Things We Forgot

Now that I’ve finished picking the crow feathers out of my teeth for the dreadfully wrong call on the election it’s time for a little introspect.

We’ve done a lot of talking about how America has been moving more and more towards the dependency society and away from the working one, yet in the end we either didn’t believe our own words or we didn’t realize that America was already there. Personally I thought the 2008 election of Ogabe was a clear sign that progress towards the welfare state was indeed accelerating, and after 4-years of his incompetent, clueless governance my ideas were validated. What I didn’t expect was that we were a lot farther down the road to tyranny already. Our fellow citizens, along with it’s media cheerleader squad was perfectly willing to overlook or ignore one administration misadventure after another. We even thought that Libya was going to be the final nail in Obama’s coffin, yet the media, courtesy of storm Sandy was able to nearly hermetically seal the sickening travesty of Americans being willfully abandoned to die. Such is the measure of an ideology that history has shown is perfectly willing to let millions die in it’s endless pursuit of power. Team O and the MSM steno pool used Alinskyite tactics to perfection. Our measured, rational arguments on behalf of remaining a free people and rejecting the slavery of government dependence fell on deaf ears, or even worse was ridiculed as anachronistic and anti-modern. Daren Jonescu in a must read article at the American Thinker writes a brilliant, must read article: America Votes To End Modern Civilization.

In this age of Obama, this is what passes for public debate: the politically incorrect one is subjected to scorn and ridicule, is not allowed to respond, and the Leftists who are doing the ridiculing then congratulate themselves on their moral and intellectual superiority. It is not debate, but rather anti-debate, the absence of discussion, the parody of discourse. The point, in fact, is not to refute the assertions and claims of the ideological deviant in question, but merely to signal to the ideologically obedient that this person is to be shunned, is not to be listened to, not to be taken seriously, and above all not to be believed or emulated.

That friends, perfectly describes the ‘debate’ of public discourse during the election season as well as the actual presidential debates. How many times have we had the term ‘racist’ thrown at us followed by absolutely no direct response to our idea or question, and then the snickering of the leftist du jour as to how they indeed were so much more intellectual and nuanced than us? More than a simple debate tactic, the left is morally bankrupt and must devise a means to deal with the cold, hard logic of conservatism.

Given the invariable use of this tactic or some variant, they were successful not because it’s a winning tactic or even all that effective at less than winning, but the fact that the context they used it in made it effective. We can’t forget that the Party of Stoopid™ is still alive and well and like a child hanging onto their favorite blanket, insists on keeping to the high road with the losing idea that ‘we’re better than that’. Once again we saw a real gentleman in Mitt Romney holding back and smiling when verbally assaulted by the left. How many time did you find yourself screaming at the TV for Mitt to just fucking unload on whoever was slinging the steaming horseshit at him. He had numerous opportunities to punch Ogabe out in that last debate, but chose not to even bring up the topic of Benghazi or even Fast and Furious. Even the other side was stunned that Romney stayed away from much of controversy, choosing instead to give a pass to Ogabe and his prevarication accomplice.

I for one, over the course of the campaign found myself liking Romney much more than I did during the GOP primary donnybrook, letting myself forget that I had considered Romney a flawed candidate from the start being the one chosen by the GOP establishment as deserving of his ‘turn’ on the ticket. None of us should have been surprised at the viciousness of the demonrat’s campaigning, hell we predicted it, so why would our side stick to being on that high road when a round-house punch, followed by a kick to the gonads was in order? Hell, why did we even let the narrative that Obama was a nice guy, just mistaken ideologically fly? He’s a ruthless bastard that has no respect for anyone except Obama, a man that even sold his own grandmother in pursuit of the raw power of tyranny. Barack Hussein Obama was not running for the office of President, he was running for the title of Supreme Leader, Tyrant-in-Chief and like all leftist there is no morality in the means to your end.

But what happened? The talking head retreads of former administrations, I’m looking at you Rove and the hyper-intelligentsia RINOs like Kristol and that turd Frum gave their ‘expert’ advice to Team Romney and produced exactly the same results they did with Presidents Dole and McCain. The GOP has lost it’s First Principles. They decided the way to win elections was to be the nice guys and keep side-stepping to the left. Well I’ve got news for you assholes, we aren’t going to win by trying to out Democrat the Democrats. We aren’t going to win by not responding to the most egregious of mud-slinging lies. America loves winners and winners respond to gross injustice hurled out them whether they be physical blows or vicious, made-up slanders.

Like the Boss in his previous post, damned if I know what form our attack will take. It’s wickedly hard to fight folks that have decided that they want more free shit than freedom. It’s a difficult concept to explain to someone who has already taken Plan A. We do have to keep in mind though, that almost all of us thought Romney was a flawed candidate from the beginning and once he had the nod, he accepted all the old losing advice from the establishment and tried to win by angling to the center.

Conservative ideas are still boss in the animating contest of democracy, but it’s up to us to figure out how to convey them and make ‘em stick within an electorate that’s been carefully bred to be slaves to their ‘betters’ in the progressive party. Playing at progressive-lite sure as hell won’t do it. We need to reach out to the balkanized interest groups that have been indoctrinated by the left into having grievances that only democrat pols can solve. Porous borders are providing a generational bloc of reliably democrat voters. It sure as hell isn’t about amnesty, it’s about the dilution of our society’s traditional values of self-reliance by mostly uneducated, illiterate folks that are children to be cared for by the left. That is what we’re fighting.

