People (Meaning Us Too) Are Stupid At Times

Sorry for the confusion, seeing as how this post appears below the post containing a comment to which I am responding.

I wanted Crunchie’s December 7th post on top, because that’s what’s important today and I didn’t want to derail the comments there by going off-topic. What? Me following my own ‘rules?’ Horsemen of the Apocalypse, I tell you!

So what am I talking about? I’m going a bit meta here, but what triggered it was that LC Light29ID mentioned that Korean ‘rapper’ PSY ‘oppan gangnam style’ once, it has just been discovered, made a ‘rap’ that featured some truly vile, insulting and disgraceful lyrics directed at us ‘fucking Yankees’.

And LC Light29ID is absolutely right, those lyrics are vile beyond anything I can come up with in less than three minutes and I offer no excuses for them. They’re just plain wrong. Insulting, offensive, vile and downright full on blood red curtain of rage disgusting. I need to put that up front lest anybody thinks that I’m saying something that I’m definitely not. There are no excuses for that that will make them somehow even remotely ‘OK’ and he’ll have to own responsibility for those lyrics in full, because nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to utter them.

And then I read this article or, more accurately, the comments to the article illustrating what was going on at the time he wrote that reprehensible load of disgusting garbage, which was that a U.S. bridge laying tank crew had accidentally run over a couple of South Korean school girls. Not intentionally, obviously, and they were tried by a court martial for their alleged negligence, but you still had two Korean girls dead at the end of the day.

And so I thought to myself: OK, imagine I’d been a Korean at that time. Just how would I feel at that moment? Absent logic, because there is nothing logical about human response to tragedy when the tragedy is fresh in your mind. Would I have been pissed off, outraged, mad as hell, dying to post a three-page screed or just about doing anything to get that anger out of my system without a second’s thought to ‘just the facts, Ma’am’?

You bet I would. And you know that I would too, if you’ve been around here for more than a couple of weeks.

Anger is a powerful force, an unstoppable one and a force for good if it’s reined in appropriately and controlled, but it’s also a fearsome power that can lead you far astray if you let it master you rather than bending it to your will. I should know. I have posted things on this site that, upon reflection once I’d had a chance to think it over, most of the time thanks to you, my dear readers, pointing out to me that I was being an industrial grade asshole, I decided that I’d gotten completely and totally wrong. It’s not fun to find out that you’re a normal human being with pathetic flaws, but it does make you grow.

Many of you will remember, and that’s one of the milder examples, my full on hate boner and howling screed directed at the entire profession of auto mechanics because a shop had fucked up a repair job (which they later fixed, by the way), something that does happen in the real world. Sometimes things don’t quite pan out and then you fix them. But oh no. I was stressed out, angry, breathing fire and spitting nails, so everybody who ever lifted a Snap-On was a bitch ass whore because I’d had a bad experience with one of them.

I was wrong then, I am still wrong about it now and I will forever be wrong about that particular incident, I’m never going to pretend that I wasn’t an asshole about it, because I was. And a lot of you gearheads out there pulled no punched in telling me, and I owe you for that, because I needed to learn just how much of a fuckwad I was at that time.

And that was over a fucking invoice. Granted, an invoice that I couldn’t really afford at the time, but it was still only money. For that I was willing, in my irrational anger, to throw an entire profession to the wolves and curse them forever. I mean, nobody actually died. There weren’t two mangled bodies of school girls involved. So I’m in no position to condemn, right off the bat, somebody else for being a complete retard in his reaction to something infinitely worse than what I was going through.

I got carried away, I forgot to engage my brain before speaking, I own that. I can’t escape that, nor should I be allowed to. I was called to account for that and, thank you again for that because I really don’t need to be more of a dick than I already am, and I found myself wanting.

So I have to think, in all fairness: Was Psy’s disgusting ‘rap’ another example of the same?

I don’t know. It’s not an excuse, nothing can excuse what he said, you can’t un-ring a bell and I sure as fuck am not ever going to attempt to justify what he said back then, but I would be very, very interested to know how he feels about that pile of trash today.

And yes, he needs to be called on it. He needs to own it, just like the rest of us have to own our mistakes, if it was a mistake indeed. Then, but not until then, can we start working on forgiveness, if any is to be had.

