Obituary For The GOP

This past November 6, the GOP after years of declining health and wanton negligence passed away and fell onto the ash heap of history, to itself join many of the very same ideologies that the electorate voted in. The entire system of side-stepping ever more to the left into a milquetoast ‘moderate’ party, was precipitated largely by the idea of trying to be “The Big Tent”, all things to all people just like the left’s identity politics. The loss was a stinging rebuke to the concept of Democrat-Lite. We told and begged them to stick with the First Principles of Conservatism but were rejected time and again as being “too extreme” to win, whatever the hell that means in the age of a full tilt Obama, Chicago Thug tyranny. Even our elected officials turned their backs to us in pursuit of their own lifetime employment and the sinecures of public office following the death. Three weeks later these cock-sniffers are ready to cave on taxes and any idea of the rejection of ObamaCare, as apparently the mourning period for political parties isn’t analogous to that of widowed humans. They should understand that Ogabe didn’t win a mandate, but he won and they don’t wish to gamble their fate with the Eeyores of the party and their constituents expecting them to hold steadfast, can be damned. As Mel Brook’s character in Blazing Saddles “Governor William J. LePetomane” said “Hey we’ve gotta keep our phony-baloney jobs you know?”, the folks with few exceptions that we hired to represent us have largely bought into this. If you can’t beat them, join them, screw the people back home I’ve gotta get re-elected in 2 years. The balanced approach to our deficits they babble about, are just that, balance an unsustainable debt on the backs of the folks still scratching out a living with their own sweat.

So the inside the beltway GOP gang has decided that they can hide behind saying that the people spoke and tax increases on the rich are really, really what they want so let’s renege on our pledges and do the “will of the people”. I invite them all to kindly go fornicate themselves with rusty sharpened instruments of maximum girth. Thank you so much for wobbling on this and I’m sure my grand-children will hate me for allowing what is undoubtedly going to happen to them having to pay for this lunacy.

Next look for the GOP to cave on the nomination of Susan Rice. We’re in for a damn tough ride with liberals being totally unafraid to use the race card against any criticism of blacks. These specious claims should be dismissed out of hand and ignored entirely by those it’s being directed at. These charges are right out of the Alinsky playbook telling the left to make the enemy live up to their own standards, that way they can be distracted responding defensively to charges to the contrary. The Republicans can be counted on to fall into this trap without fail and have been that way for decades. In a perfect world calling someone a racist should result in you needing dental attention from a fist hitting you in the mouth, but in the GOP sitzpinkler world we have to get our panties in a wad because they called us a bad name, meanwhile our laughing enemies get what they want for free while we’re defending ourselves.

Next up, look for the GOP to decide they need to moderate and let the left complete their plans to grant amnesty to some odd 10 or 20 million illegals. Again they’ll use the racist charge to pretzel the GOP up, while they cave to ‘prove’ they aren’t. The Hispanic vote never was about amnesty, they could give a shit about that, they come from third world shit holes for the free shit. Sure some of them will work, but at the same time they want every free nickle they can get from the taxpayers. The simple truth of the Hispanic vote, is that it will continue to be overwhelmingly democrat is about free shit. We can play panderer and go along with amnesty (and will), when what the bastards really want is gubmint money paid for by US. Amnesty won’t count for squat and sure as hell won’t flip Latinos to the right of the aisle. It’s fucking impossible for us to get their majority vote short of total abrogation of conservative principles regarding government handouts. It ain’t happening folks, and idiots like McCain, Kristol, Rove and others will come a-yammering with their ‘proof’ that the plan will work. It’s always worked before no?? The fact is we’ve lost the country. On November 6, 2012 America joined western Europe and voted themselves into servitude and impending fiscal disasters after another. Before Obamler leaves office we’ll have riots in the streets and be indistinguishable from Greece.

Who says there isn’t life after death? Although it might just be Cheyne-Stokes respiration and cardiac EMD making the corpse appear to breathe with an EKG trace, but ‘He’s dead Jim”. If you really, really don’t want to believe it, then think about the twattering about of Jeb Bush as the next presidential hopeful. Are you fucking kidding me? rLLy?

Any political party is dead when it no longer serves the interest of it’s adherents. The GOP is clearly disinterested in what their employers want. Their self-serving interests are just too strong an impulse to resist in the swamps of DC. We HAVE no representation in Washington and they WILL continue merrily playing at silly-buggers and raise taxes.

What happened in U.S. history when we the people saw “Taxation without representation” ???

It’s time for the Tea Party to rise up and come to it’s logical maturity as a legitimate political party. Left unsaid by the lying legacy media is that the Tea Party has appeal on both sides of the aisle already. The movement is pure to their intent and it isn’t necessary for it to reflexively support either established major party. The Tea Party is the pall-bearers of the dead and decaying GOP and will offer a real first principle choice for the Republic.

I think we’re past our earlier motto of “We came unarmed this time” and the obvious conclusion can be drawn.

Game ON-

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  1. 1
    single stack growls and barks:

    The country I swore allegiance to no longer exists. It was raped, strangled, and murdered by the people we hired to defend it.
    Two boxes are empty. One hasn’t been opened…yet.

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    BigDogg growls and barks:

    The problem is all of the nay-sayers, including those like Limbaugh and Hannity, who say that a 3rd party isn’t the way to go.