Did the founders EVER think that attaining and maintaining a Republic was easy? Did we allow ourselves to think that simply winning an election would solve over 40-years of unhindered subversion by the left? This is the Long War for our Republic, much as the WoT, so it’s time to rebuild our own solidarity, share ideas and develop action plans, then off our asses and turn-to. We aren’t going to win by being the pussies the establishment wants, now is the time for ass-kickers, the Marines of Conservatism in the fight for freedom. We win by using the enemy’s tactics against him and better.

–Carry On

44 comments

  1. 1
    Orion growls and barks:

    And how do you think we’ll ever get someone elected again, when the elections are as fraudulent as we’ve seen? Hmm?

    Rhetoric is fine, but it ‘aint going anywhere to talk about appealing to voters when their votes do NOT count. It’s like talking about how much HARDER you’re going to throw those loaded dice and THIS time they’ll come up lucky 7′s!

    Um, no, they won’t. They’re loaded. Like our ‘elections’. The outcome is predetermined.

    Orion

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    There is no peaceful resolution to the problems facing this nation. The Republicans have proven themselves to be useless human garbage, and the Commies in the democrat party are worse. Every single one of our institutions and checks on the power of the government have failed us. Talk of co-opting or “voting” to change a system and culture that has been rigged against us conservatives at every level is wishful thinking of the worst kind. This has been demonstrated repeatedly and more viciously every election and media cycle over the past decade.

    No. We are living in a post-constitutional society, and the government only moves in one direction. You will not reverse an engine designed to ever increase it’s power and magnitude by participating in its forward momentum. The system will not allow it – look no further than the horsehittery that took place during the Republican National Convention.

    The only CHANCE we stand at fixing things is to burn it all to the ground and restart. I say “chance” because a good outcome from what needs to be done is no guarantee – hell, let’s be honest – it’s not even likely. But, at least it’s a chance. Sitting down like good little serfs and trying to win a rigged lottery is a certain recipe for failure. We have sat around and tolerated the boiling water until the only choices left are “probably screwed” and “assuredly screwed.”

    Nah. It’s over for this nation as a free land. The only question is, does America have enough people with the testicular fortitude left to roll the dice in an attempt to restart it once again? Jury is still out on that one.

    I’ll take a longshot any day of the week and twice on Sunday over guaranteed serfdom. Speaking personally.

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    bruce growls and barks:

    america voted for bongo and a lower standard of living because they believed the ministry of truth,msm now they can freeze their asses off in the winter.i live in the bluest of blue states which is known for voter fraud but i voted any way hoping enough people would wake up to the night mare we are now living in.it did not happen and now we will never be rid of bongo or the communist party rule.i never though it could happen here but with the ministry of truth,john dewy and the communits teachers union we now turn out a bunch of stupids who vote at 18 for a hand out.

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    LC Draco growls and barks:

    It’s really hard to win a war if you are fighting by one set of “Rules of Engagement” and the enemy is using a different one, if one at all.

    Just saying, is all. :em08:
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    Pockmark growls and barks:

    Orion says:

    And how do you think we’ll ever get someone elected again, when the elections are as fraudulent as we’ve seen? Hmm?

    So, Romney got more votes nationally, or at least more votes in enough swing states to win the electoral college, than President Obama? Is there any actual evidence of this?

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    “Conservative ideas are still boss..” of Nothing! The party and government of the Trash, by the Trash, and for the Trash, votes for plunder. It’s pannae et circusum until we hit bottom. Only then, when the self serving legal establishment which persecutes us cannot save themselves from the mob they surrendered to and joined long ago will We finally have leave to fight with whatever weaponry comes to hand. Deus Vult!

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    LC Spare Parts says:

    It’s pannae et circusum until we hit bottom.

    I agree, much like an addict they’ll do nothing to cure themselves until they hit bottom or the bottom comes up and hits them. I don’t have any illusions about where we’re going today. Call it a last desperate attempt to avoid the obvious and inevitable solution. I just feel obligated to give it a try if there is any hope of avoiding what will be CWII and the bloodshed. With that said I refuse to be a Chamberlain and be talking when it’s time to be shooting. My intent is to point out why what happened was nearly inevitable, so we move forward (no pun intended).

    LC Spare Parts says:

    Only then, when the self serving legal establishment which persecutes us cannot save themselves from the mob they surrendered to and joined long ago will We finally have leave to fight with whatever weaponry comes to hand. Deus Vult!

    Spot fucking on and when that time comes we need to take the offensive hard and early.
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    Spin Drift growls and barks:

    To all those who are advising to let the system crumble, ala Rush and company, I say HOLD FAST. We will start to hear of election shenanigans in the coming weeks and then you will realize that the few who did not show up in the count were actully there but counted for the wrong side or not at all.