Will the media call him on it?

Don’t hold your breath. He was demonizing the U.S. military, and that’s like catnip to the EneMedia whores, but I would, personally, really like to hear what he has to say.

Thatisall.

22 comments

  1. 1
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Obama still plans to attend concert featuring anti-American ‘Gangnam Style’ singer PSY

    Again, we as a generation not as a country, deserve the wrath of our forefathers. Most civilized people, after finding this out, would do the right thing but as I wrote (which I’ll copy and post here and delete on Crunches post to keep the flow) we don’t have the manners that God gave a chimp.

    From earlier:

    I ask the question because two generations away from the “Greatest Generation” we have created an America that is not worth one ounce the blood and toil that our forefathers went through. All those generations thought that what they were doing and sacrificing was for their children only to see their children suffer their own heartbreaks.

    The Pilgrims suffered famine alone in the wilderness so that their children would have religious freedom.
    Their children were the ones who by blood forged a civilization out of a wilderness that fought the French and Indians.
    Their children were the ones who would initiate a revolution that severed its ties to the Old Country forever and was given no chance of making it.
    Their children were the ones who pushed West, led by Lewis and Clark that led to the 2000 mile migration over the Oregon Trail with only a couple of oxen, a wagon and the hope of a new life and nothing else.
    They then had watch in horror their children slaughter each other at Antietam, The Wilderness, Fredericksberg, Gettysburg and Cold Harbor and then tame and open the West.
    The veterans of the Civil War watched their children, along with millions of emigrants with nothing but the clothes on their backs, turn America from a backward agrarian society into a industrial colossus unrivaled since the glory days of Rome with steel, electricity, oil, copper, iron, finance and inventions unleashed unknown since the time of da Vinci.
    They then, in turn, watched in horror their children endure a Depression, Dust Bowl and then have to pick up a rifle and crush murderous tyrants all over the globe and then bring peace to world that had only known war for thousands of years to rise up and earn the “the Greatest Generation”.

    But yet the dream that our forefathers had was make it better for my children was never realized until the last 50 years. And what do we have to show for 300 years of blood, toil and heartache? The only thing that our generation can point to is we went to the moon and even then it wasn’t a danger shared by an entire generation but a select few. But we can point to a narcissistic, cold, ungrateful bunch of bastards that isn’t even deserving to have the freedoms that were handed down from one bloody hand to the next. They looked at that bloody piece of paper and said “eeewwww gross” and walked away to check their iPads for directions to welfare office and schedule their next abortion while our masters annihilate the future of the next ten generations with the same cold thought process as the Humidor.

    The conclusion that I’ve come to is that our children can never have it “better that we did”. In order for us to keep, cherish and protect our freedoms each generation must endure its own test of blood and heartache. We may not be guilty individually of the deeds of our generation but as a collective whole we share the blame that is, in some ways, akin to the guilt shared forever by every German in the last 60 years. We’re guilty of our own hubris.

    Every previous generation had to be reminded that what we have was a gift because they had to suffer as a generation. What we have running around now are nothing more than spoiled little brats who need the shit beat out them and are neither deserving or entitled to the freedoms that we have.

    I just don’t see any other way.

  2. 2
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Well that shit didn’t work…

  3. 3
    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Enh, just clip him and leave him in the street. Sometimes, people need object lessons about being poseur thugs. As Gene from Layer Cake said: “This is what playing at being a gangster gets you.”

    But then again, I’ve been accused of being a sentimentalist.

  4. 4
    single stack growls and barks:

    while our masters annihilate the future of the next ten generations with the same cold thought process as the Humidor.

    Huh? Do you mean Holodomor?

  5. 5
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    single stack @ #:

    :em07: yeah I did

  6. 6
    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Whatever-his-name-is says he’s sorry.

    “As a proud South Korean who was educated in the United States and lived there for a very significant part of my life, I understand the sacrifices American servicemen and women have made to protect freedom and democracy in my country and around the world. The song I featured on in question from eight years ago — was part of a deeply emotional reaction to the war in Iraq and the killing of two Korean schoolgirls that was part of the overall antiwar sentiment shared by others around the world at that time. While I’m grateful for the freedom to express one’s self, I’ve learned there are limits to what language is appropriate and I’m deeply sorry for how these lyrics could be interpreted. I will forever be sorry for any pain I have caused by those words.”

