Formerly “Great” Britain Slouching Further Into Dhimmitude

We’re going to refrain from quoting the article, just go read it, but we’ll bullet point a few things that are now a fact of life in formerly “great” Britain:

  • Non-mooselimb students being punished for refusing to pray to allah
  • Non-mooselimb students being forced to visit mosques and recite the shahada “there is no god but allah and mohamhead is his prophet”
  • No pork on the menu as it might “offend” the famously tolerant “religion of peace.”
  • No teaching about the Crusades unless it’s all about a bunch of hating, bigoted whiteys raping, pillaging and murdering peaceful, defenseless, innocent mooselimbs who’d never done anything to invite a military response.
  • Mandatory lying about who invented algebra and the number zero in order to make mooselimbs feel better about their utter lack of accomplishments.
  • And finally, for emphasis, because it is by far the most egregious offense in His Imperial Majesty’s opinion, a total Hush Order on teaching about the Shoah (or Holocaust) as it might “offend” the famously tolerant and peaceful “religion of peace.”

Yeah, that’s right. Teaching school children historical facts that might detract from the pisslamic myth that Joooos are evil, bloodsucking, genocidal vampires controlling everything and therefore guilty of every evil to have ever happened is now verboten in at least some schools in “great” Britain. The Holocaust never happened. Because to acknowledge it might cause people to sit up and take notice whenever the “religion of peace” tries to finish the job that Hitler started, which they do on a fucking daily basis.

After all, what other reason could there be for nixing teaching about the Holocaust? Surely it can’t be “offensive” to mooselimbs to teach about the horrible evil committed by a bunch of lily-white, decidedly non-mooselimb Nazi monsters. It’s not like anybody is claiming that Adolf’s rise to power was facilitated by Saudi Arabia or that he learned his insane hatred of Jews in a mooselimb madrasssah (although he might well have, had mooselimb madrassahs been present in Europe back then).

The only reason for eliminating the Shoah from curricula is that it might dilute the persistent propaganda from the religion of piss that Jews Are Evil™, because it’s really bloody hard to see somebody as evil if you just read an account of him watching his wife and children being led off to the gas chambers for the “crime” of being Jewish.

We’ll admit that we, at some points, were tired of hearing about the Holocaust too when we were a kid, but that wasn’t because we felt that it was unimportant. It was because we had a few teachers along the way who taught it, not as a tool to teach us the valuable lesson that this could happen everywhere and we needed to be on our guard for the warning signs, something we have always agreed with because those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, but as a tool to teach us that Germans are evil, which is fucking nonsense. Yes, the Germans guilty of it most assuredly were, but they were for the most part dead when we were growing up and, more importantly, Germans aren’t the only ones to ever be sucked into that sort of disgusting hatred. Just look at the entire fucking mooselimb world today if you need a current example.

It needs to be taught, because yes, Virginia, it can happen everywhere, including right here where we live particularly if we let our guard down by pretending it never happened.

That’s actually why the Holocaust is such a perfect teaching tool if used correctly: Because it happened in Germany, of all places. We’re not talking about some primitive, superstitious, tribal society stuck in pre-medieval times (such as every fucking single solitary place where pisslam is currently the state religion), we’re talking about a nation that was, at the time, one of the most enlightened nations in the world with a cultural heritage that most other nations would eat their young to have. And they’re still pretty far up on the list.

That’s precisely why the Holocaust and the rise of Nazism is such an effective cautionary tale because that means that yes, it could happen right the fuck here too!

But “great” Britain has decided to drop that because it might “offend” mooselimbs.

G-d help us!

And He will, because He promised that. Genesis 12:3.

It is going to suck mightily for those who choose to forget, though, but we really couldn’t care less at this point. They deserve what they’re about to get, and they deserve it in spades.

NEVER FORGIVE
NEVER FORGET
NEVER AGAIN!

Thatisall.

44 comments

  1. 1
    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    linky? #1

  2. 2
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Thanks, LC Spare Parts, I forgot to add the link. It’s been added now. Loose shit on my part.

    :em01:
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  3. 3
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    I wonder how many Britons, Aussies, Canucks all wish under their breaths one thing: “How the fuck do WE get a 2nd Amendment like those Wankers have in the Americas so WE can start shooting these bloody bastards?”

  4. 4
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Another thing, how are these mouth drooling leftards going explain it when the JOOOOs hand Armanidinnerjacket his overcooked asshole after the Jewish State finally says “Ok, enough of this donkey shit” and turns out the lights on the Assfuckers for Pedophiles permanently???

