Frenchies Lead the Way

Allow us a moment to reflect upon the shame of being behind the fwenchies while pwesident pwesent holidays in Rio, leaving the beaches just long enough to issue a feeble “me too!”

Not exactly an “a day that shall live in infamy” moment.

Nevertheless… If the french finding their testicles is what it takes to get pwesident twinkletoes off the links long enough to be of any use whatsoever, then we’ll take it. Good job, France, on both counts.

As to the “should we or shouldn’t we?”, we have a few principles that we like to adhere to whenever that question comes up:

1) If you fuck with the U.S., you die. It may take a long time coming, but we don’t forget and we don’t forgive. You WILL die.

2) We always talk about our commitment to and support of freedom and democracy. We mean it too, so if you’re a fuckwit, genocidal tinpot tyrant who likes to mow civilians down with automatic weapons, you better look over your shoulder, pissant, because we’ll be coming and Hell rides with us.

3) Don’t fuck with us. If you choose to do so, see 1).

Thatisall.

75 comments

  1. 1
    LC BOATS growls and barks:

    I don’t know what kind of government will replace the current one in Libya but unless they murder even more of their own people it has to be a better one. That said –what Obama has done or rather what he hasn’t done just makes me even more ashamed of having to admit he is our so called leader. The world is in melt down and the idiot thinks that is a good reason to go party in Rio–piece of :em72:

  2. 2
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    To put things in perspective, let’s compare and contrast:

    President Reagan’s Address to the Nation on U.S. Air Strike against Libya – 4/14/86

    and

    President Obama’s Statement on Libya

    As a side note, Obama says that the U.S. is helping to enforce UN resolutions.

    When will the moonbat chants of “Obama lied-people died” begin?

    After all “Dubya” got approval from the UN to invade Iraq and enforce UN resolutions.

    The moonbats proceeded to go apeshit.

    Will Obama get the same “treatment”? (A rhetorical question because I think we all know the answer…)

  3. 3

    Anyone besides me notice the complete hypocrisy over the make believe media trumpeting the fact that Ogabe got a UN resolution before we started .. but call Bush a criminal because he didnt get a 17th one before going into Iraq?

    And another amusing thing … over on DU there’s actually people saying we shouldn’t be doing this.

  4. 4

    Response to DJ Allyn, ITW @:

    No compelling national interest .. pay attention to oil prices lately? Thdy DO export oil ..

    And I won’t even comment on your blowing up brown people comment. I doubt that you are that far gone as to believe that statement.

    The amusing thing is that most of the far Left is giving Ogabe a pass because he got one UN resolution supporting this. Hussein ignored 16. And that doesn’t even address the fact that Hussein violated the ceasefire agreement multiple times from Desert Storm. That alone, apart from any useless UN resolutions, gave us the right to resume hostilities.

    I will say this much – it’s amusing as hell to watch the anti war left go into fits of self hatred over this :em95:

  5. 5
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    Funny, didn’t Fwance refuse to let us fly through their airspace to bomb Libya back in the day?

  6. 6
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    This isn’t our beef. We have no national interest involved.

    Oh, but you’re wrong about that. We want the world to know that we have a habit of bombing bad guys, as a matter of fact we have a vested interest in that. Last time we went a-tyrant hunting was when Qaddy-boy suddenly wet himself and decided to go without nukes. We also want nothing to fuck up our oil supply. Of course, we could handle that differently by, say, using our own resources, but apparently Ogabe feels more strongly about denying Americans their own resources than he does about dumping a gross of Tomahawks on the heads of little brown people and hey, if that’s how he wants to play it… Actually, you and I both know that he didn’t want to play it at all. Remember his “bearing witness” when the mullahs were doing the exact same thing in Iran? Only this time he ended up having to do something rather than have the EU, of all places, show him up as the vacillating, pusillanimous, “pwesent”-voting, useless sack of shiite that he is.

    Oh, and we owe Qaddy-boy. We owe him a big, huge, painful kick in the keister and a shallow grave. It’s that whole “never forgive, never forget” thing.

    Sounds like plenty of reasons to me.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    And with all of the tantrums the Right is having over our deficit, the LAST thing we need to be doing is spending money to blow things up.

    But we happen to like spending money on blowing shit up. And just think about how many Tomahawks and drones we can buy just with the money that Mad Uncle Joe “Choo Choo” Biden wants to waste on his gleaming new train set. Oh, sorry. HIGH SPEED train set!

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    And he was very selective about which ones he was going to pay attention to.

    Well, when you’ve got no less than 17 previously ignored ones to choose from, it leaves you with plenty of wiggle room.

  7. 7
    LC SleepTech: Pale Hore Wisperer growls and barks:

    Deej Barked,

    This isn’t our beef. We have no national interest involved. France is more than capable of doing this — they don’t really need us — let them get jiggy with it.

    Actually, I agree with DJ on this, but not for the reason he thinks. I agree because all of them, both sides, are mooseturds. I say, let them kill each other to death and contain it to the borders of mooseturd countries. When enough of the mooseturds have killed each other off. We won’t have that hard of a job of finishing off the rest.

