It Might Work, If Human Beings Were in Charge

So now the talk about “what needs to be done” is all on doing something about locking mentally defectives up before they can go shoot innocents. We mention it because some people with an IQ not below absolute zero (as in anybody not a raging leftist parasite) are mentioning it too.

Wouldn’t it make sense, seeing as pretty much all of the loser animals committing atrocities like this last one were stark raving mad, to maybe, perhaps, do something to sequester them from civilized society before their madness leads to the wholesale slaughter of little children?

Of course it would. One of the real reasons we’re even seeing this sort of madness was that idiots like the communist-founded ACLU managed to let all of the looney tunes out on the streets seeing as how it was a violation of their “civil rights” to not be allowed to go postal among us.

So far, so good. Nobody in their right mind would hand insane uncle Cletus who believes that his next door neighbor is the Anti-Christ an AR-15 no matter how much he was family.

Only problem with that suggestion is that government would be in charge of it, and they’re about as incompetent as you can get without removing your brain from your head entirely.

There is not a task so simple that government cannot fuck it up beyond any hope of repair and they will never, ever fail to do so. Just take delivering mail as an example.

But let’s use an analogy closer to the idea of putting government in charge of who needs to be locked up “for the Common Good”, not an ignoble goal in itself at all.

Quite a long time ago, society decided that, based on how many innocent children ended up dead or permanently injured as a result of parental abuse, something needed to be done.

Who the hell with a heart could disagree with that? We were born too late to see what the result of not doing something about it was, at least as far as children are concerned, but we remember only too well how abused wives, “frequent fliers” as we sometimes called them, would show up at the ER with alarming regularity and an inexplicable propensity for falling up and down stairs, bumping into doors and falling asleep on the stove top. The frustration at not being able to do anything unless said women pressed charges due to patient confidentiality and privacy concerns cannot adequately be described in words. With that, we are only too familiar. Familiar to the point where our Something Needs to Be Done™ gland was excreting to the point where it was physically painful. And fuck patient confidentiality, those women were and are in danger of their lives on a daily basis.

So we understand the motivation behind Doing Something™ for the children, because who is more deserving of protection than children?

Problem was, as is always the case, that government was put in charge of Protecting the Children™, and they fucked that up too. With the best, undeniably best of intentions, agencies were set up to investigate cases where children might be endangered, and nobody with a soul could be against that. At first, interventions were made only in obvious cases like the aforementioned frequent flyer victims of spousal abuse, but then child protection became a business, a career choice, something where the job security of the individuals employed became dependent on case load. Kind of hard to justify spending millions of dollars on keeping 200 investigators, supervisors, managers, assistant managers, clerks, assistant clerks, specialist 8th class form filers etc. employed if they only had 20 cases a year, right? So the government definition of “necessity”, not particularly well-defined to begin with since bureaucracies live and die on how broadly they can interpret their original charter, got wider and wider.

To the point where perfectly normal, loving, caring parents either are afraid to take little Johnny to the ER for a broken wrist suffered while skate boarding (let’s face it, kids get bruises in ways not involving being placed on a hot stove as punishment for peeing their pants) or bloody well should be. Because all it takes is for one overzealous or just plain incompetent “doctor” to misdiagnose an injury and that family will be in Hell for quite a while. Their kids will be confiscated, they’ll be facing the infinite resources of the state when they’re trying to prove that they’re innocent (innocent until proven guilty does not apply where the government is concerned), all because the government agency needs their funding.

That’s the reality that parents live in today. If you’re a parent, a normal parent, you know already that losing your kids is a fate literally worse than death. Because they mean more to you than life itself. Yet, as a result of undeniably good intentions, you now face the reality that taking your child to the ER because he or she had a boo-boo might just result in you never seeing them again.

All because of government “mission creep.” What makes it even more infuriating is that the system actually encourages going after innocent families since those cases clear out faster, are not as dangerous as legitimate cases since the parents were never a danger to anybody to begin with, which ups your case load statistic which, in turns, guarantees further funding and more jobs. And thus we end up with stories of children dying because of legitimate abuse while other families spend years and all of their savings trying to hold on to their kids because little Susie tripped over her feet and banged her head against the coffee table and her loving parents made the “mistake” of taking her to the ER.

