The Gang of 8 – er make that SIXTEEN **updated**

For days we’ve been told by the MSM  that there was a possibility of 8 RINO’s stampeding across the aisle to support Harry Reid’s Anti 2ND Amendment Bill. Well I guess the press-titutes must be as surprised as I am (Yeah – RIGHT!)  that that number DOUBLED this morning – it wasn’t 8 – It was 16 Republicans that voted to bring the bill to the floor – thus throwing Senator’s Paul Rand and others who were threatening to filibuster the ProgNazi’s latest gun grab  bill directly under the wheels of the RINO’s Treason Train. Alllll Aboard!!

Once again the Obama Propaganda Machine gives cover right up to the last second to a bunch of traitorous assholes …Seriously, if you actually think for one second the press wasn’t aware of the fact that there were other Republicans that were going to vote to allow this bill to move forward  but stuck to the number as 8 – I’ve got a bridge up for sell. Call me – we’ll do lunch. Wink.

Here’s the listing of the 16 Republicans (RINO) That “crossed the aisle” and allowed the ProgNazi’s to bring their gun grab bill to the floor of the Senate. The usual suspects are all there.

Obviously I understand that this does NOT mean the bill is law- as we all should. It only means that the bill is now going to be allowed on the floor for debate. There is no guarantee one way or the other that the bill will pass or fail at this point, but it certainly doesn’t look good for the home team.

However comma, that is not the point. The point here is simply that ….This bill should have been a dead stinking carcass upon arrival, it should have been mocked and ridiculed out of existence- but yet again, 16 Republicans fell prey to the ever fucking ridiculous notion that – “Yes Virgina, there really is an honest Democrat in D.C.” That’s the nice way to say it – the darker thoughts running through my head is these 16 traitors – know exactly what they are doing, and they do intend to pass this in full, they’ve jumped the aisle for good on this issue.

Of particular concern here is that this listing, with exception of well established RINO Whores like Collins (ME) , McCain (AZ), Alexander (TN) and Graham (SC)  is more or less a who’s who of – red state Senators.

Sadly, and with much anger I have to say both my Senators from TN voted to allow the bill to proceed – much to my disgust.

I more or less expected Lamar Alexander (TN) to jump ship – he’s got a proven track record of it time and time again. He’s part of the “Memphis crowd” – But Corker?

So with out more ado ….Bob fucking Corker – I hope you fucking drop dead – actually Bob….yesterday would have been a nice fucking day to do exactly that…but no hard feelings …right Bob? You fucking piece of camel shit herpes infected cunt stain bastard son of a crack whore that you are.

Kelly Ayotte (N.H.)
Richard Burr (N.C.)
Saxby Chambliss (Ga.)
Tom Coburn (Okla.)
Susan Collins (Maine)
Bob Corker (Tenn.)
Jeff Flake (Ariz.)
Lindsey Graham (S.C.)
Dean Heller (Nev.)
John Hoeven (N.D.)
Johnny Isakson (Ga.)
Mark Kirk (Ill.),
John McCain (Ariz.)
Pat Toomey (Pa.)
Roger Wicker (Miss.)
Lamar Alexander (Tenn.)

A thousand times a thousand curses on the houses of all 16. Biblical ones. Locusts – Boils – Pestilence and Plague – Because hey, when dealing with traitorous scum like these sixteen – you should care enough to send the very best….

F.E.T.E

Update -1

It would appear that the blow back is starting: For those of you that use Face Crack – go and search around on the 16 RINO’s FB pages…the blow back is rather – impressive.

There is also a movement afoot to bring the NRA to task because they have given each of these treasonous bastards high ratings…

Here’s some of the comments I saw on Lamar Alexanders FB page:

**  For whatever reason the block quotes under the fold aren’t displaying properly – so I’ve italicized any comments I pulled off of FB **

TRAITOR!!!! Consider your Political career over because we will no longer vote for someone that doesn’t represent our people!

 You sold your soul today, Senator, and you killed the chance for Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and others to filibuster this issue. Why??? Why??? Why??? We, the folks who voted you into office, deserve an explanation for this vote.

I fought for this country and the constitutional rights that you just decided should be up for debate, The problem here, senator, is that the bill of rights is supposed to be non- negotiable. get packing because your outta here in 2014.

There were 164+ (and counting) comments on just one issue that Alexander posted about – and it had nothing to do with the subject of today’s vote.

**  Update – 2 **

Well that certainly didn’t take long. See this in the press? I doubt it. Diane Fienstien has already inserted a amendment to S-679 Called SA 711 It is an EXPANSION of the 1994 Assault weapons ban. It’s too lengthy to post here but Here is link to the text of the language of SA711 And the other amendments.

Assault weapons ban of 2013

 

 

67 comments

  1. 1
    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    As I understand it, even if it DOES get through the Senate, then it goes to the House. I hope all conservatives in the states of those RINO senators vote them out next election, but I won’t hold my breath.

    However coma

    Comma, comma! (Coma is when you are unconscious.) Although, these days, you could make the argument that most of the administration is in a coma (or brain dead…).