  5. 5
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Ah, the world continues to go to hell in a hand basket thanks to outdated religious beliefs.

    The last I heard, the Holocaust wasn’t a religious event at all, and it wasn’t just Jews who were exterminated. There were also a lot of Muslims killed.

    Viktor Frankl, in his book, “A Man’s Search For Meaning”, talks about the Muslims he encountered at Auschwitz. He recounted the advice given on how to survive the guards, and part of that advice was this:

    “Do not look like a Muslim. Do you know how a Muslim looks? He looks miserable and weak, like he will not be able to do any more work. If you look like a Muslim you will be taken sooner rather than later. “

    200,000 Muslims also died at Auschwitz at the hands of the Germans. It wasn’t because of their religion at all. They weren’t of the “Master Race” and were “flawed”.

  6. 6
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Thanks Barack

    The Arab Spring takeover of Egypt by the Muslim Brotherhood has run amok, with reports from several different media agencies that the radical Muslims have begun crucifying opponents of newly installed President Mohammed Morsi.

    Middle East media confirm that during a recent rampage, Muslim Brotherhood operatives, “crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others.”

  7. 7
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    200,000 Muslims also died at Auschwitz at the hands of the Germans.

    200k muslims . SIX MILLION JEWS! You really are self loathing arent you DJ??

  8. 8
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Viktor Frankl, in his book, “A Man’s Search For Meaning”, talks about the Muslims he encountered at Auschwitz. He recounted the advice given on how to survive the guards, and part of that advice was this:

    Actually, he was talking about something else entirely, namely a “Muselmann”, a concentration camp inmate described as:

    …one of the living dead who had given up on life. These inmates were immediately discernible by the vacant stare in their eyes and were avoided by other prisoners; you never knew when they would just stop what they were doing and walk over to one of the fences or defy the guards, no longer caring whether they lived or died. And when the guards started shooting they didn’t care where their bullets landed.

    Nothing at all having to do with “muslims”.

    Sorry, I just happen to remember because I read that book. Also, it would be kind of strange for muslims to be offended about somebody teaching about the horrifying persecution of muslims, don’t you think? It would certainly come as a huge surprise to these fellows.

    The good imam doesn’t look all that persecuted to me.
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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    The last I heard, the Holocaust wasn’t a religious event at all, and it wasn’t just Jews who were exterminated. There were also a lot of Muslims killed.

    The Butchers Bill… Quite extensive.

    Something that won’t be taught properly in the UK from now on.

  10. 10
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    200k muslims . SIX MILLION JEWS! You really are self loathing arent you DJ??

    Gladiator, why do the numbers matter? It was an extermination no matter how many non-Aryans we are talking about. Sure, six million Jewish people died . So did a lot of other people.

    Both of my parents were involved in the Nuremberg Trials. My father was one of the military prosecutors and my mother was an aide. I learned a lot of things about the Holocaust from both of them.

    Emperor Misha I @ #8:

    Muslims DID die in the Holocaust., and there are more than a few surviving Muslims who aren’t too happy with The Dinner Jacket’s assertion that the Holocaust was a “myth”. Ironically, Iran has the largest number of Jews in its population in the region, outside of Israel. My mother’s family has roots in Iran, and I have actually lived with some of them many years ago when I was between twelve and fifteen and the Shah was still in power.

    The Germans were killing anything that wasn’t of Aryan stock, and a lot of Muslims got caught up by being classified as some of the other groups besides the Jews. Gypsies, mainly.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    The good imam doesn’t look all that persecuted to me.

    The Pope wasn’t persecuted either.

    Hitler had a lot of useful idiots that he played against each other.

    For me, the bottom line is this: Outdated religious arguing about sky spooks is fucking stupid. Believe what you want to believe — just don’t try to make others believe it and we would all get along.

    But no, some people want to take things to a completely different level — I don’t care WHAT the religious belief is — it is all insanity.

    Either get along or go live on an island somewhere.

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    LibraryGryffon growls and barks:

    If I lived in the UK, I hope I’d have the fortitude to start packing and looking for a way to leave.

    And they wonder why the various nationalist parties around Europe are getting more support. I can see how normal people who don’t believe the racist garbage those parties tend to spout could feel the need to join with them politically.

