Was it Even “Body Armor” in the First Place?

In addition to what LC single stack has already mentioned in a most compelling way in this thread (that the AR-15 of the Aurora Beast was chambered for 22LR instead of .223), we now also learn that the “body armor” that he was allegedly wearing might not have been body armor at all.

Both items obviously serve to answer the question as to where the beast got “all of that money” from as A) 22LR is cheap enough that you almost get it thrown at you when you go ammo shopping and B) there’s quite the price diff when it comes to “tactical vests” vs. “full body armor.”

And then there’s the whole issue that the LameStream Midiots are trying to puff up out of thin air, namely that “body armor on murderers means that carrying for self-defense is pointless so the NRA can all shut up now, neener”, the kind of incandescent idiocy that only a mediot journaljizzt can come up with. Andy at Ace’s stomps wonderfully on that bullshit, so we urge you to go read it for yourselves.

All of the points he makes are spot on, but there’s one missing, one that His Imperial Majesty realizes has been missing everybloodywhere, and that is that body armor, even the real kind, isn’t an Impervious Force Field of Awesome as some would love for you to think.

Yes, it most certainly is capable of turning a penetrating, killing shot into a non-lethal one, the key here being the word “penetrating.”

What it doesn’t do, outside of Hollyweird movies which is where journaljizzmers get all of their knowledge about weapons and armor from, is make that giant heap of lovely kinetic energy that your body just intercepted zip through a rift in the space-time continuum to an alternate universe where it can dissipate without consequence to you.

You’re still going to feel every single joule of that impact, trust us on that one. Depending on the projectile involved, that can be quite the punch to your meat sack and, even though your body armor may save you from actually dying, that kick in the chest is still going to get your attention in unpleasant ways. At a minimum, it’s going to knock you straight out of your OODA loop for a bit while your neurological “WTF?” response travels from the point of impact to your brain group housing.

Which is rather important from a law-abiding CHL holder’s point of view, as he or she most likely isn’t carrying a single shot 18th century relic. He or she now, apart from having drawn the murderer’s attention away from unarmed innocents, has a nice little window of opportunity through which a nice, trouble-ending shot to the turnip can be fired. Or more than one. Nothing says “problem solved” more definitively than a mess of bloody gray matter mixed with bone splinters where the goblin’s head once was.

Remember, children: “Two to center mass, one to the noggin.” If the target is unarmored, the first two will likely take care of business. If the target is armored, the first two will disrupt the target for long enough that the third shot will settle the issue at hand.

But don’t let that stop you from unloading the rest of the magazine, just to be on the safe side.

Thatisall.

25 comments

  1. 1
    FrankOK growls and barks:

    Whe the two bandits held up to Bank of America on the left coast before cashing in a few years ago, one of my questions was “why did the dumbass cops go to a gunstore and grab ARs”?

    As stated by His Royal Highness, every bit of a projo’s energy is necessarily expended in its “braking” by body armor. The 5.56/.223 pieces of shit the fuzz grabbed from the gun store, as high as these two were, probably served better to piss them off than get their attention.

    A “sporting” rifle in .375 H&H or larger would have been a game stopper – even if the slug didn’t penetrate the vest, the dissipation of energy (4000-7000 ft lbs. vs: 1200 ft lbs for the .223) would have done some serious structural damage to any person, high or not, with body armor, immediately ending the gunfight. A larger bore weapon would also have killed their car or anything else they could commandeer.

    I personally have a loaded .458 Win. Mag for any unruly T-Rex that might show up at my door.

    Oh yeah – FOIST!

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I’ve mentioned that in other forums where some gun grabbing liberal dirtbag says “Well he had on a bullet proof vest! He would still be able to shoot more people!”

    Umm no dimbulb. Although it hasn’t happened to me, (Knock on Obama’s head wood), it’s like getting hit with a hammer. It may not go through, but you are going to feel it and it will stun you for a moment or longer.