Ask yourselves again: If Susie’s parents were normal, responsible individuals like 99.9% of parents and they were faced with the choice between agreeing to bullshit “counseling” not needed in the first place and the prospect of wasting years of their and her lives ruining themselves with the very real possibility that they might still lose since the state has so many more resources, they print their own money after all, and never see her again, what might a loving parent choose?

But it was all with the Best Intentions.

And now we’re asked to allow that same almighty government to decide who needs to be locked away and/or have their rights taken from them because somebody, somewhere, somebody whose job depends on churning out enough “wins”, decided that they were dangerous based on deliberately vague definitions? After all, if we make those guidelines too strict, somebody might slip through the cracks and, as every totalitarian will tell you, it’s better to convict a hundred innocent people than to let one guilty individual go free.

It will start with only bug shit raving maniacs being locked away, something with which I doubt anybody can disagree, but before you know it the definition of “dangerous to society” will expand to anybody who might pad the case load numbers of the agency in charge. More funding, more jobs. Pretty soon anybody who ever said “fuck this world, let it burn” over a drink at the local bar would have his or her rights revoked for the common good if anybody reported it. Next would be anybody questioning the justice system, anybody expressing doubts about the alleged wisdom of the government, anybody even cracking a fucking joke within earshot of an informer.

Am I being paranoid? Then please explain to me why the current DHS has anybody expressing devotion to the oath they gave to the Constitution or, indeed, anybody distrustful of government in general, listed as a “potential terrorist.” While you’re at it, please explain to me why individuals expressing a total devotion to the only religion that I know of which is responsible for 99.99999% of all terrorist attacks is not even MENTIONED as a potential suspect.

We all want to stop the senseless murders, but I just don’t trust the government to come up with guidelines strict and well-defined enough that they will not be abused. Which is sad, because all that we need in order for those guidelines to actually do some good and keep insane animals like the Newtown monster off the streets would be for them to be very rigid, very NOT open to “interpretation” and they WOULD do some good.

What we’ll end up with, on the other hand, because that is what we’ve ended up with every single Zeus-damned time in the past, is legislation that will allow government to take away your unalienable right to self-defense if you ever popped a Xanax because your entire family died in a fire.

So what can we do? Well, first of all, we can end the madness of denying the right of human beings to defend themselves. Let teachers carry guns if they’re properly trained, put up armed guards if nobody at the school qualifies, put the world on notice that if you intend harm, you will be met with lethal force if necessary, remove the targets painted on the backs of the most defenseless members of society and deny them the privilege of a barrel full of helpless fish.

Will it eliminate incidents like Sandy Hook? Of course it won’t. Evil is quite creative and it will never ever be eliminated from our lives, just as we’ll never have unicorns shitting skittles all over our lawns every morning.

But there is no denying the simple, obvious fact that pretty much every single case of mass murder shootings have occurred in “Gun Free Zones” where the beast committing the crime was assured, ahead of time, that it wouldn’t encounter any resistance.

We can’t eliminate evil. It’s part of the human condition. But we can at the very least make evil’s job more difficult.

Thatisall.

36 comments

  1. 1
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Well, here’s what comedy team Penn & Teller have to say on this subject. If you need a grim laugh right about now.

    Savagely funny, and spot on. Pass it on — hell, put it on Faceplant.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dhXOuuHcjbs

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    Misha,

    I almost did not reply to this as it hits really close to home. One other person here knows about this, and as I can give personal witness to this I’m hoping my experience will be enlightening.

    I can attest to this one, oh yes I can …

    Let’s just say that informers and bureaucrats aren’t the only ones to abuse such a system. Sometimes someone a lot closer to you does it too out of sheer spite. My soon to be ex wife did the same thing. More than once. Against me, out of utter spite. I got to the point where I said ‘no more’ when the pattern against me escalated from verbal and emotional abuse to the point where both I and my daughter had to deal with one incident apiece of actual physical contact .. and as such .. I’m fighting for custody of my daughter against my soon to be ex wife .. the woman who actually, as a schoolteacher mind you, abused the legal system by doing a false claim of domestic violence against me, but also multiple false complaints of child neglect of outright abuse.

    Needless to say, CPS got so fed up with her antics they actually gave me case numbers etc with the understanding this would be referred to the DA for my soon to be ex to face prosecution. And that doesn’t even address the whole domestic violence and then abusing the system by lying about it thing.

