Is this at the border of each US state?

Watched this Youtube video and wondering where and how this is happening.

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  1. 1
    Orion growls and barks:

    Anyone wanna bet that he’s gonna get busted for some other charge and very likely shot while ‘resisting arrest’ – by accident, of course – sometime in the next year?

    Orion

  2. 2

    Something tells me this is an excellent possibility of where the shit may well start. :em03:
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  3. 3
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Are these positioned on highways anywhere or restricted to areas near borders? Where do these people get off telling a person to leave a state and under what laws?

    There was little info on these….so, more details anyone?

  4. 4
    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    It is all for YOUR benefit, citizen. Do not question your betters. We only have your best interest at heart.

    - Your Friendly Neighborhood NSA Operative

  5. 5
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Can anyone please shed more light on this?

  6. 6
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    yay random DHS checkpoints!

    PAPIEREN, BITTE!

    (If this had been under the previous administration, we’d be seeing these vids on the MSM and hearing how RAAAASCIST it is and how Bush=Hitler. Instead, we get ZIP.)

  7. 7
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    What part of “Am I being detained” do these green-shirted jackboots not understand?

  8. 8
    LC Mike in Chi growls and barks:

    Don’t know much at all about the border Stasi, Brendan.
    Here in Chicago, the Count of Cook, Ill, the local gendarmes wouldn’t put up with that lippy behavior for long.
    Just cause or just ’cause, you’ll be on Dash-cam TV with your pockets pulled inside out and your balance checked either standing or prone.

  9. 9
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    It looks like some of these are the ‘border inspection’ stations that are scattered randomly all over the southwest… I know there is one on the 10 freeway in CA- about 150 miles from the border. Of course, that one is billed as a “Agricultural Inspection Station” and they want to know what plants you have….

  10. 10
    bruce growls and barks:

    does any one not believe that these nazi would not kick in your door in the middle of the night and murder you?

  11. 11
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    I believe one of the checkpoints is between Californication and Arizona. Neither state wants any agricultural pests imported from the other, such as Mediterranean Fruit Flies. So, that one I can understand. If that travelor wants to proceed unhindered, then they need to leave their possibly infected fruit and/or vegetables at the state line. Those checkpoints have been in place for at least 45 years. The rest of them are as much bullshit as TSA groping babies and grannies at the airport.

  12. 12
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    But asking if you are a citizen?

    WTF does that have to do with anything.

  13. 13
    LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd growls and barks:

    Can anyone please shed more light on this?

    http://www.aclu.org/national-security_technology-and-liberty/are-you-living-constitution-free-zone

    http://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/my-rights-at-checkpoints/

    For commission to memory:

    “On advice of council, I do not consent to searches of my person or property.”
    “Am I being detained? Let me know when I am free to leave.”
    “On advice of council, I have nothing further to say to you.”

    (It was suggested to me by an attorney to include the phrase “on advice of council…” This heads off the expected “Why won’t you answer my questions/let me take a look inside your vehicle?” reply from an officer.)

  14. 14
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Stand your ground, and hope the don’t have a “warrant on a leash” with them.

  15. 15
    SoCalOilMan, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    Those “Agriculture Inspection Stations” between Kalifonia and Arizona were originally set up to keep the Okies out in the 30′s. I have been going through them for over 30 years and 99% of the time, it’s just a wave through. The others I roll down my window and listen to their spiel on fruits and vegetables and answer “No sir/ma’am” and I’m on my way. (I use sir/ma’am in a lot of interactions. Everyone from LEO’s, bosses, to the clerks at my gas station, depends on how well I know the person)

    That said, these random checkpoints set up 50 to 100 miles from the border kinda tells me the border may not be as well protected as Nappy keeps telling us…and NO! they are not going to get information/papers from me inside my own country.

  16. 16

    Try the one between Las Cruces and Alamogordo on US 70.
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  17. 17

    Right around 60 miles north of the border coming up from El Paso.
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  18. 18
    SoCalOilMan, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    I’m heading to Az in about 30 minutes. If I have any problems getting home on Monday I’ll let y’all know.