    The party of Lincoln didn’t understand that you can’t win a wrestling match with a pig with out getting dirty. Some say that all future elections will be gamed, well let’s prove that we are better at Jungle Rules politics than they are. There is the 2014 race, the work to unseat the sniveling bastards starts soon. Support the TEA party candidates, support the conservative value candidate, primary oppose the lilly livered Republican. At the same time go after the democommunist. Grass roots door to door, editorials, signs. Go to the soup kitchens and educate the newly poor that the bad decision that they made last time can be rectified. Connect the dots of despotism. Raise money, create your own PAC, and to paraphrase the USMC rule of fighting, “Hit the other guy as hard as you can when he isn’t looking.”

    But remember this most of all, HOLD FAST. They have the hopey changitude but we have Faith. Faith in our Creator, Faith in each other, Faith in ourselves, Faith in our progeny for we will clutch and hold dear the faith that the smoldering ember of liberty ensconced in our bosom will not fade without a fight.

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    Duke Wayne growls and barks:

    Pockmark says:

    Orion says:
    Is there any actual evidence of this?

    The folks at the Rottweiler empire are not real big on evidence.

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    Terrapod growls and barks:

    Here is the first step in the long war.
    1) Every governor of a red state should immediately inform the Fedgov that they are filing intent to secede from the union if things do not change within 1 year of the new administration. Change being defined as 15% first year cut in all non defense spending across the federal board and closure of a number of rogue letter agencies.
    2) Every governor should recall their National Guard troops immediately, and provide assistance with them re-entering the normal workforce in their home state where their employers have not been able to protect their jobs..
    3) Every governor should inform the Fedgov that all federal taxes collected from residents of their state will first go to an escrow account controlled by the state, then every dollar that federal programs oblige the state to spend will be withdrawn from that account quarterly, anything left over will flow to the federal coffers at the end of each quarter and that its primary use shall be national defense and only if anything remains after national defense needs are covered, will anything flow to federal employee salaries and pensions.
    4) that if Fedgov has not actively reined in all the letter agencies expenses by an across the board 15% cut in the first year, abandoned green programs, authorized use of federal lands and toally eliminated the EPA and any other rogue agencies as required in 1) then all funds in the escrow account (other than an apportioned spending on national defense based on state population) will remain property of the state to cover to the extent possible any residual needs within the state.

    Let’s see how that gets the regimes attention for starters. And in my view, federal employees that currently earn near double what their counterparts in private industry earn, a 15% cut is a very generous subsidy.

    Let’s get started folks. Pressure your governors to get on board with the plan and to coordinate with their counterparts. This can and will get fixed.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Pockmark says:

    So, Romney got more votes nationally, or at least more votes in enough swing states to win the electoral college, than President Obama? Is there any actual evidence of this?

    Not with the widespread fraud perpetrated by the other side. Voting machines were rigged to vote Obama, when the person wanted Romney. Republican poll watchers were booted out of polling places (that should be illegal). Only one reason to do that. Several areas in Philly had 100-103% for Obama. HTH do you have 103% of anything? We don’t know how many votes Romney would have gotten from the military because…guess what?…several of the blue states DIDN’T SEND ballots to the military! Oiho (as Obama spells it) happened to “find” some 25k votes for Obama just as Romney was pulling ahead. A town in Oregon had nearly twice as many votes as they do population. Go figure.

    Duke Wayne says:

    The folks at the Rottweiler empire are not real big on evidence.

    Yet you continue to come here and crap on the carpet. There must be SOMETHING you are getting from us.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Duke Wayne “Blubbers something incoherent”

    Once the shooting starts him and people like him will be getting a good stout length of rope.

    I’ll watch from the sidelines while enjoying a cold Rolling Rock in my lawn chair. Maybe bring some pistachios.

    I don’t relish what’s coming. I don’t shirk away from my duty to my children and grandchildren either.

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    Duke Wayne growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Pockmark says:

    Yet you continue to come here and crap on the carpet. There must be SOMETHING you are getting from us.

    Same reason I watch Fox. Why waste time on a satire like Colbert when you can see the real thing.

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    It’s all fun and games until Satire shows up on your doorstep. On a completely unrelated note… hello good emperor… you mind sharing Duke’s ip address? I solemnly promise I won’t get caught doing anything with the information. :em01:

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    It’s wickedly hard to fight folks that have decided that they want more free shit than freedom.

    Not really – you simply have to give them a different frame of reference:

    “Which do you want- free shit or freedom?” yields a simple answer “free shit”. For many, if not most people, if they have every material thing that they want, they’re happy. They’ve got a safe certainty, as opposed to a risky uncertainty.

    “Which do you want – free shit in the form of a bullet in your brain stem or life?” yields an equally simple answer. Most will choose life, with all of its risks, over certain oblvion. They’re suddenly happy with uncertainty, however risky.

    The choice doesn’t even need to be that stark, but it does need to be framed in the sense of a certain pain/loss vs. possibility.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Spin Drift @ #:

    I say HOLD FAST.

    Concur. Success will absolutely follow!

    - Field Marshal Friedrich von Paulus

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Funny what a change in circumstance can do, Fa Cube…., you are so right.
    I’ve already chosen life, warts and all….it didn’t even take a bullet either, ..and being an ant by nature, seek to plan for the future, or potential futures, as best I can, for me and mine. Meaning us, the ants.

