I’ll have what she’s smoking…

Because whatever it is – that must be some GOOD shit…

Robin Kelly – Another DemProgNazi who it would so seem is running for Je$$ie Jackson Jr’s now vacated Congressional slot in the utopian gun free zone called Chicago.

You know, Chi-town – The Windy City- where those majestically maned  Unicorn’s frolic under skittle colored rainbows and the peals of children laughing in glee at their prancing and dancing antics ring out -  Oh um wait – Scratch that as the sounds of gun fire from MS-13 and whatever other hood rat low life scum of society open up yet  another series of broad side attacks on hapless dis-armed citizenry.

Bless her little progressive heart, Ms. Kelly had this to say IRT Concealed Carry Laws and the Colorado Theater Shootings by James Holmes .

“in the movie [theater], they have conceal and carrybut nobody pulled out their guns to kill the gentleman that did all the damage that he did.”

Let me guess? Fact’s not your strong suite there sweet-heart? Nor apparently is your command of the English Language …..Or are you just really so mind numbingly stupid that the only thing that saves your worthless hide from certain extinction is that…. breathing is an automatic response?

First of all you ignorant bitch – a “Gentleman” at least by all reasonable definitions of the word does not walk into a movie theater – a classroom – a school and open fire on innocent people. So can we dispense with your ridiculous PC blather here?

Maybe in whatever fucking miserable slum sewer your worthless mother shat you out in, that term has different meanings,  but here in the real word it has a connotation of a man of honor. James Holmes was certainly not a ‘gentleman’. He is the bastard spawn son of Satan. So he doesn’t meet the definition – not by miles, sort of  the same as you would have a helluva hard time meeting the definition of a “Lady”,  Jus’ saying – seeing as you’ve obviously sold your fucking ass and attendant soul to the Devil himself.

Now that we’ve established the correct meaning of the terms you’ve slaughtered so wantonly let’s fact check your statement that “nobody pulled out their guns”.

You know why nobody pulled out a gun? Take a guess toots. Go-on I’m waiting. Can’t figure it out? Here let me get my handy Crayola and spell it out for you.

Cinemark, the operator of the theater where The Bastard spawn Holmes took 12 lives – had a gun free policy. Therefore the only ones who WOULD have had guns in the theater were – criminals Like Holmes. But thanks to you you and your god damn nanny state bullshit – the law abiding folk that went that fateful evening are now dead.

In fact that particular cinema; Was the ONLY one in a 20 minute radius from the shooters home that had such a prohibition against concealed carry of firearms. Co-Inky-Dink? I think not. There were several within mere moments of his home….Holmes choose that theater well aware that the patrons would likely have been unarmed.

Of course there’s always more – always. Always more blathering from some addle brained political cow like Kelly. It never ends.

Indeed, her opposition to conceal and carry is one of five pillars of an anti-gun pledge which serves as the banner of her official Facebook page. Kelly has openly campaigned on the promise that she “will lead on the issue of banning guns.”

The price I bear for rights to the liquor cabinet – I swear. So I held my nose took slug of what ever it is that passes for booze in this sand pit – and I waded off into the FaceCrack page from Hell ….Link above in the block quote .

*Imperial Disclaimer* visit at your own risk of increased blood pressure and violent urges to smash delicate computer equipment with hammers. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.

I was actually somewhat – well surprised to be honest, to see some of the comments posted there. Like searching for nuggets of gold in amidst the piles of fawning dung heaps from sycophant admirers (AKA Prognazis, low information voters, and welfare queens) there, I found some comments such as:

no votes here. I support the second amendment and the NRA and oppose ppl that infringe on our rights. there will always be criminals and they will find anyway they can to bring harm to whom ever they please. banning a class of weapon or magazine ban will not do anything. impeach obama and remove everyone out of office that doesn’t support our right as Americans to self defense.

That’s RACIST! Because – Shut Up!

Of Course, utterly tone deaf to that sort of comment  on her Face Crack Page she has to post more of her anti freedom / anti liberty mewling:

Today, the NRA released their best fundraising numbers in over a decade. Meanwhile, communities across Illinois and America continue to be plagued by devastating gun violence. The stories on the nightly news get worse and worse, but the NRA raises more and more money. It’s shocking and wrong.

Don’t is just gall your sweet little ass when the serfs don’t follow in lock step? It does doesn’t it?!?!

Shocking and wrong is it? No, not really – not when you think there is a growing segment of the population that is getting very tired of you and your progressive butt buddies trampling our rights.You’d think you people could figure this out being the smartest folk in the room and all that….Guess Not.

But what IS shocking and wrong is that your sorry ass isn’t on Facebook raising hell about the fucking punks in your district waging war in your streets while you push to dis arm law abiding citizens of the right to protect themselves. You are doing nothing – NOTHING  – with your worthless 5 Pillars Garbage but turning your people into walking targets in a shooting gallery you daft Cow -  No let me correct that …..Cow with a full blown brain melted case of Mad Cow at that. But speaking of Mad Cows….

I’ll be on the Rachel Maddow show tonight talking about our big win on Tuesday. Tune in during the second half of the show, which runs from 8:00 P.M. to 9:00 P.M. CST on MSNBC!

Oh Look – It’s TWO — TWO Mad Cows!!!!111!! Where the hell’s the FDA and DOA ?!? Oh – Must be that whole sequester thingy.. cut backs don’t you know..now we’re all at risk of exposure to Mad Cows…on MSNBC.

Then there’s this little update on her wall….

I am proud today to have the endorsement of my friend, President Barack Obama. I look forward to working with him in Washington.

Ah the Chicago Political Machine at it’s finest ….What’d that one cost you I wonder? You aiming to be the next Monica there hot cakes? Mheh – Endorsed by the TelePrompter King… How wonderful! Color us unimpressed.

The Connecticut legislature passed some of the strongest common sense gun laws in the nation. I applaud them for placing the interests of the people over the NRA.