  19. 19
    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Geheimstatspolizzi ist sheissgieladen, ya?

  20. 20
    LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd growls and barks:

    We’ve been driving through California “bug stations” since I was a child. Having local plates, I’ve never been stopped. Most of the time they wave us through.

    An item for consideration: There is a time to confront and assert your rights and a time to become “the gray man.”

    Meter readers, appliance repairmen, religious solicitors, cab drivers and the like surround us daily, yet are given scant notice, if at all. Far better to be the invisible local delivery driver than the civil liberties firebrand when transporting your cargo of cigarettes and 32 ounce cups through the “traffic safety checkpoint” into NYC.

    Just sayin’.

  21. 21
    BigDogg growls and barks:

    I’m wondering if there’s any of these within about 200-300 yards from heavy cover.

  22. 22
    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd @ #13:

    Why do you wnat to look in my vehicle?, Why do you want to know? What is the Problem Officer. Do you have probable cause?
    Or maybe the proactive approach – Why am I being detained? He tells you are nootbeing detained. And you are authorized to continue on.

    I was taught Name, Rank, Serial Number, Date of Birth, and STFU.

  23. 23
    Lockpick growls and barks:

    They have these on the California highways just north of San Diego. I have been waved through the few times I drove back and forth from LA to San Diego. I don’t live there, just have to go there once every 5 years or so.

    This is around the area where they have posted the big yellow, diamond shaped signs to warning of illegals crossing the road. Every illegal heading north knows where these checkpoints are located. The Mexican government marks them on the “immigration” maps that is passed out just south of the border.

  24. 24
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Lack of provenance is, of course, suspicious. Have to wonder why this/these driver(s) want(s) to be such a hero, particularly since (at the risk of sounding like the Imperial Contradictor) driving anonymously isn’t so easy & this type of “resistance” will make you stand out pretty fast. Besides, we’ve definitely received the impression that the Border Patrol is more victim than perp.

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    Rain growls and barks:

    There’s a BP station between where I live and Tucson here in AZ. I’ve never had to answer more than “Is there anyone else in the vehicle with you?”. Normally they take a look at me and wave me on. I travel through this station about every 2 months or so, on my way up to I-10 and Tucson. (I guess being blonde with blue eyes and Arizona plates helps)

  26. 26
    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Meanwhile in Texas, a nice big hearty FUCK YOU.

    On March 7, 2013, State Representative James White filed House Concurrent Resolution 77. The text of the bill is as follows:

    WHEREAS, The Republic of Texas existed as an independent nation for nine years, and when it accepted admission to the Union in 1845, it remained a free and independent state subject only to the United States Constitution; and
    WHEREAS, The United States Congress has passed laws requiring Texas to make expenditures that are unfunded by the federal government, which is a violation of the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; moreover, the federal government has caused the intentional devaluation of its currency through its reckless spending and borrowing, and this threatens the economic stability of Texas; and
    WHEREAS, The United States government has allowed the use of its authority, credit, and goodwill for the benefit of private and foreign concerns in violation of its own constitution; in addition, its repeated failure to guard the border between Texas and Mexico has forced the state to spend vast sums in order to protect its citizens; and
    WHEREAS, The federal government has further implemented thousands of laws, mandates, and agencies in violation of the United States Constitution and of the sovereignty of the State of Texas; and
    WHEREAS, Section 1, Article I, Texas Constitution, states that “the perpetuity of the Union depend[s] upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States”; Section 2, Article I, declares, “All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient”; now, therefore, be it
    RESOLVED, That the 83rd Legislature of the State of Texas hereby reaffirm the state’s sovereignty under the Texas Constitution and the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and, be it further
    RESOLVED, That the Texas secretary of state forward official copies of this resolution to the president of the United States, to the president of the Senate and the speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States Congress, and to all the members of the Texas delegation to Congress with the request that this resolution be officially entered in the Congressional Record as a memorial to the Congress of the United States of America.

    And I’ve been hearing about random road blocks by the thugs in Tennessee.

