Bitch, PLEASE!

From Hot Air, yet another example of what we’re in for:

Scarborough: But, we do hear from business owners, I’m sure you do too, that are now contemplating after the election… saying, ‘Gosh, I’m going to have to start keeping people under 30 hours… so ObamaCare doesn’t apply to me, I’m going to lose my best people and be only hiring part-timers, it’s only a matter of time before I go out of business and I can’t afford the costs of what this new regulation puts on me.’ …Explain that cutoff, and secondly, what do you tell those business owners? Why are they wrong?

Mills: I travel all around the country. Every week, I go to a different part of the country, I’m with small businesses, and I’m not hearing that…

Scarborough: You’ve never heard that? You need to talk to your staff and tell ‘em to get you out of the bubble, because we are hearing it all the time. … Have you never heard that before?

Mills: When I am out, absolutely what small businesses want to do is grow their business. And the other thing that they want, this is what I hear all the time, ‘I want to provide health care. We are like a family here. The day that I got to provide health care for my workers, that was when I called my business a success.’

“Mills” is another communist cunt of Brrraarggh Hussein Obunghole’s, his so-called “Small Business Administration” chief, who is already busy lying through her flapping, crusty labia as fast as she can.

Those 700,000 layoffs in the first week after Obunghole’s re-selection, or was it a million? They never happened and they certainly hadn’t anything to do with ObamaCare becoming almost a certainty overnight. Four years of small business owners shutting down because of the looming threat of ObamaCare, four years of the majority of our doctors either declaring that they were going to quit medicine to survive or actually shutting down their clinics? Never happened, because Der Führer said so, that’s why.

You racist!

Who are you going to believe? The BlightBringer and his commie apparatchiks or the pink slip your boss just handed you?

FORWARD! To the Utopia of Next Tuesday™, Comrades!

The government is not your friend. The government is your enemy. Everything the government tells you is a lie. Learn it, memorize it, keep it close to your hearts, my fellow citizens, because that is our reality now. I know this because I’ve lived it, and some here have lived even worse versions of it. Don’t trust them, everything they say is the opposite of the truth, they do not have your interests at heart, they are the enemy, they lie, they will destroy you at the drop of a hat.

They. Are. The. Enemy.

Fight them, but fight them wisely. Infiltrate them so you can destroy them from within. Trust no one. And keep this in mind, always: They WILL destroy you if you give them an excuse.

Instinctively take the opposite position of them, because you’ll be right at least 99% of the time. Do everything you can to undermine, sabotage, discredit and destroy everything they do or attempt to do, and always be careful to do so in ways that cannot be traced, because they WILL do everything they can to hurt you back. Play along when you need to, stab them in the back whenever you get a chance to.

Misbehave. Resist. Destroy.

Make them fear you more than you fear them, by being always in the shadows. Force them to forever keep one eye open, even when they sleep, strike them from where they least expect it, teach them the true meaning of paranoia. Lie, steal, betray, do anything that you safely can to keep them paranoid and fearful.

And do it with a smile on your face.

You are the resistance. You work in the shadows, you’re the one who will kiss their hand one minute, then drive the knife of betrayal into their guts in a restroom the next.

Teach them fear.

Every time you throw even a grain of sand in their totalitarian machinery, the Baby Jesus smiles.

And show no mercy, no compassion and no regrets.

Not violence, unless you’re threatened with it yourself, in which case you’re obviously justified. Violence only provides the enemy with an easily identifiable scapegoat. No, work within the system, because you’re much more of a threat behind their armor than banging on it from the outside. Make them trust you, then betray them. When they reach the point where they realize that they cannot trust anybody, they’ve lost. All of their energy will be spent chasing phantoms.

Aim to misbehave.

Thatisall.

52 comments

  1. 1
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    Having tried dealing with the SBA previously, I can pretty much tell you that most of the people actually working for the SBA, the closest they have been to a small business was asking “Would you like fries with that” at their first job in high school… and the ‘retired small buiness advisors” that are supposed to be there to advise and mentor you? well, don’t expect to be running a business usin them newfangled compyewtahrs, or using the intertubes, cause they don’t know nothin about it and think you’re taking about pixie dust and fairie rainbows and not a viable business model.

  2. 2
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    On May 1, 2001 my wife and I started my solo medical practice. For the better part of 12 years, I took care of people in my home town. Many of my patients are people I’ve known my entire life. Some of them are grade school classmates. I had the privilege of caring for my sixth grade science teacher and making house calls throughout his final battle with prostate cancer.