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    Duke Wayne growls and barks:

    HempRopeAndStreetlight says:

    On a completely unrelated note… hello good emperor… you mind sharing Duke’s ip address? I solemnly promise I won’t get caught doing anything with the information.

    i suppose that’s always an option for those who lack the mental capacity to respond to my posts with a little wit or intelligence.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:

    I agree, much like an addict they’ll do nothing to cure themselves until they hit bottom or the bottom comes up and hits them.

    I know all too well what that feels like. But maybe that is what America needs.

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    Orion growls and barks:

    @Pockmark:
    Facts:
    140%+ voter turnout in at least one Florida county. All of it breaking towards Obama.
    100%+ voter turnout in dozens of other critical battleground counties. All of it breaking towards Obama.
    Republican poll monitors chased away at gunpoint.
    Republican voters beaten.
    Black Panthers standing ‘guard’ over polling places to make sure only the ‘right’ folk vote.
    Thousands of death threats against Republican voters.
    Democrat voters being handed multiple ballots.
    Republican voters by the thousand being told their ballots had already been cast.
    Dozens of reports of voting machines swapping votes for Romney with votes for Obama.
    Polling places displaying Obama murals.
    ‘Non-Partisan’ Poll workers wearing Obama garb.
    ‘Non-Partisan’ Poll workers escorting voters into the booth and voting FOR them.
    Busloads of Somali non-citizens being escorted to the polls and ‘assisted’ to vote Democrat.
    Hundreds of thousands of Military ballots not being mailed, not being mailed on time, disappearing, being disqualified, or mysteriously being lost in a crash and fire.
    The list goes on. And On. And ON. And that’s just what was REPORTED.

    Now, for inference:
    A man who draws 30,000+ people to an open air speech in freezing weather, yet can’t somehow get 30,000 votes in that area. A man who over-fills venue after venue after venue with fired up, excited voters who wait hours and walk miles to see him, yet somehow, none of these folks turn out to vote for him two days later. Tons of statistical and anecdotal evidence showing rising enthusiasm and a surge in support yet when the vote comes down, no one shows up. His opponent, who even with top entertainment names can barely fill a High School Auditorium somehow manages to get more than 100% of all registered voters in that area to show up and ALL of them to vote for him. That stinks to high heaven.

    @Duke Wayne:
    Yeah, I don’t care much for facts or evidence. I’m a pilot, an aviation mechanic, a Soldier, a SCUBA diver, an Engineer, a solo wilderness-camper, and I work (IT) for a Law Enforcement Agency…None of these activities lend themselves well to trained, careful observation, nor evidence. I just go with what feels right, much like a liberal.

    Orion

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    BamaJack growls and barks:

    Yeah, that article is all well and good, eloquently written, and I hope you feel better for having gotten it off your chest and writing it, but I have news for you… We’re done. It’s over. I’m not a quitter, the war is over and we lost. Americans are stupid. They’re stupid and they won. The sooner you, me, and all of us realize and accept it’s over, the happier and better off we’ll all be. Some of you don’t know when you’re whipped. Let me help… We came out like a ratty boxer, immeasurably over confident, talking major shit, and got knocked out cold before we ever threw a single punch. In hindsight, we were the fighter you love to see LOSE. It’s over. KO. So keep whining if it makes you sleep at night. Those pent up emotions have to be expressed somehow I suppose, even if it’s at the expense of our pride from which the left is taking as they howl in laughter at our ramblings.

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    BamaJack says:

    We’re done. It’s over. I’m not a quitter, the war is over and we lost.

    BamaJack says:

    The sooner you, me, and all of us realize and accept it’s over

    BamaJack says:

    Some of you don’t know when you’re whipped.

    Who’s doing the whining here?

    BamaJack says:

    So keep whining if it makes you sleep at night.

    Duke Wayne says:

    Do tell? We writers here pride ourselves on dealing with factual evidence. The fact that you will often see us take the 48-hour rule on a breaking story should be a bit of an indicator. When we’re wrong we admit it. Notice the very beginning of my post.

    I’m not as nearly forgiving about using the ban hammer as the Emperor and one of the things that will make me pull that trigger is the path you’re on casting around bullshit like that. When you start a) making a point and b) defending it you’re free to say most anything you want, but merely stating without attribute that we’re short on facts isn’t taken very well.

    We”ve been dealing with your type around here for over 8 years now. What did you think, that we fell off the turnip truck last year. Run off now, mommy is calling for you to put on your jammies and go to bed.

    i suppose that’s always an option for those who lack the mental capacity to respond to my posts with a little wit or intelligence.

    If there ever was a perfect example of the inability of the left to actually debate, that is certainly it. Don’t answer the question, just bloviate about how we’re too stupid to understand your superior intellect. I don’t recall you making a cogent point on these pages yet. The fact that many of us chose to ignore you should be a clue as we say.
    Duke Wayne says:

    The folks at the Rottweiler empire are not real big on evidence.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:
    Kinda looks like BamaJack is giving up. All I can say is I hope that you don’t mind the chains of your masters. And honestly, no one really gives two shits about what puke drain “thinks”. My cat buries smarter crap than it.