    The bizarro thing is in each and every case my soon to be ex was the one initiating things .. then when an argument didn’t quite go her way she escalated and escalated .. and voila, CPS shows up at my door with a complaint of neglect – and this happened more than once. All investigated, all unfounded .. but she crossed the line when she actually went after me and then lied to HBPD claiming I assaulted her. And in each case, there were strict guidelines .. but guidelines will easily fall by the wayside when you have someone disturbed and amoral enough to work the system.

    I don’t resent CPS or HBPD for doing their jobs .. but my soon to be ex actually thinks she’ll get away without charges being pressed. Au contraire :)

    That’s why I’ve not been on much lately .. and why I deleted my Facebook a while back. I’ve been basically trying to protect my little girl which of course comes first.

    In short, I agree with you about bureaucrats and creeping guidelines. Just sayin’ :)

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Tallulah @ #:1
    Followed the link, loved the show.

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    Library Czar growls and barks:

    Sorry to bring up Godwins Law so soon in the thread. We tried this already. Anyone remember 1934. First it was the crazy. Then it was anyone that disagreed with the Government bureaucrats. Ended up not so well as we all know. The answer is NEVER MORE GOVERNMENT.

    And you can thank Lyndon Johnson and his Great Society for dumping all the crazy people on the street and making it impossible to get them treatment.

  5. 5
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Well, you know what they say about the road to hell……………

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    Mish is right. There’s no way to stop evil – it will happen no matter what we do. The best we can do is ensure we’re properly defended against it. The leftards HATE that! They hate anything that allows regular folks to take responsibility for themselves, and not rely on the nanny state.

    When I mention Joel Myrick in Pearl, MS or the Appalachian School of Law incidents, they cringe and screech that these are isolated incidents.

    But you know what will give potential victims even the slightest chance to live?

    The same thing that stopped Luke Woodham from killing even more people in Pearl, MS in 1997.

    Woodham drove his mother’s car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat, he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother’s car. Then Myrick demanded “Why did you shoot my kids?” to which Woodham replied, “Life has wronged me, sir.

    The same thing that saved lives at the Appalachian School of Law in 2002.

    According to Bridges: at the first sound of gunfire, he and fellow student Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to retrieve their personally-owned firearms[6] placed in their glove compartments. Mikael Gross, a police officer from Grifton, North Carolina retrieved a 9 mm pistol and body armor. Bridges, a county sheriff’s deputy from Asheville, North Carolina retrieved his .357 Magnum pistol from beneath the driver’s seat of his Chevrolet Tahoe. Bridges and Gross approached Odighizuwa from different angles, with Bridges yelling at Odighizuwa to drop his gun.[10] Odighizuwa then dropped his firearm and was subdued by several other unarmed students, including Ted Besen and Todd Ross.

    Well, of course, they’re isolated incidents! Know why? Because the leftards have effectively prevented responsible law-abiding citizens from defending themselves in schools and college campuses. These folks had to run to their cars to get their firearms – most just abide by the law and leave their tools of self-defense at home. Of course, you won’t hear too many of these stories! They don’t happen often, because the left has disarmed us!

    FUCKING TOOLS!

    Meanwhile, Ed Schultz is talking about door-to-door gun confiscations. OK… try it, fatass. Your girth will probably get stuck in my door anyway, with those whom you choose to bring with you to accomplish this task stuck right behind you. That’s fine. Think Spartans/Thermopylae. I could probably get several of you with just one shot.

    Cocksacks.
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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Meanwhile, Ed Schultz is talking about door-to-door gun confiscations.

    I have a feeling that Ed-the-Red might find himself more involved in this Civil War than he imagines if they start door-to-door confiscations. In fact, I am pretty sure a great many of these media Harridans and Harpies will be shocked at just how intimately a part of this narrative they will become.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Yes, Hemp…indeed so.
    You want my M1A?…Noooo problem, we’ll start with the business end, and do us a favor, Ed…be first in line.

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    Penance growls and barks:

    It will start with only bug shit raving maniacs being locked away, something with which I doubt anybody can disagree,

    I can.

    Here’s the long & short of it.
    Schizophrenia is the mental illness most associated with violence.

    Out of 100 schizophrenics. 8 of them will commit a violent crime.
    Out of 100 perfectly “normal” people. 5 of them will commit a violent crime.

    Thus, the association of schizophrenia or other mental illness, with violent crime is FALSE. It is believed by many, based on the SPOTLIGHT fallacy.

    Hypothetically (assuming 100 to be the total number), if you permanently confined all schizophrenics, you would sentence 92 innocent people to LIFE IMPRISONMENT to prevent 8 violent crimes.