  27. 27
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Lack of provenance is, of course, suspicious. Have to wonder why this/these driver(s) want(s) to be such a hero, particularly since (at the risk of sounding like the Imperial Contradictor) driving anonymously isn’t so easy & this type of “resistance” will make you stand out pretty fast. Besides, we’ve definitely received the impression that the Border Patrol is more victim than perp.

    “Are you a US citizen”
    “Move over there we need to search your car”

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

  28. 28

    About 90 miles north of the border in Texas. It’s a US Border Patrol checkpoint intended to help reduce the flow of illegal aliens into the country. I’ve sailed through them without issues countless times. The question “are you a US citizen” is the same question you’re asked upon entering the country at the border, and if you answer “yes” and don’t hassle the guy doing his job, you’re usually on your way in under a minute.

    The driver of the vehicle is no doubt a Liberal who thinks that having countless “undocumented immigrants” in the country is a good thing, and who whines about any type of border security.
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  29. 29
    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E. says:

    The driver of the vehicle is no doubt a Liberal who thinks that having countless “undocumented immigrants” in the country is a good thing, and who whines about any type of border security.

    Most likely, however I must say I now carry a small video recorder with me in the car for when a “Yes Sir/No Sir” answer and a pleasant attitude isn’t enough. I’ve only had to pull it out once with the statement “I think I will record the rest of this encounter sir”….. and it worked like a dream.

    Most of the time I get along great with LEO’s, even when they nab me for speeding. Last time that happened I realized as the officer was at my back bumper that my new insurance card was in the center console under a loaded pistol. With the window down, hands gripping the wheel and all other relevant cards in my fingers I explained the situation to the nice officer and asked him how he wanted me to proceed. He asked me if I would slowly hand him the pistol handle first so he
    could put it on top of the car….. which I did and then we had a great conversation about the new S&W Shield and what I thought about it/if it would be a good gun for his wife. He ended up telling me to watch the speed and check out the surplus store down the road.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    I see an angry libertarian more than a moonbat. Moonbats tend to be boot-licking cowards when you catch them out of a herd Sir M. A libertarian will get in the face of the unjust, consequences be damned.

    Speaking personally, I don’t give fucking papers to nobody that ain’t legally entitled to them inside the borders of my own country. And I don’t answer questions to Obama-bots with faux badges. And fuck any Nazi bastard that asks me – OATH BREAKER I say to them. Yes, it helps that I have far more than your average layperson’s understanding of the law, and I know exactly how far I can push without-ending up in a cage.

    Here is the tip – DHS goons – away from the border – need your permission to do shit. They are sub-human trash culled from the chronically unemployable, and given some small measure of power by communist cock-suckers creating shit-ball make-work programs in exchange for their votes – and they will get every chunk of respect they have coming.

    REAL law enforcement is another matter. If the FBI, Federal Marchall, Cops or a Deputy says “pull over into lane 2″ – do it unless you’d like to spend the weekend in jail. Or get shot. Don’t give them permission to get in your car, and don’t give them anything more than they are entitle to ask for – name, registration, ID, insurance. If they ask, no, they cannot search you or your vehicle. If they are cranky, they will bring in a dog or magically smell pot, and rip your car apart anyways – nothing you can do but keep your mouth shut – it’s still very possible your council will get any contraband tossed. Dash cams and phone cams help. Make sure you have one of the dozens of apps that record to a remote location.

    And get ready to spend plenty of money. If you fight, you will beat most charges unless you were caught doing the shit on video or admit to it. But our system is arranged so that the RIDE is the real penalty. You’ll beat the rap – not the journey.

    DHS clowns? Unless you are on the border, fuck them. They have every bit of harassment they get coming. I don’t respond kindly to “Papers Please” in America. There ware ways to make the Illegals ship off on their OWN without creating a Goddamned police state here.

  31. 31

    Good evening, slackers!

    I see I still have an account here. Misha said something to the effect that he will NEVER delete it, so I guess I can drive by once in a while and say, “howdy”.

    Brendon, this video is about ten years old, and no, it doesn’t happen at the borders of ANY state I have ever driven across. In fact, I have NEVER been stopped in such a manner, not even in one of those DUI emphasis things. Yeah, I know that the video says it was posted on February 24th of this year, but if you look you will find the older original version of it.