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    Pockmark growls and barks:

    Orion says:

    @Pockmark:
    Facts.

    Well, let’s have a look see.

    140%+ voter turnout in at least one Florida county. All of it breaking towards Obama.

    Alright, first one and this already doesn’t look good. This is probably the simplest to explain. In fact, I did so, several times, in the comments on this very website. It took place in St. Lucie County. The voter turnout was not at 140%. The total number of registered voters was 175554. Total number of votes was 123591, which is about 70%. Total number of voter cards cast, however, was 247713, which is where you’re getting the 140% figure. The voters had to fill out a ballot that was 2 cards long. The machine counted them both.

    100%+ voter turnout in dozens of other critical battleground counties. All of it breaking towards Obama.

    Before I can even address this one, I have to correct two things. It wasn’t 100%+ turnout in dozens of counties. It was that Romney got 0% of the vote in a number of districts (districts make up counties). And you just need to check the demographics to see why. All urban areas in Cleveland, Detroit and Philadelphia where the Obama GOTV was at it’s strongest. And it’s not like this is new. In Philly, Romney got 0% of the vote in 59 districts. McCain got 0% of the vote in 57.

    Republican poll monitors chased away at gunpoint.

    This one is weird. In Detroit, a republican poll watcher claimed a voter in line asked for his credentials. After displaying them, the poll watcher claims the voter said he had a badge and a gun, and that the poll watcher should leave. The poll watcher did, and called the police. The police refused to respond. Michigan Republican Party Chairman Bobby Schostak issued a statement, and it appears there was a story on the Michigan GOP homepage, but it’s not there anymore. I think, at best, we can say a poll watcher was threaten by a voter who claimed to have a gun, which if true, is terrible and there needs to be an investigation. But there’s zero verification. And it certainly wasn’t multiple monitors chased away at gunpoint.

    Republican voters beaten.

    I’ll admit, I came up empty looking into this one. Only thing I could find were stories like this one.

    Black Panthers standing ‘guard’ over polling places to make sure only the ‘right’ folk vote.

    You mean this guy? Skip to 0:45. It’s the best part.

    Thousands of death threats against Republican voters.

    Again, I couldn’t find much support for this either. Was it similar to the way that Democrats were told (and are being told) that the country would turn into an episode of The Walking Dead if (now that) Obama was (has been) elected?

    Democrat voters being handed multiple ballots.

    Can’t find anything on this one except for a couple of counties in Washington where all voters got 2 by mistake.

    Republican voters by the thousand being told their ballots had already been cast.

    The only sources for this seems to be from tweets on election day. They don’t even appear to be from poll watchers, just voters. Not to say that means they’re not true. I just doesn’t mean they are too. Anecdotal evidence, yes. Fact, no.

    Also, in that twitchy link, they have tweets from people “claiming” to have voted multiple times. And, call me crazy, but I don’t think there’s one I can’t the feel sarcasm dripping off of.

    Dozens of reports of voting machines swapping votes for Romney with votes for Obama.

    I did see this story. At least this time it’s from a poll watcher who uses his full name. It’ll be interesting to see where this goes, but right now it’s one guys word. Again, anecdotal, not factual. Like how this is factual.

    Polling places displaying Obama murals.

    I guess you mean this. A mural of Obama with the words Hope and Change that had been on the wall of the Elementary school cafeteria since 2009. It certainly should have been covered up, those are the rules. But unless they used some kind of hypno-ink to paint it, I don’t know how this is voter fraud.

    ‘Non-Partisan’ Poll workers wearing Obama garb.

    This guy? Yup, he’s a poll worker, wearing an Obama hat, in Obama’s home ward. Same as above. He shouldn’t be doing it, it’s against the rules. But it’s not voter fraud. Oh, and this is amusing. That Breitbart story concludes with a prediction that more poll workers wearing Obama swag will be found as the day progresses. But that’s the only story they have on the subject.

    ‘Non-Partisan’ Poll workers escorting voters into the booth and voting FOR them.
    Busloads of Somali non-citizens being escorted to the polls and ‘assisted’ to vote Democrat.

    These will have to go together, because the only time I saw the former mentioned was in a story about the latter. Apparently Democrats brought van loads of Somali immigrants to a polling station in Columbus, Ohio for early voting. The sources remain anonymous, no evidence of given to suggest they’re not eligible voters and the story contradicts itself by stating in the update that a Republican interpreter was there and that the story has been modified, but then proceeds to state in the story “there are not any Republican Somali interpreters available.” Also, the story is 18 days old, and promises the provide additional updates. The only one it provides, that a Republican interpeter was actually there, makes the whole thing seem less like voter fraud.

    Hundreds of thousands of Military ballots not being mailed, not being mailed on time, disappearing, being disqualified, or mysteriously being lost in a crash and fire.

    I’m gonna beg off this one, for now. Judging by the posts and comments I’ve read so far, there’s quite a few vets on this site and I don’t want to step on any toes. So if you would kindly provide me with the facts you’re going off of to back up this claim, I’ll have a look and come to a conclusion. I don’t want to run off, do some readings and. miss something you haven’t.