And as they are soon to find out – Just like the Asshats in NY, MD, And CO, that passed these gun grab bills – that Damable NRA is already lining up the lawsuits. See there’s this pesky little 2ND Amendment in the US Constitution that you people keep failing at understanding, then the NRA has to send Lawyers out and sue the ever living snot out of the governments that passed these usurping of rights  – and just as Heller upheld the right to keep and bear arms – it’s going to again wind up with the SCOTUS. And you’ll loose again.

And if you don’t, hows those laws working so far anyhow? Not so hot it looks like what is it? Oh yes… 340 at last count Sheriffs have told you and your fellow travelers to go bark at the Moon – Citizens in NY have said thy will not comply -  Most of Texas is locked and loaded just waiting ….oh well…come get em… no really, COME.TAKE.THEM.

I’m trying to end this post – and the gosh darn Stoopid on this woman’s FaceCrack Page just won’t let me…. I could spend the rest of my natural born days and a few on life support wading through the toxic spillage of Stoopid, and writing furiously about it – but alas my patience for this sort of thing does tend to run short.

Go pay some visits to the links – drop her a love note on Face Crack – remember – keep it ‘civil’ she’s a “candidate” for public office – meaning she’s not one of us, she’s “special”… and get’s special laws written just for her….

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    My over-riding emotion or thought when I see shit like this happening everywhere is that……

    This cannot really be happening

    I almost expect to wake up from some bad dream or something, but then I realize that it’s the reality in 21st century America……and something needs to be done quickly. What that something is, I’m a little unclear about but it’s apparent that action must be taken soon or we lose this country. President Obama is busy jet setting about the country on the sequester credit card and clamoring for gun control and more squashing of our Constitutional freedoms while North Korea is setting up for a nuclear strike. Seems he would rather bully and disarm his own citizens through executive order than be a man and confront that little drunkard in Pyongyang. that tells me one thing:

    WE are the enemy, not a nuclear armed North Korea or Iran or the assorted minions…aka islamists…..who would gladly carry a closet nuke into our cities and detonate it. It is we middle class, working class, 2nd Amendment supporting, independant Americans whom he and the rest of the democRats see as an enemy. We don’t toe their party line so, instead of the bipartisanship they all scream about wanting so badly, they seek to silence us and negate any influence we have in the process. They do that through the non-stop campaigning that obama does, they do it through a skewed education curriculum that promotes their Stalinist agenda, and they do it through a media so devoted to them that we’ll never see the likes of Edward R Murrow again.

    As much as I don’t want to believe it, their takeover and dismantling of everything American is in full swing…..at all levels……….and I hate it. the pockets of right believing Americans are being compressed and marginalized, soon our voices will be muted…..not silenced…..but muted….drowned out by the voices of idiots like Robin Kelly and others who carry the prog-Nazi agenda forward. It is essential that we get our message and our opposition and the TRUTH disseminated to every corner of this country. The coming revolution can’t be a shooting one , we won’t win that, it has to be a revolution of message and persuasion backed by the notion that we are armed and prepared to use that. We MUST control the message, we MUST remove the propagandists from the air and print and internet….they need to be made irrelevant and exposed as the liars that they are.

    We are indeed a nation of riflemen, but we also need to be a nation of Thomas Paine’s…….carry the message, shout it loudly and proudly and never let them silence you.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    We are indeed a nation of riflemen, but we also need to be a nation of Thomas Paine’s…….carry the message, shout it loudly and proudly and never let them silence you.

    The only way that works is if you follow the thinking of this WWII poster: http://olive-drab.com/gallery/description_0078.php (“The M-1 does my talking!”), or if you prefer an older version: “Civilize them with a Krag” (or, for our Commonwealth friends: Invoke Rule 303). If it remains a war of words, the folks on Team Liberty become just the latest iteration of The Neville Chamberlain All-Stars.

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    Fa Cube Itches says:

    If it remains a war of words, the folks on Team Liberty become just the latest iteration of The Neville Chamberlain All-Stars.

    so in this age of 24 hour breaking news….or state sanctioned propaganda, do you really think an armed revolution would be given the coverage it deserved? I’m reminded of a Gil Scott-Heron song from the 60′s titled “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”. Look how many headlines and coverage our war in Afghanistan is getting, it’s a forgotten entity…..and that’s on purpose, because it would make obama and the rest of the brownshirts look bad.

    gotta control the message man

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    It’s too late, we have already lost the Republic. I can only hope that the dark age to follow is over quickly.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:

    It’s too late, we have already lost the Republic. I can only hope that the dark age to follow is over quickly.

    not yet man, think of this as early 1942. Or 1778.

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    Lockpick growls and barks:

    After the RNC spouted off about conservatives and grassroots, I sent an email to them, I am now an official independent. Go Tea Party.

    BTW, this has nothing to do with anything, but one of my favorite blog sites switched to Disqus for comments. Please, please, please never do that here.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    “so in this age of 24 hour breaking news….or state sanctioned propaganda, do you really think an armed revolution would be given the coverage it deserved?”

    Depends on what you mean by “deserved”. A serious level of thoughtful analysis? No, not at all. It would be the statist media calling for the annihilation of the evil enemies of the state. Daily reports? Yeah, it would be a major topic. Victories over the rebels would be trumpeted, rebel outrages would be magnified, victims of the rebels would be the subject of hagiographic biographies, hysteria and fear would be stoked to justify further expansion of the state, etc.

    “Look how many headlines and coverage our war in Afghanistan is getting, it’s a forgotten entity…..and that’s on purpose, because it would make obama and the rest of the brownshirts look bad.”

    Afghanistan is remote, far away, and to the media, boring. Hit squads operating in your hometown are immediate. Both sides would undoubtedly stage some “spectaculars” to keep media attention. There would be some cadaveri eccellenti, too. When someone like Piers Morgan gets a special lunch of 9mm to the back of the head/braised endive salad, it will get reported. So long as it lasts, it will become a part of the daily life. (Best guess is any sort of revolt would be along Northern Ireland lines, maybe getting into Former Yugoslavia-esque territory. I doubt it would go full Gettysburg/Rwanda/Mad Max.)