    And said armored up bad guy gets back up, I’m going to think, “He must have body armor on!” and I’m going to keep shooting until he doesn’t get up anymore. (I’m not going to assume I can put two into the turban. I’ll stick with center mass)

    Just watch the video of the soldier shot at close range by a sniper. It hit him in the ceramic plate and he STILL went down.

    I suspect these ignoramuses are thinking about the Hollywood shootout where the bad guys had hand made custom armor. From what I recall they had a lot of padding on to handle the kinetic effects, but the down side was not being able to move to well.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    You’re still going to feel every single joule of that impact, trust us on that one. Depending on the projectile involved, that can be quite the punch to your meat sack and, even though your body armor may save you from actually dying, that kick in the chest is still going to get your attention in unpleasant ways. At a minimum, it’s going to knock you straight out of your OODA loop for a bit while your neurological “WTF?” response travels from the point of impact to your brain group housing.

    Generally, yes, but not necessarily. The North Hollywood bank robbers were hit repeatedly during their shootout with police, and continued to fight without showing much reaction at all – even from rounds that penetrated. One of the guys in the Miami FBI shootout shrugged off a lot of hits, too – and he wasn’t even armored.

  4. 4
    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Both items obviously serve to answer the question as to where the beast got “all of that money” from

    It appears that he got a 26 THOUSAND dollar grant from the National Institute of Health. It was to pay his tuition and a stipend.

    I bet they do some better vetting in the future.

    Link here.

  5. 5
    IgnatiusHood growls and barks:

    Misha:

    That explains the 100rd magazine and the jam. The 22lr I have used in the past looks just like an AR and is a riot to shoot. Pain in the ass to reload and it jams, and jams, and jams. Now the .223 AR I have used is not as *fun* to shoot, you only get 30rds and they rarely jam doubly so with the SigSauer model.

    Cube:

    This ironically is one of the main arguments against 9mm Parabellum. The sonic round tends to go right through and leaves walking dead. Guys who have been shot fatally but are still very much active for 5-15 minutes after a fatal gunshot wound. It might be why you get 15 shots. I hear the .38 is even worse in this trait. IIRC the FBI were using .38 revolvers in that Miami shootout. Now the .45 is a wonderful caliber and if you get hit by one, vest or not, you’re going down. Of course the sliding scale goes up from there with .357mag .44mag .50mag etc but YMMV.

    IMO nothing beats a good old Remington 870 shotgun with the HD barrell and a wide open choke. Its loud, its messy, aiming isn’t as important, did I mention its loud? Loud as fuck indoors! And of course if there is a goblin on the planet who doesn’t know the distinctive sound of racking a shell in a pump shotgun he was born under a rock.

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    dasbow growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. @ #:

    I bet they don’t. It is the gubment, after all.

  7. 7
    KArnold growls and barks:

    “It appears that he got a 26 THOUSAND dollar grant from the National Institute of Health. It was to pay his tuition and a stipend.”

    Hoddam. ATF makes you buy your guns before you take them off the grid and carry them back to Mexico under the radar. NIH gives you a grant so Uncle Sugar can buy your guns for you!

    Is that considered a stimulus payment? If it is, I’ll be filling out an application for that Steyr Scout I’ve been eyeballing, but haven’t have the coin in the budget to buy yet.

  8. 8
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Does his wardrobe and choice of ammo really matter?

    As far as media and their ‘reporting’ go, definitely.

    As far as Bozo the psycho goes, dress him up in a clown suit to compliment his stylish hair, then…

    take his ass out back, make him dig a hole, and put a bullet in his head. Then fill the hole in and be done with it.

    Cha-ching! :em01:

  9. 9

    I always taught this catchy phrase: “Two to the chest, one to the head, even the Jolly Green Giant falls dead”.

  10. 10
    KArnold growls and barks:

    Deej:

    I don’t comment here as often as I’d like, and I will admit I usually don’t interact with you, deliberately – you and I probably deeply disagree on many subjects, and I come here to have a good time among like-minded friends; out of respect for our Imperial host, I prefer to avoid friction with you, and I’d rather avoid becoming an unpleasant guest here. I’d no more pick a fight with you here than prop my spurs up on Misha’s coffee table at his home. I desire to be a good houseguest.