    The list goes on. And On. And ON. And that’s just what was REPORTED

    You know, I don’t think it does. A few of those examples were really scrapping the bottom of the barrel, so I think if there were more, you would have gone on. And capital O on. And ALL CAPS on.

    And are you really suggesting that there’s much more that’s gone unreported? In the age of twitter, camera phones, youtube, the blogosphere and burning political animosity between the two major parties, no one has any concrete evidence of this massive, massive amount of voter fraud you suggest took place?

    Now, for inference:
    A man who draws 30,000+ people to an open air speech in freezing weather, yet can’t somehow get 30,000 votes in that area. A man who over-fills venue after venue after venue with fired up, excited voters who wait hours and walk miles to see him, yet somehow, none of these folks turn out to vote for him two days later. Tons of statistical and anecdotal evidence showing rising enthusiasm and a surge in support yet when the vote comes down, no one shows up. His opponent, who even with top entertainment names can barely fill a High School Auditorium somehow manages to get more than 100% of all registered voters in that area to show up and ALL of them to vote for him. That stinks to high heaven.

    I think this is your problem. The statistical and anecdotal evidence was not in your favor during the course of this election. Romney was doing terrible for almost the entire campaign. When he finally showed some life in the first debate, the media went crazy for it, because they could finally treat the entire event like the horserace and dagnabbit, that’s how they likes it. But that’s all it was. A fluffy huff of puff. The arithmatic consistently showed Obama winning this election.

    It almost seems like some Romney supporters, and maybe Romney himself, were in some kind of bubble. An echo chamber with reality proof glass. Pundits said what you wanted to hear, and you listened, because it’s what you wanted to hear. You ignore polls that didn’t go your way, and you took anecdotes about less Obama yard signs as proof of a Republican Landslide. The rest of wondered how you all could be so gosh darned optimistic.

    It really is the Vast Ring-Wing Telephone Game. It’s the same way a poorly sourced story about an anonymous poll watcher threatened with a gun no one saw turns into “Republican poll monitors chased away at gunpoint”. If you guys are serious about avoiding the I AM LEGEND scenerio you keep going on about, maybe that would be a good habit to break? Maybe not though. Some things never fall.

    Pock

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Not a quitter? That’s what giving up is…………
    I won’t, ever. I may be silent, or calculating……many of we dumb hicks don’t believe in that.
    Like they said about the original wagon trains.
    The cowards never started and the weak died on the way……..
    I don’t think I look good with a collar on….it’s soul murder.
    And nobody’s ever gonna find out…..

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Pockmark @ #:

    That’s a lot of points that I have not a chance of even beginning to respond to right now. The only reason I’m posting this right now is that I just found your comment in moderation (automatic thing done by the spam filter due to the number of links in it, but those get rescued from purgatory right quick around here by the staffers) and wanted to let you know that that’s the sort of comment that I like.

    Not because of what you’re saying, I haven’t had time to ponder it yet, but because it shows good research and a commitment to make an actual counterpoint instead of just posting “I am rubber, you are glue.”

    Respect. I appreciate your contribution, although I am still fundamentally in disagreement with you, but I haven’t had time to fully explore your counterpoints. You might change my mind, you might not, but you put some effort into it. That’s what debate is all about.
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    Pockmark growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Respect. I appreciate your contribution, although I am still fundamentally in disagreement with you, but I haven’t had time to fully explore your counterpoints. You might change my mind, you might not, but you put some effort into it. That’s what debate is all about.

    Word.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    In Detroit, a republican poll watcher claimed a voter in line asked for his credentials. After displaying them, the poll watcher claims the voter said he had a badge and a gun, and that the poll watcher should leave. The poll watcher did, and called the police. The police refused to respond.

    “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!” That’s pathetic. You’ve got a badge? Let’s see your steenkin’ badge. I have a pocket full of grenades/a magic wand that really works/a concealed-carry permit. Show me your credentials,@$$#0|€! (If he produces a gun without a badge, disarm an/or loudly draw attention to the punk.) Just sayin’…

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    We win by using the enemy’s tactics against him and better.

    That means, at least in part, recruiting serious legbreakers to counter the threat of violence and periodic actual violence from Lefty union goons.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    BamaJack @ #:

    Americans are stupid. They’re stupid and they won

    They aren’t stupid – at least not individually. If it is clear that the government is going to be handing out free stuff, it makes sense (as an individual) to vote for the government most likely to give you the most free stuff. As a society, such voting is unwise, but as individuals, it makes absolute sense.

    The GOP has been utterly incapable of arguing why liberty and freedom will provide the individual with better return than guaranteed free stuff. A large part of this incapability is because the guys who are supposed to be arguing it absolutely do not believe it. They want to hand out free stuff to buy votes, they just want to do it in a better-managed fashion.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Duke Wayne @ #:

    Why? Your posts are devoid of either.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Alright, Pock, I’ve had some more time now to go through your post and you do make a lot of good points.

    For instance, your explanation of how the “140% turnout in St. Lucie” story came to be sounds quite plausible. I can certainly see how numbers might have gotten mixed up with some reporting number of cards counted and some reporting number of actual votes counted. Not saying that’s what’s happened, but I’m also not saying that it didn’t. I don’t know, but the explanation sounds as plausible as the allegation. It would take an investigation to find out for sure, but at this point I’m not married to either side anymore.