  8. 8
    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    I almost didn’t want to mention the shame I felt when the ‘Surrenderist Fwench’ beat the US to the punch, but then I had to take into account who the pResident was. Since he has not proven himself to be an actual American Citizen, this incident doesn’t really count.

  9. 9
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Our HarangueOutan proclaimed:

    It is a symbolic action that really will not accomplish a damn thing. It isn’t going to drive Ga-Daffy Duck from power, it won’t stop him from using his ground troops to wage a ground war

    Resistance is futile. The All-Knowing One has spoken! I have seen the future, & it sucks.

    and most of all, I could give a flying fuck what they do to each other over there.

    Presumably indicating more concern than being unable to.

    Their country, their problem. We have more important things right here at home to worry about.

    Isolationism lives!

    I swear, Conservatives and their need to blow up things…. Sheese.

    You mean right-wingers like Obi-Wrong Baracki? And do you also mean “Sheesh?” Or are you thinking of Scheisse?

  10. 10
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    DJ attempts “to make us think” with the following bits of “incisive commentary”:

    Whatever for?

    Well for starters, to compel you to post yet another series of inane, snarky comments as you attempt to defend/excuse Obongo and his antics.

    Remember you are talking about a president who hightailed it immediately after our Marines got blown up in Beirut.

    You neglect to mention that it was the Democrat led Congress who insisted that the U.S. withdraw from Beirut three months later.

    He could talk tough, but he wasn’t all that.

    Tell that to the Soviet Union er, wait, that’s right…the Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore.

    The REAL amusing thing is that you actually go over to DU. I haven’t been there in years, myself.

    I wouldn’t give them the “traffic” myself but I do keep up with their idiocy via DUmmie FUnnies.

    I swear, Conservatives and their need to blow up things…. Sheese.

    I swear, Liberals and their need to lie, obfuscate and demand entitlements….UnF**kingbelievable. :em99:

  11. 11
    ZeektheCruel growls and barks:

    Here’s a conspiracy theory for the crowd. Maybe the Frogs are leading the campaign so they can, after a brokered victory, finally have a place to land all the rioting youth (whose religious affiliation will remain anonymous or course) back in the continent they came from.

    Well, any way, Vive la France! It’s about time a European “power” decided to set their own defense tempo for once.

  12. 12
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Oh dear, jugears better be careful because some of his own teammates are busy sharpening their knives over the use of cruise missiles in Libya.

    Eh, who’s kidding whom? It’s just wild chatter that will cease once jugears get back from his latest vacation.

  13. 13
    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    I wonder how much flack W would be taking if he were still POTUS and was in TX right about now…..

    Never mind that the current HNIC is VACATIONING in RIO!!!!!! (Note to Management. I did NOT type out the word, so I kept my word).

  14. 14
    Library Czar growls and barks:

    I agree with DJ, we should have stayed out of this. Mooslimbs killing mooslimbs might not be a bad thing.

  15. 15
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    LC Gunsniper says:

    Oh dear, jugears better be careful because some of his own teammates are busy sharpening their knives over the use of cruise missiles in Libya.

    A money quote from the article:

    And liberals fumed that Congress hadn’t been formally consulted before the attack and expressed concern that it would lead to a third U.S. war in the Muslim world.

    So, once again, the Imposter-in-chief shows that he has no regard for the rule of law. IIRC, Bush got pretty much unanimous support from the democrat congress.

    I can’t WAIT for my liberal buddy to try to spin this one into Bonzo’s favor…because to him Bonzo is the wisest, most intelligent, most qualified man to ever sit in the Oval Office.

  16. 16
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    I could give a flying fuck what they do to each other over there. Their country, their problem.

    If we should ever someday find ourselves under a brutal dictator like Daffy Qadaffy,rebelling for our freedom, and unable to get out from under, I would hope there would be a foreign country somewhere on this planet that would be willing to come to OUR aid and assistance.

  17. 17
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Library Czar says:

    I agree with DJ, we should have stayed out of this. Mooslimbs killing mooslimbs might not be a bad thing.

    Just consider it payback for the PanAm flight over Lockerbie, Scotland.

  18. 18

    I find myself in the strange position of having to agree with Deej. The Europeans have a much bigger stake in Libyan oil than we do, and even THAT is not that much. They get most of their energy needs fulfilled by Russia. Italy is about the biggest consumer of Libyan oil. They do, however, have some investments and industry there that makes Libya of national interest to them. Us? Meh. Not so much.

    Odyssey Dawn will cost us plenty. Additionally, I’m seeing this murky dream of some neocons pressuring Zero into putting boots on the ground, because OH! WE BOMBED THEM INTO THE STONE AGE, AND DESTABILIZED THE REGION, AND NOW WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HELPING THEM OUT WITH A LITTLE NATIONBUILDING. How much will THAT cost us? How long before Zero sends US assets over there to “help?” THAT is where I see this going, and frankly, our national interests are not all that great over there that I’m willing to sacrifice the resources at a time when our deficits and debts are out of control.

    Additionally, I think the French are the perfect nation to lead this. Libya exports something like 14 percent of its oil to France. The French are no longer the cowardly shitbags they were several years ago. Sarkozy integrated them back into NATO military structure – against considerable public opposition, I might add. They’ve begun spending considerable amounts of money on defense (they’re one of 5 nations that currently meet the NATO benchmark defense burden of 2 percent of GDP). And they’re willing to lead this mission.