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    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Depends on what you mean by “deserved”.

    I mean the kind of coverage that would be objective to what all the fuss is about……it will never happen with the statist media we have in place.

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Afghanistan is remote, far away, and to the media, boring.

    it wasn’t during the Bush years, we had nightly body counts/political points masked as “tributes” to our fallen heroes.

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Hit squads operating in your hometown are immediate. Both sides would undoubtedly stage some “spectaculars” to keep media attention. There would be some cadaveri eccellenti, too. When someone like Piers Morgan gets a special lunch of 9mm to the back of the head/braised endive salad, it will get reported. So long as it lasts, it will become a part of the daily life. (Best guess is any sort of revolt would be along Northern Ireland lines, maybe getting into Former Yugoslavia-esque territory. I doubt it would go full Gettysburg/Rwanda/Mad Max.)

    agreed, but we won’t win unless we control the message….or at least balance it out.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Control he message? That’s why taking out some of the “key” communicators should be a priority. They are traitors of the highest order. GUILLOTINE!

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    gotta control the message man

    You can’t stop the signal Mal.

    It is going to come to war. That is unavoidable. The government knows it, those in the liberty movement know it, and all parties are preparing for bloodshed.

    The propaganda on both sides in is full tilt. Look no further than the battle-space preparation going on now for proof. Those tanks and ammo filling government caches ain’t for show, and we ain’t cleaning off the gun-racks and ammunition isles because we needed anymore than the 50k rounds we (should of) had at home before this shit started.

    It’s coming. And no, we will be painted as the bad guys no matter what.

    Boo-fucking-hoo.

    But, that fact will make it feel that much better when the news media and people near and dear to them start having fatal “accidents.” And after those bastards have to bury a few of their kids, they might decide to objectively report a thing or two.

    Its going to be more ugly than anything you can imagine. but those gearing up for this are gearing up to win, and will use any leverage available to do so. Nothing is off the table. Absolutely NOTHING. If those bastards have any weak point, it will be struck.

    Washington understood that.

    Ask the Loyalists who tried to support the crown…

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Control he message? That’s why taking out some of the “key” communicators should be a priority.

    that’s a start

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    But, that fact will make it feel that much better when the news media and people near and dear to them start having fatal “accidents.” And after those bastards have to bury a few of their kids, they might decide to objectively report a thing or two.

    targeting kids is a terrorist tactic…….we start doing that, and we live up to what nazis like napolitano and holder say about about us.

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    Its going to be more ugly than anything you can imagine. but those gearing up for this are gearing up to win, and will use any leverage available to do so. Nothing is off the table. Absolutely NOTHING. If those bastards have any weak point, it will be struck.

    Washington understood that.

    he also went after the armies that opposed him, and he also picked his battles very carefully…..true…some militia and irregular units went after loyalists wherever and whomever they were but it wasn’t a widely approved strategy.

    This will not be a traditional war, we don’t have the technology OR the firepower to make a stand up fight of it…..yes, taking out selective targets and putting the fear in those in power could sway things. But most likely, it will only make it harder on ANY of us who speak out on forums like this to continue to do so……and so we lose a front in the media war, and then we lose the war. This will be an information war, it is a war we are already losing.

    What do we do to change that?

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    [Hemp, I went in and made a couple of small changes for readability's sake. Hope you don't mind, sir. -Venomous]

    targeting kids is a terrorist tactic…….we start doing that, and we live up to what nazis like napolitano and holder say about about us.

    The patriots will be painted that way regardless. Think the Prog-nazis won’t pull false flags and blame it on the liberators, or blame any of their friendly fire and bungles on the insurrection? I got about 300 dead Mexicans that say damn right they will.

    No legitimate target will be off the table. The liberty movement will be burying their kids and loved ones. The slave-drivers will taste the same bitter dinner.

    This is a war of annihilation. They mean to see every liberty loving person and their family enslaved or dead.

    No sympathy left for animals.

    And until the media is too terrified to publish lies and propaganda, they will publish lies and propaganda. To win the patriot movement will need to adapt many of the tactics of the cartels.

    You won’t see a Mexican T.V. station talk much about what’s happening down there. There is a reason for that. And that reason is the reporters that do, and their families, end up hung from an overpass not long after.

    Defenders lose. Those who eschew certain tactics and strategies lose. People that take any options off the table lose.

    The patriots that died to spark the First revolutionary war were deliberately sent to fall. Never forget that – horrible distasteful things are done in war, and that includes sending people to die, false flag attacks, attacks on civilians, any worse. War is horrible beyond words and the last resort for a reason.

    But once engaged, the bloody affair will be fought to the last dead baby if that’s what it takes – that’s the price of freedom. That’s the way it was in the revolution, that’s the way it was in the Civil War, that’s the way it was in every effective war that’s actually being fought to win.

    They are the enemy of freedom and liberty. They support people that would kill those who love freedom. Their hands are as dipped in blood as those pulling the trigger on their behalf.

    Anything that happens to the pushers of tyranny and those close to ‘em is on THEM, not the patriots roused to defend their lives and sacred honor from attack.

    They started it.

    And they had to work Goddamned hard at it for 100 years.

    Once it gets hot, the liberty minded people will fight to wipe’em out. Their actions in support of tyrants make them and every single last earthly thing they hold dear legitimate military targets, and Goddamn them for forcing it.

    Fight to win, and win forever – and do every last awful dreadful horrible thing that it takes. Or don’t bother, and wear the chains proudly – and rationalize it each night by pondering how many of their kids didn’t die – while you watch your offspring toil away as their slaves forever.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    But once engaged, the bloody affair will be fought to the last dead baby if that’s what it takes. That’s the way it was in the revolution, that’s the way it was in the Civil War, that’s the way it was in every effective war that’s actually being fought to win.

    disagree, it wasn’t a tactic in the Revolution nor was it a tactic in the Civil War…..true, Sherman fought a total war and made the civilians suffer, but he didn’t kill families or children.