    I say fuck them. Some conservatives have battered-wife syndrome when it comes to the GOP … “it will get better if I just stick it out, things will change in time.” “Yeah, right bitch … now get me elected and then shut the fuck up.”

    A strong conservative 3rd party would immediately have 20-30% of the electorate. Once they start articulating conservatism the way it should be, they could gain another 5-10% easily.

    What that will do is leave the GOP corpse with no ground to call its own … they’ll be Democrat-lite, and it will be apparent to everyone. Within 10 years, the old GOP and its good ol’ boys die off and get absorbed into the Democrat party.

    What will be left is a leaner, meaner and more disciplined conservative party – one that has been unapologetic in sticking to its guns and saying what needs to be said, one that has a solid 40-50% base, and one that actually has a snowball’s chance of picking up more than a few “Reagan democrats” in every election cycle.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Which remains why I am an independent conservative…….now I am waiting for the UN to try to force their gun confiscation schemes. A civil war in all fifty states……and the idea of one house at a time with SWAT teams. Word does get around, and one thing I have learned….this is a huge country……blue helmets, open season, no limit…..domestic snitches and ass suckers to be dealt with….I’d hate them even more.
    Guess what that would do to our fragile economy?

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    LC & IB RightWingRocker growls and barks:

    It’s time for the Tea Party to rise up and come to it’s logical maturity as a legitimate political party.

    The time for a legitimate political party to replace the GOP has come and gone enough times to elect more liberal Republicans and Democrats than I can stomach. I even wrote platforms for 2008 and 2010.

    Sadly, there are still far too many conservatives trying to “save the party” they never had any influence in to begin with. Here are your choices these days:

    1. Vote for the Republican who says he’s for smaller government and delivers big government …

    2. Vote for the Democrat who says he’s for big government and delivers big government.

    Until there is a legitimate effort to put together a true party of limited government, conservatives have no options in any elections, save the few that include a real limited government guy. This happens, but only once is a blue moon.

    Get something real going, and you can count me in.

    I won’t be counting any chickens. Instead, I will be registering Libertarian and hoping for the best.

    RWR
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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    LC & IB RightWingRocker says:

    I will be registering Libertarian

    I would go that way too, but for Ron Paul. No matter how hard I try I cannot buy into his non-foreign policy. In the age of the internet and international jet travel, isolationism is a non-starter.

    There have indeed been many attempts to coalesce a strong third party, but building that from the ground up is the work of a generation. We’re talking starting out on school boards and such to get the experience in the game. Then moving up, obviously a slow laborious project in governance. I still say the Tea Party is viable, they are much stronger than anyone ever thought as demonstrated in 2010. They have some national level cooperation and organization that’s functional and they have a LOT of out and out members as well as folks with sympathetic feelings. It should be a snap to morph the party into something we could work with.
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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Ron Paul has great domestic policy. SOME of his foreign policy ideas have merit — most don’t.

    1. I like the idea of bringing back Letters of Marque and Reprisal and having nice, fat bounties on terrorists. I think this could be very productive. One of his good ideas.

    2. But this doesn’t REPLACE direct warfare and action. Which is where he loses me. I will grant him that we get involved too much, sometimes, in the politics of some toilet country. Quite frankly, sometimes it isn’t our problem. But Afghanistan had directly supported an attack on our country, they had to suffer the penalty. That’s the way it works. You kill us? We kill you back. It’s as much to deter a future enemy from attacking as much as it is to payback the enemy. Iraq was a little less justifiable — in my opinion we should have offed that bastard the first time around in Desert Storm — but we DO have interests in that region, and Saddam was being an asshole, and someone, somewhere in the “intelligence” community thought there were weapons of mass destruction involved, hell maybe there were and we just never found them. So I shed no tears for Saddam, and hey… sorry Iraq, but you didn’t off him yourselves, so we had to do it for you. That’s the way it works.

    Now, Libya? No. Fuck no. It was a conflict between two groups of assholes, both of whom hated us. Why were we involved? We should have been sitting back and enjoying the show — watching our enemies off themselves for a change. Then once one side or the other had won… we drop by with a Big Stick ™, like a Carrier battlegroup or two, wave it around a bit, and tell them to keep their brand of Crazy inside their own borders or we’ll bomb them back into the stone age. Then we go home.

    That’s the kind of foreign policy that works. Sorry Ron, I still would have voted for you over Obambi, if you’d won the nomination, but the Libertarians need to understand that our enemies understand force. Period. End of story. So sometimes we have to demonstrate that we do, indeed, have the balls to use it.

    And lastly.. Israel is a special case for us. Yeah, it’s an alliance that costs us more in material than it probably pays us back with. But even ignoring the fact that whether we like it or not, Militant Islam is at war with us (and Israel is at war with Militant Islam — an Enemy Mine situation)… it’s our only strategic foothold in the region. So if the Middle East ever COMPLETELY implodes, that’s our beachhead. Makes strategic sense to keep it open, right? And that doesn’t even begin to describe the human element…

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A says:

    I would go that way too, but for Ron Paul. No matter how hard I try I cannot buy into his non-foreign policy. In the age of the internet and international jet travel, isolationism is a non-starter.

    Those of his supporters whom I have run across make an insane asylum seem normal. Does his non-foreign policy include no embassies? If not, imagine Benghazi under Luap Nor. We pull all of our troops out of everywhere. An embassy gets attacked. There is NO ONE to rescue them (assuming we had a president (like Bill Whittle) with the cojones to rescue them).