    By the same token, if you permanently confined all “sane” people, you would sentence 95 innocent people to Life imprisonment, to prevent 5 violent crimes.

    Your justification for the PERMANENT IMPRISONMENT OF 92 INNOCENT people, is those THREE additional crimes prevented. And you call the schizophrenics “crazy”?!

    So, to prevent 8 violent crimes, all you have to do is sentence 92 innocent people to LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT PAROLE; WITHOUT TRIAL; WITHOUT APPEAL; WITHOUT DEFENSE; WITHOUT CHARGE.

    Why not, then, prevent ALL violent crime by putting everyone in prison? (after all, everybody knows there’s no violence IN prison)

    What’s that? You don’t want to confine ALL schizophrenics? Just the one’s with “violent tendencies”? Such as assault?
    Aren’t they already confined when they commit a crime?

    You’re not talking about schizophrenics with a history of ACTUAL violence. Such violence is ALREADY criminal. ALREADY requires confinement. (p.s. just in case you don’t know, violent THREATS are criminal …. tortious, too.)

    By “violent tendencies”, you mean non-violent acts and speech indicative of violent thought. How many “sane” people say “violent” things? How many have ranted and raved when angry? How many do it, DAILY, on the internet? How many “sane” people have ever taken out their anger on an inanimate object? Are they given LIFE in prison? Should they be?

    What is being advocated is the permanent confinement for Schizophrenics who SAY (but don’t DO) “violent” things, but not for “sane” people who do the same.

    Things are not improved by reliance on the post hoc and circular argument that someone is “crazy” BECAUSE they committed a certain crime. This type of argument is FALLACIOUS. That is, the entire premise of the argument to confine the mentally ill to prevent more “Newtown’s” is logically flawed.

    Still, “spotlighting” certain events, and begging the question after the fact will convince many “sane” people to agree to permanently confine the mentally ill. If their support for permanently confining the mentally ill is based on faulty logic; then it is — by definition — IRRATIONAL.

    Now who’s crazy?

    Nevertheless, “SOMETHING MUST be done”, right?
    Well, let me add that there is a much stronger correlation between schizophrenia and violence when substance abuse is added to the mix.
    Additionally, there is a very strong correlation between “sane” people and violence when substance abuse is involved.
    I have a solution which is more consistent with both fact and logic than the permanent confinement of all mentally ill persons.
    Permanently confine everyone who EVER drinks alcohol or uses any “recreational” drug. That’s right, LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT PAROLE; WITHOUT TRIAL; WITHOUT APPEAL; WITHOUT DEFENSE; WITHOUT CHARGE.
    (No, I’m not serious; it’s a valid reductio. But even as a serious argument, it’s sounder than your’s.)

    There is a crime in this country — and THIS country particularly — that is worse than all others. Worse than murder. Worse than rape. It is the imprisonment, by the State, of an innocent man.

    And you propose to do it multiple times over, in perpetuity.

    Frankly, even if 99 of 100 schizophrenics committed violent crimes; what you suggest would still be evil, as it would permanently imprison one innocent man.

    NOTE: I didn’t even broach the subject of race as it relates to percentage of violent crime committed; but you should be aware that if this illogical and EVIL argument succeeds, it will set the precedent — logically, and INEVITABLY — for the imprisonment of all black people. This is why there is a VALID Slippery Slope argument to be made against this push to “Institutionalize”. Go on, say it. Say, “That could never happen here”.

    But we can at the very least make evil’s job more difficult.

    Fight evil with evil, eh? Sweet. :em01:

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    This is happening where I come from,

    UPDATE ON REIDLAND SCHOOL CLOSING: The McCracken County Sheriff and one of his investigators met with the author of the letter, a juvenile, and the teenager’s parents.

    We’ve already had one school shooting there, in 97, Heath High School.