    Again, this will not be the standup fight that a lot of you guys think it will be, do you seriously think it will come to you and others of a like mind shooting it out with whatever power the feds throw at you? There are many many ways that the government can beat you to your knees without sending troops or cops to do it. They can seize your assets…bank accounts, saving accounts, IRA’s, credit cards….and starve you or freeze you and your family into submission, They can take your property through eminent domain and put you and your family on the street, or if they don’t have the patience for that…..they can just hit you with a drone strike. You will not get a shot off.

    If you choose to take out a politician’s or a media propagandist’s family as a legitimate target, then you make a target of your family and all of our families. That is not the smart way to do this. Yes we are a nation of riflemen but we are scattered far and wide and to consolidate in a reasonable amount of time to present a formidable front will take time and logistics and organization. Is anyone doing that?

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Sherman buried plenty of kids on his rampage. And the union boys wiped out more Indian camps to the last screaming child than we can count. And we killed tens of thousands of children when we specifically went after the population centers in Germany and Japan. The intended target was civilians, and that means kids. We sought out their kids and killed em. By “we” of course I mean the USA and the Allied in WWII. And the men that did it were given medals and commendations for killing those kids.

    And they deserved em by God.

    Again, this will not be the standup fight that a lot of you guys think it will be, do you seriously think it will come to you and others of a like mind shooting it out with whatever power the feds throw at you?

    It will be Yugoslavia on steroids. It will be the IRA taken to 11. It will be hell. There will be no uniforms, no battle lines. Infrastructure will be a target, crime will go insane, the markets will collapse, cities will have a very hard time getting food and water, it will be so awful that there will only be one thing on this earth that could possibly be worse – and that is living as a slave.

    If you choose to take out a politician’s or a media propagandist’s family as a legitimate target, then you make a target of your family and all of our families.

    They are all already targets. They are killing the children of the liberty minded already, just on a longer timeline. they are destroying their soul, rotting their minds, and ultimately, they mean to make them into slaves valued even below animals.

    The government stands no chance. The fiat money scam that feeds it will collapse. The cities and population centers that feed the beast will digest themselves once the infrastructure that makes them anything more than a deathtrap is severed.

    Drone strikes? $25,000 bucks per insurgent is an awful lot of money after your stock market has crashed. And it gets hard to be all worried about the insurgents once NYC is pitch black with sporadic water and sanitation.

    All that wonderful war machine you seem to think will grind the insurgents to dust will really fast become unmaintainable – due to cost, and the the fact that a very very small number of people can black out much of a city for a loooong long time.

    Bob Owens, Max Velocity, and the WRSA have been pointing this out for some time – and illustrating – one person with a hunting rifle could very easily black out most of Harlem, and it will stay black for a loooooong time. A team of people could put the entire city into lamp-light for the better part of a year.

    Take out a bridge while they are at it…

    The cute expensive toys don’t work very well when the totally undefendable infrastructure that supports finds itself the primary target of an insurgency, and your financial markets collapse.

    The beast needs food. The food will be taken away. The beast will ravage its population down the last plug nickel as it gasps for breath. When it finally dies, America will be a fragmented, warring, shell of itself, made of up city-states probably in a perpetual state of chaos, famine, and disease. Our enemies won’t let the opportunity and collapse of our society go unused, both abroad and possibly on our own shores.

    It’s going to be awful.

    I don’t believe it will be possible to put it back together again. I am supremely confident that it can be destroyed. The numbers ain’t on the government’s side – not even close.

    Now if you ask me… can something good come back from it all? Once it’s been torn down?

    I doubt it. But it’s happened twice before. Maybe God will allow it a third time. That fools hope is all we have left – any hope of elections, protests, legislators, and courts making this right is gone forever – we didn’t value our freedom enough when this could have been sorted out all gentlemen-like.

    If the patriot minded are not willing to fight to win, then it’s already over anyways. But I got a hunch they aim to do everything it takes, and them pray the sort of earnest prayer that somebody makes when they know they are screwed, and maybe, just maybe, God will save their ass… just one more time.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    It will be like a mixture of pain and war – Think IRA era Ireland in the islands of control the government has, Financial collapse era Argentina everywhere, most cities and towns will mimic Poorer South American counterparts and Mexico, as it stands (local level political corruption, unreliable utilities, rampant criminals etc.) In a select few of the wost places, where society has completely broken down, the picture will look like Yugoslavia – with uncontrolled madness and butchery going on everywhere.

    It will be hell on earth writ-large, and that is what it is going to take to win.

    I think people are going into this knowing exactly what to expect. Never seen a single person that thinks this fight is going to be anything but civilian population center based asymmetrical warfare, economic warfare, targeted killings, cyber warfare, burning of crops, forest fires, vandalism, and rampant destruction of the nation’s roads, power, water, and supply system.

    It will be horrible for everybody. And the word does not do a lick of justice to what’s coming.

    As Misha said in his declaration of war, to paraphrase, “the patriots will hate themselves when it’s over, and even the justice served as the liberty-lovers hang the last of the traitors will be nothing more than bitter ash in their mouths after all that will be lost, and the life destroying recollections of what had to be done to win.”

    It’s going to be rotten, and everybody that survives is going to hate themselves for the things they did. And the wreckage of the nation will be heartbreaking. And the end of the war will not be the end of the strife – not by a long-shot.

    It’s a damn shame we didn’t care more as a people 50 years ago, when this trajectory might have been altered.

    But here we are.

    Hell’s coming to dinner. And none of us are happy to see’im.

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    As I read into this more – It just get’s worse.

    It would appear that besides the “Obama Endorsement”, Now Michael Bloomberg has dumped a cool 2 Million Dollars into this woman’s election funding.