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    DJ Allyn says:

    200,000 Muslims also died at Auschwitz at the hands of the Germans. It wasn’t because of their religion at all. They weren’t of the “Master Race” and were “flawed”.

    you’re right on that, but they were also Balkan Muslims and Muslims from places in Russia that the Germans conquered. They weren’t MIddle Eastern or Northern African Muslims, and those are the ones that are using political correctness as a weapon against Western society.

    There were muslim troops that fought for the Nazis, recruited from those very camps.

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    DJ Allyn says:

    For me, the bottom line is this: Outdated religious arguing about sky spooks is fucking stupid. Believe what you want to believe — just don’t try to make others believe it and we would all get along.

    But no, some people want to take things to a completely different level — I don’t care WHAT the religious belief is — it is all insanity.

    Either get along or go live on an island somewhere.

    we’d all probably get along a lot better if you and other non-believers would stop belittling our beliefs. You don’t win friends with condescension and insults.

  14. 14
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    just don’t try to make others believe it and we would all get along.

    Looks beautiful on paper however the human factor is the real bitch regardless of the dogma tethered along.

    we’d all probably get along a lot better if you and other non-believers would stop belittling our beliefs. You don’t win friends with condescension and insults.

    This X10

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says:

    we’d all probably get along a lot better if you and other non-believers would stop belittling our beliefs. You don’t win friends with condescension and insults.

    In case you hadn’t picked up on my disgust, it is because I am friggin’ tired of having someone’s belief set pushed onto me the way it has been.

    Look Jay, I have no problem with people who have their own personal belief system. I don’t care if you worship frogs, lawn darts, or a person in the sky. JUST DON’T BASE YOUR LAWS ON YOUR RELIGION! I don’t want to be subject to your personal beliefs, that’s pretty much it.

    Don’t like gay people because your religion considers it an abomination? Fine. Don’t make laws for everyone who doesn’t believe in your narrowness to follow. Don’t like abortion or contraception because of your religious beliefs? Don’t have an abortion or don’t use contraception. It is your personal decision, don’t make a fucking law to prohibit others from doing so.

    The same goes for virtually every other religious edict you care to mention. SOME of us don’t want to be subjected to YOUR silly rules. (and yes, for us they are fucking SILLY)

    I am at the end of my rope about this shit. Like I said, I don’t give a fucking shit about what ANYONE believes in. That is their PERSONAL business and should remain just that — PERSONAL. I will defend to the death your right to believe in any fucking thing you wish to — just don’t expect me to believe in it with you.

    You wonder why I appear to defend Muslims on Facebook. I am not so much defending them, but pointing out the fact that all of the Muslims that I personally know do not condemn me nor do they even try to convert me to their way of thinking. In fact, I cannot name one out of perhaps the hundred or so that I personally know, who have EVER talked bad about Jews, Christians, or any other group who doesn’t follow the Islamic faith. Not a one. I am sad to say that I cannot say the same about many of the Christians that I know.

    What is equally amazing is that I know of a Synagogue here in Seattle that actually leases space to a Muslim group for worship. You see, things are NOT quite as black and white as some of you want to put across.

    Are there groups of Muslims who are complete fucknozzles? Yes, of course there are. Just as there are Christian fucknozzles and Jewish fucknozzles and even atheist fucknozzles.

    I have a problem with ANYONE who uses their religion to try and force everyone else to comply with THEIR beliefs. Here in the US, the majority religion happens to be some flavor of “Christianity” and so yes, my remarks are mostly focused in THAT direction.

    Contrary to the RIght wing rhetoric, we are NOT a Christian nation, nor were we ever founded upon such a notion. We just happen to be a nation where the majority happens to identify with Christianity and that is it. The Founding Fathers were quite clear on this, which is why they were pretty clear when they said that the government was to adopt no official religion and that there was to be NO FUCKING TEST OF RELIGION when it came to elections.

    There are more than a few of us who have figured out that fairy tales have no place in our lives. I no sooner believe in sparkle farting unicorns and other magical gnomes than I do in some two-thousand-year-old fairy tale about a mythical god who rules over us. But if YOU want to believe in that, have at it. Just don’t force the rest of us to believe in some supernatural being that hasn’t been seen in several thousand years.

    In other words, don’t base our laws upon the stupid shit..

