This is the draft list of banned guns under the new “laws”

    This is is almost a total gun ban, and is in direct contravention of the Constitution.

Rifles

(or copies or duplicates):M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14,AR-15,Bushmaster XM15,Armalite M15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47,AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty , Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi.

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):

Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel,iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder. Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

This bill has to die in the Senate, or never get past the House.

Your rights, your Constitution.

DO NOT let them abridge your rights.

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angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

I’m heading over to see my gun dealer today. I’m now looking for a good CCW pistol in .45. I am annoyed that Ruger has discontinued the one I was really looking at, the P345. The good news with all this is the number of law enforcement types that have announced they will refuse outright any orders to enforce these… Read more »

single stack
single stack

I believe if this bill or anything like it is passed and signed into law it will be the spark that sets off an armed insurrection. Someone needs to attend/testify at one of these hearings and pointedly ask if the members of Congress are actively trying to: A. Start a full blown armed rebellion B. Get themselves killed. A. I… Read more »

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

Maybe if you tell them you’re an illegal alien the Gummint will give you one of those weapons. Just call yourself Enrique, or maybe Mahmud.

watchyerlane
watchyerlane

Did these jerk-offs forget to read one of the documents in the fucking National Archives????? When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and… Read more »

LC hilljohnny
LC hilljohnny

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

Maybe if you tell them you’re an illegal alien the Gummint will give you one of those weapons.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/24/Merry-Christmas-immigrants-Obama-Holder-push-to-loosen-alien-gun-sales-restrictions

Igor, Imperial Booby
Igor, Imperial Booby

Molon Labe! What the Gubmint wants to know I ain’t gonna tell ’em. You should’ve seen my 2010 Census form, I slapped ’em down hard.
:em07:

Orion
Orion

Good.

Let’s get the dang’d thing started so we can get it over with and clean up the mess.

Orion

LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd
LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd

Another fraud in this bill: It purports to “exempt” some 2200 types of firearms. Exempt from what? A sitting Congress cannot constrain a future Congress. A surprising number of people don’t seem to know that Congress can’t pass a law to prevent a later Congress from passing laws. Congress cannot create a moratorium. This is a good point to make… Read more »

LC Spare Parts
LC Spare Parts

Mitcell is to busy surrendering. He might as well get a couple of pins and attach his white flag to his worthless ass.

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

The funny thing about camels and straw is the piece that breaks the animal’s back need not be particularly egregious… it’s just the final weight the system could bear before structurally collapsing. Physics takes over, and inertia is a real goddamned bitch. Your move congress critters. Makes no difference to us if you assholes pass a magazine ban, registration, or… Read more »

Qoheleth
Qoheleth

“An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as inoperative as though it had never been passed.” Norton v. Shelby County – 118 U.S. 425 (1886) Granted, it’s not like we live in America anymore, and fidelity to govern in… Read more »

LC Robohobo
LC Robohobo

I will not comply. Sign The Patriot Post’s 2nd Amendment Pledge: “The right…to Keep and Bear Arms…” “The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better… Read more »

LC Draco
LC Draco

Igor, Imperial Booby says:

Molon Labe! What the Gubmint wants to know I ain’t gonna tell ‘em. You should’ve seen my 2010 Census form, I slapped ‘em down hard.

I bet it looked A LOT like ours!!!

HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:

Inertia TRULY is a bitch…in either direction!!

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

OT but…… Most everyone suspected fraud, but these numbers prove it and our government and media refuse to do anything about it. As each state reported their final election details, the evidence of voter fraud is astounding. Massive voter fraud has been reported in areas of OH and FL, with PA, WI and VA, all are deploying personnel to investigate… Read more »

bruce
bruce

these commies have no idea what starting a civil war would be like because nobody would be exempt;cop comes to your neighbors door to confiscate weapons,some one goes to cops door and sets them on fire then shoots the first responders.all of the national socialist would be in jeopardy ,from school board members to cops,to any local government workers.it would… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Robohobo says:

Sign The Patriot Post’s 2nd Amendment Pledge:

RESIST, yes.
Sign a pledge showing the Feds exactly where to go first? Not so Smart

LC Sir M - Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E.
LC Sir M - Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E.