    I ask is he sorry that he did it, or just sorry that he got caught ? :em03:

  7. 7
    LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd growls and barks:

    LC LOBO @ #6:

    I ask is he sorry that he did it, or just sorry that he got caught ?

    Yep.

    I can understand and excuse stupid, youthful indiscretions as well as the next person, having been stupid, young and indiscrete myself once. However, when you get up on stage before an audience and begin spouting those stupid, youthful indiscretions for pay, I draw the line.

    Let him donate the profits of a concert or three to benefit the wounded and their families. Then I’ll take his apology seriously.

    I have posted things on this site that, upon reflection once I’d had a chance to think it over, most of the time thanks to you, my dear readers, pointing out to me that I was being an industrial grade asshole,

    Perhaps, Emperor. But you’re our industrial grade asshole.

  8. 8
    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd @ #:
    That’s what I’m thinking.

  9. 9
    NR Pax growls and barks:

    I’m going to be the voice of dissent here for a couple of reasons. First, as Misha pointed out, Psy was angry about the accidental killing of those two young ladies and that was his method of expression. Hell, I’ve seen worse tirades here on any given day.

    Second is the apology. Psy could have brushed this off and his sales probably wouldn’t have been hurt too badly. And yes, there is a chance that this is a PR move brought about by him learning just how quick someone who is popular can be brought down. But he did apologize. And after reading the text of it, I noticed that he didn’t try weaseling out of it. He didn’t go down the path of “Sorry that you were too stupid to understand me” like most celebrities. So I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this.

  10. 10
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Will the media call him on it?

    Yes, a lot of them are right now. Even Mike Malloy hammered him last night on the radio — and if it bothered Malloy, you know that hell has frozen over.

    Here is MY unsolicited take on this.

    If you were reading the words today for the first time, then yes, it is a very despicable song. But the song isn’t new, and it came out of an incident several years ago that caused this artist to respond in this way. In the period since, he has not performed the song, nor does he even promote it any longer. He has come forward to apologize, taking full responsibility for his feelings back then, while stressing those aren’t his feelings now.

    People make mistakes. They even change their attitudes. The things they hate in the past they love now and vise versa.

    We are the sum of our parts — the good, the bad, the whole package. None of us are perfect, we all have our imperfections and scars.

    I never heard of this guy before Gannam Style started assaulting my ears.and causing me to break out in dance swiftly change the channel of whatever station I hear it on. I don’t really care to know much more, either. He has gotten lucky with this particular “song” by making $millions on it. If he just goes away after this, I will be happy.
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    People make mistakes. They even change their attitudes. The things they hate in the past they love now and vise versa.

    Were you this forgiving with W. over the ONE DUI he had gotten some twenty or so years before he ran for president? :em05: IIRC, that was one of your front-and-center arguing points. And before you say, well, the Korean guy ISN’T running for president…makes no difference.

    It’s funny that our side is always expected to be model citizens, paragons of virture, while the leftists can be as scummy, raunchy, and douchebaggy as possible, but are very seldom called on it.

  12. 12
    LC Draco growls and barks:

    Youthful transgressions are one thing….advocating the killing of American personnel or making comments about the troops in a public arena and making money off of it….Not even CLOSE to being the same thing.

    And public expression still has it’s consequences….ask the Dixie Chicks.
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  13. 13
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. @ #11:

    I know that it is probably a difficult concept for you to understand, but there is NOWHERE in my comment above that said I approved of what the guy said.

    Secondly, I firmly believe that a person who drives while drunk should go to prison for at least vehicular assault. That is a FAR fucking cry from putting out a song that until now nobody has really hear (nor even understood unless they speak Korean) about how pissed off the guy was about America’s involvement in the Iraq war.

    Third, this guy has apologized for something he said. Bush on the other hand has done everything he could to minimize his DUI.