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    DJ Allyn says:

    But if YOU want to believe in that, have at it. Just don’t force the rest of us to believe in some supernatural being that hasn’t been seen in several thousand years.

    we gonna have this discussion again? no one, not one Christian group is forcing you to believe in anything. Not only is that wrong, but it borders on being unconstitutional. This is about islamists forcing people to accept their murderous set of laws and religion at the cost of your head if you don’t…..but you refuse to acknowledge that except in the most general of terms yet have no problem with specifically calling us believers in the “little man in the sky”/”fairy tale” Christian jihadists

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    No teaching about the Crusades unless it’s all about a bunch of hating, bigoted whiteys raping, pillaging and murdering peaceful, defenseless, innocent mooselimbs who’d never done anything to invite a military response.

    Alas that is they way the Crusades are taught here as well. I’ll never forget a conversation with my niece about Crusades when she was “LEARNING” about it in school. They left out the Council of Clermont, the Byzantine’s begging for help as Muslim forces beat down their door….. They left out Muslim forces sweeping through north Africa and into Europe.. All they teach is Christian atrocities.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    The reason the Crusades were formed were because the Muslims were busy jamming their “religion” down our throats. Or does no one remember the Battle of Tours, the last time the French were honorable.

    Hitler killed 200,000 Muzzies. Not enough.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Don’t like gay people because your religion considers it an abomination? Fine. Don’t make laws for everyone who doesn’t believe in your narrowness to follow. Don’t like abortion or contraception because of your religious beliefs? Don’t have an abortion or don’t use contraception. It is your personal decision, don’t make a fucking law to prohibit others from doing so.

    You want to play that game? Fine. Then, since I don’t approve of homosexuality, quit rubbing my nose in it with gay parades on the taxpayer dime. Don’t force our children to read “Heather has two mommies,” and then wonder why we gets our hackles up over it. Most Christians don’t approve of abortion, but we are forced to pay, not only for women here in the states, but women overseas as well. Are you equally outraged over that? There are those (namely Catholics) who don’t approve of contraception, but your messiah wants all religious-based organizations to have to pay for them regardless. Are you equally outraged over that? I find artwork like “Piss Christ” VERY offensive, yet as a taxpayer, I am forced to pay for it through the NEA. I don’t agree with evolution being taught as fact in the public schools, yet I am forced to pay for it through my taxes. Are you as outraged at Christians being FORCED to compromise their beliefs?

    The beauty of being an atheist is that you don’t need to have any beliefs or morals to compromise. Christians, on the other hand, are being force into compromising nearly every belief they hold dear.

    You want to be left alone, DJ? Then leave US alone. You can’t have it both ways.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Look Jay, I have no problem with people who have their own personal belief system. I don’t care if you worship frogs, lawn darts, or a person in the sky. JUST DON’T BASE YOUR LAWS ON YOUR RELIGION!

    Yeah, well, in principle I agree with that completely. Problem is, that “just don’t base your laws on your religion” clause is a catch-all whenever there’s a law you don’t like that happens to agree with somebody’s (always a Christian’s) religion. Then it’s ALL BECAUSE OF YOU FOISTING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME!1!!!11!!

    Hey, let’s abolish laws against murder. After all, it’s just a silly Christian belief. Look it up. It’s right there in the Ten Commandments. “Thou shalt not murder.” Ergo any laws against murder are based on nothing but superstitious, silly religious beliefs.

    Am I being silly? No I’m not. You bring up a perfect example yourself:DJ Allyn says:

    Don’t like abortion or contraception because of your religious beliefs?

    I “don’t like” abortion because it’s murder. It has nothing to do with my religious beliefs. I assure you. I was against it when I was an atheist too. Problem is, now I’m a Christian so my opposition to abortion can conveniently be ignored as “religious fanaticism” which is, of course, utter bullshit.

    And keep contraception out of it, would you kindly? Yes, I’m against it, but you won’t find me pushing for laws against it. It doesn’t pick my pocket. UNLESS somebody tries to force me to pay for somebody else’s contraception, in which case… COME AND FUCKING GET IT. But bring friends. And body bags. Not because of my religious beliefs, but because of my innate opposition to theft. Want rubbers? Fucking go buy them with your own fucking money, not mine.

    Homosexuality? Yeah, I’m agin’ it. But I’m not going to, ever, push for laws making it illegal. Adam and Steve can have at it as much as they bloody well like, it doesn’t hurt my feelings none. But I ain’t subsidizing it or accepting it as “marriage”. No way, no how. Call it “schnibselgruben”, I have no problem with that, but the word “marriage” is taken.
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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Here’s google search on ONE bunch of the ROP. Where is the cries from Shoddy Retardia, Iran, or ANY pisslamic ruled shit hole to stop ??
    And I guess that DJ forgot something, we Christians don’t kill homosexuals. pisslam does.
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    The Other Les growls and barks:

    The problem with Islam is that it makes genocide look like a good idea.