  2. 2
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Are you Obama lovers happy yet? The country is changing, into a 3rd world economy! I guess you wanted that to happen right? Maybe this song is true and life as we know it is about to end!
    “The End Times” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10381143

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    Comma, comma! (Coma is when you are unconscious.) Although, these days, you could make the argument that most of the administration is in a coma (or brain dead…).

    DOH! My spouse keeps muttering sumthin’ sumthin’ braindead….. Maybe she’s right?! :em03:

    Fixed, Thanks for the catch… :em01:

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    Djach growls and barks:

    I already knew that the two pieces of shit senators -who represent the prognazi hell-hold of Illinois- were a lost cause! But sitting here, listening to Blumenthal drone on about the children of Sandy Hook makes me really want to play mailbox baseball with his head as the bat! Fucking A!!! And fwiw, I have ZERO confidence in the House w/ Bonehead at the helm! :em03:

    Well, just like Anthony G. Martin already wrote about in his blog Musings After Midnight, “the clock is ticking and its 15 seconds closer to midnight” for our once great nation…!

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Once again, I must apologize for New Hampshire’s version of Scott Brown in a skirt. All I can do is work to get her primaried by a real conservative when her term is up. First, we need top bury Jean Shaheen in 2014 and retake the house from the communists.

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    I think this vote was to allow debate on the gun grabbing bill wasn’t it? if so, then it might be a good thing to get this monstrosity out into the open. If not, and it turns out to be a lot of meaningless hot air….

    then I guess I have some ammo that I need to buy

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    The House will betray us the same way the Senate will. We are being “Obama-cared” all over again.

    And we will be told to “calm down, the Supreme court will handle it.”

    They won’t.

    This is not legislation. If Obama gets this bill and signs it, it’s a unilateral declaration of civil war by the government on the people of this nation.

    Not one fucking step more will they go while this little black duck draws a breath.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    The House will betray us the same way the Senate will. We are being “Obama-cared” all over again.

    And we will be told to “calm down, the Supreme court will handle it.”

    They won’t.

    This is not legislation. If Obama gets this bill and signs it, it’s a unilateral declaration of civil war by the government on the people of this nation.

    Not one fucking step more will they go while this little black duck draws a breath.

    then I need to stock up on “supplies” if you get my drift

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    I think this vote was to allow debate on the gun grabbing bill wasn’t it? if so, then it might be a good thing to get this monstrosity out into the open. If not, and it turns out to be a lot of meaningless hot air….

    Correct – it does not make it law – it only allows it to proceed for debate. But, as I said Jay, the issue here is these RINO’s even allowing it to progress this far.

    As far as “getting it out into the open”, The Arabs have a saying; “Never let the camel stick his nose into the tent”, meaning once that camel does that, you’re liable to have the whole damn thing in there with you. And that is what I see happening here. They allowed it to come to the floor, from there it is allowed to be amended – what is one of those amendments ? The so called “Assault Weapons Ban” that was dropped earlier, the same one Reid was forced to drop.

    Frankly, you have to have a lot of confidence in your elected officials that they won’t turn right around and add the original language back in – I don’t have that level of trust in any of those jackals in D.C. Not a single f’n one of them including my own two Senators. It’s the switch and bait risk this bill poses that is the danger.

    I know, I’m dangerously close to a ‘single issue voter on this – so be it – but I also go on principle in life – Corker and Alexander have none as evidenced by the multiple votes they have taken the ProgNazi side on – everything from Global Warming, to now this bill.

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    readerjp growls and barks:

    You might be interested in what’s going on already in the great state of NY:

    Oops! New York State Police Admit to Major Mistake in Gun Confiscation Case

    In a surprising turnaround, New York State Police have admitted that they made a mistake when they confiscated the guns and suspended the permit of an Erie County resident on the grounds of mental health.

    Late Wednesday, Erie County, NY, released a statement (posted below) blaming the New York State Police for giving them bad information regarding the suspension of a pistol permit and demand to surrender firearms sent to Amherst resident David Lewis.

    They’re already confiscating guns from licensed gun holders. Think about this: How do they get the information on who is taking anti-anxiety medications? Your medical info is supposed to be confidential. Well, now we know what else Obamacare is bringing us. Next: institutionalizing dissenters. Just like the USSR.

    In NY, state police are part of the executive = governor’s army.

    And I wonder if this has anything to do with the new list of medications that NY State Insurance WON’T cover anymore – which they say were always banned, but the state didn’t notice. How stupid is that?!

    More here: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/09/a-form-of-gun-confiscation-has-reportedly-begun-in-new-york-state-heres-the-justification-being-used/

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondant @ #:

    Correct – it does not make it law – it only allows it to proceed for debate. But, as I said Jay, the issue here is these RINO’s even allowing it to progress this far.

    If you listen to them, they are showing that they have no idea what the Constitution is, and what their actual duties are.
    :em08:

    As far as “getting it out into the open”, The Arabs have a saying; “Never let the camel stick his nose into the tent”, meaning once that camel does that, you’re liable to have the whole damn thing in there with you. And that is what I see happening here. They allowed it to come to the floor, from there it is allowed to be amended – what is one of those amendments ? The so called “Assault Weapons Ban” that was dropped earlier, the same one Reid was forced to drop.