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    LuckyLeo growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    The Tea Party is the last viable POLITICAL solution for a conservative movement.

    The GOP is dead and per the artlcle posted by FrankOK in the comments several days ago, they have been dead for a LONG time — at least 30 years.

    They lack the spine to fight because they have been suborned — probably via threats to reveal their past (and perhaps current) corrupt activities.

    They are utter cowards and frauds. The truth of the matter is that this country has been under one-party “rule” for a while as the GOP is in bed with their “opponents”.

    And that is why the Tea Party has been so feared and ridiculed. It is NOT under control by either party!

    However, their willingness to “reform” the GOP puts them at risk.

    So yeah, I am throwing my hat in the ring for the Tea Party — providing their cut their ties to the Republican Party and start the movement to make GOP obsolete. (Most likely the Democrats will absorb the remnants of the Party of Stupid anyway)

  9. 9
    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    I still think a split in the country might be a better option. Sometimes you have to amputate, you know?

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    LCSgtmech growls and barks:

    I’m afraid to say, that there is no longer a political OR peaceable means to reverse this decline. Every day these scum are in power, they procreate…like fucking rabbits on steroids. More programs, more stolen money, more promises….they all equal more votes. And with the apparent equal decline in intellect, there aren’t very many folk any more that actually give a shit.

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    single stack growls and barks:

    I won’t be counting any chickens. Instead, I will be registering Libertarian and hoping for the best.

    I tried the LP for a few years. It’s as full of clue-fucked assholes as the Evil Party.

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    LC hilljohnny growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Does his non-foreign policy include no embassies?

    i don’t know about Ron Paul’s opinion but why do we need embassies? pull out all U.S. personnel and turn the state department into a call center. if someone needs a visa to the U.S. they can use the internet.

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    Lockpick growls and barks:

    I have been giving the TEA Party and republican party a lot of thought recently. The current republican leadership and senior members have sold out completely. Hell, John McCain has had the maverick beaten out of him in the last couple of elections and now is willing to compromise on everything.

    We have two ways of going about it; 1 – Make the TEA Party a legit party by 2014 to win seats in the house and senate.

    or, 2 – Take over the republican party and make into the image of the TEA Party ideals. Starting now, at the local and state levels, remove the RINOs and make sure we nominate TEA Party adherents for the house and senate races. Make sure the republican precinct and county leaders are replaced with TEA Party members.

    We to participate in every meeting, call, rally, or whatever starting now. Volunteer as election judges and watchers. I have more thoughts, I just need to get them organized.

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Why don’t Real Conservatives win? We don’t have any MONEY!!! We have to make a living and run our family households which leaves little time for political activity. The enemy threatens and punishes all opposition 365-24/7. But the biggie is that the REAL Power is the elitist cabal outside the Government who give our lord and master his orders. They can’t be voted out and we cannot get at them. And they know WE are the last generation they have to worry about. All the brain dead vegetables behind us care only about their fornicating amusements and fornicating . They control the culture and keep the herd in their camp through peer pressure which is the only weapon on earth more fearsome than a nuke. Show me a Paleocon younger than 50 and I’ll show you a man who is friendless. The GOPeenolas don’t give a rats rear about any of this because they have enough money to insulate themselves from it all. The PC crap that galls us no end doesn’t hit their front doors. We are now totally on our own and we can expect to be dispossessed and interned unless we knuckle under to the 60′s trash who have been waiting all their lives to inflict misery upon us. This is what Obama meant when he said, “vote revenge.” The Republicans still refuse to believe that’s exactly what he means. Can anybody among our number say “Final Solution?” It is coming.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Unfortunately, the Tea Party is pretty shaky, too. If you go back and look at the original Tea Party protests, an awful lot of the sign carriers were older folks who were simply opposed to the coming-Obamacare because they were afraid that it would take away money from *their* benefits. It wasn’t about liberty and/or smaller, more responsible government, it was just about give me my free shit!

    The Tea Party also lacks the balls of its namesake. The most telling example was when a Tea Party group paid a permit fee to hold a rally in a park. Shortly thereafter, Occupy or some other Lefty group simply exercised their *right* to assemble and assembled in the same park without paying any fee. The Tea Party guys then petitioned to get their permit fee back. Lame.

    I wish I could trust them – I really do. Unfortunately, too many on the American Right (and virtually all of the leadership) are so timid as to make Myotonic Goats look like rabid velociraptors.

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    an awful lot of the sign carriers were older folks who were simply opposed to the coming-Obamacare

    Bullshit- I was at one of the earlier Tea Party meets and it was primarily working age people, for the matter I don’t recall seeing anything about Obamacare on a sign. It was about the Tea Party principles and nothing else I saw. Nobody there and it was a big crowd was asking for free shit, so don’t make general claims like that. You said yourself it was in the early days, and the movement matured since then.
    Fa Cube Itches says:

    The Tea Party guys then petitioned to get their permit fee back. Lame.

    Maybe they’re trying to stay within the established laws to protest. What else would you have them do?

    What group do you belong to that is timid? I’m in the local and state (TX) Tea Party and they’re agressive. We got Cruz elected to the Senate and that was against Dewhurst’ big name republican supporters like Palin.

    We don’t have the luxury of a generation to build a viable party from the ground up. The current crop of voters will be hard-pressed to convince them to join us and our kids, unless we can home school or afford private school will be tainted by the public educational system.