    Our practice was successful by any standard you might wish to apply. It was not, however, the “practice model” favored under Obamacare. Worse, I was also a small business owner.

    The analysis wasn’t difficult: Every year my productivity increased and my reimbursements declined. Overhead, driven in no small measure by increases in health insurance premiums and regulations, ratcheted upward while insurance companies and Medicare continue to find new ways of paying less. In short, I got a bigger slice of an ever-smaller pie… and that’s before Obamacare hits in earnest.

    On September 1, 2012, I ended my tenure as a solo physician. I now work for “my new insect overlords” as one of dozens of physicians employed by a large hospital/insurance network. So far, things haven’t been all that bad. My pay has increased substantially, my staff and I have full benefits including health insurance and 401Ks and my wife no longer has to ignore her profession for the sake of managing our office. I even get to go on vacations for the first time in years, and when I do, I don’t have to worry about the practice instantly sliding into the red as soon as I walk out the door.

    So what do I have to complain about?

    This: I’m losing touch with my patients.

    You can try to ignore it, but it’s always there. I’m salaried and these aren’t really my patients anymore. I get paid exactly the same no matter what I do every day, regardless of how hard I hit it. I can’t write down or write off services anymore for anyone, and no one is going to care if I “go the extra mile.” As hard as I try to fight against it, they’re becoming walking, talking lists of ICD-9 codes, and the path of least resistance is to treat them as such.

    Once Obamacare hits in earnest, I won’t be able to resist at all. I won’t have time. “Pay-for-performance” standards will be enacted, and the metrics will have a lot less to do with quality of care than cost. Individualized care is vanishing and being replaced by “evidence-based” guidelines. (Of course, the evidence is also being interpreted in light of cost. If you’re a man, don’t worry about that yearly screening PSA. Women only need intermittent paps and mammograms. “We” need to cut costs, and if that means “we” miss a few treatable cancers here and there, oh well.)

    When I saw Mills’ interview, I couldn’t even work up the energy to retch. I don’t know what her small business background is, if any, but I’m entirely certain she has no concept of what sort of “health care” is going to ooze out of this system for the few small businesses that somehow remain solvent.

    Emperor, you are entirely correct. Take whatever these people say, turn it 180 degrees and that’s about as close to the truth as you’ll get.

    Take heed, friends. It’s going to get ugly.

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    Library Czar growls and barks:

    Moriarty,
    Been a while.
    I also was working for myself until stiffed by my last contracted doc for about 110K. Just about went under except for the people of the Rott here. Was set to continue on my own however I looked at what was coming and took a position with a Hospice. So I too get paid the same regardless how many I see a day. The small business I work for is struggling but because of government regulations they need to keep me on even if only part time. Had a meeting with the owner to discuss how to turn around the 600K we are in the red this month (not unusual). Even though its not my business keeping it afloat rests on the shoulders of two of us who practice medicine. With Obama care paying less and less for the same services it gets harder and harder to meet those demands. If we can’t figure out a way to balance the books that will be about 100 families out looking for work.

    And lets not get started on the DEATH PANELS…

  4. 4
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    My doctor, an old classmate, has now quit practicing to become an officer of sorts for the organization that runs our clinic & hospital. Though I’ve heard he’s “liberal,” I don’t think he ever like the prospect of ‘Bummercare.

    “Death panels” are a concern for after our victory–in the sentencing phase.

  5. 5
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    LC Moriarty says:

    When I saw Mills’ interview, I couldn’t even work up the energy to retch. I don’t know what her small business background is, if any, but I’m entirely certain she has no concept of what sort of “health care” is going to ooze out of this system for the few small businesses that somehow remain solvent.

    I can predict it. Cattle call clinics and every care decision being looked at to see if it is ‘cost effective’. Just ask anyone who deals with the VA, we’ve already seen government-run health care.

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    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    Do everything you can to undermine, sabotage, discredit and destroy everything they do or attempt to do, and always be careful to do so in ways that cannot be traced, because they WILL do everything they can to hurt you back.

    Oh yeah, I aim to misbehave. When next called for jury duty I may have to sit there for a week or two, but there isn’t a chance of conviction for anything resembling a conservative position no matter what the charge. It’s not like I have something better to do.

    My guess is I’ll only get one shot at it, tho. I’ll never be called again.

