gave up just before a homeowner flagged them in to the obvious presence of blood and an idiot in his boat. The event was both a Constitutional nightmare and a fairly predictable miss, but one whose odds weren’t that bad. (It’s very hard to find a fugitive who has got the jump and fled many blocks in the dark, as the hundreds of at-large Massachusetts bank robbers would attest), but after Boston lit up like Fallujah, it’s not like they could ignore a manhunt when the suspect was so close.

    Yet it was 8,000 law enforcement personnel against two idiots, and if not for an on-side goal by one of the idiots, who was probably wounded when Idiot the Elder self-wounded with a botched an IED toss, we’d have been skunked for days or weeks. The Weather Underground carried out attacks for years despite the best efforts of law enforcement. The post office is filled with wanted posters because we’re a big country and hiding actually works pretty well much of the time. The post office posters rotate because most criminals are stupid, impulsive, and impatient, as were the Boston bombers. But in that narrow window of hot pursuit, the police can often nab the perp because the perp hasn’t yet found safe ground. He’s still jumping fences and running through yards and a dragnet has a good chance to pick him up.

    But the police were given a search and an authority beyond their experience (except perhaps for veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan), and its no surprise they wouldn’t be very good at keeping a low profile. We don’t want the police to be efficient and practiced at low-key house-to-house sweeps, and we don’t teach them how. They know domestic disputes (daily) and drug raids on meth labs and heroin dealers, and very little in between, so they don’t have experience at this. If it’s not a fight between two people who desperately need a divorce, it’s a drug raid. In fact, I’m sure lots of officers were in an amusing pickle as they searched houses filled with Jimi Hendrix posters and bongs on the table. They probably said, “Please clean that shit up, ma’am.”

    We know many of the SWAT teams and drug agents have gone way overboard and are abusing their position, and we know human nature is such that anyone given such powers will tend to abuse it. One of my acquaintances is the only person in the history of my state to have been given a misdemeanor for dealing LSD, simply because the police so egregiously violated his girlfriend (taunting her with her sex toys) that they were afraid to face his father, a powerful lawyer, in court. But the bulk of the deployed forces had little or no experience with such raids, much less had such raids go to their heads, and of those that did, their victims and their victims’ neighbors will produce iPhone photos of badge numbers and soon pay for college educations not just for their own kids, but for their lawyer’s kids. They’re Bostonians. The first thing they do is flip you off. The second thing they do is call their lawyer and file a suit.

    Until those suits land, or the threats of them, or reliable interviews with victims, I’d be skeptical of any photos or images whose source can’t be verified as being in or around Boston, (based on street numbers, license plates, uniforms, and continuity) or whose date is questionable based on lawns, trees, and clothing (Massachusetts had a huge series of statewide heroin and coke busts a few weeks earlier which generated a lot of video coverage of raids), since getting punked by pimply-faced kids and paranoid fork-truck drivers who listen to Art Bell sucks.

    No one in the Boston media is going to believe egregious abuses occurred unless there are unequivocal examples of abuses whose authenticity is undeniable. If too many examples turn out to be fakes from fringe sites on the Internet, then when later examples surface they’ll be dismissed out of hand as a waste of time. The left excels at that, as they reflexively don’t like to admit anything that upsets their comfortable world view and they have no qualms about filtering reality. We have to be as good at distinguishing fake videos coming from here as we are at fakes from Gaza or the West Bank.

    Trust, but verify, and trust just left on the first bus out of town.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    For the record, I was ‘pissed off’ ( if repeated utterances of “I dont really care” counts as pissed off.) because I really -really- don’t care about this photo.

    I don’t need a picture to tell me that some policemen are statist thugs. I’ve had enough personal experience with this that pictures are not needed.

    I would however, point out something interesting. Some people seem to have an emotional investment in this picture being a fake.

    I can understand why. If it were real picture ( Again, don’t know, and don’t really care) it would mean terrible things. So people want it to be fake, they -need- it to be fake.

    Peversely, we also have people on the opposite side, who need it to be real.

    My contention is that it doesn’t matter.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Speaking personally, what’s going on in the background or any of the other photos provided by Angrywebmaster is more than enough to piss me right the fuck off.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:

    Speaking personally, what’s going on in the background or any of the other photos provided by Angrywebmaster is more than enough to piss me right the fuck off.

    Then you will really not like what I just posted a few minutes ago.
    :em08:
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    LC/IB PrimEviL growls and barks:

    Tango9 @ #:24
    Not an option, Bro. Any attempt to do so would result in either getting shot upon exiting the house,
    or a round shit-beating, and arrest for interfering with an officer, and they can stack a lot more on
    top of that besides.
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    LC/IB PrimEviL growls and barks:

    What pissed me off, was the MSM’s ball-bathing of the Storm Troopers, when they didn’t find shit.
    It was an alert resident that noticed something remiss with his boat, and made the phone call.
    Interesting how that got buried after the initial reports. But then, showering cudos on a mere
    John Doe Citizen wouldn’t fit with the Statist Narrative, would it?
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    LadyRaven growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster @ #:42
    Jeanine Pirro didn’t like much of it either!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ZMkQF5xeWZM
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