    An update,

    Paducah Sun Publisher Jim Paxton tells WPSD Local 6 that when his reporter called the Sheriff’s office after receiving the letter from a Reidland HS student–the Sheriff’s office responded that they have known about the threat for a couple of weeks. WPSD Reporter Lauren Adams will interview Sheriff Jon Hayden today at 1 p.m. This story continues to develop.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Penance @ #:

    You bring up a lot of good points. I should know, because I brought most of them up myself in the post which wasn’t about how we really ought to start locking up mentally defective people, but how something that seems to make sense inevitably leads to a giant clusterfuck of a miscarriage of justice once the government gets its incompetent hands involved. I quote myself:

    It will start with only bug shit raving maniacs being locked away, something with which I doubt anybody can disagree, but before you know it the definition of “dangerous to society” will expand to anybody who might pad the case load numbers of the agency in charge. More funding, more jobs. Pretty soon anybody who ever said “fuck this world, let it burn” over a drink at the local bar would have his or her rights revoked for the common good if anybody reported it. Next would be anybody questioning the justice system, anybody expressing doubts about the alleged wisdom of the government, anybody even cracking a fucking joke within earshot of an informer.

    I’m sorry if I didn’t make that quite clear enough, but I do tend to get rather long winded at times so it may have ended up buried in there :)

    In short: You and I are in full agreement. The “lock the crazies up” is a perfect example of one of those instances where something that sounds good to people who, while naive, have the best of intentions gets enacted only to send us all flying down a slippery slope to Hell.

    If our health care system for the mentally ill needs reform, and I do believe that it does, then it’s not reform in the shape of “let’s force everybody who we think might possibly maybe perhaps one day commit an awful crime”, we should instead acknowledge the fact that we don’t even have facilities right now to help those who seek help in struggling with their condition and do something about that.

    It still won’t protect us against the rare loners who unpredictably, without any warning signs, suddenly go nuts, but there is no defense against that short of, as you say, locking up everybody. Which is patently absurd, of course.

    Well, except making it easier for those prospective victims to defend themselves when the worst happens. We could start by putting an end to “Gun Free Zones”.
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Sir Intellectual Conservative 5th Columnist says:

    I almost did not reply to this as it hits really close to home. One other person here knows about this, and as I can give personal witness to this I’m hoping my experience will be enlightening.

    I can attest to this one, oh yes I can …

    IC5…been there too…my ex kept me from my daughter by false claims for FOUR YEARS !!

    My best advice…get a GOOD lawyer, stay sane and contact “Fathers 4 Justice” . They really helped me.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    “Gun Free Zones”

    Don’t you mean “Free Victim Zones” ??
    And my workplace is one for the employees. So they think….

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    LC LOBO @ #:

    I’m going for the jugular, legally. As I said to a good friend of mine, I likened it to Gotterdammerung as a legal strategy :)

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    We can’t eliminate evil. It’s part of the human condition.

    Sure we can. Follow the lead of the Left – simply declare evil to be good, then liquidate any heretics who say otherwise or who are insufficiently ardent in their support of the new normal.

    The Left wants utopia, and utopia always leads to mass killings.

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    Penance growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha,
    I’m glad to hear it & I’m sorry for jumping the gun. It just that I’ve been seeing the argument for universal permanent institutionalization quite a lot llately. Since the shootings in Aurora, Colorado. And it’s been ramped up unbelievably since Friday.

    The most disturbing part is that it has come mostly from allegedly conservative parts of the blogosphere, rather than from the socialist parts.

    I have a cousin with schizophrenia, and he’s as harmless as human beings come. Much more harmless than many so-called “sane” people I’ve met.

    God help the person who comes to imprison my cousin, because I’ll be there with him … waiting for whoever comes.

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    GhostMERR growls and barks:

    I agree about the only sure thing we can do is to give teachers the option to arm themselves. I’ve read that Adam, supposedly, had asperger’s syndrome which I have and I don’t like to think that people will judge me differently because of that connection and it does bother me sometimes. I guess that everyone at Sandy Hook never would’ve expected that a shooter would look for targets in an Elementary School so he caught the whole school unprepared, next time they won’t have to be if they arm themselves. Blaming things on guns, violent video games, movies is just fluff from the usual suspects but I do believe that vigilance is more important to prepare for the unexpected.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    I don’t know about you good people, but I needed this — a flash mob in Fayetteville, North Carolina, overwhelms a soldier with their welcome home.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jJyq69TWug

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    There is something afoot, gang.

    Cheaper Than Dirt! suspended all online firearms sales today.
    WalMart removed the Bushmaster M4 carbine from their website today.
    Dick’s Sporting Goods announced they would no longer sell AR-15 rifles today.
    Academy Sports pulled all AR-15 rifles from their shelves today.
    Cerberus, the owner of Freedom Group (Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS, TAPCO, et. al.) announced they are selling the Bushmaster division today.
    Bud’s Gun Shop, the nation’s largest online gun shop, went dark today.
    … and the NRA announced it would hold a major news conference Friday, today.

