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Ice-T Defends Gun Rights: “The Last Form Of Defense Against Tyranny”

It’s legal in the United States,” the rapper said. “The right to bear arms is because that’s the last form of defense against tyranny. Not to hunt. It’s to protect yourself from the police.

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    He’s also a staunch defender of the First Amendment. Yeah, he’s got a criminal past, and he’s a Zero supporter, but he has more clue when it comes to the Bill of Rights than most!
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    It’s to protect yourself from the police

    Whole heartedly agreed – well Right up until he spouted that paranoid nonsense – Color me unimpressed – sorry.
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder @ #:

    Considering that there are quite a few police that abuse their authority, I don’t think what he’s talking about is out of the realm of possibility.
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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch @ #:

    Also considering where we live Nicki, the cops have become nothing more than armed tax collectors instead of “To Protect and to Serve”

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    And if I’m not mistaken he was also 11B Airborne…

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    LC Light29ID says:

    And if I’m not mistaken he was also 11B Airborne…

    Nope. 25th ID.
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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Most law officers I have known are stand up guys. It’s the ones who are perfectly willing to be nothing more than hired guns for the local establishment and the shave tail Hitler youth types after any collars they can get to fatten their jackets like that bunch in Florida with their no knock raids who threaten Our Freedom. So Ice ain’t all wrong. He can expect a visit soon from the IRS.

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    That’s right Jimi Hendrix was Airborne

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    Hvy Gunner 0331 growls and barks:

    No no, Nikki.. He was MOS Qualified as an Airborne qualified 11B- Infantryman. He may have been in the 25th Infantry Division…

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    Hvy Gunner 0331 growls and barks:

    :em07:

    Serves me right tryin’ to unfuck the Army-speak… Love you guys!

    :em05:

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Okay that’s it, call the Pope, the end days are here….IceT making sense.. wonder how he tolerated the lefties BS in Law and Order :em05:

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Well I gotta go with I’m not feeling the chill. Ya know what I’m sayin? If dude had used the word “govt” instead of police, not only would have been correct, I would have mo respect for his position. But he’s almost there. The 2nd is both a detterent and mitigator of tyranny. It is the lynchpin of the sytem. If the police are the bad guys for enforcing the laws the politicians legislate, the how does one classify the legislators? But it seems like he is evolving.

    I can’t support a general “de po po’s” de enemy meme. They are NOT. Of course there are shitbirds, just like any other organisation. I think Ice T was speaking in his “gangsta” persona about the ability to respond to police heavy handedness. Which of course he wouldn’t be exposed to if he didn’t hang out with self identified criminals.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Yeah. I sort of had a “the po po is the first thing he thinks of?” moment too but, then again, let’s not get hung up on the details and miss the fact that he got the idea absolutely right, and I quote:

    Well, I’ll give up my gun when everybody does. Doesn’t that make sense? If there were guns here, would you want to be the only person without one?

    Bingo. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. If everybody else has access to swords, do you want to be the only one with a toothpick? Give the man a point.

    Yeah, it’s legal in the United States. It’s part of our Constitution.

    Bada-BING! “It’s in the Constitution”. End of argument. Do piss off, Bloombutt.

    You know, the right to bear arms is because that’s the last form of defense against tyranny.

    Among other things, to be sure, but that’s what the Founding Fathers were saying too, down to the last detail: Defense against tyranny. You can define tyranny any way you like, you can call it the tyranny of the gubmint, the tyranny of crack addicts breaking into your homes at will or the tyranny of whoever happens to be the guy with the biggest arsenal, but that’s what it’s all about.

    Not to hunt.

    THANK yew! Few things annoy me more than hydrocephalic twats babbling about how they’re “not going to take guns away from hunters.” The Second Amendment says nothing, NOTHING about hunting. Nor does the rest of the Constitution, so fuck right the fuck off, you lukewarm “reasonable gun laws” cockfondlers.

    You know what I’m saying, if somebody wants to kill people, you know, they don’t need a gun to do it.