    Jury nullification- a dish best served cold.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    It’s far to late now. I have a Ruger Mini-14, but the bolt is jammed. (Empty chamber) I haven’t fired it in years and just couldn’t be bothered to get it fixed.

    I’ve spent the last few days locating a gunsmith and making arrangements to have the bolt unjammed. I’m also looking at other things.

    My brother in-law was talking to me about buying a few guns. He’s never owned one and I’m not sure he’s handled one before. I will see he gets training. (I want a refresh my safety training too)

    He made the mistake of voting for the SCoaMF the first time, but corrected the error this time. Now he’s seeing what we’ve all be seeing for some time now.

    “Bad Days” are coming. :em06:
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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Sturm Ruger, ticker symbol RGR, is declaring a special dividend of $4 per share to all share holders of record up to December 7th. It closed at 53 and change yesterday. It’s the last thing we’ll have to celebrate.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC Spare Parts @ #:

    Sturm Ruger, ticker symbol RGR, is declaring a special dividend of $4 per share to all share holders of record up to December 7th. It closed at 53 and change yesterday. It’s the last thing we’ll have to celebrate

    I bought some shares in the company a few months back. :em01:
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    JakeTheSnake growls and barks:

    Resist we much!

  11. 11
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster,

    A couple of points on the Mini. (It was my first rifle.):

    Given that Bill “No Honest Man Needs More Than Ten Rounds” Ruger has long since been laid to rest, you can get genuine 20 round factory mags. Time to stock up.

    Minis often suffer from accuracy problems related to barrel harmonic issues. Consider an Accustrut.

    Watch your use of 5.56 vs. .223. 5.56 is hotter and some Minis may benefit from a smaller gas port. It should keep your rifle from wearing as fast and ejecting cases into the next time zone. Pick up a set of extra power springs and replace your recoil spring every few thousand rounds.

    Apologies if you knew all of this already. I had my Mini for over 30 years before I finally sent it down the road. It was a good rifle for its era (late 1970s), but the cost/benefit to get it to do what I wanted wasn’t worth it anymore.

    A buddy of mine is a manager for a large gun shop. He’s working over 80 hours a week and running over $20k of inventory out the door daily. What little free time he has is devoted to custom AR builds and he can’t keep up with those, either.

    Get your house in order, friends. I don’t know what’s headed this way, but I don’t like the looks of it.

  12. 12
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Shit starting here also. With the Defense cuts coming subcontracts are drying up and people are getting canned in addition agencies are taking work back in-house. This big prime contractors are hunkering down and hoping against hope that something breaks but even they are doing the hours cutting at the basic level. An example is a receptionist. You bill the gov’t 40 hrs but you split the work between two so you don’t have the HR costs. They won’t complain because 20 or 30 hrs a week is better than zero hrs per week. I can see the new normal being a 20-30 hr work week.

  13. 13
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    LC Moriarty says:

    angrywebmaster,
    Given that Bill “No Honest Man Needs More Than Ten Rounds” Ruger has long since been laid to rest, you can get genuine 20 round factory mags. Time to stock up.

    Bill’s round cap was actually fifteen, and he felt ‘betrayed’ when the AWB went through with ten… which is just too fricken bad, Bill, you left the rest of the industry out to dry because you were hoping it wouldn’t affect your product…

  14. 14
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Obamacare was *designed* to fail. It’s purpose is to install government control infrastructure (laws, regulations, processes, bureaucracy…) that will bankrupt all but a small handful of the largest health insurance providers and create chaos in the health care sector of the economy and so in our society.

    Politicians then will “have no choice” but to nationalize health care and convert it to a single-payer system (think Britain’s NHS on crack…). Done.

    At that point, the government will have established unprecedented controls on the people, will have our health records and will be positioned to decide on how health care is delivered, what it costs, and who will receive it.

    Remember, what the Democrats said in their convention about ‘government being the only thing we all belong to’? Well thanks to Obamacare that will quite literally be true within ten years.

    think the battle of bull run during the civil war. as resistance is shattered and they are attacked from behind, as the men flee forward they are trapped by the bodies of their own comrades, no pun intended. now, as soft and moderate conservatives attempt to go along to get along, we all will be over run by the hordes of evil doers from the left. they will even come from behind us, stealth in their attack. we are being devoured by a monolith from within, a cancer that cannot be treated. our ranks are filled with unknowing enablers of the left, duped into believing that their own agendas can only be realized by liberalism, progressivism, feminism and a plethora of isms each and everyone disguised and hidden behind the all encompassing benevolent nannystate government. the apple has been bitten. the egg is cracked. the toothpaste is out. the ever shrinking snowball is rolling down the hill under the relentless burning sun. cya.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC Moriarty @ #:
    I bought my mini 20 years ago when dead ted kennedy was trying for the first ban. Got it used.