    What would you have us do? Sit on our asses and wring our hands waiting for our own messiah? We need to scout the turf as it is and determine if it can be forged into something useful. Right now that’s the Tea Party.
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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:

    Bullshit- I was at one of the earlier Tea Party meets and it was primarily working age people, for the matter I don’t recall seeing anything about Obamacare on a sign. It was about the Tea Party principles and nothing else I saw. Nobody there and it was a big crowd was asking for free shit, so don’t make general claims like that.

    Fine, your experience differed at “one of the earlier Tea Party meets”. That might be a *bit* light on statistical sampling, but ok, because you didn’t see anyone saying they wanted their benefits at your meeting, nobody anywhere did. You realize, of course, that there were and are, a bunch of different groups under the “Tea Party” banner, right? And it wasn’t Obamacare at the time – no name had been assigned. It was just “healthcare reform” or the like. At the time, the big worry was that Social Security/Medicare was going to get cut to pay for whatever was to come.

    Maybe they’re trying to stay within the established laws to protest. What else would you have them do?

    How about NOT agreeing with the government position that the RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE is actually a license. That might be a start. If someone is going to claim to stand for freedom, they might want to, oh…I don’t know…try standing for freedom. They don’t have to riot, they just have to exercise their right. Had the police or someone showed up and ordered them to disperse, they could have stated their case and then withdrawn, stated their case and accepted arrest, stated their case and see what happened. There are options.

    I’m in the local and state (TX) Tea Party and they’re agressive.

    Hardly surprising that Texas groups are a bit more energetic. Again, the “Tea Party” isn’t a monolithic structure, so there are all sorts of levels of commitment. Ever checked out any of the RTC rallies? They’re actually walking the walk – exercising their rights, and they only draw participation in the tens of people.

    We don’t have the luxury of a generation to build a viable party from the ground up. The current crop of voters will be hard-pressed to convince them to join us and our kids, unless we can home school or afford private school will be tainted by the public educational system.

    What would you have us do? Sit on our asses and wring our hands waiting for our own messiah?

    You do realize that it might just take some personal inconvenience of the pledging lives, property, and sacred honor variety to solve the problems facing the country, right? Look, if you think that the Tea Party can be crafted into something worthwhile, go for it. I really do wish you well. Personally, I don’t see them living up to the standards set by the Sons of Liberty or anyone of that ilk. They weren’t even a major factor in this past election (though they had some local successes, to give credit where it’s due.)

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:

    What would you have us do? Sit on our asses and wring our hands waiting for our own messiah? We need to scout the turf as it is and determine if it can be forged into something useful. Right now that’s the Tea Party.

    I’m actually sort of encouraged by the lack of political participation right now. It shows that there is a lot of discontent that could be tapped by the right person/organization. For as much as the Obamessiah types cry “we have a mandate,” they got what? 51% of the vote of less than half of the population? Claiming “mandate” with 25% +/- of the populace supporting a position is laughable. It’s banana republic level lunacy. Nearly three times as many people didn’t vote for Obama as did vote for him. Off year elections draw even less of the population.

    If it’s true that governments derive their legitimacy from the consent of the governed, an awful lot of people are not consenting. That’s speech that the guy who wants to win in 2016 should give. “Mr. Obama claims a mandate, yet he only got the vote of X% of the population. The numbers in Congress are even worse. The American people are speaking loudly – they do not trust the system any more. It’s now our duty to fix it – and to do that, we politicians have to fix ourselves. When we pass legislation that is opposed by a margin of 300-1, we delegitimize the system.” And so forth and so on – I’m no speechwriter, so it could probably be done better.

    Maybe the Tea Party can be the ones to do it. I personally wouldn’t bet on it, but I could be proven wrong.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Quote:What would you have us do? Sit on our asses and wring our hands waiting for our own messiah? We need to scout the turf as it is and determine if it can be forged into something useful. Right now that’s the Tea Party.

    __________________________________________________________

    There is no political solution to this. Nothing will come from the ballot box to change our relentless march towards serfdom. NOTHING. Those roads are closed to us patriots. We should have given more of a shit while they were taking over our schools, churches, pop-culture, and every level of government.

    We can ether begin aggressively showing these sons of bitches the definition of the phrase “fourth generation warfare,” or we can sit back and accept our chains like meek little house servants.

    That’s it. Those are the choices we have left.

    We are not going to un-rot this fetid bog. It has to be drained entirely. If you think the entrenched tyrants in Washington D.C. will do that peacefully, you are ignoring every lesson history and our founders have left to us.

    Everyone can talk about screaming wolverines and taking glorious pot-shots at the “roving UN blue helmets” but the bastards won’t push that far that fast. They are playing the long game, and we’ve already lost it, here at the end of the 2nd quarter, thanks largely to almost ONE HUNDRED YEARS of useless trash progressive republicans selling us all out every single damn time the cards were down. They lost it the second they Nominated Willard, and they damn well intended to lose it. There was ZERO FUCKING CHANCE the republicans would allow the power grabs the Kenyan perpetrated to roll back – no folks – these ASPS are licking their fangs, just loving the new powers they too will enjoy over us peons.

    This system is fucking evil, it will destroy, marginalize, or corrupt any person you send to work within it – see how these “tea party” guys fall into line and vote for Jugg-ear’s plans? You don’t join the Devil’s church and change it into a wholesome entity. The Devil’s church changes you into a monster.