    Some things you’ve written in the above comment, though, have caught my attention, and I’d like to comment on them; so please appreciate that I mean you no personal disrespect in what I write.

    “… the general public really isn’t concerned about the differences between .223 and 22LR ammo.”

    You are correct – the general public is content to be misinformed. This is the reason the general public makes a lot of stupid decisions. Witness the “assault guns” legislation, which in many cases includes some firearms and excludes others for no better reason than the simply look more nasty than others. As IgnatiusHood lays out, there’s a huge difference. People’s ignorance isn’t conducive to intelligent handling of that difference.

    “… But the reality is that NEITHER side have the appetite to make any changes… Even that “Obama gonna come git all of your guns” routine is just a fundraising ploy. The reality is, that neither Obama NOR Romney even want to talk about the issue.”

    A lot of the talk IS theater – I agree with you on that. But beyond the theater, there are objective events and actions that are reality. The Fourth Circuit Court just handed down a decision telling Maryland that “shall issue” is the correct formulation, not “may issue.” That’s objectively important, because the state is actually and really pursuing a policy that determines whether or not law-abiding citizens have the government’s permission to carry, and that decision is going to affect reality. There has been news about whether or not the United Nations has a right to impose on individual nations whether firearms may be manufactured, traded, and perhaps even owned. What the UN’s goal is is a clear fact. What we are going to do about it is worthy of level-headed, well-reasoned discussion. When it goes beyond mere chest-thumping and has the potential for actual outcomes, good citizens ought to discuss it, ought to be informed, and ought to make intelligent decisions. Dismissing the debate by saying “they’re all just shooting off their mouths about it, and nothing substantive will ever come of it,” is an insufficient response.

    I agree with you that Romney falls short. He’s not even close to being my ideal candidate. The way I see it, I’m not voting for Romney in November; I’m voting against Obama. I disagree with him on a significant number of issues, but his opponent disagrees with me on nearly all.

  11. 11
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Does his wardrobe and choice of ammo really matter?

    In a word – Yes it does- there is “body armor” and there is, miltary grade body armor – I carried the second in both Iraq and the ‘ghan — which if I have my facts straight here you cannot obtain the military grad stuff commerically.

  12. 12
    LC Alric growls and barks:

    FrankOK says:

    Whe the two bandits held up to Bank of America on the left coast before cashing in a few years ago, one of my questions was “why did the dumbass cops go to a gunstore and grab ARs”?
    As stated by His Royal Highness, every bit of a projo’s energy is necessarily expended in its “braking” by body armor. The 5.56/.223 pieces of shit the fuzz grabbed from the gun store, as high as these two were, probably served better to piss them off than get their attention.
    A “sporting” rifle in .375 H&H or larger would have been a game stopper – even if the slug didn’t penetrate the vest, the dissipation of energy (4000-7000 ft lbs. vs: 1200 ft lbs for the .223) would have done some serious structural damage to any person, high or not, with body armor, immediately ending the gunfight. A larger bore weapon would also have killed their car or anything else they could commandeer.
    I personally have a loaded .458 Win. Mag for any unruly T-Rex that might show up at my door.
    Oh yeah – FOIST!
    FrankOK recently posted..GRRRRR – DAMMIT!!

    You do know the 5.56 NATO is extremely effective against any body armor a man can wear, unless the person happens to have ballistic steel/ceramic plates? Simple physics; small crosssection round + high velocity = Kevlar being tissue paper. The .375 H&H would be good as a sniper/overwatch weapon, not so much for the cops shooting and scooting to flank/assault the perps.

  13. 13

    FrankOK says:

    The 5.56/.223 pieces of shit the fuzz grabbed from the gun store, as high as these two were, probably served better to piss them off than get their attention.

    Those rifles were actually never used in that firefight as the cop who grabbed them got back too late. But, the second perp was brought down by SWAT who were using M-4’s, firing the 5.56 (the first one popped himself). The 5.56 WILL defeat conventional body armor, and it does a hell of a lot of tissue damage when it does.