    Then I got into computers and spent most of my time and money and that. Now I have enough computers, and bad things seem to be coming. I want to get the mini back in operation and checked over, and start stocking up on ammo.

    I’m also looking at gun clubs in the area so I can put in range time and get the training I feel I need.

    If I can scrap together enough $$$, I’m going to add a few items. (Doing the research now)

    I’m going over to see a dealer tomorrow with my brother inlaw to get the repairs done and ask a few questions. An informed shopper is a smart shopper.
    (Just ask my wife. She’s planning on storming the mall at 3am tomorrow. Black Friday don’t you know) :em05:
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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Draven32 @ #:

    Bill’s round cap was actually fifteen, and he felt ‘betrayed’ when the AWB went through with ten… which is just too fricken bad, Bill, you left the rest of the industry out to dry because you were hoping it wouldn’t affect your product…

    When Ruger changed hands a while back they scrapped a number of dumb ideas and started offering people what they wanted. I’m hoping to test fire their version of the AR15 someday.
    :em01:
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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster @ #7:
    Get’cher self sumthin new. Hold onto the old, disfunctional piece as a turn-in/surrender gun for when men come calling for something. Shows them your benign intentions. they’ll be satisfied, and you may keep something else securely in the closet or attic till its needed.

  18. 18
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Draven32 @ #13:

    Bill’s round cap was actually fifteen

    I stand corrected. At least the new management has more common sense than to try bargaining like that with a mortal enemy. Lots of things got better, including the introduction of pistols smaller than a canned ham.

    (Sure do miss the Ruger Old Army, though…)

    angrywebmaster

    I’m hoping to test fire their version of the AR15 someday.

    Meh. It’sallright. You can do better for less.

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    LC_Salgak growls and barks:

    Angry Webmaster:

    Two words: Old Soviet. Get an Mosin or an SKS. They’re cheap, good, and ammo is cheap and plentiful as well….

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC_Salgak @ #:

    Get an Mosin or an SKS

    No thanks on the Mosin. I am rather attached to my shoulder and don’t have a chiropractor on my speed dial.
    :em06:
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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC Moriarty @ #:

    Meh. It’sallright. You can do better for less.

    Oh I’m sure. Nothing wrong with taking it for a test drive, kick the tires, etc. :em03:
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  22. 22
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    LC_Salgak @ #19:

    I love Mosins, but I’d strongly suggest that anyone who buys one for serious use should get it checked out by a competent smith before heading to the range. That holds for any milsurp rifle, but from time to time I like to be sure the bolt won’t close on a field gauge .

  23. 23
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    From Benghazi — The Musical

    Try to remember that night in September
    When men were trapped and you turned yellow.
    Try to remember the rest of September
    When lies were told and you stayed mellow.
    Try to remember those days in November
    When the dodge unraveled, unlucky fellow.
    Try to dissemble, it´s Bill you´ll resemble,
    Then you´ll be impeached and maybe Senate Democrats will do the right thing for once and convict you.

    Deep in November, your honor´s an ember,
    ´Cause nothing´s changed, your core is hollow.
    Deep in November, it´s hard to remember
    Just how you hawked the swill we swallowed.
    Deep in November, on track to dismember
    Our rights, our dreams, to pen us in wallow.
    Come new Novembers, if we don´t remember,
    Well, we´ll start looking more and more like Greece,
    And instead of leading, we´ll follow, follow, follow.

  24. 24
    LC_Salgak growls and barks:

    LC Moriarty says:

    LC_Salgak @ #19:
    I love Mosins, but I’d strongly suggest that anyone who buys one for serious use should get it checked out by a competent smith before heading to the range. That holds for any milsurp rifle, but from time to time I like to be sure the bolt won’t close on a field gauge .