    Time to go camel hunting?
    :em03:

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    angrywebmaster @ #: 11

    Time to go camel hunting?

    Or RINO as the case may be :em05:

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Yeah time is getting short. Both sides are really itchy for a fight – both just waiting for the first good pretext. Calm before the storm right now… a lull…. good time to get the garden planted.and a stockpile of any preps not fully stocked for those into not standing on FEMA lines.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Looks useful:

    http://gunthreadadapters.com/

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    single stack growls and barks:

    Remember what the Dutch did to scum like this. I know I do-and I won’t forget if I’m still alive when the time comes.

    Roger Wicker is my senator, along with the execrable Thad Cochran, and he has proven himself to be a treasonous collaborator many times since his election.

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    Rain growls and barks:

    It doesn’t surprise me that McCain was a squish… but… Flake too? WTF, over? I sure hope that they grow a spine once this monstrosity starts being “debated” but I sure as hell am not gonna hold my breath

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    Djach growls and barks:

    Yes, I’m guilty of some inflammatory comments posted on to ProgNazi Mark Kirk’s (RINO-IL) mugbook! I was already fully aware of his position regarding the gun control issue prior to the vote, but any chance I get to spew some anger his way will not go wasted. :em08:

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    LC_Salgak growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    Yeah time is getting short. Both sides are really itchy for a fight – both just waiting for the first good pretext. Calm before the storm right now… a lull…. good time to get the garden planted.and a stockpile of any preps not fully stocked for those into not standing on FEMA lines.

    I would be VERY surprised if the shooting does NOT break out by the fall. . .

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    rickn8or growls and barks:

    readerjp, looks like the new meme for NY is “Take Paxil, lose your pistol.”

    Apologies to all y’all for Alexander and Corker. Just waiting for all the goodies that pulled Toomey over to the Dark Side to get amended out of the bill.

    Both the D’s that voted against it are up for re-election in ’14, so I can at least respect them for trying to cover their asses.

    Oh. Look at this. Alexander’s up for re-election in ’14 too. Guess I’m gonna support whoever runs against him, primary AND general election. At least with a “D” I can count on him to vote a certain way.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC_Salgak @ #:

    I would be VERY surprised if the shooting does NOT break out by the fall. . .

    We are one incident away from the start of SHTF. All it will take is one Waco style incident, especially if the defenders are able to hold off the initial attack and call for help.

    IIRC, one of the “excuses” used for the final action on the Davidians was a rumor that a large militia was coming down to break the siege. Just a rumor of course. This time, it won’t be one. The nightmare for Federal agents is getting surrounded, cut off with no hope of relief, and running out of ammo.

    In other news, I just took a look at Ayotte’s “Official” faceplant page. She is getting slammed badly. I wonder what the calls to her office are like.
    :em03:

    It’s never to early to look for a serious primary challenger for her. The only reason she won her primary, was her opponent was to much of a gentleman to demand a recount. He was worried it would be divisive. (He lost by about 1000 votes)

  21. 21
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DEAD SENATORS………………NOT A BAD THING?

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    Orion growls and barks:

    You all may find the video “Waco: Rules of Engagement” to be instructive and interesting.

    But for those of you talking about betrayal and your congresscritters – When are you going to wake up and realize that expecting the group of crooks calling themselves ONE thing (this week) to suddenly become honest is as illogical as expecting the OTHER group of crooks calling themselves something else (this week) to do so.

    Folks, we do not have a government. There is a criminal cartel that has seized power. Expect them to behave as criminals and you will not be disappointed. Expect them to behave as legislators, professionals, representatives, etc. and you will be bitterly disappointed, each and every time.

    Wake up to reality.

    Orion

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    rickn8or @ #:

    Alexander’s up for re-election in ’14 too. Guess I’m gonna support whoever runs against him, primary AND general election. At least with a “D” I can count on him to vote a certain way.

    You can pretty much count on Lamar to vote the same way, too.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Oh. Good. Grief. If y’all don’t stop wringing your hands, you are going to get callouses. The senate floor is now open for debate — endless debate, after which time, there will still be ample opportunity for filibusters and the like.

    :em02:

    “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say “what should be the reward of such sacrifices?” Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
    – Samuel Adams

    The time for mewling quims has come and gone. And supplicant government establishment dick-suckers.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    The time for mewling quims has come and gone. And supplicant government establishment dick-suckers.

    Explains DJ EXACTLY

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    0007 growls and barks:

    See, here’s the problem, DJ, for one thing the only people who have access to the NICS system are FFL holders.

    So if you want to sell one of your guns at a show, you’re going to have to find a dealer who wants to take the time to do the transfer – for which he will(reasonably) expect to be paid. How much he will expect to be paid, who knows?That also means the transfer will have to go into his books which means BATF database/registration.

    And you can’t show me ANYPLACE where registration DID NOT lead to confiscation down the road.