    There is no co-opting this. You can choose to burn it to ash, and hope against all odds something better comes of it, or you can accept your slavery, and may our children and grandchildren damn to hell forever our names if that’s that choice we make.

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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    There is no co-opting this. You can choose to burn it to ash, and hope against all odds something better comes of it, or you can accept your slavery, and may our children and grandchildren damn to hell forever our names if that’s that choice we make.

    This.

    Look, most of my friends outside of the Rott, my coworkers, my customers… they are Leftists. I’m 32 years old, and my generation is crap. Most of them are Left-wing. The generation behind me is worse. Honestly I’m more lazy than I should be, less self-sufficient than I need to be. I’m aware of my deficiencies, and try to do better. So do some others. We’re small potatoes next to our ancestors, but at least we try, at least we know we’re broken. The rest of my generation — they don’t give a shit. They look to government for that fix. It’s axiomatic now, if you disagree you’re stupid, racist or just plain backward.

    Meme culture loves to point fun at the troglodyte right-wingers, showing how uncultured and uncaring they must be. Pop culture tears us to shreds in the media, on television and film. Of course, it was always kind of like that, but today’s new generations don’t bother to look for information outside of this paradigm.

    Look, I sound like a doomsayer, an eyeore, whatever… but I’m just being realistic here. Today’s Leftists didn’t just suddenly wake up and become Obama worshipers. They were crafted, built in an education system, a media machine, a pop-culture factory that shaped them into good and proper Leftists. Those parts of our society fell to the Left back in the 50s and 60s. Each generation was pushed more to the Left. Some powerful Right-wingers could shift the balance for awhile, like Reagan did, but the decline was only postponed, not ended. The Soviet Union died, but it left a cancerous legacy in our society, and now America is sick from it. Quite possibly, we’re terminally ill, but the worst hasn’t come yet, and so we’re still walking around with the appearance of health.

    The Tea Party isn’t the answer, even in the “right wing” many are moderates, ideologically similar to Democrats, only different in the degree and speed in which they believe the Socialist System should be constructed. Oh, there’s still a lot of us, though. Not 50%. I’d argue less than 30% are true, balls-to-bone Small Government folk… Not enough for a “Tea Party” to get a mandate to make a real dent in the system. But that’s still a lot of people. And in a way, the world depends on us. We’re the last stand.

    But I’ve come to agree with a lot of you here on the Rott about one thing. It’s going to be violent, folks. I don’t know when it’ll come, how it will start, or who is going to start it… but it WILL happen. It seems to be a mathematical certainty, now.

  21. 21
    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Our “representatives” at work:

    GOP Sells-Out on Fast and Furious – looks to settle case.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Fine, your experience differed at “one of the earlier Tea Party meets”. That might be a *bit* light on statistical sampling, but ok, because you didn’t see anyone saying they wanted their benefits at your meeting, nobody anywhere did.

    Butting in here, because… I’m an Emperor, dammit ;)

    I did see elderly people as well and yes, some of them were concerned about their benefits mainly because they don’t have anything else to rely on for their old age, having been told that it would always be there and having paid into it all their lives (and yes, they paid less than they’ll get etc., we all know that, that’s not my point). They’re concerned, and understandably so, that the whole damn rug is going to be pulled out from under them.

    Of course, pulling the rug out from under those who are already in the system has NEVER been the platform of the Tea Party. We recognize that we need to keep our promises, even if they were made before we were born. I don’t know of anybody in the Tea Party that advocate just cutting the throat of granny and pushing her off a cliff. You must have us confused with the caricature of us presented by the EneMedia ;)

    Of course those already at a point in life where they’re dependent on their bennies need to get them. Of course those who are late enough in life that they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of changing horses now need to get them. We’re Americans, we keep our promises and we take care of our own. Those who cannot take care of themselves. CANNOT. Not WILL not. The latter can go slit their fucking wrists as far as I’m concerned, they concern me not one bit.

    And all of those old people I have talked to who support the Tea Party know that too. They’re Tea Partiers because they’re smart enough to realize that if we don’t reform the whole damn system, and do so PDQ, then the whole shebang WILL crash. The Tea Party is their last, best hope of reform that will both keep them safe AND keep their grandchildren safe from a total fucking catastrophe. They’re not supporting us because they wants their freebies and don’t give a hoot what has to be done to save them, they’d be Democrat Fascists if they did. They know that the only thing that can save the safety net is reform, because the way things are going, it’s going to crash and there’ll be nothing for anybody.

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    You realize, of course, that there were and are, a bunch of different groups under the “Tea Party” banner, right? And it wasn’t Obamacare at the time – no name had been assigned. It was just “healthcare reform” or the like. At the time, the big worry was that Social Security/Medicare was going to get cut to pay for whatever was to come.

    Bingo. And why on earth would they show up for a Tea Party rally if they felt that “business as usual” was the best way forward? They already have two parties, the Democrat Fascist Party and the RINOglicans working for that as hard as they can. The only difference being that the former are honest about it, the latter are lying through their teeth.

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    You do realize that it might just take some personal inconvenience of the pledging lives, property, and sacred honor variety to solve the problems facing the country, right? Look, if you think that the Tea Party can be crafted into something worthwhile, go for it. I really do wish you well. Personally, I don’t see them living up to the standards set by the Sons of Liberty or anyone of that ilk.