    Islam Delenda Est.
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    BigDogg growls and barks:

    Ah, Islam … the gutter religion based upon the hallucinations and barbaric whims of an illiterate pedophile wannabe warlord “prophet”, that prays to a previously pagan moon-god. The very symbol of Islam, the morning star inside the crescent moon, is a Biblical reference to Satan. “Allah” in Arabic is a pictogram of a snake with a crown behind man.

    Islam is a disease … it is not benign, it is malignant. It cannot be left to fester and spread, but must be fought back against – or it will destroy the organism it occupies. See Europe.

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    DJ Allyn says:

    Believe what you want to believe — just don’t try to make others believe it and we would all get along.

    Now, that little piece right there says my feeling. The rest in that quoted area not so much. But that one little piece…
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    BigDogg says:

    Ah, Islam … the gutter religion based upon the hallucinations and barbaric whims of an illiterate pedophile wannabe warlord “prophet”, that prays to a previously pagan moon-god. The very symbol of Islam, the morning star inside the crescent moon, is a Biblical reference to Satan. “Allah” in Arabic is a pictogram of a snake with a crown behind man.
    Islam is a disease … it is not benign, it is malignant. It cannot be left to fester and spread, but must be fought back against – or it will destroy the organism it occupies. See Europe.

    Well said. Fuck Shariah particularly. Especially. Keep your whatever in your own compound, and everything is hunky-poodles. Whatever blows your skirt up. But don’t attempt to push it on me.
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  26. 26
    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    BigDogg @ #:
    Yes, it is a disease. Too bad we have let it take root in America. I’ll let BNI tell you more.

  27. 27
    Sir Fresh Sign growls and barks:

    Love how this is about Islam but the in house swine turns it into a nasty hateful swipe at ALL religions..and we KNOW which one he REALLY means.. Swine

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Hey, let’s abolish laws against murder. After all, it’s just a silly Christian belief.

    Christians don’t have a monopoly on the do not kill thing. Just because a few of our laws happen to coincide with Judeo/Christian/Islam beliefs don’t make those laws “religious”.

    I am talking about laws we create that are rooted in a religious belief and nothing more. Like the idiocy that life begins at intercourse, or a marriage is between one man and one woman (which, incidentally, the Bible seems to have several straying ideas on that)

    Like I said, if you follow an organized religious belief — follow it as much or as little as you personally want to. That is your “freedom of religion” But refrain from the need to codify your religious beliefs in secular law to force the rest of us to follow along with you. If you don’t want to have a gay marriage — don’t. If you don’t want an abortion — don’t. If you don’t want to use contraception — don’t. Don’t want to buy liquor on Sundays — don’t. It is pretty simple. You are still able to follow your religious beliefs and nobody and no government is telling you otherwise. If you want to, you can be a full-fledged religious person or you can be a cafeteria Christian if you want. It is all up to you.

    But your freedom OF religion also gives the rest of us the freedom FROM religion — it is a two way street and if we keep it that way, everyone can get along.

    I will be the first to admit that there are those on the OTHER side of you who would rather not be reminded at all of religion. They are the ones who become “offended” at publicly displayed Nativity Scenes, or the mention of “Christmas”, or even the utterance of a prayer in a public place. To me, they are just as bad — if not worse — than those who wish to impose their religious beliefs on other people. A “Boot to the head” to them as well.
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    LC Ted growls and barks:

    DJ, how can you not create laws based on the primary religion of a group? laws are a reflection of what a society will and won’t accept. where else would you find a base for a moral code?

    Libertarianism looks nice on paper, but denies human nature. so it will never work.

    Why does my “fairy tale” offend you. While yours doesn’t offend me? Is the problem really yours while you try and project it onto me?

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    But refrain from the need to codify your religious beliefs in secular law to force the rest of us to follow along with you.

    But it’s okay for the government to codify secular law to force me to compromise my religious beliefs.

  31. 31
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    You want to be left alone, DJ? Then leave US alone. You can’t have it both ways.

    I have been saying this for years.