    While in the short term, there’s a part of me that’s considerably warmed by the thought of blowing up Qadhafi, the logical, rational part of me says, we have no business there, and this will cost us dearly in the long run.

  19. 19
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Well the “Arab League” is now saying that our little use of force foray was “too much” as reported by by Fox. Why isn’t the Arab League using its pilots and resources to deal with this? We could have easily voted for the resolution and then let the Euro’s and the Arab League do what ever they want. Hell we could’ve required that the Arab League shoulder the military burden in order to secure our vote. The fucking Russians and Chinese abstained from voting. To me this is about requiring those with the MOST interest in the situation to accept responsibility. And if we are going to be involved in this, lets just target Gaddafi himself and get this bullshit over with.

  20. 20
    Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allynsky,Internet Tech Weenie says:

    This isn’t our beef. We have no national interest involved. France is more than capable of doing this — they don’t really need us — let them get jiggy with it.

    We don’t need to be getting involved in another costly military action. We haven’t finished the two we have going on right now.

    OMG, for once I agree with DJ………………..Am I sick??
    The truth is ,Libya supplies the usa with only 1.5% of our oil, and our refineries are running at only 65% capacity. No way we need to do this. And Deej is right (and it galls me to admit it) but we cant afford this right now. Now somebody call the paramedics, I think Im hallunicinating……………………………..

  21. 21
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Just wait for the medication to kick in, Gladiator…you will be fine. :em99: And yes, I’m torn on this issue,too. Muslims killing muslims may prove fine spectator sport……I have nooo issue with that. I am concerned with domestic reprisals though, a Lockerbie type incident. And yes, the Frogs and Brits have far more to lose here. However, all oil markets wil lbe impacted, and not just this, but Japan as well. Personally I would help Japan and tell Khadafy to suck ass. Maybe I’m wrong, I dunno.

  22. 22
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Oh yeah ( I almost forgot) while Im drawing fire …

    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:

    Never mind that the current HNIC is VACATIONING in RIO!!!!!! (Note to Management. I did NOT type out the word, so I kept my word).

    If that is your idea of of keeping your word, your sense of honor is as shallow as a mud puddle.

  23. 23
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    If the Libyans want a new Muslim leader, can’t we just give them ours?
    Now maybe I need some medication…sheesh.

  24. 24
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    I just want to know where all of the self-righteously indignant lefties are with their mass protests against an “illegal war for oil”?

  25. 25
    Light29ID growls and barks:

    Actually the French, Spanish, Brits, Italians and Germans (yes they’re not “helping”…and if you believe that I have some prime real estate in the Arctic for yea) all have skin in this game:

    1) Oil; gas is $11 bucks in Britain and God save the Queens ass if it goes up even further.

    2) Having that nut-job succeed in keeping power will turn him into a unguided missile all over the Med turning Libya into another haven for pirates (i.e. Somalia) and costing billions to keep him stuffed in a box. Not to mention he will go shopping for top-of-the-line weapons from China, NK and maybe even Russia.

    3) The Strait of Gibraltar; does anybody think that this whackjob wouldn’t do something to interfere with traffic through the Strait? Morocco ain’t exactly friendly to the West and if Gaffyduck can insure some stability there then the Moroccans just might let Libyan “advisers” in.

    4) Refugees; the last fucking thing that Europe needs right now is another few hundred thousand Assholes for Allah washing up on the shores of the Rivera and Sicily.

    Yeah, the Europeans would have done this with or without King Obongo the Narcissists permission. They have to much to lose to worry about what Asshole thinks.

  26. 26
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    I guess maybe I look at it more simplistically. Gadafi is a bully. He’s been asked…politely at first, then more forcefully…to quit his bullying. He hasn’t. Maybe it’s time for someone bigger and stronger than he is to drive home the point.

  27. 27
    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Oh yeah ( I almost forgot) while Im drawing fire …
    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:
    Never mind that the current HNIC is VACATIONING in RIO!!!!!! (Note to Management. I did NOT type out the word, so I kept my word).

    If that is your idea of of keeping your word, your sense of honor is as shallow as a mud puddle.

    Actually Troy when I saw HNIC the first thing that popped into my mind was “Head Non-Citizen in Charge”. Which to me just proves that his Honor is deeper than your so-called sense of humor!

  28. 28

    Light29ID says:

    Yeah, the Europeans would have done this with or without King Obongo the Narcissists permission. They have to much to lose to worry about what Asshole thinks.

    and it’s not like they don’t owe us for a couple of ass savings in the recent past.

  29. 29
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    LC Old Dog says:

    Actually Troy when I saw HNIC the first thing that popped into my mind was “Head Non-Citizen in Charge”. Which to me just proves that his Honor is deeper than your so-called sense of humor!

    Oh PUHlease! If you support what the guy wrote then just man up and say so, but save the bullshit. OK?

    No one was talking about the “first” thing anyone “thought.” What I was referring to was this guys poor attempt to excuse his behavior after obviously having given his word to not engage in the behavior.

    I apologize for not finding the HNIC reference humorous, I am obviously deficient in “finding the humor in complete fucking ignorance” category and promise to work on it in the future. You wanna continue this discussion, I respectfully suggest that we take this to the open thread.