    Meanwhile an opponent, one Paul McKinley is struggling to be heard at any level. Interestingly enough Mr. McKinley is Black, and a conservative. The Chicago Tribune out right refused to host a debate between him and Ms. Kelly.
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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Hemp:

    Infrastructure will be a target, crime will go insane, the markets will collapse, cities will have a very hard time getting food and water…

    The government stands no chance. The fiat money scam that feeds it will collapse. The cities and population centers that feed the beast will digest themselves once the infrastructure that makes them anything more than a deathtrap is severed…

    All that wonderful war machine you seem to think will grind the insurgents to dust will really fast become unmaintainable – due to cost, and the the fact that a very very small number of people can black out much of a city for a loooong long time.

    Some wisdom there. It makes more sense than lamenting predicted atrocities. I wouldn’t care to try predicting much myself, but not all possibilities are equally ruinous. Free states may band together early on. The US military might disown DC. Above all–the opposition doesn’t really want to die for their beliefs. Iran/NoK could possibly do us a favor with a few nukes, though perhaps it’s too much to hope they’ll be limited to a few neutron bombs in the right places. :em03:

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    BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK) growls and barks:

    If it comes to war, then you wage war to win … not to be popular. I’ve never bought into the “hearts and minds” bullshit, and to the extent that notion ever had any merit, you can forget it in today’s world. One side has a complete lock on the “media” and therefore will always overhype any atrocities you commit and blame you for any atrocities they commit. Do you think for one moment that they will debate the merit of drone-striking your children and grandchildren’s schools, homes, parks? If you do, you’re a gottdamn fool.

    When it comes, our actions must be devastating and unflinching. IF the half-hearted rank and file of the enemy – who are just following orders – fear what we will do to them and theirs as much or MORE than they fear the punishment for “not following orders”, then the whole thing will end pretty damn quick.

    If, on the other hand, we’re playing by the Queensbury Rules … then you’re best investment is a shovel.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says:

    Sherman fought a total war and made the civilians suffer, but he didn’t kill families or children.

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    Sherman buried plenty of kids on his rampage.

    Whoa, Hemp. Back up the truck. I will admit to not being a voracious reader of all things Civil War, as Jaybear is, but nothing I have read, or seen, has supported that. Nearly everything is slanted in favor of the South. I’ve read that Sherman was insane, (when his strategy was actually brilliant, imo), and that he DID rape and pillage the land, and turned southerners out of their homes. If Sherman had been the murderer you portray him to be, historians would have been all over it…especially since it WAS Sherman.

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    Library Czar growls and barks:

    Stating the obvious but please don’t tell the establishment what we might do in the event of …. Its not going to be Gettysburg or Belleau Wood. But, don’t give the enemy any idea what could happen.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Hm….I did a post earlier. Did it disappear into the ether?

    Edit: The issue is with the spam filter, your posts have been restored, the filter was taken out to the woodshed, and soundly spanked.

    - Da Management

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    It will be like a mixture of pain and war – Think IRA era Ireland in the islands of control the government has, Financial collapse era Argentina everywhere, most cities and towns will mimic Poorer South American counterparts and Mexico, as it stands (local level political corruption, unreliable utilities, rampant criminals etc.) In a select few of the wost places, where society has completely broken down, the picture will look like Yugoslavia – with uncontrolled madness and butchery going on everywhere.

    It will be hell on earth writ-large, and that is what it is going to take to win.

    so what do we win in that scenario? is that what you want to inherit from the revolution? A Mad Max society?

    doesn’t sound much like a win to me

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    Sherman buried plenty of kids on his rampage. And the union boys wiped out more Indian camps to the last screaming child than we can count. And we killed tens of thousands of children when we specifically went after the population centers in Germany and Japan. The intended target was civilians, and that means kids. We sought out their kids and killed em. By “we” of course I mean the USA and the Allied in WWII. And the men that did it were given medals and commendations for killing those kids.

    And they deserved em by God.

    and it was not Sherman’s or Grant’s doctrine to target civilians…..by taking the war to the civil population, Sherman sought to eradicate their ability to support the war effort, hence the taking of livestock and burning of crops. They did not go in with the intent of killing kids.

    Different scenario in World War II, population centers were bombed as part of a total war doctrine authored by Arthur “Bomber” Harris, partly out of revenge for German bomber and V1 and V2 attacks on British civilian centers and partly to take the support for the war out of the Germans.

    and yes, I believe that was justified….given what the Nazis were doing to the “non-Aryans” in their country.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    so what do we win in that scenario? is that what you want to inherit from the revolution? A Mad Max society? doesn’t sound much like a win to me

    You will find that I have never said it would be “much” of a win. Not once. Every single time I’ve broached the subject, I’ve said a complete societal breakdown is what we have to look forward to. And it will stay that way for decades, if not longer. And we’ll be a 3rd world nation when we finally do crawl out of it.

    Thing is, there is one thing worse than all of that.

    Slavery.

    I believe that was justified….given what the Nazis were doing to the “non-Aryans” in their country.

    Given the evil intent and inevitable destination of the Prog-Nazis, (i.e. a North-Korea-like Nation), there are more than enough people who’d say the same is justified towards them.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    You will find that I have never said it would be “much” of a win. Not once. Every single time I’ve broached the subject, I’ve said a complete societal breakdown is what we have to look forward to. And it will stay that way for decades, if not longer. And we’ll be a 3rd world nation when we finally do crawl out of it.

    Thing is, there is one thing worse than all of that.

    Slavery.

    not sure I see much of a difference between the two. We tear this country apart and make it a Fallujah on a continental scale, then it opens the door for China or Russia or even Mexico or the islamists to walk right in and enslave us…..there are ways to win this without tearing the entire country down.

    it starts with control of the media, and a purge of the political structure…..if the latter is done through the ballot box or a coup then the result will be the same.