    Same goes for most of your other points. Yes, it is well known that stories tend to get blown out of proportion as they get passed on from one person to the next. Again, it would require a thorough, impartial investigation to dig to the bottom of this, and we both know that’s never going to happen. One side is too obsessed with being “good losers” to demand one and the other has absolutely zero interest in conducting one.

    Which brings me to another thing, and that’s what bothers me overall: First I’ll admit that yes, it’s no more than a “gut feeling”, but people misunderestimate, to use one of my favorite made up words, the value of “gut feelings” as they’re not only the product of what you know that you know, they also draw on what you no longer remember that you know. This is not to say that they’re infallible, nothing is, but they’re not as silly as some people would like to portray them as being. My “gut feeling” here is that it’s passing strange that all of those various little and not so little incidents always take place in districts that turn out Democrat. All of them. Every election. Every. Single. Time. Just a bit of a head scratcher there, but I’m not convinced that it’s not something more than that.

    Oh, and as to the “hypno-ink”, I thought that was kind of funny too. Though not quite as funny as you might have intended it to be. Rules are rules (and, in all fairness, you at no point suggest that they aren’t), and though they may seem silly (posters hypnotizing people to vote different than they normally would, haha), they’re put into place for a reason, and that reason isn’t to keep voting places clean and uncluttered.

    Environment does influence our decisions, or advertising agencies and political campaigns wouldn’t be wasting billions on slapping slogans and images up everywhere we go. It’s sad, because human beings would like to believe that we’re above such silliness, but it’s nevertheless true. If you walk into a voting place crammed with posters, slogans and representatives for one particular side, then you will be influenced by it. People are different, but as a whole it will push them towards the side represented for any number of reasons. Human beings are social animals and most don’t much like being “rebels behind enemy lines”, some are also paranoid, wondering if their vote really is secret and, if it isn’t, what might happen to them if they vote for the guy running against the guy clearly preferred by this particular location? And so on and so forth.

    Imagine going to vote for the next leader of Germany. Now imagine that you arrive at the location to find it plastered with posters of Adolf and lined with brownshirts. Yeah, I’m sure you get my point and no, it’s NOT that Ogabe is going to invade Poland and kill all the Jews. Sure, all of those brownshirts are just standing there minding their own business and hey, how’s a few pictures of Adolf going to hypnotize you into voting for him? Hahaha. Only it’s not so funny.

    Anyway, that’s all I’ve got for now. Thanks again for contributing, I appreciate having the opportunity to debate with somebody who has clearly thought about what he’s saying. :)
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Duke Wayne says:

    i suppose that’s always an option for those who lack the mental capacity to respond to my posts with a little wit or intelligence.

    Thank you for providing a perfect example of somebody who DIDN’T bring his brains to the keyboard.

    And then crawl the fuck down from that pathetic cross you made for yourself. You look silly up there.

    But, just in case you really, seriously think that HempRopeAndStreetlight was doing anything more sinister than yanking your chain, let me state it one more time: No, nobody hands out IPs to anybody, no matter how terminally cluefucked the poster is. That is not how we roll. The only, ONLY conceivable way that could happen is if there was a clear, unambiguous, credible and illegal threat being issued, and in that case the information would go straight to law enforcement and nowhere else.

    So yes, you can calm down again, you hysterical pussy.
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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Misha… gut feelings have literally saved my life on two occasions…..saved me a lot of trouble many times…I don’t discount them. I am known amongst my circle of having strong, accurate ones, harbingers, if you will.
    This one is strong and persistent, all I can do is remain the ant, looking after myself and my own people.

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    Pockmark growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    I appreciate the gracious and thoughtful response, and I’m glad to see that my small contributions are providing a reasoned argument. It’s been a long time since I posted on any sort of internet forum, but at one time I would engage all kinds of different topics and I don’t believe I used to be this reasonable. Personal growth.

    I kind of agree with you about the “hypno-ink” line. It’s only sorta funny, especially to this particular audience. I hesitated including it, but in the end I did because, it IS sorta funny and the context was a little silly. Orion said it was a fact that “Polling places displaying Obama murals” and that this contributed to voter fraud. There was 1 example of a mural in a polling station. It was an elementary school cafeteria and the mural had been there for 3 years. The only other example I could find of any sort of Obama advertisement in a polling station was this. My glib response was a reaction to the seriousness in which Orion was making his case.

    But I do agree with your larger point, 100%. Environment does influence our decisions. Advertising works, otherwise they wouldn’t spend so much money on it. The way candidates are sold to us like a hamburger or a reformulated laundry detergent is a huge problem facing the experiment we live in called democracy. Polling stations should be kept clear of posted political advertisements, and I believe that’s why a week after the 2012 Elections, and in a world where most people carry something with a built in camera, only two examples of rule breaking have surfaced.

    I am going to disagree with your analysis of the St. Lucie County non-story. There’s no way the allegation is as plausible as the explanation. On page four of this document, it states the total vote, 123591, along with the total registered voters, 175554. The allegation is that 140% of the registered voters of St. Lucie county voted. The evidence does not support this at all.