    Perhaps I am lucky. I barely get stopped crossing the US/Canadian border, although lately I usually take the train. When I travel to other countries — and I do a fair amount of that lately, I usually breeze though customs with barely a question or two. (must be my honest mug)

    I know that it is vogue to think that the government is “out to get you” or something like that, but as I mentioned to someone a little while ago, after 67 years on this planet, I cannot once think of one damn thing where I have been restricted from doing something that I have ALWAYS been able to do — and i have done some things that most of you would NEVER have considered doing.

    But it certainly doesn’t stop the fear mongering that I keep hearing about.

    Raise your hands if you REALLY think Obama is going to make an attempt to “grab your guns”. Raise your hands if you think this Congress can get together and pass ANY kind of “gun control” legislation. (remember, this is a Congress that can’t even agree when to go to lunch.)

    Sure, there is a LOT of talk. A lot of meaningless chest-beating. We even have Senator Rand standing up and filibustering for almost thirteen hours over something that Congress can EASILY fix but never will.

    I will bet you dollars to donuts that MOST members of Congress would allow the Patriot Act AND the National Defense Authorization Act to be repealed today if it weren’t for the major divide between the two parties. And yes, they SHOULD be repealed, BTW, because the idea that ceding Congressional power to the Executive IS unconstitutional. Rand Paul IS correct on that. The Constitution IS VERY CLEAR as to the duties of each branch of government, and since 9/11 we’ve lost our way when it comes to the NDAA and the Patriot Act I and II.

    Not wanting to appear like “I told ya so”, but I do recall saying a few years ago here that just wait until a DEMOCRAT becomes president, and you will be singing a different song. Well here we are and the song has changed — and you STILL can’t carry a tune.

    Okay, I am done. This is my drive-by comment for the month or two.

    See ya! Come visit my Facebook page for some laughs.
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  32. 32
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Imperial Sound Engineer @ #:

    I KNEW he couldnt stay away !!!!! :em05: :em05: :em05: :em05:

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan @ #:

    I must say I now carry a small video recorder with me in the car for when a “Yes Sir/No Sir” answer and a pleasant attitude isn’t enough. I’ve only had to pull it out once with the statement “I think I will record the rest of this encounter sir”….. and it worked like a dream.

    Be sure to learn the law of any jurisdiction where you might need to use the camera. It’s a crime in many places to film an Only One – in some cases, it’s a felony.

    The following can be useful, too:

    1. In an interaction with a LEO, ask if it is “An encounter, a stop, or an arrest” – your rights (as established by the courts) differ in each circumstance.
    2. If arrested: (1) demand to know the charge(s); (2) demand an attorney; (3) demand to be brought before a magistrate.

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    Clef growls and barks:

    Yeah, I smell a libertarian more than a lefty there, but I’ve also known libertarians who are SO liberation they are borderline anarchist.

    However I’m kind of surprised by the reactions here. Those are border patrol agents, not jackbooted political thugs. They’re on OUR side.

    There is a difference between someone catching wrongdoing via hidden camera and someone who is clearly and needlessly trying to provoke shit. He probably hoped to get beaten and arrested to create a firestorm video like the Rodney King one. If that is the case, why target the border patrol?

    As conservatives, we champion the cause of securing our borders and arresting those who are here illegally. Now you want to support the heckling of those who actually have to go out and DO THAT?

  35. 35
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Raise your hands if you think this Congress can get together and pass ANY kind of “gun control” legislation. (remember, this is a Congress that can’t even agree when to go to lunch.)

    1. First and foremost Deej, thanks HEAPS for the details, i didnt know this was that old, was puzzled by the lack of links or other information but it seemed recent. Now it makes sense.

    2. The old assault weapons ban did exist previously….did you mean this specific Congress?

    Thanks

  36. 36
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    So let me get this right…

    Stopping EVERYONE is a better solution than ‘profiling’?

    When the government’s boot is at your throat, whether it is the left boot or the right boot does not matter.