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Quit debating how many devils dance on the head of a pustule. All of humanity has now been reduced to a bunch of anthills. The colony that wins will be the one with the most asses at the finish. Wars are fought for cultural primacy. The animus of all conflict is, “be like US, or we kill You.” It’s that simple. The Left gets it, applies it, and refuses to allow us to live by and for ourselves. Right now they do it with calumny, but only because we can still offer armed resistance. And besides; if they kill us, who will work and be taxed to penury to support all their filthy bastards?

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Don’t like abortion or contraception because of your religious beliefs? Don’t have an abortion or don’t use contraception. It is your personal decision, don’t make a fucking law to prohibit others from doing so.

    And what about the rights of the BABY??? WHO speaks for the CHILD?? Arent Laws meant to protect that??

  34. 34
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Ted says:

    DJ, how can you not create laws based on the primary religion of a group? laws are a reflection of what a society will and won’t accept. where else would you find a base for a moral code?

    It’s easy. Religion and morality are not exclusive, and virtually every society have the same basic rules that happen to intersect with almost ALL religions. But for one to claim those rules as exclusive to them, is silly.

    It isn’t the basic rules that I have a problem with. It is the use of religion to deny someone else of THEIR beliefs. I don’t care what a religious group does within their group, just don’t export it and expect everyone else to adhere to it.

    And for crying out loud, if a Church is having problems with their flock straying from their teachings, don’t use the law as a mandate to force them and everyone else to comply with those teachings.

    Don’t get the idea that I “hate” Christians or religion, because I don’t. I just dislike the idea of having it legislated to me. Jay is forever asking why I don’t speak out against the Muslims like I do Christians and the answer is simple: I am not currently being effected by Muslims. I don’t notice Muslims trying to use the legislative process to tell me how to live. In fact, the Muslims that I personally know are much like most of the Christians and Jews that I personally know — good people who aren’t trying to impose themselves or their beliefs on me.

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    But it’s okay for the government to codify secular law to force me to compromise my religious beliefs.

    Skye, contrary to your meme, that isn’t happening though. You are still able to practice your religious beliefs, and believe in anything you want to believe in. I don’t see the government blocking the doors to your church or telling you that you can’t believe in flying saucers, garden gnomes, or Big Foot. But if your belief happen to include barring someone else from THEIR beliefs, then there is a problem.

    I know where you are going with this. It is about the mandate that forces health insurance companies to provide contraception at their cost, and not the cost of the company or patient. The thing is, if the company is an exclusive religious organization, they are exempt from that mandate. But if they hire non-Catholics then they are simply a business operating in the secular world and are therefore subject to the secular rules. It really isn’t that difficult of a concept. If you don’t want to follow the secular rules, then don’t operate in the secular realm.
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Jay is forever asking why I don’t speak out against the Muslims like I do Christians and the answer is simple: I am not currently being effected by Muslims.

    I bet the family of Daniel Pearl, and others like him (beheaded) appreciate your courage in speaking up,DJ.

    “In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
    – by Martin Niemöller

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    LibraryGryffon growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #:

    But your freedom OF religion also gives the rest of us the freedom FROM religion — it is a two way street and if we keep it that way, everyone can get along.

    Well, it depends on how you define FROM. If you simply mean, we don’t force you to join our church, mosque, coven, synagogue, etc or else, you’re right. If you mean never having to have any contact with anything related to the others’ religions, you’re dead wrong. Because at that point your freedom FROM religion is depriving me of my freedom OF religion, since for most of us, if we actually try to do more than pay lip-service to our religions’ tenets, our public actions are informed by our private beliefs.

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    The Irish Dragoness growls and barks:

    I know where you are going with this. It is about the mandate that forces health insurance companies to provide contraception at their cost, and not the cost of the company or patient. The thing is, if the company is an exclusive religious organization, they are exempt from that mandate. But if they hire non-Catholics then they are simply a business operating in the secular world and are therefore subject to the secular rules. It really isn’t that difficult of a concept. If you don’t want to follow the secular rules, then don’t operate in the secular realm.

    Part of the mission of the Catholic Church is to help those in need. In fulfilling this mission adoption agencies and hospitals have been opened. (In fact, many of the first hospital every opened were started by various religious orders within the Catholic Church.) These hospitals do hire people who are non-Catholic but those people who are hired are aware that they are working for a Catholic organization. Even if they disagree on some points they accept the mission statement, etc of the organization they are working for when they agree to sign the employment contract. No one is forcing or coercing them into working for a Catholic organization…it is THEIR choice. To those who chose to complain…you remind me of some of my classmates in college, whining about how we couldn’t have alcohol on campus. You knew when you chose to attend this college that it was a dry campus so shut up or go somewhere else.