    Answering for myself, Jackboot will have to answer that himself as well: Yes, I do realize that, failing all else, it just may come to the point where being nice won’t cut it anymore. If so, then so be it. You’ll find me right there with you, doing what needs to be done. And I agree with you that we’re getting closer and closer to that point, much closer than I like to think about because I, coming from a continent that has a long and treasured history of those kinds of shenanigans, right up to the present day, and it’s never pretty. Sometimes necessary, yes, but never pretty. Never glorious, never heroic, never romantic and building everything back up from the rubble afterwards takes a long, long time. But, again, sometimes you don’t have any choice.

    I think that we still do. Maybe I’m too optimistic, because I do recognize that the window is closing and closing fast. We can all have our differences on how late it is. It may be too late altogether.

    I don’t know.

    What I DO know is that, no matter what, we’re all on the same side. We all want the same thing and by G-d we’ll get it.

    Arguing about the futility of it all is pointless. Our enemy would like nothing more than that. It serves no purpose and it only slows us down. We have a job to do. It ain’t futile as long as we still have breath in us and, last I checked, I was still breathing. :)

    I would love to be right in thinking that we can still save it all peacefully, but I also know that I could be wrong. But that’s irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if I’m right or wrong about the timing, it’s not about me being right, it’s not about me at ALL, it’s about our children, our grandchildren, our nation and the Constitution to which I swore a holy oath that I cannot, will not ever violate.

    My winning an argument is about as irrelevant to all of that as anything can possibly be.

    Let’s git ‘er done.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    I’m actually sort of encouraged by the lack of political participation right now. It shows that there is a lot of discontent that could be tapped by the right person/organization. For as much as the Obamessiah types cry “we have a mandate,” they got what? 51% of the vote of less than half of the population? Claiming “mandate” with 25% +/- of the populace supporting a position is laughable. It’s banana republic level lunacy. Nearly three times as many people didn’t vote for Obama as did vote for him. Off year elections draw even less of the population.

    Exactly, brother! You couldn’t be more right there and THAT is a message that needs to be hammered home every chance we can get!

    PARTICULARLY because our “own” party is already busy acquiescing to the Democrat Socialist Fascists’ latest “mandate” talking point and figuring out how best to surrender to the “inevitable.”

    There’s nothing fucking inevitable about it. Over half the voting population stayed the fuck home and didn’t bother to vote at all because the “opposition” candidate, for all of his most well-intentioned but horribly feeble attempts way too late in the campaign, utterly fucking failed to give somebody a good reason to give a shit and vote for him.

    It’s not that Mittens isn’t a good man, the more I learned about him, the more I liked him. It’s not that the facts that he DID bother to bring up weren’t true, it’s that they didn’t resonate with people enough to get them fired up. Everything he said about unsustainable entitlements, economic growth factors, you name it, was absolutely true and every economics major with a brain out there knew it. Problem is, we’re not all economics majors and, besides, the economics majors already agreed with him.

    He should have talked more about how families have to balance their checkbooks, so government damn well should too. He should have talked more about how there’s no damned difference between the government borrowing trillions from China for shit they can’t afford and handing your 12-year-old a credit card with no limit. He should have told the millions of people who’ve lost their livelihoods thanks to Ogabe and his NSDWP will only ever get those back if somebody will hire them, and making sure that nobody can start a business that can hire people through taxation and over-regulation only ensures that those pantries on Main Street will stay empty while mom and dad have to go beg the government for food stamps.

    He should have talked about how letting government interfere in our personal choices takes our freedom, our rights to be individuals away, how it’s nobody’s damn fucking business how many times your family eats meat every week, how absurd it is for Americans to sit around unemployed because the oil field next door can’t open up while Ogabe forbids drilling.

    How Americans are being killed on a daily basis because Ogabe can’t stand to do his duty, his FIRST duty as a so-called president, which is to protect Americans, no matter where the fuck they are in the world, and unleash unholy HELL on those who would do us harm, no hesitation or mercy.

    He should have talked about how many gold star moms we have who didn’t have to be if it wasn’t because his criminal and treasonous Junta had tied our Armed Forces’ hands behind their backs to the point where they have to be more worried about firing BACK than being fired AT. He should then have added how he has absolutely no problem stealing all the glory for every victory they DO achieve in spite of him stacking the odds against them, how he has no problem spiking the football on their children’s fucking GRAVES. *SPIT!*

    That’s what he SHOULD have done, that’s what an American unfettered by overpaid fuckhead “consultants” and their focus polls would have said, because that’s what we all feel, that’s what we all KNOW to be true, and if you know in your heart that it’s true, then you fucking well speak it out loud. Because it’s true. If it upsets somebody, then go fuck them. It’s the truth.

    But what we got was yet another well-intentioned, nice guy unable to break away from his handlers and, as a result, we got the exact same result that we should have expected.

    It’s time for our candidates to actually speak their minds and let the chips fall as they may.

    People listen to people who are honest.
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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Answering for myself, Jackboot will have to answer that himself as well: Yes, I do realize that, failing all else, it just may come to the point where being nice won’t cut it anymore. If so, then so be it.

    The Boss speaks perfectly well for me, emphasis here on the “it may come to the point” and “being nice won’t cut it” I don’t think we’re there quite yet, damn close ,you bet,
    Emperor Misha I says:

    There’s nothing fucking inevitable about it. Over half the voting population stayed the fuck home and didn’t bother to vote at all because the “opposition” candidate, for all of his most well-intentioned but horribly feeble attempts way too late in the campaign, utterly fucking failed to give somebody a good reason to give a shit and vote for him.