  37. 37

    LC Gladiator says:

    I KNEW he couldnt stay away !!!!!

    I actually just got to my email yesterday and found one from Misha telling me that he will NOT remove my account. (note to self: respond to Misha this weekend….)

    LCBrendan says:

    2. The old assault weapons ban did exist previously….did you mean this specific Congress?

    Yes, I do mean this particular Congress.

    The Congress that existed in the early 1990s does not exist now. It is too polarized to agree on anything. We are starting the “Gilded Age Part Deux because hey, we never really learned our lesson from the original.

    It was bound to happen. When you don’t know history, you are bound to repeat it — or something like that.

    So we get to spend a decade or so with ineffectual “leadership”, and go through a worldwide economic stagnation before we pull our collective heads out of our asses or we end up in another World War. (I am guessing on the later)

    I swear, someone must put something on this site — it is like crack….
    :em05:
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  38. 38
    LC Robohobo growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches @ #:

    If arrested: (1) demand to know the charge(s); (2) demand an attorney; (3) demand to be brought before a magistrate.

    Not quite. If arrested they will Miranda you.

    You have the right to remain silent.
    Anything you say or do may be used against you in a court of law.
    You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future.
    If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning, if you wish.
    If you decide to answer any questions now, without an attorney present, you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney.
    Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?

    Then invoke the 2nd line and STFU.

    Listen to this: Don’t Talk To The Police

    The video of the “resistors” is just stupid and asking for trouble. It is not the time or place to be a lone wolf.

  39. 39
    Pengor growls and barks:

    The government has no business conducting these checks 20 – 30 miles north of the border. I don’t know the motivation of the guy filming this, but what he is doing is needed. I don’t buy that we as conservatives have to do anything to help these illegal searches. Just as they are trying to condition us to accept this, we need to condition them to the fact that not all of us are willing to live in a police state. The different reactions were very educational. The pros let him go. You could tell some of them would have “taught him a lesson” if they could have gotten away with it. I think the woman would have shot him. How dare this peasant question us mighty agents? As to helping them do their job, I would be more than happy to direct them to the actual border.

  40. 40
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Yes, I do mean this particular Congress.

    Translation: “We are not trying to take away your guns you paranoid crazies!!! We are just trying to enact some “sensible” firearm regulations that will neuter them and see to it they virtually impossible to obtain unless you are a member of our preferred nomenclatura. Why do you people have to be so extreme. Because…. children.”

    :em04:

  41. 41

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    Translation: blah blah blah…

    Really? You didn’t like what I was actually saying so you had to make up your own words to make it look like I meant something else?

    No, I meant that this Congress can’t and won’t agree on anything. Sure, you will have the usual suspects introduce the usual knee-jerk bullshit in reaction to whatever “crisis” we have, the media will whip it up in a frenzy for a while until the Next Big Thing™ changes the news cycle, and if and when attention is ever brought back to it, there will be some chest pumping and a lot of money donated to campaign funds, and it will get stalled and die.

    It might surprise you to know that when it comes to guns, I am probably more pro-gun than a lot of you here. I don’t believe in gun bans — I think that EVERYONE has the right to own as many as they want. After some thought, I also think that we should do away with the background checks as well. We don’t need them if everyone is allowed to own a gun. Besides, background checks are as useless as tits on a boar, since they do nothing to prevent someone who is law-abiding at the moment of purchase to become a mass shooter sometime in the future.

    We don’t have a “gun problem” in this country, we have a problem holding people responsible for their actions.

    We have laws on the books right now that we don’t enforce, and those we do enforce are not applied the same across the board.

    The Second Amendment clearly gives people the right to own and bear arms without exception, and without infringement. I read that to mean that everyone, without exception is allowed to own and bear arms, no questions asked. Yes, that means ex-felons and crazy people as well, unless of course they are incarcerated.

    With every right, comes responsibility. Up until now, we seem to think that controlling guns is the answer. We tend to go to the least common denominator when it comes to handling this. We assume that because there are a FEW people who are assholes, then EVERYONE should be treated as if they were one also. We are looking in the wrong direction on this.