Possibly of interest to TEXAS Rotties

bruce
bruce

every time I see the first sasquatch I want to push her face into dough and make gorilla cookies! :em05:

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)

Gawd, I love living in Texas! The Sheriff of my county has publicly announced he will not conduct any gun registration or enforce confiscation orders from DC. Not that it matters to me … having sold all of my guns and ammo for cash at a gun show in December. Talked to a manager at Cabela’s (the gun/ammo shelves of… Read more »

LC Robohobo
LC Robohobo

LC Gladiator @ #: Gladiator – Read the Mill quote. What are you afraid of? I say again, sign the pledge. “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

Will someone please go to the Imperial Supply Office™ and tell whoever is in charge, they’re fired. If Bruce is the best troll they can come up with, then i want that entire department replaced. starting with that idiot McSorley. Then someone check the list of suppliers and cancel the contract. This the ROTT, for Gawd’s sake…We need better, more… Read more »

LC Spare Parts
LC Spare Parts

Be wary of signing any petitions. There is a radio add here saying “We need 400,000 more patriots to sign it” and claiming Tea Party sponsorship.
Sure. Wanna bet? How do we know it’s not Our enemies fishing for fools to target later?
Just a heads up.

single stack
single stack

cop comes to your neighbors door to confiscate weapons,some one goes to cops door and sets them on fire then shoots the first responders I keep reading stupidity like this whenever a blog has a thread about resisting tyranny. People who write this sort of idiocy know nothing about insurgency and guerilla warfare. One of the first rules of successful… Read more »

Lockpick
Lockpick

I was wondering what happened to my shopping list. I will be more careful where I leave it next time.

LCBren
LCBren

Meanwhile in the country with Obama type gun laws… http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/fists-give-way-to-firearms-20130125-2dc3l.html Their 3am slanging match quickly earns the ire of those in the low-rise red-brick apartments and battered fibro homes around them and one neighbour eventually opens a window and yells at the pair to keep it down. But that only angers Khaled more The 25-year-old turns his anger on the… Read more »

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

Well Single, if they start this, we will be smeared in the media anyways. I consider Mexico and Yugoslavia to be very instructive on the manner in which you deal with the building situation – and it’s next of kin. As far as I am concerned NOTHING is off the table. Absolutely nothing. The monsters mean to make slaves or… Read more »

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

KArnold @ #12:
Just keep in mind, since they have set precedent by ignoring Amendments 1 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10 , We will be on a firm footing when we ignore Amendments 7 and 8.

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

Addendum to 26: Don’t go into this thinking it will be fast and over quickly. The Revolution took years, the Civil War took years, WWI and WWII took years. Huge wars are awful horrible things that drag on until everybody is sick of them. Patriots and oppressors shall question their resolve, and no life will be spared loss, sorrow and… Read more »

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

LC Spare Parts @ #23:
During the 1960s one of the “Civil Rights” thugs said

If you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem.

During the 1980s Reagan said

Whoever is not our enemy is our friend.

I have a clear preference here. I think that inclusiveness is better than confrontation.

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #26:

For both Foreign and Domestic matters, I have always favored a policy of Reciprocity. Disproportionate Reciprocity.

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.

Who will stand? Will we have to? Will the actual Patriots in the government fight this? Are there any?

single stack
single stack

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. @ #: 26 The point of my post went right over your head and you missed it entirely. It isn’t about being nice, or polite, or honorable, or fair, or even taking the moral high ground. It’s about practicality. It’s about winning an insurgent campaign to destroy an authoritarian regime and restore the republic. An insurgency… Read more »

single stack
single stack

My post #32 is in response to HempRopeAndStreetlight’s post # 26.
I don’t know what happened with the header.

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

Some counter-points you make I agree with Single, some I don’t. We will have to agree to disagree on those.

LC Xealot
LC Xealot

Yes, if this bill, or any substantial part of it, actually passes… that will be the line in the sand for me, and a lot of us Rotties. The endgame of the grand experiment of 1776… is about to begin. Even if this bill fails, this time… someday it WILL pass. 5 years, maybe 10… but someday. There’s not much… Read more »

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/336869.php

Ace is coming around on the subject of the media. He’s only suggesting harassment at the moment.

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

single stack @ #: You don’t make their lives harder by blowing up infrastructure We respectfully disagree. The Viet Minh/Viet Cong, the IRA, the Maquis the first responders aren’t the ones committing the crimes, and many will oppose the regime. You take the king’s coin, you’re the king’s man. You also don’t do anything to elicit sympathy for the regime,… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. @ #:

Just keep in mind, since they have set precedent by ignoring Amendments 1 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10

Yeah, but everyone knows that the 3rd Amendment has always been the canary in the coalmine. :em01:

Tallulah
Tallulah

If you missed this, here’s a reminder. September 20, 2012 Why does Homeland Security need 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition? Lee DeCovnick The Department of Homeland Security has purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition- that is not a typo — during the last six months. This includes 450 million rounds of .40 hollow point, 200 million rounds of .223 rifle… Read more »

single stack
single stack

Fa Cube Itches @ #: 37 Every insurgent group you listed was worse than the regimes they fought. They were unremittingly evil and left their societies less free than when they started. The American Revolution is nearly unique in human history because it’s one of the few that didn’t turn out worse than the regime it ended, and it brought… Read more »

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

This is precisely because the rebels didn’t embrace evil and commit to the kind of campaign of murder and mayhem that you think is necessary for success. The Swamp Fox disagrees with you. As far as the British were concerned, the man was Osama Bin Laden. Innocents always die in war. Even when you are the good guys. That’s why… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Spare Parts says:

Be wary of signing any petitions. There is a radio add here saying “We need 400,000 more patriots to sign it” and claiming Tea Party sponsorship.
Sure. Wanna bet? How do we know it’s not Our enemies fishing for fools to target later?
Just a heads up.