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    Given the evil intent and inevitable destination of the Prog-Nazis, (i.e. a North-Korea-like Nation), there are more than enough people who’d say the same is justified towards them.

    that’s something like 30 – 50 million people in this country, the way you defeat them is defeat their ideaology, that can be done by exposing the spokesmen as the hypocrites and liars and slavemasters that they are, you cannot go around hanging prog-nazis from lamp posts….. there is no way you can eliminate that many people……read Mein Kampf, that’s what is advocated there.

    however, if THEY start doing things like that….then all options are on the table and we respond in kind. But let them make the first move, it’s bad for their PR

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Stating the obvious but please don’t tell the establishment what we might do in the event of …. Its not going to be Gettysburg or Belleau Wood. But, don’t give the enemy any idea what could happen.

    They already know what’s going to be targeted. There are quite a few very smart and talented fellas and gals working for the 3-letter agencies that can take a look at a map, and say: “What would I hit?”

    The problem for them is the size and scope of what they have to try and protect. They could not do this with a 10,000,.000 man army. Everything changes when it’s a home-grown insurgency that blends in and focuses on targeted strikes, cyber-attacks, and infrastructure hits. To much to hold together, and the “dependency” society they’ve been working to create with all their power will be their undoing when the money, water, and electricity that feed it stop.

    Very… very… very quickly .Gov is going to have bigger problems than the freedom movement…

    I know as fact those smart guys and gals in the three-letter agencies are screaming at the top of their lungs for the fed-goons to back off. Begging, pleading. Trying to give them the numbers in a way they can understand them. And they are being written off, punished, “retired” and ignored for their trouble.

    Statists will be damned before they let stupid numbers,charts and math get in the way of the perfect Utopia they intend for us all – Reality can go to hell they will MAKE the reality they want. And they really honestly believe (not the smart people at .Gov remember…), The Napalitano’s and the Holders and the Obama’s – they really honestly believe they can keep a lid on it all. They think they can pull a few WACO’s and toss a few example in the Federal Pen, and the sheep will settle down. They will NOT listen to their own advisers and consultants who are SHRIEKING that this isn’t how it will go down. Guys and girls that just spent most of a decade watching the opposite happen in Afghanistan.

    Nothing is going to get in the way of their agenda.

    Not even reality.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    it starts with control of the media, and a purge of the political structure…..if the latter is done through the ballot box or a coup then the result will be the same.

    50% of the population and growing by the day is hooked forever on the government dole. Even the Republican party is nothing more than a pro-statist, pro-hand-out organization now. There will be no solutions that come from the ballot box. Between the perpetual cheating, and the massive entitlement society or government has constructed, the best the conservative will ever be able to do is worthless mush-bags like Romney – who rather than becoming aggressive, will be content to try and manage the decline of our freedom “better” than the Prog-nazis.

    Generals are politicians appointed by politicians. I won’t b holding my breath or my trigger finger praying for them to change us, nor would I be overly optimistic about being dependent on their good graces.

    that’s something like 30 – 50 million people in this country, the way you defeat them is defeat their ideaology, that can be done by exposing the spokesmen as the hypocrites and liars and slavemasters that they are,

    The Gramsican march through the institutions has left us without a voice. Literature, Politics, Media, Science, Education, and much of Religion has been tainted to the core by the ideology. We can watch helplessly while they slowly corrupt the minds and souls of our children or we can fight.

    Only a fool walks into the casino blackjack table thinking they will take the house. This entire system has been stacked against us. There are no peaceful alternative here that doesn’t end in chains.

    you cannot go around hanging prog-nazis from lamp posts….. there is no way you can eliminate that many people……read Mein Kampf, that’s what is advocated there.

    The patriots don’t have to kill them all. They will kill most of themselves once the lights go out.

    Now I am all ears if people have alternate tactics or strategies that result in victory. I ain’t particularly keen on living in post-collapse Argentina only poorer, but I am a lot less keen on watching my grand-nieces and nephews get turned into serfs. Life may be nasty and dirty and short after the system gets torn down, but at least it leaves the possibility of freedom.

    And this hearts and minds bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. If those assholes fighting on for the enemy ain’t terrified for their family back home, then you are doing this whole “war” thing wrong. This “hearts and minds” bean-counting bullshit, fighting with one hand tied behind one’s back has resulted in defeat, after defeat, after defeat after defeat. If there is enough reason to go to war, then you wage a war of eradication. If there is not enough justification to wipe them out down to the last lamenting woman, then you ain’t justified in pointing a weapon in anger at a people.

    It’s no different than defending yourself with a CCW – unless the situation calls for you taking a life, that weapon better stay put.

    There is either justification to take them, and all their supporters out, using any means necessary to do so, or there is not enough reason to go to war. War is the second worst word in language for a reason.

    Second only to “slavery.”

    Sitting placidly hoping that a system deliberately rigged to destroy the patriots is going to somehow vomit forth liberty is in my way of viewing things whimsical fantasy nonsense or the equivocations of those too frightened to lay their life, wealth, possessions and honor on the line.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    BigDogg:

    One side has a complete lock on the “media”…

    Not anymore! :em01:

    Jaybear:

    Different scenario in World War II, population centers were bombed as part of a total war doctrine authored by Arthur “Bomber” Harris…

    Back then “collateral damage” was routine & hard to avoid anyway–especially in the nighttime raids the RAF preferred.

    Hemp:

    Very… very… very quickly .Gov is going to have bigger problems than the freedom movement…

    Statists will be damned before they let stupid numbers,charts and math get in the way of the perfect Utopia they intend for us all…

    Nothing is going to get in the way of their agenda.

    Not even reality.

    To twist a famous Lenin quote: Statism contains the seeds of its own destruction.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Message to “Establishment Republicans:”

    You’ve compromised God out of the public square; you’ve compromised on education where high school graduates can’t even spell their own names; you’ve compromised on immigration where we no longer have borders, and people entering our country illegally are running us broke using up public services; you’ve compromised on tax increases that are causing hard working people to suffer and sacrifice so that do-nothings can stay on the public dole; you’ve compromised our culture into the cesspool, and you’ve compromised us right into the economic dung heap we’re all stuck in.