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    rickn8or growls and barks:

    always taught this catchy phrase: “Two to the chest, one to the head, even the Jolly Green Giant falls dead”.

    I always heard it as “Two to the chest, one to the head, do it again if the bastard ain’t dead.”

    But yeah, all the familiar people are coming out of the same holes, spouting the same stuff. For example Frank “Night of the Living Dead” Lautenberg (D-NJ) is rolling out his magazine limit legislation again. It’s like he can’t go back to his grave without putting his name on one more piece of dumbshit legislation.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. @ #:
    Is that the “standard” 5.56 ball or the 5.56 SS109? As we know what happens on certain shooting ranges with the SS109……
    Everyday I get e-mails from companies offering “mil-spec” armor. Carriers and plates. I’ve seen video and photo’s of the helmets after taking a 9MM, kinda keeps your head brain in one spot, inside the helmet.
    And as one gun blogger asked, “Where were these guys with knifes?” Could no one behind the scumbag hamstrung him ? Even get lucky and stab him in the neck ? Or are we just at that point in America where a man cannot be a man, he has to be a metrosexual. I fully blame shit like this on A. The shooter, and B. The liberal “teachers” who spewed that being a man is a bad thing, along with how evil Amerikkka really is. Fucking commies.

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    Boryon growls and barks:

    LC LOBO says:

    Or are we just at that point in America where a man cannot be a man, he has to be a metrosexual. I fully blame shit like this on A. The shooter, and B. The liberal “teachers” who spewed that being a man is a bad thing, along with how evil Amerikkka really is. Fucking commies.

    Some understood.
    Jon Blunk, 25
    Matt McQuinn, 27
    Alex Teves, 24

  17. 17
    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    Where did this no armor and .22lr bullshit come from?

    ” rel=”nofollow”>Here is the stuff he was wearing … a Kevlar helmit, and a rifle-grade trauma plate and holder.

    Here is the police press conference audio … they specifically identified it as an AR-15, and that he was shooting .223 ammo.

    Please don’t repeat internet bullshit without providing actual proof.

  18. 18
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    That’s not necessarily a genuine PASGT brain bucket.

  19. 19
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    I remember in Basic the demonstration of how bulletproof a PASGT is. One of the drill SGT’s show one repeatedly with an M-16.

    I also remember how it flew about ten feet with each hit. The drill sgts stressed that it WILL stop bullets, but it will ring your head lie a bell every hit, and you’ll be lucky if you don’t get whiplash or a broken neck from your head snapping in various directions.

  20. 20
    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    draven: It’s enough to stop a pistol round.

    Gunsniper: I wouldn’t bet my life that he got rooked with an airsoft replica by some gunshow reptile.

  21. 21
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    Kristopher, LC says:

    draven: It’s enough to stop a pistol round.
    Gunsniper: I wouldn’t bet my life that he got rooked with an airsoft replica by some gunshow reptile.

    It will stop a rifle round, just won’t be comfortable doin it

  22. 22
    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    Local “news” station, NBC if you can wrap yer head around it, has found out about the “body armor”.
    Then again, NBC ???? :em03:

  23. 23
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Lobo, those are local guys, not network. So, they may still have some pride in their work and may want to actually inform their viewers.
    As for the “body armor”, wow, he spent a whopping $100 for the armor.
    Kristopher, I think you owe some apologies. If what he was wearing as “body armor” is what is showing on the photographed receipt, he wasn’t wearing body armor.
    Besides, I have seen cops make mistakes, not know what they were talking about, and outright lie their asses off. I think this might be a case of the latter.

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    rickn8or growls and barks:

    Besides, I have seen cops make mistakes, not know what they were talking about, and outright lie their asses off. I think this might be a case of the latter.

    You don’t think they’re trying to build a case that cops should be “the only ones” allowed to wear body armor in public do you?

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    rickn8or @ #:

    You don’t think they’re trying to build a case that cops should be “the only ones” allowed to wear body armor in public do you?

    I think that’s already the case in a few states, like Massachusetts.