    In trying to force a Catholic hospital to implement the new mandates your are tell them that they must go against their core beliefs. So what if they are operating in a secular environment? They are Catholic first and foremost. By your argument Catholic schools who have a non-Catholic janitor or non-Catholic students must follow the mandates. If a convent or monastery dare hire someone who is non-Catholic to mow the lawn then they too must cave.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    The Irish Dragoness says:

    In trying to force a Catholic hospital to implement the new mandates your are tell them that they must go against their core beliefs. So what if they are operating in a secular environment? They are Catholic first and foremost. By your argument Catholic schools who have a non-Catholic janitor or non-Catholic students must follow the mandates. If a convent or monastery dare hire someone who is non-Catholic to mow the lawn then they too must cave.

    This.

    Also, apart from the fact that it is nowhere said that religious organizations who hire employees who don’t belong to their religion are suddenly “no longer religious organizations.”

    But I can’t help but find it funny that Deej’s argument, in fact, means that religious organizations have to either A) violate their own beliefs if they ever hire a non-believer or B) deliberately discriminate in their hiring practices against people not following the employer’s doctrine. They certainly have the right to do so, but Deej is basically saying that they have to either do that or violate their own beliefs.

    Heads, I win, tails, you lose.

    :em05:
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    DJ Allyn says:

    Don’t get the idea that I “hate” Christians or religion, because I don’t. I just dislike the idea of having it legislated to me. Jay is forever asking why I don’t speak out against the Muslims like I do Christians and the answer is simple: I am not currently being effected by Muslims. I don’t notice Muslims trying to use the legislative process to tell me how to live. In fact, the Muslims that I personally know are much like most of the Christians and Jews that I personally know — good people who aren’t trying to impose themselves or their beliefs on me.

    I forever ask that question because you and all the other Christian bashers never quite answer it, you always evade by generalizing the answer to “well, ALL religions are bad”.

    Muslims will never use the legislative process to impose their beliefs on you, they’ll do it at gunpoint….and if you think that most Christians are good people, then why do you continually flood Facebook with those Christian hate messages all the time? I know that they aren’t yours, but you link to them and call us jihadists…which I find personally offensive, I mean…how offensive would it be to a muslim if I called them a muslim crusader? you like most Christians? then stop posting the generic Christian hate messages.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    The Irish Dragoness @ #:37
    I once had an acquaintance who went to the Assembly of God church. She decided to attend Creighton University, a venerable Catholic institution. She was visiting me one day and whining about how they make all of their students attend Mass, and they were preaching Catholicism (duh!), and was drafting a letter to the Dean of Students complaining about it.

    I reminded her that it was HER decision to attend the University, and that if she were offended, then she should go elsewhere.

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. @ #:
    When was that G C? Jesuit universities haven’t been Catholic since 1973. SLU lasted the longest because of the late Fr. Reinert. All the others succumbed much earlier to Vatican II revisionism and Lib-eration theology.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    LC Spare Parts @ #: 41
    Spare Parts, my bad. I stand corrected. Creighton is Jesuit. I KNOW that, too. Brain fart, I guess. My acquaintance told me they were preaching Catholicism, but she may not really know what that means.

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    Lady H growls and barks:

    But it’s okay for the government to codify secular law to force me to compromise my religious beliefs.

    Yeap.

    Reminds me of a great tweet from IowaHawk, and I may be paraphrasing: “I’m all for separation of Church and State as long the State is your church.”

    You don’t like that a Catholic organization won’t allow your “reproductive freedom”. Easy peasy–go work somewhere else. Everyone happy. That’s always the way it’s been. There are PLENTY of secular organizations who probably would love to have you. Don’t force ME to pay for something that I consider sinful. Pay for it yourself. My CHOICE is not to.
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    Lady H growls and barks:

    If I am not mistaken I think that the courts ruled in the 1960s (of course!) that Catholic/Jesuit universities had to include “free thought”. Thus the greater divide between these so called Catholic higher centers of learning from the teachings of Mother Church.

    I can go all day with my fellow Catholic Rotts on the WRONG interpretations of the Vatican II Council. Thankfully, we’re getting back on the right track, little by little, especially in the US.
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