    HAVEN’T YOU FUCKING MORONS FIGURED OUT YET THAT EVERY TIME YOU COMPROMISE WITH COM MUN ISTS, AMERICANS LOSE?

    It is either time for a dramatic change in the Republican Party or it it is time for a new party.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    There is either justification to take them, and all their supporters out, using any means necessary to do so, or there is not enough reason to go to war. War is the second worst word in language for a reason.

    Second only to “slavery.”

    :em01:

    Well said, sir. Well said. Better to live by the “dangerous liberty” that Jefferson spoke of, rather than peaceful slavery.
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    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    And this hearts and minds bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. If those assholes fighting on for the enemy ain’t terrified for their family back home, then you are doing this whole “war” thing wrong. This “hearts and minds” bean-counting bullshit, fighting with one hand tied behind one’s back has resulted in defeat, after defeat, after defeat after defeat. If there is enough reason to go to war, then you wage a war of eradication. If there is not enough justification to wipe them out down to the last lamenting woman, then you ain’t justified in pointing a weapon in anger at a people.

    I’m not advocating hearts and minds at all….I consider that bullshit as well and it has gotten us into all the trouble we are currently in in the MIddle East. What I AM advocating is controlling how the battle is fought and how the story is told. If you and the rest of the folk here clamoring for hanging politicians from lampposts and shooting their families and marching on Washington are serious about your plans…..well you better figure out how you are going to do that. I hear lots of talk, but no planning on how you intend to carry out this revolution. If the talk makes you feel better about things then keep talking away, and remember that you are being watched.

    I get tired of saying this, but control of information will be key in the battle to come…..not just charging in and shooting anchors and media propagandists, but controlling what gets disseminated. If that entails taking down transmission towers and knocking stations off the air then let’s do that, think about different modes of communication….shortwave, CB, flyers, posters, graffiti….whatever it takes, but control the message or we will not win. You start knocking off politicians and….God forbid….their children, how do you think you will be portrayed? as a freedom fighter and patriot? or as a right wing zealot racist? and what good does that do our cause?

    Christ almighty, I can’t believe you all can’t see that.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    well you better figure out how you are going to do that.

    People see it. And they know they’re being watched… which is exactly why they are mum on the sorts of specifics you are speaking of in paragraph 2.

    Christ almighty, I can’t believe you all can’t see that.

    People see plenty. You are correct about communications and a good logistical foundation being key. Anything to be carried out has to be the result of planning, preparation, and practice. Read up on the WRSA and others speaking of the “auxiliary” – i.e. the most critical factor.

    Open forums like this, crawled constantly by the force of Mordor is not the place for such talk. This is a place for saber-rattling, spreading ideas, bolstering will, and educating. Which is why even those that disagree with you should still carefully read what you write.

    Much glittering gold to be found.

    As for publicity, the patriots will be blamed for the most awful of things, even if Juggears Hussein has to march out and shoot the victims personally. The best to hope for is that the media is scared into silence. Even the conservative media outlets will be against the revolutionaries until it looks absolutely clear that the Leviathan is about to die.

    Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, and so many others will be on the radio every day talking about how to best get the military to kill the patriots. Glenn, Pat, and Stew will not be on the liberty lover’s side, no matter how much the patriots handicap themselves in tactics and targets. Rand Paul will be calling for their deaths by drone. The Republicans will be a thorn in the blight Bringer’s side – only because they will think they can run the war better. They will all still fight to the bitter end to maintain their POWER.

    Look not to the media for solace – they fear Leviathan too much, and/or hate liberty too much – they are too easy to reach to dare speak a word of the truth – not until it’s all but over.

    Trying to appease the liars in the press is the same foolishness that the Republicans fall for again and again as they collapse into nothingness. It’s battered wife syndrome. writ large. The media don’t love you, no matter how many times they’ve hit you. Appeasing them is foolishness, for they do not want to like you, and they never will – they hate you, and want you dead.

    Winter soldiers, summer patriots.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Hemp:

    Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, and so many others will be on the radio every day talking about how to best get the military to kill the patriots. Glenn, Pat, and Stew will not be on the liberty lover’s side, no matter how much the patriots handicap themselves in tactics and targets. Rand Paul will be calling for their deaths by drone.

    Your optimism leaves us all cheering. :em04:

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    “true, Sherman fought a total war and made the civilians suffer, but he didn’t kill families or children.”

    Perhaps not directly, but, much like the burning of the Shenandoah, the resulting privations did a fine number on families, including children. Governments *LOVE* to use starvation as a weapon. Take a lot at what the daily calorie rations were for German/Japanese civilians during 1944-45, for example. Look at what happened in Holland in ’44-45, too.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    “by taking the war to the civil population, Sherman sought to eradicate their ability to support the war effort, hence the taking of livestock and burning of crops. They did not go in with the intent of killing kids.”

    That’s a weak argument at best – the results were totally foreseeable.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    “that’s something like 30 – 50 million people in this country…there is no way you can eliminate that many people”

    I respectfully disagree.
    -Mao Tse Tung

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    Hey! I think I won a “FOIST” here.

    This has got to be the all time Rottie record: for a thread going completely and utterly off the rails in – one comment.

    DAYUM !!

    Seriously….It’s all good folks – I am enjoying the back and forth – just never saw a post go off the rails quite that fast or that far…Geee…was it something I said – my musing’s that boring? :em03: :em05:

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:
    “that’s something like 30 – 50 million people in this country…there is no way you can eliminate that many people”
    I respectfully disagree.
    -Mao Tse Tung

    I second that. Joe Stalin

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    Fa Cube Itches says:

    I respectfully disagree.
    -Mao Tse Tung

    well, if you want to equate us patriots and our revolution with Mao, then that’s your call. I personally find that offensive

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    Fa Cube Itches says:

    That’s a weak argument at best – the results were totally foreseeable.

    and I’m not going to re-fight the Civil War here, No one foresaw the slave refugees that would join Sherman’s column as he marched to the sea….and no knew the absolute pathetic condition of the Southern countryside after three years of war. He had an army to feed and they had to live off the countryside. They did NOT go in with the intent of killing civilians.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    The homes, property, and food stocks of the civilians were the target, and when you destroy those, the civilians die. And you kill a hell of a lot of them in the act.