    We have the RIGHT to own and bear arms. We also have the RESPONSIBILITY to operate inside the confines of the laws or face the consequences.

    Substitute the word “weapon” for the word “gun” or “firearm”. If you kill someone with a “weapon”, is that person any less dead if it were a knife or a gun? Of course not. If you rob someone with a knife, gun, club, are they any less “robbed”? Nope.

    So it isn’t the TYPE of weapon or “arm” that is the problem here, it is the fucknozzle who uses that weapon.

    So go after the PERSON. Hold the PERSON responsible, not restrict everyone else.

    If a person uses any weapon to commit any crime, then enhance his or her sentence with a mandatory sentence of say twenty years in addition and consecutive to whatever sentence he or she would have received for the underlying crime. No plea bargain and a mandatory prosecution. That goes for the threat of the use of a weapon — if a crime victim believes the perp has a weapon, then that is the same as actually using one. Most bank robbers don’t use guns, but they insinuate that they will use one. They get prosecuted as if they actually brandished one.

    If you injure or kill someone with a weapon, then that mandatory sentence enhancement should go up to fifty years. If the perp wants to “hold court in the streets”, then fine, take him out there on the spot.

    Will this approach stop violence? Not all of it, but it would sure take a crap load of fucknozzles off the street for a very long time, and that will translate into substantially lowering future incidents while sending a clear message to everyone that if you use a weapon to commit a crime, injure or kill someone, you will be held responsible and suffer some very concrete, tough, and understandable consequences.

    If there are certain people whom you cannot trust to possess a weapon of any kind, then they shouldn’t be on the streets.
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    This makes sense…..okay

    WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH DJ ALLYN????? :em05: :em05: :em05:

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LC Robohobo @ #:

    Not quite. If arrested they will Miranda you.

    You have the right to remain silent.
    Anything you say or do may be used against you in a court of law.
    You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future.
    If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning, if you wish.
    If you decide to answer any questions now, without an attorney present, you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney.
    Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?

    Then invoke the 2nd line and STFU.

    You do it your way, I’ll do it mine. Mine gets me an attorney (and thus gets word out to family/friends that I’m in custody), cuts off any possibility of further questioning or interaction from the police, lets me know what I’m facing, and gets me in front of a judge.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Imperial Sound Engineer @ #:

    If there are certain people whom you cannot trust to possess a weapon of any kind, then they shouldn’t be on the streets.

    If they are truly people who could not be trusted to possess a weapon of any kind, they would need to be eliminated, since they’d be a threat (using improvised weapons) to people (guards, fellow inmates, medical personnel) no matter where you warehoused them.

  45. 45

    DJ Allyn, Imperial Sound Engineer says:

    Raise your hands if you REALLY think Obama is going to make an attempt to “grab your guns”. Raise your hands if you think this Congress can get together and pass ANY kind of “gun control” legislation. (remember, this is a Congress that can’t even agree when to go to lunch.)

    Sure, there is a LOT of talk. A lot of meaningless chest-beating. We even have Senator Rand standing up and filibustering for almost thirteen hours over something that Congress can EASILY fix but never will.

    I don’t think this Congress will get anything passed on guns….hell, they can’t even pass gas unless there’s a hundred riders attached to it.

    But, I DO believe that they will bank on blue state legislatures to do the dirty work for them. We already see it in Colorado, and here in Washington State…..THAT’s where the trouble will come from

  46. 46

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    If they are truly people who could not be trusted to possess a weapon of any kind, they would need to be eliminated, since they’d be a threat (using improvised weapons) to people (guards, fellow inmates, medical personnel) no matter where you warehoused them.

    Well, you would have to be humane. Killing them simply for being “broken” is not a good choice, and I am mainly talking about people who through no fault of their own are mentally ill with violent tendencies. They can be put in institutions where their needs are met.

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says:

    But, I DO believe that they will bank on blue state legislatures to do the dirty work for them. We already see it in Colorado, and here in Washington State…..THAT’s where the trouble will come from

    You are probably right. But even that is not carved in stone. There will no doubt be umpteen legal challenges, voter referendums, initiatives, and a good old fashioned voting booth. It also means that if someone doesn’t like what one state did, they could always move to another as a last resort.