  30. 30
    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    OK Troy, meet you over at the bottom of “What this place REALLY needs is a Bloody Open Thread”!

  31. 31
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    #2 Elephant Man:

    Wow. What a difference “a set” makes. Reagan had one. Obummer? Ole Gnat Nads.

    Reagan rightly pointed out that it’s un-American (remember that concept?) to sit by while our people are blown up and killed by terrorist bastards. “And I won’t.”

    I sure miss him.

    Re the current unpleasantness, we should just find out where the “colonel” is and drop a bunker-buster on him. Game over, dude.

  32. 32
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    I just would have used a couple of bombs.

    10 megaton. Make sure all the assholes for allah are cinders, including gaddify quaddigy the current leader in Libya.

    I hear that it is easy to drill throug green glass.

  33. 33
    LC thecabal growls and barks:

    God help me, but I have to side with DJ on this one. Now will someone please point me to the nearest International Commie ANSWER/Code Pink anti-war rally so I can express my displeasure with Teh Lightbringer and his warmongering ways? I mean, come on, the dude has us involved in more wars than Chimpy McBushitler! :em01:

  34. 34
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Now will someone please point me to the nearest International Commie ANSWER/Code Pink anti-war rally so I can express my displeasure with Teh Lightbringer and his warmongering ways?

    Here ya go… :em93:

    Liberal Democrats in uproar over Libya action

    It’s a veritable “A-List” of Congressional moonbats with such notables as Dennis Kucinich, Maxine Waters and Shiela Jackson Lee. :em99:

  35. 35

    Response to Elephant Man @:
    Heh. Even blind squirrels can find a nut at times!

  36. 36
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Remember this photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein that had the moonbats in an uproar?

    I wonder how the moonbats will react to this photo of Obama shaking hands with Muammar Gaddafi?

    Will the Liberal moonbats stick to their principles and go apeshit or will their hypocrisy rule the day?

    So many questions….. :em69:

  37. 37
    Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    If we should ever someday find ourselves under a brutal dictator like Daffy Qadaffy,rebelling for our freedom, and unable to get out from under, I would hope there would be a foreign country somewhere on this planet that would be willing to come to OUR aid and assistance.

    We were, and the French came to our assistance. :em99:

    The french helped us in the Revolutionary War not so much as to Help US, but to HURT England, their mortal enemies.

  38. 38
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Once again, we toss our allies under the bus. By election time, 2012, will we have ANY left?

    New Plan to Charge Entry Fees for Travel to U.S. Gets Cold Shoulder From Canada

    Here’s the link

  39. 39
    LC FORGER - Racist Czar growls and barks:

    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:

    Never mind that the current HNIC is VACATIONING in RIO!!!!!! (Note to Management. I did NOT type out the word, so I kept my word).

    The way I see it, he’s “in charge” of two things – Jack and Shit.

    And Jack left town…

  40. 40
    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    Gladiator says:

    The french helped us in the Revolutionary War not so much as to Help US, but to HURT England, their mortal enemies.

    “The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more, no less.”

    I actually find myself torn on this. What I would like to do is put a thirty mile tall fence around everything from Morocco to Ashcanistan (excluding, of course, the only sane country in the area, Israel), and let the little bastards take care of the problem on their own. Killkenny Cat solution.

    On the other hand, the people saying that the oil from Libya is Europe’s problem are clearly wrong – oil is like cash, in that it is fungible. Libyan oil taken off the market raises the price everywhere for other oil (let me know if I skipped too many steps there . . . ), which does impact us.

    On the gripping hand, the (current) problems in Libya are the result of a handful of assholes, and bombing them is something that they have earned since at least 30 years ago. The Libyan PEOPLE I have met are generally nice people, generous to a fault, pro western, reasonably well educated (for the middle east), and largely secular. Abandoning them to the tender lack of mercies of their government is unconscionable.

    All in all, it’s a good thing Hillary found Barack’s nads for him, but it’s a close call for me.

  41. 41
    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    ‘Course, it strikes me as kinda Bizarro-worldish that the FWENCH have to drag the Cowboys into a fight . . .

  42. 42
    ThePaganTemple growls and barks:

    You guys will be barking a different tune once these “freedom loving Muslims” turn on us, like they usually do, especially if they end up joining in with the ones in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc., and send the whole Middle East in flames. A good rule of thumb might be, anything the European Union, or France, wants to do might by definition not be such a great idea and should be automatically suspect. I don’t like Qaddafi, but these “innocent civilians” he’s mowing down are probably not our friends any more than he is, so the way I see it, no harm, no foul.

  43. 43
    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    That would have been an issue if the other oil producing nations hadn’t offered to take up the slack in production. (which goes to show that they manipulate the prices by artificially keeping the production just low enough to squeeze as much out of the price as possible. We’ve proven that we will gladly pay upwards of $100 per barrel, so that becomes the norm. It no longer becomes an issue as to whether they CAN produce that oil or the oil companies refine that fuel, it becomes an issue as to whether they WILL.)

    Oh, I understand, David. Unfortunately, part of the issue is that, with India and China ramping up demand almost daily, we are approaching the point where they no longer CAN. All indications are that the Saudis are about all-in (that is, they can’t quite pump as much as they say they can). Their production has actually been trending downwards for a few years, and speculation is that they are running dry.

    That leaves such US friendly nations as Venezuela, Iran and Russia to pull the slack

    Please.

    Although, if the “DRILL HERE DRILL NOW LOWER PRICES” crowd had been listened to, the North Slope / ANWR supply would be coming on line – well, just about now,as a matter of fact.

    We have at least a 100 year supply HERE (estimates are north of 200!). We own it. We can stop supporting all the tyrants what we really want to line up against the nearest wall, and tell the rest of the world to go piss up a rope, while we spend time looking for the magic unicorn / alternative energy your side of the aisle is always begging us to fund.

    Or, hell, we have half the worlds entire supply of coal. The Germans ran WWII on Coal to Oil, so it’s not like it would be new science, or difficult, or anything . . .

    Drill Bakken, Drill ANWR, Drill Colorado, Drill Santa Barbara, Drill the Gulf, Drill Virginia.

    Hell, drill in my back yard.

    ———————

    Fuck. Iraq was a war for oil, huh? Then WHY THE HELL ARE WE PAYING FOUR BUCKS A GALLON?

    Bullshit flag, loss of credibility and down. Loss of 98 yards.

    Punt.

  44. 44
    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    Shit. Management, would y’all be kind enough to fix my screw up, above,

    TIA,

    Wil

  45. 45
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    My apologies for going OT but for some reason my machine doesn’t display a reply box in the open thread.
    OD I look forward to having a beer with you at the RF. Thank You for the kind offer. :em04:

    DJ. Why should I have faith in the rest of the Oil producing countries ability to backfill Libya’s share when they are “at risk” from the same scenario (“popular uprising”) that Libya faces? THE WHOLE REGION is more fucked than it normally is.

    Broken record time. The Oil issue for US would be moot if we just used our own resources

  46. 46

    Off topic but .. and Misha you might get a blood pressure spike out of this ..

    Ogabe did find the time, between, golfing, attending DNC fundraisers, vacationing in South America, and whatnot to videotape a holiday greeting to Muslims for the holiday of Nowruz.

    Linkie

    Oh, and it was subtitled in Farsi, too.

  47. 47
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    They hold thousands of proved oil producing leases here in this country and they are just sitting on them. Why aren’t they producing oil out of what they have already?

    Where? When? And I bet they aren’t sitting on them for better prices, but because Marxoenviromentalists are tying their hands in the courts.

  48. 48
    Light29ID growls and barks:

    Response to DJ Allyn, ITW @:

    DJ

    You commented on 1 and 3…but what about 2 and 4? Or did I say something RIGHT?

  49. 49
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    lc purple raider says:

    And I bet they aren’t sitting on them for better prices, but because Marxoenviromentalists are tying their hands in the courts.

    That only happens IF the Feds grant them the ability to start to begin with, which they are not. Its a catch 22 the feds are saying that the Oil companies have voided the lease because they haven’t done anything to improve the property, but they wont give the Oil Companies permission to improve the land. And then if they do, the companies get taken to court by the evirogoobers.

  50. 50
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    ‘The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.’ Now that was Barack Obama who said that on December the 20, 2007. We’ve got to be very sure here that we follow the Constitution, and president Obama didn’t do that.” This coming from Kucinich

    He also brought up this gem,

    Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.
    “Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now — where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife — which we haven’t done,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.

    :em01:

    I see that second term slipping. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Hillary jumped ship real soon. If that happens its all over for him. (BTW, he’s going to try to blame her for this Libya shit in 5,4,3,2,…..)

  51. 51
    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Hence the reason why we have moved to deeper, underwater areas and other hard-to-find or hard-to-produce sources.

    No, we are into deep water because of Government policy. There are currently over 5000 shallow water leases that the Feds won’t ALLOW to be developed.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Short term production to cover for events like Libya shouldn’t be too much of an issue. Short term.

    Quite correct. short term, but anything over about 3 – 5 months is sheer speculation from the Gulf states. However, we can make up the loss here by opening wells commanded to be closed by the EPA and Mines and Minerals. Short term. Long term:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    What do you think the likelihood of that oil staying here is? I would say slim to none. Instead of being OUR supply, it would be the world’s tit and because of that it would be drier than Helen Thomas’ tit before you know it.

    No, because, Liberals and Conservatives alike have been screaming for at least the last 15 years about selling oil to Japan and China while we are busy pumping the Middle East dry. Or am I the only one with a memory longer than my nose?

    ‘Course, about three years of full production would get the USA completely out of debt, fully fund Social Security, Madicaid, Medicare and the Defense budget, and leave a chunk of change left over for Odumbocare. Just a thought.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    CNG is my personal favorite and requires a simple conversion to most newer vehicles. Hybrid vehicles are gaining ground, and purely electric works fine for many people who don’t need to travel much. Then there is mass transit for those who don’t really feel the need to drive from point to point.

    CNG (and analogs) are fine with me, but I thought the watch word was Climate Change / CO2, etc.? Hybrids are still about 10 years away from maturity, meaning that the people buying Pri’i today are subsidising the customers of tomorrow. Also, with the current noise coming out of the Senate, hybrid technology will probably never be able to cover the ground between *here* and *demanded*. As an example, there is a movement in the Senate to require CAFE standards of 60 MPG. Pause, and think about that, please.

    To hit an average of 60 MPG, the company would need to have a majority of their vehicles in the neighborhood of 70 – 75 MPG. No matter what else may happen, I cannot see a world that doesn’t require a certain number of SUVs and Pick-ups. Argue around the edges about the merits, but SOMEONE will have a valid excuse. You will have to sell a bunch of 70 MPG vehicles to make up for the 17 MPG F-150s. Or Silverados. Or Durangos.

    Now, the current MPG champion is the Honda Insight. At 52 MPG it is the undisputed MPG Champ. Honda built every-damn-bit of technology into that car that there was available. Light weight, thin body panels, hybrid tech, thin wall everything, and pray every night hoping their lightweight kiddie cart didn’t kill anyone. They left nothing on the table.

    And still didn’t approach the wannabe CAFE standard.

    And, please, mass transit is already sucking in every rider it can, and cannot compete with an honest audit. Nowhere is Mass Transit able to make it without Government Subsidies.

    David, A few years back, i was commuting to D.C. to work (from Alexandria, VA). The commute was 10.5 miles by car, 18 Minutes in the morning.

    By light rail (metro train), it was 30 minutes, and I had to adjust the schedule, because the train was NEVER on time. When I accounted for wear and tear on the car, gas, parking, oil, and the actual PRICE of the ride, it was 25 % cheaper to drive. And Metro still got subsidies from Virginia, D.C., and Maryland to keep their operation open. Without the subsidies, the price of the ride would have doubled.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Just because you drive gasoline, doesn’t mean someone else can’t drive CNG, or electric, or whatever. The more diverse, the less dependency on one particular fuel source. Fuck the environment argument — if you can come up with a car that propels efficiently on burning garbage, so be it.

    I don’t have a problem with that. Just get the Imperial Federal Government out of the picture.

    The Energy problem will never succumb to Government Pressure. It will be solved by some redneck in Tennessee, immediately followed by the words “Hey Y’all, WATCH THIS SHIT!”.

    And gas prices follow the market trend of the price of oil. When the price of oil goes up, the price of gasoline goes up before the expensive oil is even out of the ground. Don’t blame “speculators”, since you would do the same if you had the cash to dollar cost average your oil demand (or the need).

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    They hold thousands of proved oil producing leases here in this country and they are just sitting on them. Why aren’t they producing oil out of what they have already?

    What Congress should do is tell the oil companies to shit or get off of the pot. Tell them to produce or they lose the leases they are already holding. See how long it will be before you see them start pumping…

    Finally, we get to something substantive.

    1) Some of the “proven” oil reserves are not economical to pump at $100 per barrel. They are being saved for really expensive times. Some of what are being complained about now were being drilled / pumped back when oil hit $140.00.

    2) Some of them haven’t been explored yet.

    3) Some are now off the market because the Government allow the companies to develop them

    4) Several of the oil companies buy a “row” of leases. They drill as a rig becomes free, moving down the line.

    5) And, just for shits and giggles, the amateur-in-chief placed all Gulf drilling off limits. After being told to approve some permits, they are still slow walking them.

    Consecutive bullshit flags, loss of down, credibility, loss of yardage, and a warning to the bench.

    Drill Here, Drill Now, Save Money, piss off a Liberal!

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    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    Moderation?

    For an hour?

    Gee, thanks, guys.

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    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    OT, Troy anytime you wish to talk just come over to my place, e-mail is on the side bar and if you go OT on a comment I could give a rats behind.

    Back on subject, is Ear Leader going to report to Congress as called for in the War Powers Act or is he gong to try to claim that

    1. This falls under the existing Authorization for Use of Force (which it does not) or

    2. The UN mandate overrides the Constitution?

    Either stance should be legitimate grounds for Impeachment!

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    This sums it up about our Absentee in Chief better than anything else I’ve seen.

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    ooops embedding the cartoon didn’t work….here’s the link

    our Absentee in Chief

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    FabioC. growls and barks:

    France has often used force to protect and further its own interests (Ivory Coast is the latest case); but those interests are different from US interests.

    Now I’m afraid that Qaddafy will be able to pull off a reprisal against Italy. Our police and military are always very alert against terrorism, but someone can slip through.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    THAT would be the time for us to hammer him. But as long as he keeps his tirades confined to his own borders, then I would categorize it as “None of Our Business”.

    And, probably a whole lot more expensive for us in terms of money and lives. Ol’ Adolf could have been stopped quicker, easier, and cheaper if he had been bitch-slapped when he sent two companies into French territory prior to the start of WW2. So, now you would wait and see what an unstable, murderous sociopath will do at some time in the future? Kadaffy has already shown that he is more than willing to cause trouble outside his own territory.
    If Ear Leader keeps on pissing off the far-left, he won’t need to worry about the state legislatures that are passing laws requiring candidates to prove they are constitutionally qualified for the office they seek before the candidate is put on the ballot in that state. He never had the conservatives, he lost a lot of the independents, he is losing the left by “caving” on single payer and extending the Bush tax rates, and there aren’t enough necro-Americans to re-elect him. That is the only group he can’t alienate.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Sorry for two posts in a row, but didn’t see this one until later:

    What Congress should do is tell the oil companies to shit or get off of the pot.

    What Congress should do is tell the watermelons to STFU, we’re drilling in Alaska, the Gulf of Mexico, off the East Coast, off the Left Coast, and we will develop the oil shales in Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, etc., that we will build more nuclear power plants and build more refineries. Congress should also tell the watermelons that if they don’t like it, then the utility comanies can cut them off from the power grid, gas distribution systems, and they can no longer drive an automobile, ride a train, or fly in any aircraft. Do you want some more? OK, Congress should disband the EPA for eschewing science and using ideology to overreach their purpose,and reverse the really stupid rules and regulations that EPA has imposed on the oil companies, making it more expensive and nearly impossible to drill new wells.

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    Cricket growls and barks:

    I don’t think Bush made up with qadafi too easily; there is still the Lockerbie bombing and the payment that Libya had to make for the wrongful deaths.

    In terms of oil, I would just as soon go to alternative energy, as long as the Goreacle hasn’t gotten his fat fingers in it…or his cronies. I just loathe the idea of enriching him as much as I detest buying gas.

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    Response to LC Old Dog @:
    Nice work on your page OD,, y’all are all over it. I skittered the around the web checkin’ it out.
    ‘Looks like a textbook case of someone who should’a taken his own advice.

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    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Oh yeah ( I almost forgot) while Im drawing fire …
    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:
    Never mind that the current HNIC is VACATIONING in RIO!!!!!! (Note to Management. I did NOT type out the word, so I kept my word).

    If that is your idea of of keeping your word, your sense of honor is as shallow as a mud puddle.

    I did not type out the word. Which is what I said. I never said i would not Imply or allude to it.
    If you are that sensitive. You may not be a Rott.

    And that is to never mind the “fact” as supposed by modern Media, that you cannot disparage that which you ARE!!!,,,partly, as in a great great grandmother.

    Again, I never said I was black. I said ONE of my great great Grandmothers was an escaped slave.
    As far as I know she was the ONLY black ancestor I have.

    I will HONOR that which is required by my belief. My Mother and Father. All others must gain my RESPECT!!
    If they do, I may just Honor them.

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    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    That is the last comment I will have with someone who consults with his dog on any issue. Unless he has lots of Beer!!! :em03: :em03: :em03:

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    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    LC SleepTech: Pale Hore Wisperer says:

    Actually, I agree with DJ on this, but not for the reason he thinks. I agree because all of them, both sides, are mooseturds. I say, let them kill each other to death and contain it to the borders of mooseturd countries. When enough of the mooseturds have killed each other off. We won’t have that hard of a job of finishing off the rest.

    I agree up to a point, and that is a small point. If they are going to be disagreeable to each other, then let them duke it out until they come to some kind of stalemate. Perhaps, by that time they will have grown tired of the fight and whoever is left will be more agreeable towards themselves and others. If WE must commit troops and equipment, then use them to surround the fighting just to keep it contained. Don’t interfere.

    I wasn’t referring to committing troops. I was referring to ERRATICATING them!!!

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    Yep, moment’s notice. ‘How ’bout 12 years and 17 DOA UN resolutions being “No reason to rush to war”. BO is very consistent about his capricious inconsistency. Certainly not presidential mettle which, your astute nitpickeration aside, is one of the problems we have with him.
    Not the only one, but one we find very disgusting.

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    YGBSM growls and barks:

    Oh, just after the election in ’08, I predicted that the time would come when liberals would be so disappointed, (so, so, angwy!) they would unleash their kitty-claws and scratch off their Obama bumper stickers. That of course has been happening regularly as clockwork, yet still I got a good laugh this AM when I read how Michael Moore is unhappy with Obama over his attack on Libya. I can hear Obama now: “Dammit, when I’ve lost Michael Moore…”

    No one ever said eating one’s own is pleasant, but it can be entertaining.

    And, speaking of Libya and our reticent pResident:

    “Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.”

    -Sun Tzu, the Art of War

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    DJ opines:

    The Soviets were collapsing anyways. His actions may have caused their collapse a few years earlier, but their collapse was inevitable. We could have just waited them out. It certainly would have been cheaper for us in the long run.

    What do you mean by “a few years”? 10 years? 20 years? 50 years?

    Yep, Reagan should have engaged in “a few years” of Leftist-Carteresque appeasement instead of “feeding the evil corporate military industrial complex because the Soviets were actually peace-loving and misunderstood unlike those sinister Republican warmongers!” :roll:

    Besides, I thought the liberal moonbat meme of choice was something along the lines of “It was Gorbachev’s intellectual brilliance in restructuring the Soviet Union’s political and economic system with Glasnost and Perestroika that caused them to see the light and move to a better tomorrow!” or some such nonsense.

    I imagine it galls “The Left” to this day that Reagan hastened the demise of “The Workers Paradise” by compelling them to engage in an unsustainable arms race.

    As a side note, I still remember the squeals of outrage when Reagan called them “The Evil Empire”. :em01:

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Oh, almost forgot:

    WARNING: Shameless Plug Alert: whaddya think of my new look?

    As my grandmother used to say, “It looks stunning! Absolutely stunning!” :grin:

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    None of this means that the technology isn’t available to make the proposed CAFE standards happen. But it isn’t going to happen without a push that is equal to or exceeds the push-back from Big Oil. Because make no mistake, it is Big Oil standing in the way of fuel efficiency.

    I’ve always heard that claim (for 40 years now), but no one has ever offered proof.

    Because there is none.

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Response to lc purple raider @:

    Proof?…..PROOF?!?!…..Leftists don’t need no stinkin’ proof!

    “Big Oil” = “Big Corporations” and therefore they are inherently eeeeeeevil!

    Besides, hybrids like the Toyota Pretentious er, Prius are bit on the pricey side especially in this economy.

    Right now, hybrids are pretty much for the “upper class” er, “more fortunate” among us who want to show how much they “care about the planet”. :em01:

    This episode of South Park pretty much nails it when it comes to the “hybrid cult”

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Speaking of oil exploration, why is jugears pushing for exploration and development in Brazil yet insists on keeping American development chained up?

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:

    I did not type out the word. Which is what I said. I never said i would not Imply or allude to it.

    Ok, lets play shall we? Im going to give an example that even your limited intellect should be able to understand (although that thought is probably giving you too much credit).

    Scenario:

    In the past, I promised to not call your mother a whore. I then turn around and say to you “Sleeptech, I understand that your mother has been providing “oral favors” to anyone with 5 bucks, in the alley behind the local Homeless shelter. Would you give me a free pass? Because Hey, I just implied that your mother was a cheap street whore, I didn’t really come right out and say she was a 5 dollar blow job whore. Would you just walk away and let it ride? Keep in mind we are arguing about your bullshit “justification” which is frankly childish at the least and dishonest at worst.

    For the record, I dont think your dear respected mother is engaged in any unflattering behavior that was just a “example”. Isnt implying things FUN?

    I will be entertained watching you continue to test your theory.

    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:

    You may not be a Rott.

    Having not seen the “Code of a Rottie”, (That would be something to develop mgmt) I wouldnt know. What I am is a Anti-Idiotarian which explains why I am pointing out your ignorance.

    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:

    And that is to never mind the “fact” as supposed by modern Media, that you cannot disparage that which you ARE!!!,,,partly, as in a great great grandmother.

    Well at least that explains where you get your idiocy from…. as if the modern media is any great example of moral code / conduct.

    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer says:

    Again, I never said I was black. I said ONE of my great great Grandmothers was an escaped slave.
    As far as I know she was the ONLY black ancestor I have.

    So you want it both ways then? You claim that you cant disparage what you are, and in the same breath spew “but Im not saying that I am.” Well? Which one is it?
    Keep shoveling buddy, your grave’s just about complete.

    Look man, you wanna be a racist, be a racist, post your shit all over the place (I dare you). But understand this, just as you have the ability to spew your shit, I have the ability to call your shit stinky. And I’m going to, every single time I see it. That is a PROMISE with only one exception. If Mgmt tells me to cease and desist, I will. So please, send more racist shit down range.

    May you receive all the Blessings you deserve

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    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    Response to LC TerribleTroy @:

    I’ll assume you have beer, so i will respond.

    1. I do not know what part of the sentence you quoted you do not understand. I said that I would not type out the word on this site and I did not. I have never said I would quit using it. If that gets your little girl panties all in a bunch. have DOG bite you a couple times to toughen you up.

    2. The first ploy of an Idiotarian(Librul) is to claim suprior intellect. You did. That is not “Anti-Idiotarian”.

    3. “You cannot disparage what you are” is the prevailing thought trend among Idiotarians. I was being Satirical there. You’re massive intellectual skills should have recognised that. You may want to have DOG run another Psychoanalysis on you.

    4. I have never hidden from anyone that I am descended from several races. NOT ONLY BLACK. Had to put that in caps so DOG could interpret it for you. I don’t want it both ways. I said I am not BLACK(there ya go DOG), I am lots of colors and races. I’m a racial mutt, so to speak.

    5. About the ‘grave’ thing. Better get your “Great Big Girl Panties” on if you want to go there.

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    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    LC SleepTech: Pale Hore Wisperer says:

    Actually, I agree with DJ on this, but not for the reason he thinks. I agree because all of them, both sides, are mooseturds. I say, let them kill each other to death and contain it to the borders of mooseturd countries. When enough of the mooseturds have killed each other off. We won’t have that hard of a job of finishing off the rest.

    I agree up to a point, and that is a small point. If they are going to be disagreeable to each other, then let them duke it out until they come to some kind of stalemate. Perhaps, by that time they will have grown tired of the fight and whoever is left will be more agreeable towards themselves and others. If WE must commit troops and equipment, then use them to surround the fighting just to keep it contained. Don’t interfere.

    Again, I agree. That’s twice in one thread!! WTF?! (Must. Drink. More. TEA.!!!!)
    I mean, if we find ourselves HAVING to commit troops (I’d rather just bomb ‘em out of existence) I would rather it be against thousands than say, Milions!

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    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse Wisperer growls and barks:

    Or “milLions”even.