    Oh yeah, and what planet are you living on where you think a couple of ganghbangerswho are trading guns are going to drive around looking for a dealer to do a transfer for them? Right, I forgot you live on planet LIB-PROG…

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    Eric Praline growls and barks:

    In ancient Rome, politicians executed for treason had their tongues and right hands nailed to the rostrum in the forum as a warning to others. Food for thought. :em03:

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Anatomy of a DJ Allen Appearance:

    1: Selects an issue near and dear to target(s).
    2: Types disdainful, dismissive, collectivist drivel and projects his failings into others.
    3: Get’s exactly the sort of response that a narcissistic sociopath deserves.
    4: Acts startled and indignant by the predictable rebuttals.
    5: Tries to attack by word-wall. Nobody reads it for the most part.
    6: Wants to re-write reality to suit his preconceived notions and projections.
    7: Get’s swatted, ignored, or eye-rolled by community in general.
    8: Stomps feet like a 4-year old, bawls, and pretends he didn’t start it.
    9: Looks around and realizes his wounded Killdeer routine has failed.
    10: Bemoans how the “community has changed” since “the good old days.”
    11: Makes passing reference to “all those driven away by the haters.
    12: Gets yawns from the adults in the room, who’ve seen this cartoon before.
    13: Announces that he’s LEAVING FOREVER – that will show them all!
    14: Returns 2-5 months later, repeats process.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Folks, the Looters have realized that No One Is Guarding the Store.

    We’re in the exact position of a bunch of helpless little old ladies and gents, swatting futilely with our handbags and canes at big strapping thugs as they carry TV sets and jewelry out of the store.

    As far as fighting back is concerned, the Looters don’t worry about that one whit. The biggest Big Push Americans ever made to escape the iron grip of the Federal Government was in 1860. And you know how that turned out, even when the South had several contiguous states and a first-rate army with the legendary General Lee at its head. Make what you will of the South’s motives (Gen. Longstreet was right: we should have freed the slaves and THEN fired on Fort Sumter), the South’s fortunes in battle are a Cautionary Tale.

    There was much valor on both sides, but the North crushed the South with greater weight of numbers (3:1) and a shitload more money. The situation now is much worse. Those who disagree bitterly with the course the Central Government is taking are scattered throughout a largely ignorant and brainwashed population. The Central Government has firepower that is a few orders of magnitude greater than anything any citizens could muster (much different from the old days, where things were a lot more even). Electronic spying is going through our sock drawers even now. Surveillance is everywhere.

    Bottom line, they aren’t worried about anyone getting hotheaded and starting anything. If anything, the Central Govt. would welcome it: would give them an excuse to Crack Down on dissidents.

    Oh, and the shit about using accusations of mental illness (no trial, no proof, no nothing) to strip citizens of our rights is PERFECTLY FUCKING SOVIET UNION-STYLE, ISN’T IT? That was one of their favorite hell-tactics.

    Feel the ratchet tightening … tightening ….

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Poor Bob Owens: http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/04/republican-senators-drop-gun-bill-filibuster-is-a-trap-being-set/

    He really does have an earnest heart – and he’s a real patriot. But… the stupid party is just not capable or willing to doing what Bob wants or hopes…

    The comments are pretty harsh – but not directed at him – which is good. I think the people recognize that Mr. Owens is “good people.”

    Not much love for the stupid-party after this betrayal. Fuck’em in my opinion, they deserve to join the Whigs, in hell.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Well Tallulah, we learned some lessons since the Civil war. Some of them taught to us by good old Sherman himself. The south lost the logistical war. This next time around, the rebels will pull a few pages from the enemies playbook. Less than 5 guys and a few hunting rifles or IED’s can make much of New York City a very dark, very cold place in January. And it’s going to stay that way for a long, long long time.

    Croplands, forests, gas-mains, water-lines, the power grid in general, internet fiber, bridges, roads… the list of potential targets is so mind boggling and impossible to defend in any practical way… the government (if they were listening to their own advisers), should be scared shit-less of what they are stirring up.

    Recall that it’s a very different time than in the 1860’s. Back then most-everybody had a coal or wood-stove, several cords of wood, food for the winter in the root cellar, stocked, lamp-oil for light, and a well. You needed to shit, you had an outhouse. There was also more wilderness stocked with game, gardens in most yards, and much of the population knew how to hunt, trap, forage, and grow their keep.

    And the killer – much LESS population – it was sustainable with what could be produced by someone and their kin – now, only expensive, complex, modern machinery can meet the caloric demands of hundreds of millions of people. How many people still know how to plow with a mule, grow a crop without pesticides, harvest it, and preserve a portion of the seeds for next season? not enough to feed hundreds of millions of people, that’s for sure.

    These days… most souls have 2 or 3 days of food tops (counting ketchup), and are 100% dependent on the utilities for heat, water, sanitation, and light. They don’t know how to grow their food, don’t know how to hunt, don’t know how to gut whatever they manage to kill, and wouldn’t know potable water from a mud-puddle. The stores have no back-stock to deal with supply disruptions. Warehouses are just staging grounds – there really is no surplus anymore. (Thank the Keynesians running our financial system for that by the way).