    Now you might ask why I am so down on people who drink under the influence. In the past four years I have had to console six friends who have lost a wife, a daughter two sons and a couple of parents when some selfish fucking assholes decided to drink themselves silly and get behind the wheel of a fucking car. I have even been on a ride-along with the State Patrol and witnessed first hand where a woman had too much to drink one night and got on the freeway going the wrong direction and killed two college students. (she got two years in prison) I am still haunted by the carnage that night.

    So no, I am NOT forgiving of GW Bush for his “ONE” DUI — because he suffered no consequences for his actions.

    And seriously, Skye? Even YOU seem to want to minimize his DUI by saying it was only “one”. It only takes one to completely ruin the lives of many. Statistically, if he was caught only once, the chances are that he had been driving drunk scores of times before that.

    It’s funny that our side is always expected to be model citizens, paragons of virture, while the leftists can be as scummy, raunchy, and douchebaggy as possible, but are very seldom called on it.

    And this isn’t about “your side” or “our side”. YOU are the one who wants to make that division, I don’t. But I have NO problem pointing out the hypocrisy when someone tries to pass themselves off as “moral” or the “paragon of virtue” only to find out that they have been molesting under-aged boys or having affairs. Or how about a preacher who makes it a religious mission to speak out and condemn homosexuality, only to find out that he has been doing meth and boinking another man? (Ted Haggard would be a great example…) It isn’t so much the act that they got caught for, as much as how it flies in the face of what they have been publicly condemning others for. It is exactly why I have contempt for the Catholic Church as an institution. It isn’t the followers of the faith, it is the people in power I have a problem with. The ones who perpetrate crimes against children and their superiors who choose to cover those acts up — and then go out and condemn others for “going against god”.

    I didn’t mean to make this about GW Bush or my utter contempt for people who drive drunk — you struck a cord there by trying to compare apples to oranges.

    Getting back to Pye, it is not MY place to “forgive” him either. That would be up to the US soldiers to decide whether they want to or not. He offended them, not me.
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  14. 14

    DJ Allyn says:

    Third, this guy has apologized for something he said. Bush on the other hand has done everything he could to minimize his DUI.

    Any comments on Ted Kennedy?

  15. 15
    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    I know that it is probably a difficult concept for you to understand,

    Do you always have to be such a condescending prick?

    If you can’t bother to have a conversation with me otherwise, then forget it.

  16. 16
    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Third, this guy has apologized for something he said. Bush on the other hand has done everything he could to minimize his DUI.

    I find myself in agreement with Misha, that we ALL have indiscretions and mistakes in our lives. Psy did a fucked up song — if he’s not promoting it or performing it any more, honestly, that’s good enough for me. I don’t even need the apology. Same thing with Bush, DJ. Yes, drunk driving is wrong, but fortunately nothing worse came out of it. Does that excuse it? No. Does that mean that every day for his entire political career, Bush must beg the forgiveness of the public for some youthful stupidity? No. He had a DUI once, and it was some dumb shit, can we move along now?

    Ted Kennedy is a different story. His drunken incident involved a death. That’s the sort of thing that, in older days, someone might fall on their own sword for doing. You might say Bush was just as bad, because his drunk driving COULD have resulted in death. But it didn’t, and so they are not the same, no matter how one tries to equivocate them. Besides, not that I care much for Bush, but I still think he’d have had the strength of character to try and save the woman’s life if he had been in that situation, rather than just walk away.

    And let me be honest. I drove drunk once, too, when I was younger. I didn’t get caught, I didn’t cause any damage (except to my own lawn). It was stupid, and I’ll never do it again. I’ve been considering getting into local politics lately, does this mean I need to get on a podium and say “I’m sorry, everyone, for driving drunk when I was 22, for shoplifting a pack of gum when I was 13, for smoking weed in my early 20s, and for farting on that crotchety old man in the elevator last week (he did deserve it though), and for getting a timeout in kindergarten… etc..” Or, do I simply respond to someone when they make an issue out of it. “No, you moron, driving drunk is wrong and it was a dumb mistake, thank God nobody got hurt. Can we move on, now?”

    We expect sainthood from our politicians, but only if they are Republican, because the argument is so easy. “You’re a hypocrit, you say premarital sex is wrong, but you just fucked a girl last week.” The democrats don’t have strong values, generally, and thus calling them out on things like chronic infidelity or driving women off piers is less effective of a political weapon.