    This administration is about to run rough-shod over the 2nd Amendment, showing that they have no more regard for it than they do for the rest of the Constitution.
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    readerjp growls and barks:

    This is the best thing I’ve read so far on the topic.

    For the left, the primary reason for just about all American gun murders is the availability of guns.

    The moral values and the conscience of nations as well as individuals seem to play almost no role in the left’s understanding of human behavior.

    And because leftist thinking dominates American society — from elementary through graduate school and in virtually all the print and electronic news media — there is one view that almost never gets a hearing: that the primary reason for gun violence in America is not gun ownership, but the lack of a functioning moral conscience.

    Lack of conscience is the problem both for individuals and for nations. Among nations the problem is nuclear (and all other) weapons in the hands of bad regimes. And among Americans the problem is guns in the hands of bad people.

    This is so obvious that one has to be propagandized his whole life by leftism not to immediately understand it. But leftism is the religion of the west, the most dynamic religion in the world for the last century.

    Does one reader of this column — including individuals on the left — fear being massacred by a decent person? Of course not.

    Then why isn’t our emphasis on character development and the teaching of right and wrong?

    Why is this never mentioned on the left? Why are guns, not the conscience, the root issue for the left?

    We are lead to believe after almost every massacre that the murderer “snapped” or had mental problems. Why? Because it implies that the murderer was not morally responsible for what he did. We are told, for example, that Adam Lanza, who by all accounts was a brilliant student, suffered from a form of autism. Even if true, why is that important? Statistically, I would bet that those with autism commit far fewer violent crimes than the rest of population. Autistic people, like everyone else, can be taught the difference between right and wrong. My stepson is autistic, and is not capable of attending regular school (much less honors classes) or driving a car, things that Adam Lanza did fully normally. But my stepson is keenly aware of right and wrong, and believes that God punishes people who commit evil.

    Want to know a major cause of criminal violence in America? Try leftism’s denial of the importance of moral values among nations and individuals; its systematic destruction of character education; and its elimination of God as the source of moral law.

    Not guns.

    http://jewishworldreview.com/1212/prager121812.php3#.UNERLGfRdGM

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Penance says:

    Emperor Misha,
    I’m glad to hear it & I’m sorry for jumping the gun.

    Don’t be, man, no harm no foul. As I said, sometimes my actual point gets a bit buried in my long windedness, and when it’s a hair trigger issue for you, it’s understandable.

    I was employing the old writer’s model of “come on, this sounds perfectly reasonable!” followed by “and this is why it’s NOT.” I guess the latter part got a bit muddy :)

    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E. says:

    There is something afoot, gang.

    Cheaper Than Dirt! suspended all online firearms sales today.
    WalMart removed the Bushmaster M4 carbine from their website today.
    Dick’s Sporting Goods announced they would no longer sell AR-15 rifles today.
    Academy Sports pulled all AR-15 rifles from their shelves today.
    Cerberus, the owner of Freedom Group (Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS, TAPCO, et. al.) announced they are selling the Bushmaster division today.
    Bud’s Gun Shop, the nation’s largest online gun shop, went dark today.

    Optimistic “let’s all calm down right now” view: They’re just keeping a low profile right now to avoid shit hitting their personal fans until it blows over. And Cerberus are going to regret bitterly that they let go of that particular golden egg-laying goose, because sales are fricking skyrocketing. My guess is that they’ll somehow “not find any acceptable offers” and announce that once the hysteria has passed.

    … and the NRA announced it would hold a major news conference Friday, today.

    They pretty much have to, don’t they? They’ve been bombarded with demands, demands dammit, that they immediately issue a statement from the usual leftist thug tyrants and the EneMedia from day one, but they’ve wisely (unlike the same EneMedia, who’ve been doing their usual vulture bit and pissed on victims, jumping to conclusions and whatnot in pursuit of better ratings) decided to hold off until all the facts are in and everybody has had a chance to engage their brain group housing. Good for them.

    But I’ll most certainly be listening, very very carefully, to what they’ll say. I was going to renew my membership today, but I guess I can hold off until after Friday. Just saying, is all.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E. says:

    This administration is about to run rough-shod over the 2nd Amendment, showing that they have no more regard for it than they do for the rest of the Constitution.

    Of that there was never any doubt. All of us have known from the day Barack Hussein was sworn in that it was only a matter of time.