    The infrastructure keeps the sheeple alive. The infrastructure feeds the government. The infrastructure is indefensible – especially to small teams or even lone wolves.

    See the government’s problem yet?

    They’ve worked really hard to empower themselves by making much of the population dependent sheep. This works so long as the population is supplicant. If just a small portion of it – about 3% – decides to tear it all out from under them… they are pretty much fucked. The stampeding cattle the welfare state has created will kill it.

    What’s left afterwards won’t be very pretty. For any of us. But at this point, anything that happens now is on THEM.
    They picked the fight.

    And we haven’t even gotten into cyber-warfare, civil-disobedience, and deliberate economic warfare. Or the inevitable stock market collapse that will follow once “shit-gets-real.”

    The fact is, this country has become fragile – it’s been undermined too badly for too long – ironically, by the very fuckers who want to turn it into their personal fiefdom.

    They are locusts that destroy everything, and bring only ruin. When they make their bid for power, it will be undone by the constituency they created to undermine the previous power structure.

    That probably won’t be very comforting for however few of us remain afterwards.

  32. 32

    Deej Deej Deej,

    The Bill of rights are not up for debate – this has been ruled on by SCOTUS 7 times this century alone. That includes the 2nd so What part of this do you and your progressive pals in the republican party just don’t get?

    90% want this bill – YEAH RIGHT! Sorry not according to what I see out there – there is anger over this and it’s justified. Especially in GOP circles, while you might want to send Diane Fienstine a bunch of Roses and sing her fucking praises for her ‘sensible gun control” – The people that voted for GOP members sent them to DC to stand for our Rights and they stabbed us square between the shoulder blades.

    What you call hand wringing is nothing of the sort. Obama has trotted out that figure based on a poll. What’d they do dial every cell phone in San Francisco and NYC and say they had a result? It wouldn’t surprise me. So the figure of 90% is complete and utter bullshit, you for all you so called pragmatism are doing nothing but carrying the water of tyrants.

    There are ALREADY some 300 Federal and State ‘gun control” laws already on the books – try enforcing those before you step one foot further on infringing MY Rights to keep and bear arms. For Example – why is it that 40,000 people were denied gun purchases in the last year alone but only about 4 % of those were prosecuted? Yet you want to allow debate on THE FURTHER EROSION my rights? I don’t think so.

    And lastly – if this doesn’t make even you quail at the trampling of your rights – there is no hope for you. Have you seen the fucking list in NY of psychotropic drugs that makes you intelligible to purchase a fire arm DJ? Two popped out at me immediately Ambien and Ativan.

    I’ve been on both – do you know why? Ambian, Because I sometimes don’t sleep well – I don’t know why I just don’t – other wise I am a normal productive person – but in the State of NY were I a citizen inside it’s borders taking it would strip me of my inalienable rights because of – periodic bouts with insomnia.
    Ativan I was given during my treatment for cancer – It was told to me when I questioned what it was used for that it was to help control the Exorcist style vomiting cycles that were a by product of the chemo therapy – but as I later found out it is also used as an anti-depressant. In NY this now makes me illegible to own a weapon. Can you say infringe? How many Cancer patients just lost their fucking rights in NY alone DJ- answer me that question.

    If that sort of thing hits the street as FEDERAL law DJ, guess what – I got a dollar that says because of what YOU personally have to deal with much like I did with Cancer that says suddenly – You just lost your rights. Because of a pill. THAT DOESN’T DISTURB YOU? It should Mr. so called Libertarian.

    That is why this bill should have been Dead on Arrival – it allows for amendments to be added back in and it is liable to result in further infringement on top of already 300 other infringements the government of the US and Various states have forced on the American Citizen.

    In closing – It seems to me that you missed one of the over all points of my original post – I stated quite clearly that I know and others should know this does not mean S-679 Is law – I did not mention that it still needs a vote in the house. I didn’t feel the need to – I think most people here are well versed in the political process of law making – other wise they would be lurking around a cooking blog somewhere discussing their latest recipe for fucking snot green guacamole.

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    Anthony L. growls and barks:

    @28, DJ:

    If 90% of people indeed support this clear encroachment on the 2A, there is a procedure. Get 2/3 of congress to propose the amendment, and 3/4 of the States to ratify it. Should be no problem if 90% of the people want this correct? Or am I missing something here.

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    Marcus T. Cicero growls and barks:

    Voted for both traitors last elections. It will not happen again. We HAD nine Republican votes in my household,now there is a big fat ZERO. We will vote Libertarian, fuck off Lamar and Bob you are both shit scrapped from my boots……. :em07:

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    LC Ohio Right Wing Nut @ #:

    I saw that just now – as they say – the Fix is in. This bill will pass both chambers – in what guise I don’t know but this battle is more or less a done deal I am afraid.

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    Anthony L. growls and barks:

    #43 Deej, “Congress doesn’t listen to the people any more, they listen to the big money interests.”

    Thank you so much for making my point for me. We The People, they put it right in front, in great big letters, so even liberal / progressives could understand it.