    Actually, I’ve found that (1) replacing the stock with one of the new nylon stocks does wonders, and (2) There are some simple things anyone can do to improve both the performance and accuracy of a M-N. Mind you, I **AM** planning to get the bolt mod and picatinny’s added so I can mount a modern scope (and, as a result, will make stripper clips irrevelevant . . .) And when my gunsmith does it, he’s also getting 20 rounds to test it (plus, he always will shoot if someone else is paying for the ammo. . . )

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    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    LC_Salgak @ #24:

    Apropos replacing M-N stocks:
    Here’s an oddball for you.

    It reminds me that Jeff Cooper said you could get into all sorts of trouble by asking what something is for. :em03:

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    LC Moriarty @ # 25: CBRPS is a fantastic source for numerous weapons! I want one or five. I just wish they also made them for the M98, but oh well. If you have sufficient fundage, you might want to look at Desert Tactical. But really, you can’t go wrong with a Mosin, I like the M38 best, and one of those screw on butt pads. If you want a nice synthetic stock, nothing wrong with that. I like my AKs, but my SKS is just a little sweeter somehow. Shame about that boating accident up at Ft Sumner. Going upriver to hunt hogs and the damn boat capsized.
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    LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret growls and barks:

    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    angrywebmaster @ #7:
    Get’cher self sumthin new. Hold onto the old, disfunctional piece as a turn-in/surrender gun for when men come calling for something. Shows them your benign intentions. they’ll be satisfied, and you may keep something else securely in the closet or attic till its needed.

    When the men come for something, there’s a damn good chance I won’t have either a “surrender” gun or “benign intentions”…

  28. 28
    single stack growls and barks:

    N

    o thanks on the Mosin. I am rather attached to my shoulder and don’t have a chiropractor on my speed dial.

    I don’t understand why people think Mosins kick hard. It’s about like a .308.
    The first time I saw a Mosin Nagant there were several guys at the range with MGs they had just bought as a group and were trying them out for the first time. It was a mixture of 91/30s and M44s.
    After they had all shot a few rounds they were all complaining about the recoil. I shot several rounds from one of each type and wondered what all the whining was about.
    I have since bought two and I really enjoy shooting them.
    Some other club members with Mosins put a pussypad (Limbsaver) on theirs to reduce the vicious :em05: recoil.

  29. 29
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I’m sure this has been posted here before, but what the heck.

    Comparison of an AK47, an AR15 and a Mosin
    :em05:
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    What I find amazing is just how many Americans are relying on Obama and our broken government to pull them up by dragging others down. No matter how hard it tries, our government will never succeed at building the poor up by dragging the wealthy down. It’s like a teacher who takes grades from hardworking students and gives them to the failing students. Soon it won’t be long before the hard working students realize that regardless of how hard they work their A’s will average out to C’s when combined with the F’s of the failing students. After that, the hardworking students will no longer work as hard. From there the teacher will no longer have any good grades to steal from. Next thing you know the combination of a few C’s and higher number of F’s will average out to F’s. The entire class will go from having some failing students to everyone failing. Nobody benefits when people are drug down… It won’t be long and Obama won’t have money to steal because he will have us all depending on the government!!!!

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster says:

    LC_Salgak @ #:
    Get an Mosin or an SKS
    No thanks on the Mosin. I am rather attached to my shoulder and don’t have a chiropractor on my speed dial.

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    I found the recoil of my Mosin was quite managable with a recoil pad.

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    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician @ #26:

    CBRPS is a fantastic source for numerous weapons! I want one or five.

    Just ribbin’, of course. Because I can’t see the merit in a bullpup Mosin, doesn’t mean someone else can’t. I’m actually curious to see how one might function for my son. He has cerebral palsy that affects his right side, so supporting a foreend with his right hand is out. He shoots off a bipod or cross sticks. Paradoxically, working the bolt on a bullpup might be easier for him, despite the problems the design poses for southpaws in an autoloader.

    My favorite is the Finnish M39, followed by the M28/30. (Good enough for the White Death, good enough for me.)

    Now that I’m over 50, I’m a little more concerned about recoil than I used to be. I used to have nothing but fun with .375s, .458s and a .50-140 Sharps, but these days I think about things like detaching a retina. I’m also not 30 anymore and I’m finding lighter weight rifles more appealing.

    Sorry to hear about the SKS. Durn shame, that.

  33. 33
    LC Draco growls and barks:

    1. PVC Pipe buried next to a car port, in your storage shed, or close to something with a lot of metal,
    2. A copy of “The Ranger Handbook” and COIN Ops in your Go-Bag,
    3. About 1500′ of 550 (Paracord),
    4. And some other stuff you might like to have when the poopy kocka hits the fan….