    The real question is whether he’s criminally insane enough to think that he can get away with it on this particular issue.

    I hope that he is, because it will end his second term of Blight and Damnation before it even gets started.
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    Emperor Misha I says:

    Optimistic “let’s all calm down right now” view: They’re just keeping a low profile right now to avoid shit hitting their personal fans until it blows over.

    I hope you’re right. I’m not sure how many more days like today, with customers flooding our phone lines, emails and web chat accusing us of caving in on the 2nd Amendment, I can take. The gun community at large HATES us right now, and are expressing that hatred loudly.

    For the first time since I started work at CTD, I dread going to work in the AM.
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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    This administration is about to run rough-shod over the 2nd Amendment, showing that they have no more regard for it than they do for the rest of the Constitution.

    While they just might get their way, I swear, as I stand here before God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, that I won’t be breathing when it happens.

    Make of that what you will.

    Not one inch further. Not one damn inch. No more “waiting for the rigged courts to knife us in the back,” no more “electing useless Republican Mushes to surrender,” no more “hoping against all hope,” (and good, sound judgement), that this un-fixable fucked-up mess is going to some-how get un-fucked by using a system deliberately rigged to destroy us.

    Not one damn inch further will I suffer tyrants.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Sir M – Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E. says:

    I hope you’re right. I’m not sure how many more days like today, with customers flooding our phone lines, emails and web chat accusing us of caving in on the 2nd Amendment, I can take. The gun community at large HATES us right now, and are expressing that hatred loudly.

    These are emotional times. I don’t hate you. I understand that you have to batten down the hatches for a bit while this frothing madness subsides, although I wish that your corporate masters would have the guts to stand up and shout “fuck you asshole tyrant motherfuckers.”

    Because they’re not scoring any points with their customers, and no matter how understandable, that sort of thing is going to leave a bad taste in the mouthes of those customers even after the shit is over and it’s business as usual.

    Just hang in. Those customers will be shouting, swearing and cussing at you, but it’s not really you they’re venting at. You just happen to be the one on the other end of the phone line and they can’t get the CEO to pick up.

    I know, because I work in customer relations as well. When my company does something unreasonable, I just happen to be the one my customers can shout at. Most of them, once I’ve talked to them for a bit, even tell me that. “I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to yell at you, but I’m just so pissed off right now.” And I always reply with the truth: “I know, and don’t worry about it. I understand and I WILL pass your frustration on to those responsible, I WILL let them know the consequences of their actions because I owe that to you.”
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    rickn8or growls and barks:

    Intellectual Conservative 5th Columnist, sorry you’re having such a problem with your soon-to-be-ex. MY (going on 19-year) ex accused me of giving her breast cancer. “Caused by stress.” (Well I suppose carrying a grudge for 30+ years instead of dealing with it like an adult MIGHT be a little stressful.) Yeah, I’m the crazy one in the relationship.

    One day, it will all be over, and she will truly be your ex- and you’ll ask yourself “What the HELL was I thinking??”

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    GhostMERR says:

    I agree about the only sure thing we can do is to give teachers the option to arm themselves. I’ve read that Adam, supposedly, had asperger’s syndrome which I have and I don’t like to think that people will judge me differently because of that connection and it does bother me sometimes.

    I don’t like that either, not one little bit. I know a lot of people with Aspergers, and that is about as irrelevant to what he did as anything could be. I can think of quite a few psychological disorders that I’d worry about when it comes to mass murder, but Aspergers is definitely not one of them.

    But the regime needs a scapegoat.

    And fuck, if they can get a foot in the door making a completely harmless disorder grounds for “reeducation” and confinement, then they’re already halfway to the old Soviet model of locking up anybody criticizing the regime as “insane and dangerous.”

    The totalitarian thugs never change their stripes, we have thousands of years of history to prove it, but history isn’t being taught in school anymore. The leftist totalitarians took over that as well.

    Do the math.
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    rickn8or @ #:

    Um … I’ve asked myself that already for some time :)

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    GhostMERR growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #: (second time using the quotation system here)

    Thank you. I will also blame Adam for all the talk about autism because he was smart enough to completely mess up his computer’s harddrive making it harder to find out more about him. I also know that he had a personality disorder which was separated from his autism. Obviously the Obama administration are being goaded to do something about a non-existent gun control problem and I am sure that he may do something to address this beyond the obvious which is to arm the teachers in case another killer comes to a school. Doing that would be too easy and wouldn’t address any sociological scapegoats like video games and movies, the kinds of movies that may have actors and actresses who support the cause of Conservatism.