  38. 38
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    I reiterate: They can sign shit all day long. I don’t recognize any of it. If my rights are infringed they can fuck off. I’m not registering shit. Not turning in shit. I won’t submit to stupid.

    the rest of this conversation is fight club.

    Molon Labe

  39. 39
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    And I’m going to open carry today. On campus. Teaching. Might just make it a habit. I’ve already cleared it with my Co Sheriff (who also thinks they can fuck off).

    Game on.

  40. 40

    We don’t have a “gun” problem, we have a “behavior” problem.

    I don’t think we need the 300+ laws that are currently on the books that deal with “gun control”. We just need to increase the penalties for people who commit CRIMES using weapons — of any kind..

    We allow too many people to plea bargain out of the actual crimes they commit — all for expediency and cutting costs. We fill our jails and prisons with low-level crimes like drug possession and minor thefts, and are then forced to make deals with armed robbers, and other violent fuckwads because we need to make more room for them in court.

    MY idea of “gun control” is to allow everyone who is out in society to buy/sell/own/possess as many firearms or types of firearms as they desire. No Restrictions, No registrations, no need for “background checks”. The ONLY requirement I would make is that EVERYONE knows that the first time they use a weapon of any kind to commit a crime, they are through. Period. Zero tolerance.

    As long as you can live within the laws of society, then you are golden.

    Most gun owners are law-abiding people and would have no problem with MY solution. They certainly would have more freedom than they do right now.

    Okay damn it – which one of you guys replaced Deej with this right wing death-beast imposter?!?

    Whoever you are – It’s not funny! Cut it out! :em06: Because I am quite confident that any time I find common ground with Deej… The Apocalypse is neigh.

  41. 41
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    “What is to stop the school from terminating you on the spot?

    Hey, well have fun with that. But wouldn’t that be ironic if you end up losing your right to bear arms because of a felony conviction for not following the law?

    Just asking…”

    I’m editing as I’ve considered my replies. You evidently don’t do well in reading comprehension, and/or know shit about which you speak. So let me put you some leranin’ (I do it for a living, so it’s cool)

    1) My state is an open carry state
    2) I have a CC permit
    3) I’ve already discussed this at length with the County Sheriff (btw, for you folks playing at home? He’s THE LE boss, not city police chief(s))
    4) my students carry. I carry. My dept chair knows I carry

    I could follow up with abusive insults regarding your intellect, but that would be unkind, and it’s Friday so I’m supposed to be nice today.

    Carry on.

  42. 42
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    and just to note: I could show up with a full kit including an AR and a standard combat loadout and it’s legal. Now no one does that (I sure as fuck won’t) because everyone will think you’re insane, but it’s not illegal.

  43. 43
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Sounds smarter than you do. Been breeding outside the family?

    :em05:

    8a: DJ Frantically swings at the air, growing more and more desperate to connect.
    8b: His frustration mounting, posts become more erratic, and he begins replying line by line.
    8c: He will show them his brilliance! Feel the power of text-wall! Lightning-bolt!!!”
    8d: Community shrugs at desperate pleas for attention, further fueling DJ’s quest for self actualization.

  44. 44
    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    Deej, I suggest you look up the definition of “solipsism”. Stating PART of the truth/fact is a nice convenient way to get somebody to go along with you. Ain’t gonna happen here.

    Here’s what you so blindly IGNORE: Our miserable excuse for a Gubmint cannot be trusted any more. The ProgNazis and Marxists are running the Asylum now, and what history has shown is CLEARLY happening in our beloved Country now. Read much history? If so, what part did you not understand about registration. Of ANYthing? What’s the first thing a totalitarian tries to do to the populace before taking power? Wake up, sonny.

    Even if universal background checks do somehow manage to pass into law, there will be no grape-busting over it. You must have missed the part where a whopping 90 percent of the people in virtually every poll taken on the subject seem to have no problem with criminal background checks and stiff penalties for knowingly selling guns to criminals, terrorists, and the mentally ill. Even the internal polls of NRA members don’t seem to have a problem with it — as long as that is the extent of things.

    Where the heck do you get your information, the back of a napkin at a Dumbocrat convention? YOU must have missed the part where we are seeing more and more misuse of information by the Feds for the Marxist-In-Chief’s purposes. I leave it to your “superior” search-fu skills to find examples of this, unless some of the Rotties want to chime in and do your work for you, but there have been at least THREE examples of the States and Feds exchanging information (illegally, I might add!) that are a detriment to our freedom. Or are you ignoring facts that don’t line up to your “rational” world view? (Hint: Solipsism)

    Good to hear from you anyway, bud. Keep on keeping on. We need the “target practice”. :em05:
    Gotta get back to work to support all those “undocumented Democrat voters”.

  45. 45
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:

    Turkey 1911 followed by the genocide of million Armenians.
    USSR 1929 followed by the murder of about 20 million dissidents.
    Germany 1928 registration followed by confiscation in 1938 followed by the extermination of about 13 million “undesirables” such as Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals.
    China 1936 followed by the murder of about 80 million dissidents.
    Australia confiscation
    California confiscation
    New York confiscation
    Nope, nowhere.