    And Mope…my misbehavin’ knows NO bounds… :em05:

    RLTW~~ :em03:
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    LC Draco growls and barks:

    Army Rangers Standing Orders
    Robert Rogers’ orders are sensible and direct. When he created them, no one else had assembled so many tactics into one comprehensive guide. What’s more, they have withstood the test of time — the standing orders were so effective, that much of the operational standards are still in use by Rangers today.

    Rogers’ orders to his men were:
    Don’t forget nothing.
    Have your musket clean as a whistle, hatchet scoured, 60 rounds powder and ball and be ready to march at a minute’s warning.
    When you’re on the march, act the way you would if you was sneaking up on a deer. See the enemy first.
    Tell the truth about what you see and what you do. There is an army depending on us for correct information. You can lie all you please when you tell other folks about the Rangers, but don’t never lie to a Ranger or officer.
    Don’t never take a chance you don’t have to.
    When we’re on the march, we march single file, far enough apart so one shot can’t go through two men.
    If we strike swamps or soft ground, we spread out abreast, so it’s hard to track us.
    When we march, we keep moving till dark, so as to give the enemy the least possible chance at us.
    When we camp, half the party stays awake while the other half sleeps.
    If we take prisoners, we keep ‘em separate till we have had time to examine them, so they can’t cook up a story between ‘em.
    Don’t ever march home the same way. Take a different route so you won’t be ambushed.
    No matter whether we travel in big parties or little ones, each party has to keep a scout 20 yards ahead, 20 yards on each flank and 20 yards in the rear, so the main body can’t be surprised and wiped out.
    Every night you’ll be told where to meet if surrounded by a superior force.
    Don’t sit down to eat without posting sentries.
    Don’t sleep beyond dawn. Dawn’s when the French and Indians attack.
    Don’t cross a river by a regular ford.
    If somebody’s trailing you, make a circle, come back onto your own tracks, and ambush the folks that aim to ambush you.
    Don’t stand up when the enemy’s coming against you. Kneel down, lie down, hide behind a tree.
    Let the enemy come till he’s almost close enough to touch. Then let him have it and jump out and finish him with your hatchet.

    Rules to live by… :em01:
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    Draven32 growls and barks:

    single stack says:

    N
    o thanks on the Mosin. I am rather attached to my shoulder and don’t have a chiropractor on my speed dial.
    I don’t understand why people think Mosins kick hard. It’s about like a .308.
    The first time I saw a Mosin Nagant there were several guys at the range with MGs they had just bought as a group and were trying them out for the first time. It was a mixture of 91/30s and M44s.
    After they had all shot a few rounds they were all complaining about the recoil. I shot several rounds from one of each type and wondered what all the whining was about.
    I have since bought two and I really enjoy shooting them.
    Some other club members with Mosins put a pussypad (Limbsaver) on theirs to reduce the vicious recoil.

    Recoil on it is more like a .30-’06. Just M44s and M38s are very short barrel .30-’06.

    I actually have a recoil pad on my 1944 Ishy ex-sniper, and the ironi c part about it is the pad helps the length of puull ussues greatly, making it more comfortable to *aim*

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    single stack growls and barks:

    Draven32 @ #: 35

    Well, perception of recoil is subjective. I find the recoil a lot lighter than my ’06 and about on par with friends’ .308s.
    According to my chronograph the actual MV of 148 grain Polish milsurp is about 2500 – 2600fps, equivalent to .308. This is consistent in several 91/30s.

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    Draven32 growls and barks:

    Ah, well, I don’t use the 148 Gr (steel core) stuff, I primarily use the Yugo 182Gr (lead core) stuff, therein lies the difference.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Did someone say SKS ?? Chicom Type 56 The link I posted at CMblake6′s is OUT of them. And at $265. it’s a steal.

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    single stack growls and barks:

    Draven32 @ #: 37

    The heavier bullet does make a big difference in recoil.
    FYI- The 182 gr load is intended for the Dragunov. The theory is that the heavier bullet increases the range for the sniper rifle.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    single stack @ #:

    Some other club members with Mosins put a pussypad (Limbsaver) on theirs

    I put the rubber recoil pads on both of mine, but not really because of recoil – which isn’t that bad. They add about an extra inch to the stock, and that makes it easier for me to hold. Otherwise, I find them a little stubby.