    The civilians were not just “a” target – they were specifically the target. Sherman was no idiot. When you take away a people’s sustenance and shelter they die from it, he knew damn well it would happen en-mass, and he needed it to happen otherwise the local level “auxiliary” would have kept supplying the south for civil war without end.

    What happened was awful.

    And it worked.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    “They did NOT go in with the intent of killing civilians.”

    Intent doesn’t matter when the results are foreseeable. Adults are presumed to understand the likely consequences of their actions – it’s one of the central foundations of the Western law. Spray bullets into a crowd of people. At your subsequent trial, center your defense on “I didn’t intend to shoot anyone.” Guzzle a fifth of whiskey and drive 100mph down a crowded street. Argue that you didn’t intend to harm anyone. Mistreat a pit bull, shoot it up with growth hormones, and let it lose into a kindergarten playground at recess. Argue that you didn’t intend to hurt anyone. Stuff like that is known as “willful and wanton conduct,” “depraved indifference,” etc., and it is the legal equivalent of intent.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:

    When you take away a people’s sustenance and shelter they die from it, he knew damn well it would happen en-mass, and he needed it to happen otherwise the local level “auxiliary” would have kept supplying the south for civil war without end.

    Worked pretty well with the Plains Indians, too. Kill enough buffalo, and oddly enough, the Indians who depend on them for food, clothing, and shelter suddenly get a lot more pliable.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    well, if you want to equate us patriots and our revolution with Mao, then that’s your call. I personally find that offensive

    Show me where I did. You said that “there is no way you can eliminate” “something like 30 – 50 million people”. I merely provided an historical counterexample where that very number were, in fact, eliminated.

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    I truly hate to say this, but I’m in almost perfect harmony with Hemp’s position. I don’t want to agree, but I must. The line from Golda Meier was probably the truest thing in condensation of war to exist: “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” There are several more here, but who knows better than them? What caused the Japanese surrender in WWII? What happened in Germany, Dresden and Hamburg. The terror and the death in those places caused the war to end. It need not be that way if they’ll just realize it can go that far. And every act required prior to any attempt to create those must be with the message “We don’t want to be doing this, we want to stop doing these things, leave us alone and we will”.
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    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Show me where I did

    it was said by others……that our opponents families were targets.

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician says:

    I truly hate to say this, but I’m in almost perfect harmony with Hemp’s position. I don’t want to agree, but I must. The line from Golda Meier was probably the truest thing in condensation of war to exist: “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” There are several more here, but who knows better than them? What caused the Japanese surrender in WWII? What happened in Germany, Dresden and Hamburg. The terror and the death in those places caused the war to end.

    and why didn’t it work in Amsterdam or Warsaw or Stalingrad or Leningrad or Manila or any of a number of places where total destruction was the strategy? yes, you can subdue a people with actions like that, but unless you replace it with a system that is better than what they were living under then you are bound to lose. We rebuilt and fed Japan and Germany, they have a better way of life today because of that, and they are our allies.

    if, as has been posted here, we turn this country into a third world shit hole as a result of our uprising….do you really think we will win?
    think of what we inherit if that happens.

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    bruce growls and barks:

    during the revolution the tories did attack the homes and families of patriots,who in turn attacked their homes and families.it was the reason that the tories had to flee or face death at the hands of their neighbors.we were fighting a civil war and a revolution at the same time.you can be sure that bongo will have no problem murdering your families right along with you just like clinton did at waco and ruby ridge.the government controlled media will blame the victim as people who deserved to be killed and that is when we start killing journljismists.i have never had a problem pulling the trigger on any one who threatens me or my family but i am old and would not last very long.i am prepared for any thing because my wife and i have bought land,guns,gold coins and food.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    “and why didn’t it work in Amsterdam or Warsaw or Stalingrad or Leningrad or Manila or any of a number of places where total destruction was the strategy?”

    Amerstdam – Holland surrendered to Germany, 1940.
    Warsaw – Poland surrendered to Germany, 1939.
    Stalingrad/Leningrad – could not be encircled, not captured. Because of massive Soviet population, they were able to withstand losses of nearly 2 million in each battle. Few other nations could manage that.
    Manila – Philippines surrendered to Japan, 1942.

    Worked fine for the Mongols at Baghdad, Kiev; worked fine for Russians in Berlin, worked for Americans at Hiroshima/Nagasaki, worked for Crusaders at Jerusalem, worked for the Romans at Carthage, worked for the British in South Africa (of course, the Brits didn’t intend to slaughter the Boers in the concentration camps, so theirs is an accidental success, I guess.)

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    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Amerstdam – Holland surrendered to Germany, 1940.
    Warsaw – Poland surrendered to Germany, 1939.
    Stalingrad/Leningrad – could not be encircled, not captured. Because of massive Soviet population, they were able to withstand losses of nearly 2 million in each battle. Few other nations could manage that.
    Manila – Philippines surrendered to Japan, 1942.

    there was active resistance in all those places, they did not surrender wholly.

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:

    It will be Yugoslavia on steroids. It will be the IRA taken to 11.

    Give them what they want – what they’ve wanted from us all along (the reason they’ve kept McVeigh alive in the hearts&minds of their viewing public) – and what it will more likely be is Grozny on steroids.

    – MD

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

    there was active resistance in all those places, they did not surrender wholly.

    Few places ever surrender wholly unless the entire population is put to the sword or enslaved and scattered to the winds – or presented with the knowledege that that fate is an absolute certainty. Resistance was pretty effectively ended in Oradur sur Glane, for example. Even among places that resist, most “active resistance” is piddling bullshit that amounts to less than a fart in a hurricane.


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