    LCBrendan says:

    WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH DJ ALLYN????? :em05: :em05: :em05:

    I have been talking about this in some shape and form for quite a while now — mainly on FaceCrack.
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    LCBrendan says:

    WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH DJ ALLYN????? :em05: :em05: :em05:

    Obviously, you have never really paid attention to WHAT I’ve said.

    I keep trying to tell y’all, that I tend to agree with you than you believe. I suspect that you see my name and make the assumption that I DIS-agree.

    The fact of the matter is that on THIS particular topic, I have always had this view. I have NEVER really thought we have a “gun” problem, just a “people” problem. I don’t believe in punishing everyone for the actions of a tiny few. And that goes pretty much across the board.

    Unfortunately, most people in this country see a problem and assume that it is a problem with objects and NOT the people. I have always seen it as a flaw in certain people and have felt that to FIX that problem just focus on the PEOPLE who cause the problem, NOT the fucking object.

    Name it. Whatever the problem, it will ALWAYS be a certain class of PEOPLE. Deal with those PEOPLE, and the problem goes away.

    We don’t have a burglary problem, we have a problem with people who commit burglaries. We don’t have a robbery problem, we have a problem with people who commit robberies. Deal with the PEOPLE, not the action, and we will deal with the problem.

    Jeeze, it is REALLY that simple.
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Obviously, you have never really paid attention to WHAT I’ve said.

    I keep trying to tell y’all, that I tend to agree with you than you believe. I suspect that you see my name and make the assumption that I DIS-agree. The fact of the matter is that on THIS particular topic, I have always had this view. I have NEVER really thought we have a “gun” problem, just a “people” problem. I don’t believe in punishing everyone for the actions of a tiny few. And that goes pretty much across the board.

    Unfortunately, most people in this country see a problem and assume that it is a problem with objects and NOT the people. I have always seen it as a flaw in certain people and have felt that to FIX that problem just focus on the PEOPLE who cause the problem, NOT the fucking object.

    Name it. Whatever the problem, it will ALWAYS be a certain class of PEOPLE. Deal with those PEOPLE, and the problem goes away. We don’t have a burglary problem, we have a problem with people who commit burglaries. We don’t have a robbery problem, we have a problem with people who commit robberies. Deal with the PEOPLE, not the action, and we will deal with the problem. Jeeze, it is REALLY that simple.

    Deej, I know. i’ve known that for some time.

    That was a JOKE. ya big galoot. :em08:

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    No, I meant that this Congress can’t and won’t agree on anything.

    Oh really?

    House GOP Leaders: We Can Pass Gun Control, Immigration, Without Republican Support

    With more and more conservatives in the House rebelling against John Boehner’s increasingly questionable Speakership, Republican House leadership is now moving to quash in-house concerns by reaching across the aisle for support. Leadership is moving in the wake of a surprising move by 16 House Republicans to vote against a Republican leadership-crafted closed rule on a government funding bill. The rule was designed to limit amendments to the government funding bill, but some House conservatives, concerned over the Boehner team’s refusal to consider a floor vote on an amendment to defund Obamacare implementation, bucked Boehner on the rule.

    After undergoing that unpleasant shock, House leadership hasn’t responded by listening to the concerns of the more conservative members of its caucus. Instead, House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said on Sunday that he would be open to ramming through bills without the support of a majority of his own Republican caucus. Not just on small bills. On issues like immigration and gun control, McCarthy said, he’d be open to taking rogue Republicans across the aisle to work with Democrats.
    – Ben Shapiro

    Head up you own ass as per usual I see – in my opinion. You sure do like to pontificate on shit you know nearly zero about – this sort of innate Narcissism seems to be a natural part of the liberal make-up. And to be perfectly frank, (from my way of seeing things), appears to be a running theme with your warbling in general.

    The million dollar question is this:

    Are you just so fucking clueless, self important, and arrogant that you don’t realize how badly mistake you are?