    Exactly. Our job is to convince our fellows that are going to remain engaged to hold fast and wherever possible hold the surrender monkeys inside the beltway’s feet to the fire because Ogabe doesn’t have a mandate and saying it’s inevitable, let’s cut a deal now makes them the Vichy GOP. Fuck that.
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    single stack says:

    Two boxes are empty. One hasn’t been opened…yet.

    Operative word being “yet”.
    BigDogg says:

    What will be left is a leaner, meaner and more disciplined conservative party – one that has been unapologetic in sticking to its guns and saying what needs to be said, one that has a solid 40-50% base, and one that actually has a snowball’s chance of picking up more than a few “Reagan democrats” in every election cycle.

    Oooo, count on MY vote!
    Lockpick says:

    Take over the republican party and make into the image of the TEA Party ideals. Starting now, at the local and state levels, remove the RINOs and make sure we nominate TEA Party adherents for the house and senate races. Make sure the republican precinct and county leaders are replaced with TEA Party members.

    And there lies the practical answer. RINOs have got to go, and the Party needs to be returned to it’s ideals. Whittle said it best.
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    Fa Cube Itches @ # 18: Well said, deep thought stuff. And exactly what we need, a candidate that walks the walk and knows how to talk it. I’d wager well beyond the 50% mark of this country would be far more than happy to get off their asses and vote for such! If we yet have time to, and if we are allowed to.
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    Sire, #s 22 & 23 show why you are the Emperor here. Jackboot, 24 shows why you are Imperial Staff. My head hurts from all this, and I’m on toward total agreement with the “let’s get on with it” opening of the final box. I’d rather not, but as was said “if it be so, then so be it”. I refer again to The Battle Of Athens.
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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    I won’t be counting any chickens. Instead, I will be registering Libertarian and hoping for the best.

    Those were the buttfucks who were willing to place legalizing their dope ahead of even preservation of the Constitution itself. so fine, let them be stoned slaves.
    Not that it matters, since we have endorsed, with a wink and a nod, the hijacking of elections via electronic voting machines and the mass import of aliens.

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #23:

    It’s not that Mittens isn’t a good man, the more I learned about him, the more I liked him. It’s not that the facts that he DID bother to bring up weren’t true, it’s that they didn’t resonate with people enough to get them fired up. Everything he said about unsustainable entitlements, economic growth factors, you name it, was absolutely true and every economics major with a brain out there knew it. Problem is, we’re not all economics majors and, besides, the economics majors already agreed with him.

    Yes, a very good man. And that may have been gthe problem. Next time try nominating a really nasty, rank sonofabitch. You don’t bring your Golden Retriever to a dog fight. There are some feelings which demand to be hurt. Some sensitivities which must be offended.

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #24:
    Yeah. Vichy Republicans. Remember Pierre Laval’s fate.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    You won’t get me to cast a vote for a Republican ever again, not after they spent 30 years forcing me to eat their Shit-sandwiches, and now dagger me in the back, and shamelessly blame ME for their latest shit-on-a-shingle, Willard Romneycare, who (predictably) crashed and burned. How dare they. How dare they. I will die and surrender my every possession in this world before I will forgive such a slight on my honor. Such a SLANDER perpetrated to my face would be killing words as far as I am concerned. If you are the architect of your own destruction, and then try to besmirch my good name, and hold ME to credit for your callow retreats, one of us is dying on the spot.

    I ain’t no battered wife. These serial abusers have slapped me around enough, and I will never forgive. I write in people for all offices, (as I honor the dead by voting) but until there is a new party that actually represents my ideals, if that ever happens, I will continue to “write in” the manners in which I would like to see these bastards executed for the destruction of the U.S.A.

    That being said, when it comes time to hang the “vichy” bastards, give me a call. I got a bone to pick.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    this is why we were supposed to have a republic, not a democracy.

    Because this is the tyranny of the 51% over the 49%. Because you think you “won”, you think you’re free to smash, stifle, trample and confiscate everything from the 49%.

    The problem is, that 49% include the producers. Your 51% are mostly parasites and useless eaters.

    You’re going to learn what “Who is John Galt?” means, that’s for certain. And what will you do then? Throw a tantrum and declare confiscation of “hoarded” funds?

    You’ll light the fuse on a revolution if you do that,

    Go ahead.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Good-bye GOP. You really weren’t worth knowing.

    LC Gladiator @ #:

    This is why we were supposed to have a republic, not a democracy.

    The whole bullshit two-party system goes against everything the Founding Fathers wanted for US.
    Even the Tea Party has became a crock. Instead of being a movement free from the parties, it willingly sucked ass of the parties party. Embracing Palin even AFTER her fucking dumbassed “You only need to vote D or R.” comment. Or was that really a dumbassed comment ?? Or was she really telling us that we only need to vote for the ruling class…..
    My post from over a year ago, Did I channel these guys ?

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: It’s not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal. What Geithner offered, what you showed on the screen, Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox, and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House, Republicans won the house. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that is what the administration is asking of the Republicans.

    This idea — there are not only no cuts in this, there’s an increase in spending with a new stimulus. I mean, this is almost unheard of. What do they expect? They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think the Republicans ought to simply walk away. The president is the president. He’s the leader. They are demanding that the Republicans explain all the cuts that they want to make.