    Instead he’ll probably play into the Brady Groups hand and do some more regulations involving guns. Maybe he can also ban survivalist mentalities and whatever else is deemed “dangerous” to society. Sure we have fewer deaths of children, fewer actual shootings but that doesn’t matter when you are trying to clean up that imaginary spot on your hand.

    [Post addition, which I normally don't do, but for some reason my idiotic spam filter keeps dropping you in the spam bucket until I or anybody else on the Staff can release it. It will clear up as I teach that daft software algorithm that you're NOT spam, but just bear with me and the system for the time being, please. And welcome to the Rott. We're all glad to have you! -- Emperor Misha]

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    Emperor Misha I says:

    Because they’re not scoring any points with their customers, and no matter how understandable, that sort of thing is going to leave a bad taste in the mouthes of those customers even after the shit is over and it’s business as usual.

    LOL..you want to know the silliest part of the whole thing?

    In the history of the company, gun sales online only came about relatively recently, within the last five or six years. When I first started doing business with CTD, they didn’t sell guns, only parts, accessories, ammo, etc. Now the product line has expanded to include most outdoor sports, camping, fishing, water sports, etc. Because of their “minimum mark-up” policies, most guns were offered at only about 5 percent over our cost. Sure, more popular items had a little more markup. Capitalism at work, right?

    The gun store I took people to during RottFest doesn’t even belong to us. It’s a completely separate business that leases space in our building.

    CTD bills themselves as an “outdoor outfitter”, not as a “gun store”. Yesterday, we sold guns, and did about $2.1 million in gross sales.

    Today, we didn’t sell guns, and did about $2 million in gross sales, despite a “Boycott CTD” page on Facebook that gained over 10K “likes” in less than 12 hours. And we’ve got new product distributors we haven’t even brought online yet.

    So yeah, regardless of what the Odumbo administration does, the company will survive.

    In the meantime, the guys and gals in the Call Center, Product Tech and Content are being abused like crazy, despite being a bunch of the most pro-2A people you’ll ever meet. Most of them, in fact, are sitting in their cubicles with a legal concealed weapon. (Yes, we are allowed to carry at work. as long as we have a valid Texas CHL.) So maybe with this the word will get out a little bit. Maybe people will stop and think a little before taking it out on people that are just working for a living.

    But more likely, probably not. And I still dread going to work in the morning.
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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    This administration is about to run rough-shod over the 2nd Amendment, showing that they have no more regard for it than they do for the rest of the Constitution.

    While they just might get their way, I swear, as I stand here before God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, that I won’t be breathing when it happens.

    Make of that what you will.

    Not one inch further. Not one damn inch. No more “waiting for the rigged courts to knife us in the back,” no more “electing useless Republican Mushes to surrender,” no more “hoping against all hope,” (and good, sound judgement), that this un-fixable fucked-up mess is going to some-how get un-fucked by using a system deliberately rigged to destroy us.

    Not one damn inch further will I suffer tyrants.

    Is it wrong that this comment gave me a woody ??

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC LOBO says:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:
    “Gun Free Zones”
    Don’t you mean “Free Victim Zones” ??
    And my workplace is one for the employees. So they think….

    I prefer the term Criminal Empowerment Zone.

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    We can’t eliminate evil. It’s part of the human condition. But we can at the very least make evil’s job more difficult.

    I haven’t even started on the comments yet, just went straight to the comment form because that boiled it down to absolute purity.
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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    rickn8or @ #:

    One day, it will all be over, and she will truly be your ex- and you’ll ask yourself “What the HELL was I thinking??”

    I once had it explained to me that the proper way to evaluate any romantic relationship is simple: Is the fucking you’re getting worth the fucking you’re getting?

    Seems pretty accurate to me.

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    Fa Cube Itches @ #

    Truth be told, her brother and law and sister told me this the day my daughter was born:

    “When we met you last Christmas .. had we known you were such a nice guy we’d have told you to run like hell. We almost did anyway but the rest of the family told us we’d never be invited to family get togethers again if we did.”

    Short version .. they wanted to lose the mental one. :em08:

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    L.O.R. Ankle biter growls and barks:

    Tallulah @ #:
    It got very dusty in here and I couldn’t see it, all I could do was listen to the singing.