MY POINT EXACTLY

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

Fa Cube Itches @ #38: I didn’t inclue Number 3 because I am not aware that it has yet been specifically violated … Yet! And at this point it may be time to not worry so much about the canary, when we see bunches of dead ducks, some mocking birds gasping for air, and even a few wheezing eagles. My… Read more »

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

LC Spare Parts says: Be wary of signing any petitions. There is a radio add here saying “We need 400,000 more patriots to sign it” and claiming Tea Party sponsorship. Sure. Wanna bet? How do we know it’s not Our enemies fishing for fools to target later? Just a heads up. MY POINT EXACTLY LC Robohobo says: LC Gladiator @… Read more »

redc1c4
redc1c4

having carefully examined the list and considered the meager & motley assemblage that i have access to, i am happy to say that i don’t own a single weapon on it, or that might be later added to it. in fact, i doubt if anyone reading this does either. i still don’t support passing it, but if they ram it… Read more »

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

Don’t worry red. They will get around to all of them sooner rather than later.

As others have said…

“Dangerous sniper rifles.”
“Lethal automatic pistols.”
“Easily concealable revolvers.”
“Antiquated and dangerous black powder rifles.”

Their goal is to seize all of them. And they will if they ain’t stopped.

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.

Possibly the simplest start would be at the edges of the cities. Check the map of red/blue. Block them off and burn them down.

LC HJ Caveman82952
LC HJ Caveman82952

Must we learn the same lesson? For those blank faced idiots and giddy elves having foisted this menace on us I share no compassion, mercy or pity. Lenin dealt with his useful idiots quite efficiently after their purpose was served. We now have a large apathetic, ignorant populace…by design. Many years ago I took a stroll through downtown Karachi, Pakistan,… Read more »

redc1c4
redc1c4

HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #:
i can see someone missed my invisible /sarc tag… it’s my default setting. 🙂

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

redc1c4 @ #:

Indeed I did.

:em05:

Fa Cube Itches
Fa Cube Itches

single stack @ #: Every insurgent group you listed was worse than the regimes they fought. They were unremittingly evil and left their societies less free than when they started. Irrelevant – they won. I specifically said that I wasn’t arguing that they were nice, only effective. And the IRA wasn’t particularly bad, either. The successor group in the North… Read more »

LC Xystus
LC Xystus

LC cmblake6: Possibly the simplest start would be at the edges of the cities. Check the map of red/blue. Block them off and burn them down. No need to burn. Some of the inhabitants will no doubt do that themselves. Regarding atrocities in our Revolutionary & Four Years’ Wars: excepting the scorched-earth campaigners’ acts, these seem to be the work… Read more »

LC Xealot
LC Xealot

Any second civil war will be brutal and violent, and involve a great deal of as symmetric warfare. It would, more than likely, be the work of small bands and lone wolf individuals rather than any kind of concerted militia-level action. But there would be a lot of it, and more than likely, it would involve government and media targets.… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

LC Xealot @ #:

I hope I’m wrong.

You aren’t and it’s starting.
:em06:

LC Draco
LC Draco

As a bit of advice DOWNLOAD FM 3-24 (COIN) while you can. It will be the base line for what’s coming here.

As a side note, I actually had input in the writing and have taught COIN for years. As well as using the TTPs (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures) in Iraq.

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight
angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #: Kid came outta nowhere but that’s quite an article. Well, the news coming out of New York is that the gun owners are planning NOT to register their guns, and are flat out challenging Cuomo. Provided nothing goes violent there, I’m guessing Cuomo may get blown out electorally in 2014 along with most of the morons in… Read more »

HempRopeAndStreetlight
HempRopeAndStreetlight

I can’t imagine they are turning their police goons into an army and don’t intend the use them as such.

But I’d be happy to be wrong.

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)

What do you think of this?
Martial Law?

I have friends in the Houston and Miami areas that have verified recent Black Helicopter operations occurring there.

LC LOBO
LC LOBO

BigDogg @ #:
Add Minneapolis to the list, and I’m hearing from some back “home” that it also was going on in St. Louis.