    Good man. It’s painful educating the virtually retarded, ain’t it?

  46. 46
    BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) growls and barks:

    Ah … brings a smile to my face, seeing DJ getting his ass handed to him repeatedly while he holds his hands over his ears and says “Nanny-nanny boo-boo, I really am smarter than all of you meanies.”

    Tyranny of the majority, and all that, DJ. That’s why you live in a representative republic, not a democracy.

    HempRope … you are so spot-on (in all things I’ve seen) it is scary.

  47. 47
    BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) growls and barks:

    Tango9 says:

    Go fuck yourself.

    You seem to get that reaction a lot, Deej. :em05:

  48. 48
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    “You seem to get that reaction a lot, Deej.”

    I am beginning to think it’s what he’s after. Sort of like the internet-forum version of those people that can’t climax unless somebody is choking them…

  49. 49
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:

    I am beginning to think it’s what he’s after.

    Isn’t that what is called “Trolling?” Don’t people get banned for that?

    Sort of like the internet-forum version of those people that can’t climax unless somebody is choking them…

    Oh, it’s porn then.
    :em07:

  50. 50
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Keep on the path, fuckstick.

    Shhhh… don’t make him angry – he might smash his Thomas the Train Engine happy-meal toy on the ground, shriek impotently, and stomp off to parts unknown – *forever.

    *Or about twenty days, whichever comes first…

  51. 51
    readerjp growls and barks:

    DJ – You keep ducking the question of “medical confidentiality.” Is the governor allowed to look at health care records of private citizens? Is he allowed to use the State Police for his own personal army – like the Gestapo – to go to people and just take their stuff away, without law? That’s Fascism and you can’t make an argument for that.

  52. 52

    CiSSnarl5.7, try to have some faith here. By now you should know how sausage is made. This is sausage, and it is pretty ugly in its process.

    The Senate barely got an agreement in the “gang of 8 16. It wouldn’t take much to unravel any agreement they had up until now. Amendments are always going to be proposed. Some may stick, others will fall off. THEN it goes to the House.

    Sorry, while we DO in fact have common ground on this issue Deej, (Damn it !!Why is it so cold in here?!? : Satan) as I see it, Faith is for fools. No, I am not calling you a fool, I’m not hurling insults at you personally. We are almost 100% in agreement on this issue except for the point about the bill itself going to the floor. But, Faith is for Fools, Especially IRT politicians who are only concerned with their poll numbers and getting themselves the next batch of years in office.

    My entire argument that this bill should have been DOA stands. I simply refuse to let these lying hacks like Corker and Alexander dictate to me or trust them with the “negotiation” of my Inalienable rights any longer. I won’t be played to fool any longer.

    This recent vote just goes to illustrate that point. They’ve betrayed the Constitution numerous time’s – this isn’t a single issue, NDAA ring a bell? Patriot Act? Now I’m to have faith in them to do the right thing with my right to keep and bear arms?

    You yourself have railed against those both long and loud both during the current administration and as far back as Bush’s time, yet you extol me to have faith in this system now? No sorry. tis’ a bridge too far for me. I *used* to have faith in my government to do the right thing, In fact, I’ve supported that government many times, but more and more as of the last 6-8 years or so that faith has been steadily destroyed.

    Having ‘faith’ in this system to me is akin to having battered wife syndrome…”Next time it will be better, Next time he won’t get drunk, Next time he won’t hurt me so bad”….Yeah, and Next time my elected officials whom I trusted with a vote – took faith in their promises – won’t sell me and my rights down the river.

    This isn’t about political games any longer. The little dog and pony shows (sausage making as you call it) they are playing making the Democrats own this bill or that bill, or making the GOP own this or that bill… are beyond any reasonable doubt putting our rights at risk. It’s about principle – you can’t play games with the Bill of rights, you’re either for the 2Nd or Against it- it’s not a matter for debate. That is why I am so furious with my two Senators from TN.

    As I said before – “Never let the Camel Stick his nose inside your tent”. With 300 plus Federal and State Gun laws on the books and more being added by NY, CT, MD, CO and others almost by the day – That Camel certainly has more than his nose in the tent at this point. And I am of the opinion that Mr. Camel needs a fucking good healthy punch right in his ugly puss. Get his fucking ass out of the tent – The RINOS could have help delivered that punch by presenting a united front, and killing this bill. They didn’t. They chose to make sausage, they played games instead.

  53. 53
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Conversely, you can’t show me ANYPLACE where registration DOES lead to confiscation down the road.

    Australia

    Great Britain

    New Zealand.

  54. 54
    Marcus T. Cicero growls and barks:

    :em03: Totally conflicted. Republican since RR, don’t understand what happened with Alexander and Corker. Getting conflicting reports for reason in their VOTE . Need some honest info. IF the action of the 16 Senators was a GOOD thing to bring the vote to the Senate. What gives???

  55. 55
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    I view rottie as the big kid locker room. We can come in here, show our asses, talk shit, fight among one another, cuss, spit and just generally be obnoxious. I have a feeling DJ and I will agree on more than we disagree on. But where’s the fun in that?