    Or…

    Are you a malicious, lying, two-faced backstabber, who damn-well knows and understands where this all leads, and is simply trying to lacquer over your true-motives?

    So as Bracken says… which are you… a useful idiot or a secret Stalinist?

    http://libertyendanger.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/usefulidiot_n.jpg

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Imperial Sound Engineer says:

    Raise your hands if you REALLY think Obama is going to make an attempt to “grab your guns”. Raise your hands if you think this Congress can get together and pass ANY kind of “gun control” legislation. (remember, this is a Congress that can’t even agree when to go to lunch.)

    Jumps up and down waving franticly. :em05:

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Imperial Sound Engineer @ #:

    Well, you would have to be humane. Killing them simply for being “broken” is not a good choice, and I am mainly talking about people who through no fault of their own are mentally ill with violent tendencies. They can be put in institutions where their needs are met.

    Ahh, but there’s the rub. Who gets to define “humane?” To give just one example, the T-4 Program was designed to be a “humane” way of dealing with the mentally ill. The decision would never be made to kill them “simply for being ‘broken’.” Rather, it would be made on a cost basis (cheaper to kill them than to warehouse them) and sold as the “humane” solution – what’s a very little transitory suffering (carefully monitored by medical personnel to make sure it is not bad at all) over a lifetime of confinement, etc. There have been about as many remakes of this movie as there have been of Beau Geste.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Dem Rep. Jan Schakowsky: I’m not so sure we can’t ban handguns entirely
    “In which Jason Mattera discovers Schakowsky’s Nixonian side. Watching this reminded me of the videos that circulated during the ObamaCare debate of high-profile liberals confessing publicly that single-payer is the ultimate goal of universal health care. In both cases, they’re pushing regulations that are less ambitious than they’d prefer because they’ve concluded that only an incrementalist approach can get them to their final destination. Then I remembered: Schakowsky was one of the people in the ObamaCare videos too. No matter how dark your suspicions are of the Democrats’ true agenda, there she is, happy to confirm on camera that you’re dead right. Note to Jason M.: Next time you see her, ask her what she thinks about the possibility of Obama firing drone missiles at American citizens sitting in a cafe. I’m almost afraid to see how she’d answer.”
    - Allahpundit

    Nope, we are just wacko-pots standing in the way of sensible regulations, rather than opposing a deliberate incrementalism that’s being used to progressively rot away our freedom.

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    IgnatiusHood growls and barks:

    I’m not one to go out of my way to be a dickhole, but simply put, if these green shirted clowns had jurisdiction at all they would have drug these people out of their vehicles and had then zip stripped in a line faster they could ask, “am I being detained?”

    The simple fact that they waffle, stutter, fold up and eventually let the guy through tells you everything you need to know about what they are being told to do. Exertion of power, the bullies alwasy do what you let them get away with, you draw a line and they will not cross it unless they have legitimate authority to do so.

    TSA act very much the same way, I saw some scrawny 40 something guy at the Airport get harassed nearly to tears by the TSA becuase they could tell he was weak and they just wanted to ruin his day. My 6’3″ 250# self gives them a nice smile and I don’t even get so much as looked at as I breeze right through.

    Bullies, plain and simple.

    All that being said, I follow my Dads advice. I don’t go looking for trouble, becuase you generally find exactly what you’re looking for. Right or wrong a pissed off armed man is still armed.

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    DJ Allyn, Imperial Sound Engineer says:

    It also means that if someone doesn’t like what one state did, they could always move to another as a last resort.

    That’s what I have been saying for years to people when it comes to ANY legislation. I don’t care if it’s guns, Big Gulps, Abortion, Gay Marriage or Gambling, Etc.

    STOP bringing the Federal Gubmint into the tent and let the damn States decide what they want to allow or disallow. If your State doesn’t let you do what you want…
    GET THE HELL OUT AND FIND ONE THAT WILL. I get so damn fed up with one group of schmucks demanding an entire State bend to their will, then bawling for the Feds to stick their dicks into it. :em08:

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #32:
    Herpes I tell you! Herpes Simplex. Its forever. :em05: