“To Serve and Protect (Ourselves)”

The Wisconsin “Professional” Police Association is now sending out threat-mails to private businesses daring to have an opinion differing from theirs (h/t LC Gunsniper).

In the event that you cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining, please be advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the goods and services provided by your company.

“Nice business you have there. Be a real shame if something were to happen to it and, say, none of the patrol units had their radio on at that particular point in time, no?”

There’s a reason why public service employees should not be allowed to be politically active in public, and that’s one of them, possibly the single most important one. No? Well, you leftist swine, care to recall all the times when you’ve had shit fits over members of the Armed Forces speaking out of turn while in uniform?

Statements like the one quoted above, when backed by names such as the Wisconsin “Professional” Police Association, cannot help but make law-abiding citizens who do not agree with said statements wonder if they can count on the services of said organizations, should they ever need them.

And that is EXACTLY why the WPPA and the other signatories use the names of their organizations rather than just send a letter. They KNOW it’s intimidating as hell, and that’s why they’re doing it.

It’s time for Wisconsin to start handing out pink slips by the thousands, because the organizations that the taxpayers pay to serve and protect have obviously lost sight of their mission and who their employers really are.

P.S.: The pig jackwagon shitbird responsible for the poorly disguised blackmail above was idiotic enough to include the following:

In the event you would like to discuss this matter further, please contact the executive Director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, Jim Palmer, at 608.273.3840.

We do believe that we would like to discuss that matter further, you fascist pig, so we’ll be giving you a call.

We suspect that we’ll be on hold for a while, though, because there’s going to be a lot of traffic on that line.

Enjoy, and may you burn in hell while the memory of you is forgotten as quickly as possible, lest it stain the honor of TRUE law enforcement professionals!

Fucking useless piece of obese shit.

Thatisall.

47 comments

  1. 1
    Lockpick growls and barks:

    Have you noticed that WI does not allow concealed handguns?

  2. 2
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Response to Lockpick @#1:

    That’s due to the hoplophobic asshole former Governor Doyle vetoing the legislation.

  3. 3

    so, I guess we know who they “serve and protect” now

  4. 4
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    Just glad I live where I do..I know the cops are on our side

  5. 5

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Are you saying that the Wisconsin police don’t get to have the same opportunity to an opinion that everyone else does? So they choose to boycott certain businesses — it is their option as a citizen. NOWHERE did they say they wouldn’t uphold the laws and serve and protect those businesses. Just that they wouldn’t spend their private money to support those businesses.

    Jeez Deej……read the language in their boycott:

    The undersigned groups would like your company to publicly oppose Governor
    Walker’s efforts to virtually eliminate collective bargaining for public employees in
    Wisconsin.

    In the event that you do not
    respond to this request by that date, we will assume that you stand with
    Governor Walker and against the teachers, nurses, police officers, fire fighters,
    and other dedicated public employees who serve our communities.

    In the event that you cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining,
    please be advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the
    goods and services provided by your company.

    that’s language that Don Corleone uses….not police affiliations. How will they publicly boycott? will they do it in uniform??? or use more subtle means of intimidation protest? say, like ticket cars that are a minute over their allotted parking meter time? Come on man, these are nazi tactics, but instead of strong arming Juden businesses, they’re going after independant non-union Americans.

  6. 6
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    So they choose to boycott certain businesses — it is their option as a citizen.

    Choosing to boycott a business is one thing, contacting that business and making a conditional threat in an attempt to influence that businesses decisions is an act of extortion regardless of the level of that threat.

  7. 7
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    In the event that you do not
    respond to this request by that date,

    we will assume

    that you stand with
    Governor Walker and against the teachers, nurses, police officers, fire fighters,
    and other dedicated public employees who serve our communities.

    So if you refuse to take sides and stay neutral you’re going to be penalized? Fuck that nonsense. What about the business owners that don’t give a shit one way or the other DJ?

    Publicly & Formally Boycott? Hows that going to manifest?

  8. 8
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Are you saying that the Wisconsin police don’t get to have the same opportunity to an opinion that everyone else does?

    Are you fucking KIDDING me?

    If fuckwit Palmer had chosen to send an email saying, as a private person, that he would not do any business with that company in the future if they didn’t do as he wanted them to do, then I would have had no fucking problem whatsoever with that.

    But when he goes to great lengths to present his opinion as that of the Wisconsin “Professional” Police Association and himself as the executive director of said organization, then we’re talking a whole different game here.

    Or perhaps you’re thinking that it makes no difference whether John Roberts writes a letter to the editor as “John Roberts” or as “Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court of the United States of America?”

    In which case you’re fucking retarded.

    Remember GEN Stanley McChrystal and his less than favorable comments about Ogabe? Remember how he got shitcanned because of those?

    For the record, even though I did not disagree with one word of what McChrystal said, Ogabe did exactly the right thing by kicking his arse out. It’s called “command influence”, look it up.

    And I don’t recall a shit storm of liberal socialist twats rising up in McChrystal’s defense, stating that he had to have “the same opportunity to have an opinion that everybody else else has.”

    But, of course, the target of his criticism was the Risen God Ogabe, so I suppose that’s diff’runt.

    It isn’t different to me, but that’s because I still believe in such archaic notions as “one law for all.” I know, I’m pathetic that way. Rules are only rules if they serve to eliminate opposition to The Common Good™.

    MY turn now: SHEESH!

  9. 9
    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    Response to DJ Allyn, ITW @:

    I think you are correct in saying that once they put their uniforms on Wisconsin police will do their duty, if I were to bet most of them will ignore this boycott and live their lives the same way they always have.

    This however does not excuse a threatening letter sent out to business by a group composed of, and representing police officers. The term that springs to mind is “Under color of authority” and while legally I’m sure this doesn’t rise to that level…… I’m equally sure that was the intent. If there is any honor at all in the WPPA this guy will be gone, and gone like in tomorrow.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Sometimes it takes an economic squeeze to get something done. Other times it is just a case where you don’t want to support someone who doesn’t support you. Would you frequent a business that actively wants to take away your Second Amendment rights? I don’t really see too much of a distinction here. As private citizens, these cops can protest all they want, or boycott anyone or anything they want — just like you. They are free to let such businesses know that they are displeased with their stance on something and that as a group they will not do business with them AND they will try to influence others not to do business with them.

    But put them in a uniform, and they will do their jobs. They are professional enough to know how to separate the two. Just don’t expect them to actually like you.

    Actually, from the looks of things at the Wisconsin State House, the police WEREN’T doing their jobs.

  11. 11
    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    lc purple raider says:

    Actually, from the looks of things at the Wisconsin State House, the police WEREN’T doing their jobs.

    I may be in the minority, but I’m not gonna flame them for what I saw in 5 minute clips. People in mass breaking into the capital building after hours, it was a powder keg, one wrong move…… or even right move, could have sent the whole thing off. Keeping a lid on the situation may very well have been the best policy.

  12. 12
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    OT but a massive earthquake in Japan.

    An 8.9. An eight-freaking-nine.

    And it doesn’t look good.

  13. 13
    Light29ID growls and barks:

    Response to DJ Allyn, ITW @:

    If anybody has any delusions about cops will be there to “serve and protect” may I suggest you read up on how the Ray Nagan NOPD Gestapo “protected” the people during and after Katrina.

    NPR

    Pro Publica

    ABC

    2theadvocate

    Frontline

  14. 14
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Response to DJ Allyn, ITW @:

    Blah Blah Blah…. You respond to my post with my question in block quote but chose not to answer the question,

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    What about the business owners that don’t give a shit one way or the other DJ?

    One of your schticks is that the majority of Americans are politically apathetic and dont want to be involved. What about the business owner that thinks boths side are equal assholes and doesnt want to get involved? Why should they be made to feel as if THEY HAVE TO TAKE SIDES?

    As a group Americans DO NOT like to be bullied and that is what this is, and this is typical of the Union Mentality.

  15. 15

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Wisconsin Professional Police Association is not say, the Milwaukee Police Department, or the Madison Police Department. It is an association made up of private citizens who happen to be cops. They aren’t representing any particular police department.

    well of course they don’t….they represent the individual members of those departments, and they speak for those members as well. Just like the NEA or WEA doesn’t represent Madison school district etc…..they represent the private citizens who just happen to be teachers, and didn’t do their jobs for a week as they protested as ordered at the request of their union.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    There isn’t really a threat here — just a notice that says either these businesses are friendly to the cause or they aren’t. If they aren’t, then those businesses can expect to see less income coming from these groups and a public reason why.

    oh no threat at all, just a casual suggestion that they “maybe” their businesses will be singled out for boycott and their customers most likely harrassed by union goons if they don’t toe the union line against Walker…..to quote Officer Barbrady from South Park:

    “Nothing to see here, move along”

    ya’ know, the similarities to the Tea Party rallies against the Health Care bill is pretty striking here. In both cases, we had large numbers of citizens coming out to demonstrate against legislation that they disagreed with. In both cases, we had a legislative body that voted against the will of the demonstrators. but there are some pretty striking contrasts as well:

    1…..the Tea Partiers did not occupy any government buildings, sure they petitioned at reps offices and such…but they did not occupy any govt. property like the Madison protestors did.

    2…..GOP politicians did NOT run away and hide when it came time to vote on the bill, knowing like the Fleebaggers in Wi. that they were going to be defeated.

    3…..Instead of strong arming groups and businesses that supported obamacare, opposition groups used the elective process to get people into office to change or dismantle it.

    4…..No reporters were roughed up reporting on Tea Party events, no politicians were surrounded and harrassed and threatened, no damage was done to government property, kids still went to school during Tea Party rallies.

    and which side is portrayed in the state media as the intolerant and uncivil one? (cue the Final Jeopardy music)

  16. 16
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    I thought you would have gotten the idea that the letter was basically saying that by remaining silent on this matter is pretty much the same as accepting what has happened, and that silence would be treated just the same as if you were for what had happened.

    By this logic, I should hate and BLAME all Germans for the Holocaust, along with a number of other nationalities? This is the logic the fucking Islamic Radicals use to justify bombing their own countrymen and innocent Americans at work in tall buildings. And (in general) you bemoan the lack of centrists or moderates? This isn’t a all or nothing situation. The letter requires the business’s to adopt a position whether they want to or not and implies a negative outcome for not ANNOUNCING the business’s position. I would put up a sign that says this business is apolitical and doesn’t want to get involved in either entities bullshit political games.

    Oh and your Starbucks example was bullshit. Starbucks stated their position and THEN the NRA initiated their boycott. This is way different from some business just standing around minding their own and some guy comes up and says either you support us or you don’t, and if you don’t we are going to boycott you, oh, and if you don’t pick a side , we’re going to pick one for you. Reminds me of a old Joke.

    DJ, only a yes or no answer can be given, Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

  17. 17
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Well, since someone brought up the Nazis in Germany (and, well, everywhere):

    The business men, who had been so enthusiastic over the smashing of the troublesome labor unions, now found that left-wing Nazis, who really believed in the party’s socialism, were trying to take over the employers’ associations, destroy the big department stores, and nationalize industry. Thousands of ragged Nazi Party officials descended on the business houses of those who had not supported Hitler, threatening to seize them in some cases, and in others demanding well-paying jobs in management. Dr. Gottfried Feder, the economic crank, now insisted that the [Nazi] party program be carried out — nationalization of big business, profit sharing, and abolition of unearned income and “interest slavery”. As if this were not enough to frighten the businessmen, Walther Darre, who had just been named Minister of Agriculture, threw the bankers into jitters by promising a big reduction in the capital debts of the farmers and a cut in the interest rate on what remained to 2%.
    – The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany, William A. Shirer, Simon & Shuster (New York, 1960), Volume I, pp. 203-204.

    So, apparently, we are beginning to see the beginnings of a Nazi resurgence in Wisconsin.

  18. 18

    OK, this is a little different, but I believe the letter was still written under the auspices of police. Here’s why. I’m going to make a military comparison.

    There’s a reason why military members are not allowed to wear a uniform while participating in rallies, political meetings, etc. Because regardless of their intent to be a “private citizen” participating in the political process, the uniform gives the impression that they’re representing the US military. That may not be their intent, but that is why.

    This situation is comparable. The “association” is much like a uniform. It gives the impression that it represents the official police. And when police make a threat to a business owner such as this, it is implicit in the threat that they might not work quite as hard to protect this particular business owner. That may or may not be the case. We can’t judge that based on what has been written. But much like campaigning or participating in the public political process while in uniform, this association is an association of police officers, and gives the impression that they speak on behalf of police.

  19. 19
    Gladiator growls and barks:

    The answer is to have the tea parties organize boycotts of the businesses that side with the unions. Theres more of US than there is of THEM.

  20. 20
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Are you saying that the Wisconsin police don’t get to have the same opportunity to an opinion that everyone else does? So they choose to boycott certain businesses — it is their option as a citizen. NOWHERE did they say they wouldn’t uphold the laws and serve and protect those businesses. Just that they wouldn’t spend their private money to support those businesses.
    So what? That is free market at its finest. Assume I am a public employee (I’m not, I couldn’t make nearly as much money as I do now). Piss me off and I won’t support your business with my money and I will be free to tell you so. If you value me as a customer, then don’t piss me off. If you don’t care, then that’s good too. It is a mutual understanding. If I have friends, who listen to me, I will steer them away from you. I am certainly not going to be told that I can’t publicly boycott you because I happen to be a public employee.
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing says:
    Just glad I live where I do..I know the cops are on our side
    That’s funny. The cops I know are in full support of the unions. They don’t publicize it right now only because they aren’t directly affected. But if this were happening here in Washington? They would be quite vocal about it. But they would NEVER put it before their duty.

    The problem is DJ they have already shown that they will not do their job.

    http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=228618

    I cannot find the news report, but when the order was given that the capital building was going to be closed down for cleaning the police said they were not going to do it and in fact it did not happen.

    When one of the senators was trying to enter the capital building it was firefighters not police who finally came and helped him escape the mob that was surrounding him and such.

    I have great respect for those that choose to protect and serve, but I also know that there are many who frankly do not deserve that honor. The officer I dealt with when I was at the rally to support the bill in Madison was very polite and frankly I would not have known the teacher union idiot had spit on me if he had not pulled me out to take my statement. But I also know that they are just as easily taken in with their union. I’ve seen it happen with the police in Milwaukee, they did not like that their demands had not been met in contracts a few years ago and started dogging some calls. I have a friend who was still on MPD at the time and it is contributing factor why he retired.

    I am not saying it is all police officers, but the fact that they have already proven to not follow orders in favor of the union leads to the fact that it is not just an idle threat but a very real threat of what could happen.

  21. 21
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Palmer isn’t representing himself as a police officer operating under the color of law. Neither is his association or any of the other associations that signed the letter.

    Oh? I suppose that’s why he went to such great lengths to identify who he was and who he represents.

    Fuck this. Either you’re being willfully obtuse or you’re just plain dumb and, as I know that you’re not dumb, I have to go with door number one.

    Thatisall.

  22. 22
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Union officials, who had denounced the plan to close the Capitol overnight as an effort to silence critics, called the reversal a capitulation by Mr. Walker’s administration.

    “Cooler heads prevailed,” said Jim Palmer, the executive director of the 11,000-member Wisconsin Professional Police Association. “They had said they were going to clear the place out, and then they thought the better of it. Now it’s clear that law enforcement professionals are running the show.”

    So the union officials did not want the Capitol closed and Palmer says it’s clear that law enforcement professionals are running the show”.

    That statement speaks volumes to me, but I am sure that I am just paying attention and only listening to sound bytes.

  23. 23
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    oops Lizard, G.L.O.R. says:

    Union officials, who had denounced the plan to close the Capitol overnight as an effort to silence critics, called the reversal a capitulation by Mr. Walker’s administration.
    “Cooler heads prevailed,” said Jim Palmer, the executive director of the 11,000-member Wisconsin Professional Police Association. “They had said they were going to clear the place out, and then they thought the better of it. Now it’s clear that law enforcement professionals are running the show.”
    So the union officials did not want the Capitol closed and Palmer says it’s clear that law enforcement professionals are running the show”.
    That statement speaks volumes to me, but I am sure that I am just paying attention and only listening to sound bytes.

    oops meant to say “not paying attention”.

    Sorry my mind wandered to the news coming out of Japan.

  24. 24

    Off topic but the screaming Left is already blaming the Japan quake on … global warming!

    And since the US uses the most in fossil fuels …

    Link

    :em69:

  25. 25
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Remember GEN Stanley McChrystal and his less than favorable comments about Ogabe? Remember how he got shitcanned because of those?

    Was GEN Stanley McChrystal on duty and acting as a general, or was he off duty, at home out of uniform? Was he representing his official stance or his private citizen stance?

    Doesn’t matter, the Uniform Code of Military Justice specifically prohibits service members speaking ill of government officials, in uniform or out.

  26. 26
    Radical Redneck growls and barks:

    Off topic but the screaming Left is already blaming the Japan quake on … global warming!

    Just as stupid we have a predictable example of “single-minded, obsessed and stoooooooooooooooopid is no way to go through life.

    :em72: :em69:

  27. 27

    Response to Radical Redneck @:

    The funny thing is that who is doing the God Hates Gays thing? Phreddie Phelps. I pointed out that he’s a Democrat and that I could prove it …. for some reason that comment didn’t post over there ..

    Shocked, I say, I am shocked! :em99:

  28. 28
    Radical Redneck growls and barks:

    Response to LC Sir Intellectual Conservative 5th Columnist @:

    It would be one thing to throw in idiocy like that at the end of the thread expressing the usual shock, horror and sadness: but that abomination makes it the entire thread.

    Inferior preponderance of foul DNA. :em38:

  29. 29
    Delftsman3 growls and barks:

    D>J> sez: Reading anything more into this is just being silly.

    D.J., AS Misha noted above; if this threat (and make no mistake it IS a threat) were issued as a private citizen by Mr. Palmer, it wouldn’t amount to a hill of beans HOWEVER, Mr. Palmer issued this threat under color of his so called ‘professional’ organization.

    As a former LEO, I find this action to be nothing but bald extortion under color of law enforcement; which as far as I can ascertain, is a felony in all 50 states (except in Chicago, where it is “business as usual”, there IS a reason they call it the “The Chicago Way”)

    I would be ashamed if someone representing me in any professional organization I belonged to acted in this manner.

  30. 30

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    As if they didn’t feel they needed to be there themselves? These people are pissed off and for good reason. Surely you, as a teacher yourself, don’t think you are being paid too much or are a lazy goon.

    I’m not a union member, and am not paid by a school district. I’m contracted by the college where I also teach to teach high school courses. Before that, I still did not join the union as I disagreed with them politically…..that status eventually caused me some pay problems that I feel were used to force me to join. I resigned and went back to full time work at the college. Those teachers didn’t need to take all that time away from their classes and their responsibility to their students…..what are they first? teachers or union members?

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    No, they used other parliamentary tools available to them — the filibuster and the anonymous holds.

    as have the DemocRats

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    The Republicans may have won the battle, but they lost the war in the public opinion arena. They will lose their next election by large margins now.

    doubt that, they all looked really bad on TV…..trashing the state house, receiving falsified doctors notes, and threatening reporters and others. The worst thing they could have is to shut down the schools for that long…..those days will have to be made up, and that will screw up a lot of families/voters summer plans.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Good luck with that. I hope they succeed, I really do. But unfortunately, it just isn’t going to happen that way.

    once they get the majority in the Senate we’ll see about that. If that doesn’t happen then we can always hope for one of the ever increasing number of waivers President Bobblehead is issuing for exemption.

  31. 31
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    RED ALERT, everyone!

    Take this link and pass it on to everyone:

    Here’s a word to the wise:

    http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=16246

    This is the account of how the Ohio TEA Party folks got their butts kicked by Alinsky-rules unionista Leftwads in demonstrations/counter-demonstrations, UNTIL they figured out, FAST, how to FIGHT BACK. :em58:

    :em58: :em58: :em58: :em58:

    Pass it on to all the Patriots you know. We have a lot of catching up to do: the Lefties have been pulling this shit since the 1930s, and we law-abiding types are just now getting into it. This guy has written about their experience, and it’s a damned useful “How To” primer on how to hold a successful counter-demonstration against the Leftist thugs.

  32. 32
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    From my link in #35, I think it’s worth pulling this quote. It has to do with the willingness of the unionized police to protect American citizens they just happen to disagree with. Unpleasant reading.

    Youngstown, Ohio, February 24, 2011

    The Youngstown area is UNION with all capital letters. Anita Fraser, President of the Tri-County TEA Party in Youngstown was taking the lead on this event because it was in her home area. She is a tough, savvy person who understands the tough politics of “the valley,” but she did not attend the Columbus or Canton events and thus did not have the benefit of what has been discussed so far in this essay.

    Governor Kasich was scheduled to meet with the Youngstown area Chamber of Commerce at a local restaurant in Warren on the 24th, and she sent a message out to her members and surrounding groups to send people to support the Governor. Perhaps because of the experience in Canton two days earlier, someone decided to move the Kasich visit from a local restaurant to a hanger at the Youngstown Airport. This caused a lot of confusion for our groups because we had less than 24 hours’ notice of the change. I am sure that some of our people did not get the message and never got to the right location.

    Those TEA Party people that did get to the airport were met by people who told them that, “Anita Frasier told us to tell you it was not safe and you should go home.” So they did. Anita found this out when she got to the airport herself and they told her, “Anita Frasier told us to tell you it was not safe and you should go home,” and she said, “I’m Anita Frasier,” and they just laughed and took off. She ended up with less than 20 people surrounded by over a thousand, as she described them, “animals.” Until Anita told me this, I did not understand that they had used the same tactics on us in Columbus when they told us we could not go into the State House.

    As Anita tried to find a place for those few Patriots who did managed to get to the hangar, they were immediately surrounded and faced the most vicious verbal abuse imaginable. Anita Frasier is no prude by any stretch of the imagination, but she told me that she heard new insults that she had never heard before in her life. The State Police were in charge of security and they did not protect Anita or her people. She said at least twenty men came past her and intentionally bumped into her shoulders until her arms were aching. At one point men with axe handles or big sticks came toward the group, and when they did, all the state troopers disappeared. The guys just stood in front of them waving the axe handles. When one guy with the axe handles approached Anita, she was with a woman news reporter who just ran away and never reported what she had seen.

    After the event Anita found two of the state troopers and asked them where they went and they said they were watching from a distance and that they were sorry :em72: it had gotten so bad. The Patriots were harassed all the way back to their cars. As Anita told me, she just could not wait to get out of there, and she never wants to ever be in that position again. Which is also why I am writing this essay to my fellow Patriots, because I never want any of you to ever be in this position.

    Again, please read the essay and pass it on to every patriot you know: we must make it go viral amongst the good guys.

  33. 33

    Response to Tallulah @:

    I wonder, can we start hitting back now? Or would that be seen as uncivil? :em96:

  34. 34
    LC thecabal growls and barks:

    Hey DJ, here’s a few phrases for you: “Taft-Hartley Act” and “secondary boycott”. Now tell me again how this is proper?

  35. 35
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Here is another boycott action email

    http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117795968.html

    For those that do not know MATC is Milwaukee Area Technical College. That is right my tax dollars pay for them to use that email.

    I wish I lived closer to that Sendick’s because I would definitely shop there.

    And DJ the reason why they wanted to hold up the bill for as long as they could was so that the school districts could ram through new contracts before the new law went into effect.

    http://www.fox6now.com/news/politics/witi-20110301-union-contracts,0,1465046.story

    But again I am sure you will not respond, since I only listen to sound bytes and do not seem to have any true knowledge of what is happening in my own state.

  36. 36
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Meanwhile DJ‘s excuse machine spins furiously to come up with a string of possible reasons why the premeditated thuggery at Youngstown was not really the thugs’ fault.

  37. 37
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    And: someone needs to be punished for the Youngstown travesty.

  38. 38
    irish19 growls and barks:

    Response to Lockpick @:
    If someone already pointed this out-oops. Wisconsin does allow open carry. The People’s Republik of Illinois is the only place we law-abiding citizens are required to be unarmed prey when we leave our homes.

  39. 39
    irish19 growls and barks:

    schtick of my ilk

    OT, but hat would be a great name for a rock band.

  40. 40
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    irish19 says:

    Response to Lockpick @:
    If someone already pointed this out-oops. Wisconsin does allow open carry. The People’s Republik of Illinois is the only place we law-abiding citizens are required to be unarmed prey when we leave our homes.

    yes we have open carry, but you cannot have bullets in your gun when you are tranporting it in your car

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    Response to Tallulah @:

    Thank you for the link. That is an important essay with great advice. It is much similar to how we operated in Washington with the original Gathering of Eagles rally in March 2007. It also pays, if possible to get photos of any evident leaders of the other side. identify them for later reference. It also lets them know that they, too are under surveillance and accountability.

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    Gladiator growls and barks:

    Here’s how the purely evil, anti-American, communistic, welfare-begging private sector unions work…..

    I set up a business, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY (my capital and/or cash money). I pay for the space, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. I pay the taxes using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. I supply the parts and inventory, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. I pay for the insurance, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. I pay the labor, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. I recruit, hire, and advertise, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. Oftentimes an entire life’s savings (MY PRIVATE PROPERTY) is at stake. My future, my standing in the community, my credit, and MY PRIVATE PROPERTY are all at stake. If I fail, I stand a good chance of being economically crippled for life.

    One day, on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY that I own and acquired using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, one of my employees, who is only in my presence because of the risk of MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, comes to me and says, “Here’s the story, Bub. From this moment forward I am going to begin organizing YOUR OTHER EMPLOYEES, to work AGAINST YOUR PRIVATE INTERESTS and do everything in our power to TAKE BY FORCE AS MUCH OF YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON. We are going to spend a great deal of time and effort ORGANIZING AGAINST YOUR INTERESTS TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO GROW STRONGER AT YOUR EXPENSE, IN ORDER TO TAKE YOUR MONEY. You might as well have your business competitors working here on the shop floor. If you do not agree to our demands, we will go on strike, make your life miserable, harass and threaten and/or MURDER IN COLD BLOOD anybody you may want to hire in our place.”

    Now the one and ONLY way that such a thing could EVER take place is for the government to step in and say, “Mr. Employer (rich, white, capitalist, male), if you fire this union man, you are going to jail.”

    Plainly and simply, no union could ever exist in a free society. Yes, in a free society, you should be able to form and join a union of any type at any time for any purpose whatsoever. AND YOUR EMPLOYER SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIRE YOUR HAPPY ASS IN A HEARTBEAT FOR DOING SO.

    FREEDOM IS A TWO WAY STREET.

    I find this ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. Truly. A man strolls onto the PRIVATE PROPERTY of another man and tells him how he will employ his PRIVATE PROPERTY going forward, OR ELSE!, and hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people the world over think that the first man is not only somehow better than sub-human filth, they actually see him as a hero! To me, this is one of the most perverse and mystifying examples of twisted human thinking the world has ever seen. I can’t say it enough; you come onto my PRIVATE PROPERTY, and bargain with me, using the THREAT OF GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED FORCE, about how much of my PRIVATE PROPERTY you will allow me to keep! And this is somehow acceptable?

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    Response to Gladiator @:

    Not sure if you can do this, but what I do is bring people on as independent contractors, pay them for performance (a good amount … I have reps who have been with me since 2005), give them raises based on performance .. but I also have in the agreement that someone can be terminated at will given sufficient cause.

    I actually had one of my reps try the unionizing crap on me. I said ‘OK I will take it under advisement’ .. waited for the union crybaby to do their inevitable screwup (which happened the same day, and it was big) and then terminated him. Stupid sod tried to get unemployment .. and call a lawyer .. neither thing went anywhere.

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    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    LC Sir Intellectual Conservative 5th Columnist says:

    Response to Gladiator @:
    Not sure if you can do this, but what I do is bring people on as independent contractors, pay them for performance (a good amount … I have reps who have been with me since 2005), give them raises based on performance .. but I also have in the agreement that someone can be terminated at will given sufficient cause.
    I actually had one of my reps try the unionizing crap on me. I said ‘OK I will take it under advisement’ .. waited for the union crybaby to do their inevitable screwup (which happened the same day, and it was big) and then terminated him. Stupid sod tried to get unemployment .. and call a lawyer .. neither thing went anywhere.

    Just wondering what state you are in, my state is trying to say that you cannot do that and that they are in fact defacto employees. Owner of company I work for is trying to get a way around this.

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    Response to Lizard, G.L.O.R. @:

    I am in CA .. but the key is to have in the agreement that it’s a maximum of less than 20 hours a week that the exmployer expects. Anything after that is strictly voluntary on the rep’s part.

    I also want to clarify something – I’m not one of those idiot employers who treats his people like crap. My reps get anywhere from 2 to 3 times the industry standard in commissions, depending on whom you ask. And that’s before any bonuses for performance. And those reps who suceed wildly get promoted and become closers, and the closers get a cut of the sales for their teams. And those closers who succeed … well after a few years they get their own franchise, free or charge, of what I do for a living – and those closers find themselves with their own businesses.

    But, while I make sure those who produce and make sales are rewarded for their work, I also dont sit back and meekly accept someone not doing their job.

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    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    LC Sir Intellectual Conservative 5th Columnist says:

    Response to Lizard, G.L.O.R. @:
    I am in CA .. but the key is to have in the agreement that it’s a maximum of less than 20 hours a week that the exmployer expects. Anything after that is strictly voluntary on the rep’s part.
    I also want to clarify something – I’m not one of those idiot employers who treats his people like crap. My reps get anywhere from 2 to 3 times the industry standard in commissions, depending on whom you ask. And that’s before any bonuses for performance. And those reps who suceed wildly get promoted and become closers, and the closers get a cut of the sales for their teams. And those closers who succeed … well after a few years they get their own franchise, free or charge, of what I do for a living – and those closers find themselves with their own businesses.
    But, while I make sure those who produce and make sales are rewarded for their work, I also dont sit back and meekly accept someone not doing their job.

    She has it 15 hours but State of WI Workforce development is trying to say we are not independent contractors.
    So do your reps work from home?


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