    But you miss the most important point of all, Deej. Right-wing, Judeo-Christian, American values are, essentially ideals you should TRY to live up to, and there’s nothing wrong in saying so even if you fail to live up to them. The entire argument is based on the fact that you CAN’T be perfect. You should try to be, but no matter what, you will fall short of that. What skeletons are in your closet, Deej? What mistakes have you made? Have you apologized to the world for them, yet?

    And so we go on, eliminating candidates who, though human and thus flawed, are mostly decent folk… and replace them with people who have political or social connections necessary to bury their skeletons a lot better?

  17. 17
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    O/T but good

    Murder by President
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUzzyXVD3aE

    Hey Boss, what ever happened to the weekend open threads??????????????????????????????????????????????????

  18. 18
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says:

    Any comments on Ted Kennedy?

    Well, aside from breaking my rule about talking bad about dead people, yes, the guy should have gone to prison. However, at the time, the laws were substantially different than they are now, so it was much easier for someone to get off with a slap on the wrist — especially a person of Kennedy’s station.

    Does it make it right? Legally, at the time it did, but morally? Of course not.

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Do you always have to be such a condescending prick?

    First you made the assumption that I was okay with what Mr. Pye had done with his earlier song — and I am not. But then you tried to make the false equivalency by tying an actual crime in with someone’s verbal opinion. Not just any crime, but one that I personally have a big problem with. Now you probably didn’t know this, but I consider people who drive under the influence to be THE worst type of menace we have to deal with — and probably the most dangerous. At any given moment, you could be driving down the road minding your own business, and one of these selfish assholes could plow right into you or your loved ones.

    That doesn’t mean that I consider all offenders who drive intoxicated incapable rehabilitation and worthy of forgiveness, but it is a long hard road they have to go on before that can happen.

    But you get the idea here, or at least I hope you do. I don’t want to keep this on MY pet peeve.

    My short and non-condescending response to your earlier example would be “no, I am NOT as forgiving”. But then you would have not understood why not. I think I pretty much expressed it as much as I need to, alright?

    LC Xealot says:

    And let me be honest. I drove drunk once, too, when I was younger.

    Like I said, by the time a person is caught driving while intoxicated, it is most likely a routine thing for that person. It is like the guy who gets caught burglarizing someone’s house for the first time. It probably isn’t his FIRST time, just the first time he has been caught. (I seem to remember that a person gets away with burglary 7:1 times on average. A car thief gets away 30:1. For every time a child molester gets caught, he is likely to have committed over FIFTY acts. So the idea that the first time someone gets “caught” should be taken with a large grain of salt.

    My problem isn’t that Bush had a DUI, it is that he had a pretty big reputation as a drunk and never sought any treatment for it. Simply “praying away” something like that doesn’t work — he just remains a dry drunk until the next time he uses. I know that there are many people here who are “in the program” who can tell you the same thing — it isn’t something you can just put down.

    But put all of that aside, like Ted Kennedy’s thing, times were different when Bush got his DUI. They weren’t quite as tough on the crime as they are now, and Bush being connected probably didn’t hurt.

    And yes, fortunately nobody got hurt or killed when Bush drove drunk only because of pure luck and circumstance.

    Don’t get me wrong here, I don’t hate G W Bush because he got caught driving while intoxicated many years ago. I just don’t forgive him for doing so, that’s all.

    I don’t hate Pye for what HE said in some obscure song in Korean several years ago either. I don’t feel the need to forgive him either. But the comparison of the two is a false equivalency.
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  19. 19
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    Hey Boss, what ever happened to the weekend open threads?

    There IS an open thread for you.
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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    I’m still trying to figure out why anybody is surprised that a pudgy S Korean kid has or had any nasty thing to say about our troops in South Korea since hating on our troops is as Korean as Kimchi and Bulgogi since at least the seventies.

    At least until we talk about leaving the peninsula. :em05:

  21. 21
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Eh, I’ll give him a pass. That was a pretty ‘man up’ apology. “hey, that was wrong, and I’m sorry.”…

    More than you get out of most of those fucking hollywierd turds.

  22. 22
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    LC Roguetek @ #21:

    Yep.