  56. 56

    Tango9 says:

    But where’s the fun in that?

    :em03: :em05: :em03: :em07:

  57. 57
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I just came from a adult party store. I had heard about it, but since it’s a good 40 minute drive, I haven’t had the time to visit it. Until today. I picked up 4 boxes of .45 party favors and 2 boxes of 9mm party favors.
    :em01:
    They also had .223 noisemakers, but they were limiting it to 2 boxes.
    :em08:

    They had lots of other adult toys on hand including items that send Diane Feinstein’s heart into full blown arrhythmia. :em01:

    Business was good it seemed to me.

    Just doing my part for the debate on removing my civil rights. I voted…with my wallet.
    :em07:

  58. 58
    Tango9 growls and barks:

    well here. The best presidential speech ever given: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpH5L8zCtSk#!

  59. 59
    readerjp growls and barks:

    Nowhere in your answer do you respond to my questions about:

    1. The right of the governor and/or federal government and/or state police having the power to look at your medical records. Period. I’m not talking about guns, this issue has nothing to do with guns.

    2. Does the governor have the right to use the State Police as his own private army?

    3. Do the governor and state police have the right to take away ANYTHING from you, when there is no law justifying it?

    You can’t deny that people’s rights, including to that of privacy, are being violated. Suppose they see you took some mental health drug – do they have the right to declare you “dangerous” and lock you up? If there’s no law saying they can’t? They have done it in all Fascist countries. We are slowly moving toward tyranny.

  60. 60

    readerjp says:

    1. The right of the governor and/or federal government and/or state police having the power to look at your medical records. Period. I’m not talking about guns, this issue has nothing to do with guns.

    Is the glass half full, half empty, or does it contain a 50% level? It’s not right, but it’s legal. We must get that changed in some fashion, but at the moment that’s how it is.
    readerjp says:

    2. Does the governor have the right to use the State Police as his own private army?

    No. That is what the state National Guard is for.
    readerjp says:

    3. Do the governor and state police have the right to take away ANYTHING from you, when there is no law justifying it?

    Clearly a no. Legally. But it makes no difference in the legality of it if the serfs suffer it.

  61. 61
    forresthump growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #:
    Has a ring to it.

  62. 62
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    The mainstream news media have covered every detail of the mass murder that was committed in Newtown, Connecticut and the shooting of Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford’s, and yet in 2010, a mass murder of another kind has been ignored by the large mainstream media, including today’s trial testimony against abortion doctor, Kermit Gosnelll.

    In January 2011, after a lengthy investigation, Kermit Gosnell, a Philadelphia abortion doctor who ran his West Philadelphia abortion clinic was charged with the murder of one woman and seven newborn babies.

    Stephen Murray of the Triumph reported in 2011, gruesome detail of what started as a raid on Gosnell’s clinic on the suspicion that he was distributing prescription drugs illegally turned out to reveal what Murray called, a “house of horrors”.

    Murray reported, “The facility was filthy. Flea-infested cats roamed the hallways. There was blood on the floor, animal excrement on stairwells. The stench of urine permeated the air. Medical instruments were left unsterile. Moaning, drugged-up patients were covered with blood-soaked blankets. And the remains of 45 fetuses were strewn all over the facility, stuffed in bags, jars, plastic jugs, juice cartons—even cat-food containers.” If they really care so much for the children why is there not one word about this from them?

  63. 63
    readerjp growls and barks:

    Thank you, DJ. I am not so concerned about being tracked, but I DO believe patients have the right to have their medical records kept confidential. Doesn’t the government have to subpoena them if they want to use them in a prosecution?

    It concerns me that the government can use these records to do anything based on no law. The governor could incarcerate people he deems dangerous; maybe in a mental institution, maybe in prison. I don’t think there is a law in NY State enabling the governor – or anyone else – to make these kinds of decisions, or to take away property. Or revoke licenses. I understand that if you’re a licensed professional, a review by your peers determines what penalty- if any – you should pay. And if we let them get away with it, what’s next?

  64. 64
  65. 65
    Bones growls and barks:

    Either hell has frozen over and satan is issuing fur coats for all its’ denizens because it is so cold, OR someone has taken over DJ’s person, OR the pod people finally left his form. I can’t believe that I am going to say this, but… DJ, you have made a very cogent and correct arguement FOR THE CORRECT SOLUTION. I vehemetly disagree with you that this bill should have NEVER been brought to the floor, but your solution to the “gun control” (should be a two-handed grip?) issue is spot on.

  66. 66
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Okay, once again, HIPPA is written so that any petty apparatchik can access your medical records simply by saying that the information will be used for public safety or health uses. If you want to look at it, the link is in comment 56. Damn people, read the comments before you post, I didn’t spend 45 perfectly good seconds finding that information for nothing.

  67. 67

    How about a mandatory 10 years for committing a crime with a gun,, 20 years if it’s fired, and life in prison if anyone is hurt or killed?
    Florida folks know this as the 10-20-LIFE sentencing rule.
    15 years minimum if the forcible assault is committed with a full or semi auto pistol or rifle.