    Anyway, I hope to stick around here for a while. I might crack jokes and mock any foolishness I perceive, but it doesn’t look like thick skin is in short supply round these parts. My political assumptions (and conclusions) are in stark contrast to much of what I’ve read on this site. But I like the passion. At least you guys give a fuck.

    Pock.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    The left has destroyed everything it has come in contact with. The same crowd that bans a 32oz bottle of soda legalizes marijuana in two states.

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    Pockmark growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    The same crowd that bans a 32oz bottle of soda legalizes marijuana in two states.

    Banning the sale of sugary drinks in containers over 16oz (all the while still allowing the customer to purchase multiple servings) is a little dim. But especially if you’re going to legalize the sale of marijuana. Have these people never heard of “the pasties”?

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    Pockmark says:

    At least you guys give a fuck.

    Very much so, in fact many of us give so much of a fuck that we have fought and bled for our beliefs. That passion is why you see us so livid right now. We are patriots, we love our country, its institutions, our republic, and the Constitution which has served us so well. We are also students of history and we see what has happened, what is happening, and know painfully well what may happen. Our rhetoric and our vitriol here go over the top because we know that here we can vent and argue in “colorful” terms amongst like minded individuals. And yes, we do have thick skins. None of us here will throw a punch without being able to take one in return. In the America we remember and love they called that being a man. It is a commodity in scarce supply anymore,

    Yer alright Pockmark. As long as you can debate with logic, humor, some sarcasm, and a few good right hooks, you’ll get along just fine here,
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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. @ #:

    and a few good right hooks

    Just not to the face Bro. My looks is all I got. :em05:

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    LC LOBO says:

    My looks is all I got.

    That’s why I’ve always said I have a face for radio brudda…..
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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:
    Aye. I once took my mask off at Halloween, in a bar. People paid me to put it back on.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Pockmark says:

    I kind of agree with you about the “hypno-ink” line. It’s only sorta funny, especially to this particular audience. I hesitated including it, but in the end I did because, it IS sorta funny and the context was a little silly.

    Please don’t ever hesitate to be a little silly around here. Silly is good because, as the 11th Commandment sayeth, “thou shalt not take thyself too seriously.” And Orion wasn’t wrong, pressuring voters into working a certain way may not, technically, be “voter fraud” as in “falsifying votes”, but it’s still highly inappropriate and no less deleterious to a free nation. It doesn’t really matter, in the end, whether you got the vote switched because you falsified the ballot or because you pressured the voter into, so to speak, falsifying it FOR you by voting in a different way than he normally would.

    The magnitude of the problem? You may scoff at that, but there are ways other than the blatantly obvious to influence people inappropriately at the voting location. Main thing is: We appear to agree that any sort of pressure, manipulation, call it anything at all, is unacceptable.

    Pockmark says:

    I am going to disagree with your analysis of the St. Lucie County non-story. There’s no way the allegation is as plausible as the explanation. On page four of this document, it states the total vote, 123591, along with the total registered voters, 175554. The allegation is that 140% of the registered voters of St. Lucie county voted. The evidence does not support this at all.

    Good point and, as it stands, you’re probably right. Not to say that other shenanigans are ruled out, but I’d agree that at this point the “140% turnout in St. Lucie” story sounds like the result of a lot of noise leading to the wrong conclusions, as is often the case in the early days after an event. Everybody is talking at the same time, so the result is bound to be a bit muddled.

    Pockmark says:

    Anyway, I hope to stick around here for a while. I might crack jokes and mock any foolishness I perceive, but it doesn’t look like thick skin is in short supply round these parts. My political assumptions (and conclusions) are in stark contrast to much of what I’ve read on this site. But I like the passion. At least you guys give a fuck.

    You’re right about that, Pock, all of it. Thick skin is sort of a prerequisite if anybody wants to stay around for any amount of time here, and that goes for all of us. We’ll rip into people we normally agree with completely from time to time because there’s nothing as cathartic as getting the shit out of the system. It’s unhealthy to bottle it up and, at the end of the day, it’s just words on a screen and can be hella fun too.

    You like the passion? Good, we do too. We already have a piece of common ground then. And it doesn’t matter if you generally disagree with “us” (TINU), all that matters is that you, if you’ll pardon me borrowing your own words, give a fuck AND give as well as you take and take as well as you give. Combine that with presenting arguments instead of noise and we’ll have a good time together, I think.

    So welcome aboard. Enjoy the ride and, for fuck’s sakes, don’t click on any links provided by Radical Redneck or B.C.. They’ll scar your soul for life. If you choose to ignore this piece of advice, however, please be advised that the only cure is Imperial Brain Bleach™ available from yours truly, and that we offer bulk discounts.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Pockmark says:

    Banning the sale of sugary drinks in containers over 16oz (all the while still allowing the customer to purchase multiple servings) is a little dim. But especially if you’re going to legalize the sale of marijuana. Have these people never heard of “the pasties”?

    :em05:

    You got THAT right! Only thing that could top that in sheer stupidity would be to also ban the sale of Doritos.
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