    We had that movie a year-and-a-half ago where Paul Ryan presented a budget, a serious real budget with real cuts. Obama was supposed to gave speech where he would respond with a counter offer. And what did he do? He gave a speech where he had Ryan sitting in the front row. He called the Ryan proposal un-American, insulted him, offered nothing, and ran on Mediscare in the next 18 months.

    And they expect the Republicans are going to do this again? The Republicans are going to walk on this. And I think they have leverage. Yes, for Congressional Democrats it will help them in the future if Republicans absorb the blame because we will have a recession. But Obama is not running again unlike the Congressional Democrats. He’s going to have a recession, 9% unemployment, 2 million more unemployed, and a second term that’s going to be a ruin. That is not a good proposition if you are Barack Obama.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    The democrats will not have to pay one plug nickel for the mess they are making this midterm.

    The Demonrats will not be blamed – Us – the evil obstructive conservatives will be blamed, for being the horrible monsters that starved granny, and forced that”nice cooperative Boehner to move away from “sensible moderation.”

    We will be blamed by the leftist prigs in the media, and the useless moderate mushbags in the republican party for every single ill in this society.

    Just watch. We let them capture the media, the schools, the arts, the lower level government, the courts, higher academia – all of these tools will be brought to bear to paint us as the villains – they are engaging in a very real WAR against us. The implements they are using to destroy us are unconventional, but the outcome will be the same:

    It will eventually end in our deaths and enslavement. If we stand by peacefully and let them that is.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    And while Rome burns, Nerobama plans his 20-day, $4 million vacation in Hawaii.

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    LC Gladiator says:

    You’re going to learn what “Who is John Galt?” means, that’s for certain.

    Let us pray it be so. And we can watch the last of the lights go out behind us as we leave.
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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    Next time try nominating a really nasty, rank sonofabitch. You don’t bring your Golden Retriever to a dog fight. There are some feelings which demand to be hurt. Some sensitivities which must be offended.

    Some balls that need ripping off?
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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Said it before Rotties, will say it again…

    The Socialists have won the ideological war. They have convinced everyone in the world, not just in America, that redistribution is good and profits are evil. Islam is good, though maybe a little superstitious, Paganism is even better, and Christianity is evil. Of course, Atheism is best of all. All white people who aren’t progressive are racist, sexist and homophobic (self-loathing closeted homophobic if they happen to be gay). To most people on the planet, these things are FACTS, indisputable, no matter what we say.

    We always talk about the power of blogs and communities like this one. But that power is dwarfed by the Popular Media. It’s not just a News Media that is hostile to us, it is every piece of popular media, from movies to magazines, books to newspapers, with the possible exception of Fox. Most of the Internet is lost to us, too. Don’t believe me? Visit any pop culture forum, from facebook to 4chan, and see how 90% of political memes paint the Right wing as delusional, sky-wizard worshiping troglodytes. The leaders of the Left have trained our children well, they now carrying water for, market for and spin for the Left without even having to be instructed to do so.

    This is global. We LOST the war against Communism, folks. When the Soviet Union fell, we thought we had won a great victory, but in truth, Socialism just moved from one obvious target to a million diffuse sources, too small individually for us to target. And they don’t have to do what they wanted to in the 60s, they don’t have to kill us or take away our guns. They just wait for us to die off naturally, and be replaced with proper progressives. They are counting on us being reasonable people right up to the day the last Conservative bites the dust in a shitty government-run hospital.

    This isn’t just about America, or our own lives and families. This is about the future of our species. Once Socialism takes firm hold of the world, that is a vice-grip that may never loosen. Just like today, no matter what the Republicans in the House do, whether it be to cave in, walk-out or stand-firm… they will be blamed for everything bad that happens, and the majority will accept that as truth. This -IS- 1984, we -ARE- Goldstein, and when our generation(s) are gone, no one will even remember we were here. When the system collapses, we will be blamed (even if none of us remain). The phantom Right-wing will be the great enemy. And they will build a new Socialist paradise to replace the one that fell… rinse and repeat.

    Unless something drastic happens, while we’re still here and breathing. And folks, this is the only country in the world that still has a fighting chance to stave this thing off. We’ve talked plenty of talk here at the Rott. Time to walk the walk. I don’t even know what I’m advocating, per se, I only know that the time for words and battles of ideology has passed.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Once Socialism takes firm hold of the world, that is a vice-grip that may never loosen.

    Nah, Islam will defeat socialism. Socialists are fairly fanaticial, but Islam is more so. Plus, Islamists are even more willing to kill than Socialists – not to mention that once the Socialists consolidate power, they’ll be busy purging the impure and the revolutionary. They always do.

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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Once Socialism takes firm hold of the world, that is a vice-grip that may never loosen.
    Nah, Islam will defeat socialism. Socialists are fairly fanaticial, but Islam is more so. Plus, Islamists are even more willing to kill than Socialists – not to mention that once the Socialists consolidate power, they’ll be busy purging the impure and the revolutionary. They always do.

    You may be right, although I’m not so sure on that count. A full-on socialist regime, such as the Soviet Union, seems to have no problems with genocide and mass murder, and they would have the remnants of our industrial base to do it with.

    That said, either way, our side will have been long-gone, so it doesn’t matter so much to us.