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    Draven32 growls and barks:

    single stack says:

    Draven32 @ #: 37
    The heavier bullet does make a big difference in recoil.
    FYI- The 182 gr load is intended for the Dragunov. The theory is that the heavier bullet increases the range for the sniper rifle.

    \\

    yes, it does. Heavier bullet + same muzzle velocity= more recoil.

    If 182 Gr bullets are for Dragunovs, then why is there ammo out there made in the 50s and early 60s in that bullet weight? Dragunovs didnt come out until 1963. Also, the 7N1 ammo that *was* introduced for the dragunov is 152 grains, not 182.

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    Indeed, the Mosin isn’t that violent. But by God you can start a forest fire in a rainstorm with one of the shorter barreled versions. I agree, the added length to the stock is the biggest value of those add on pads. But it does turn it into a real kitten to shoot. I too like the M39, but finding one is a bitch at any kind of reasonable price.
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    angrywebmaster @ # 29: That was one of the greatest comparisons in history! I had it up at mine many moons ago, and must now do it again. :em07:
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    LC Robohobo growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster @ #: “I’m sure this has been posted here before…”

    Dude, that was hilarious. I feel the same way about my Yugoslav Mauser 8mm. As long as you do not nancy-boy it the recoil is acceptable. I think most AR shooters are so used to mouse gun recoil that when faced with the real thing they tend to cry.

    Shoot, my .270WIN Mossberg ATR barks pretty good and the Ruger M77 in .308 does the same. Of course even my pistols are all at least .40.

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    single stack growls and barks:

    Draven32 @ #: 41

    When I got my first Mosin I asked a friend who is a collector of Russian weapons for advice and he told me the 148 gr load is for Mosins and the 182 gr load is for Drags and machine guns. But I’ve learned there’s a lot more to it than that.
    The 7.62x54R has been loaded with everything from 123 gr sintered iron bullets, through 147, 148, 150, 151, 174, 180, 182, 200, 210, and 220 gr bullets with steel jackets, copper jackets, lead cores, mild steel cores, hardened tool steel cores, and air gaps in an amazing variation, not to mention tracer and incendiary rounds.
    The 7N1 round, introduced in 1966, is a match grade round developed specifically for the Drag. It uses a 151.2 gr FMJBT with a steel core, air gap, and lead in the base. It was replaced with the 7N13 and 7N14 rounds in 1999 which use a hardened steel penetrator core and high velocity (2732 fps) to defeat body armor.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    in the comparison of M16,AK47,Mosin-Nagant, the Mosin could be replaced by any old school, full powered, battle rifle.

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    Draven32 growls and barks:

    VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:

    in the comparison of M16,AK47,Mosin-Nagant, the Mosin could be replaced by any old school, full powered, battle rifle.

    Most of the Mosin statements-esp about its inaccuracy- are pretty Mosin-specific.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Did someone say 7.62x54R ?? Here ya go. Light Ball 148 grain FMJ bullet, with LPS steel core.
    Draven32 @ #:

    Most of the Mosin statements-esp about its inaccuracy- are pretty Mosin-specific.

    I wonder if anyone would say that these folks.

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    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician @ #:

    I too like the M39, but finding one is a bitch at any kind of reasonable price.

    Not to rub it in, (Ok, maybe just a little) but when I last priced M39s, they were $35 each. Finn M91s were $30 and you could pick up a nice 8mm FN49 for $124 plus $6 shipping.

    Of course, that was in 1989 dollars… I’m getting old.

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    Draven32 growls and barks:

    LC LOBO says:

    Did someone say 7.62x54R ?? Here ya go. Light Ball 148 grain FMJ bullet, with LPS steel core.
    Draven32 @ #:
    Most of the Mosin statements-esp about its inaccuracy- are pretty Mosin-specific.
    I wonder if anyone would say that these folks.

    Can’t use the steel core stuff out here…

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Draven32 says:

    VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:
    in the comparison of M16,AK47,Mosin-Nagant, the Mosin could be replaced by any old school, full powered, battle rifle.

    Most of the Mosin statements-esp about its inaccuracy- are pretty Mosin-specific.

    No rifle that was used through a major war and not reconditioned to “like new” is going to be very accurate.

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    LC Moriarty @ # 49: I too remember those days, but I’ve priced them much more recently. Right up to the point where I had not seen one for months. More may come up. hell there’s probably some out there right now with my luck.
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