    Going for a high score here, are you? Because you sure are nailing it right, left and center. (Yes, I’ve finally learned not to spell that “centre.” ;) )

    I don’t need a gun to kill somebody, I don’t need anything at all, as a matter of fact, all I need is the will and desire to kill and somebody is likely to end up dead. Taking my guns away is not going to make me any less of a danger, should I decide that somebody needs killing, but it IS going to limit MY options if I need to stop somebody from killing ME.

    Guns don’t kill people. I kill people. Er, sorry, PEOPLE kill people. I just love the other version. It makes leftist bungholes shit themselves in unholy terror, which makes the Baby Jesus smile. I actually don’t kill people, unless they give me a truly compelling reason to.

    And if I did lose my frackin’ mind and turned into a psycho goblin, there’s not a law in the land that would keep me from getting a gun if I’d decided to use one. Criminals don’t really give two fucks about laws. That’s what makes them criminals.

    Did prohibition stop drinking? I rest my case.

    Not going to ignore all of the above just because the first thing he thought about when the subject of oppression came into his mind was “police.” Maybe he had bad experiences. Maybe he grew up in a neighborhood with cops like the bumbling, incompetent, mouth-breathing fucktards of Lake County, FL.

    Who knows?

    All I know is that the po po is not the first thing to pop into my mind when I worry about tyrants. I worry a heckuva lot more about other, more distant government agencies who, unlike my very nice, courteous, professional and competent local cop shop, don’t have any ties to the community and, as a consequence, are much less likely to give two shits about how their actions are perceived by the locals.

    He got it far more right than he got it “wrong.” Let’s focus on that.

    That and keeping an eye out for horsemen on the horizon, because I honestly didn’t expect him to be a proponent for in-your-face common sense, but that just goes to show how humanity can still surprise you in a good way.
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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    I might add that he (Ice-T) came out of LA during the tenure of Chief Daryl Gates. He turned the LAPD from a law enforcement organization into a paramilitary organization. Yes yes this was during the cocaine and crack epidemic but it also gave us the Rampart scandals, Rodney King and the riots.

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    T growls and barks:

    Guns don’t kill people. I kill people. Er, sorry, …

    but only when they need killin.

    There, fixed it for ya.

    obama delenda est

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    I can’t support a general “de po po’s” de enemy meme. They are NOT. Of course there are shitbirds, just like any other organisation.

    My problem is that almost all of the otherwise good honest cops will automatically move to cover the shitbirds, just because they’re cops. In my own opinion they should be hardest on those shitballs.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    I don’t give half a fuck what color uniforms they’re wearing. Police, army, McDonald’s, United Nations…if they come to tyrannize me I’ll exercise my second amendment rights, sight picture, breath control, and trigger squeeze all at once until they turn my lights out. Or they leave me alone, whichever. Truthfully, Ice-T is more likely to be fucked with by the police than we are by the UN. It’s his perspective.

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    Bones growls and barks:

    What VonZorch said. I cannot and will not trust ANY po po until ALL of the corruption is rooted out and EVERY dirty cop is no longer on the force, the “thin blue line” no longer exists and cops are no longer, only officers of the peace remain. After that, they can re-earn my trust, till then, hell no. :em08:

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Because you sure are nailing it right, left and center. (Yes, I’ve finally learned not to spell that “centre.” ;) )

    c-e-n-t-r-e

    That IS the way it is spelled :em07:

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Considering that there are quite a few police that abuse their authority, I don’t think what he’s talking about is out of the realm of possibility.

    Quite a few?

    How many cops are out there across the land? 300,000 or so ? More? I don’t know the answer to that question and probably wont research it. However, I think that there is a problem – it’s called youtube, MSM, 24-7 ‘news’ AKA Mass media.

    Rodney King yep horrible – but it played and played and played – cop roughs up a kid in Baltimore – it’s all over the press – on youtube and people calling – demanding the cops head on a platter.

    When’s the last time you read about a cop saving someones life? Gee I wonder. And it happens daily. Too bad the good cops out there don’t get the press the bad ones get.

    This isn’t a “cop problem” this is a socital problem – a social being brought about by poor family values and a generation that was not and is not taught that there are limits to their behiavors; and should those limits be crossed there are going to be repercussions- at times those repercusions could very well land you at the wrong end of a nasty LEO bent on kicking someones ass that day.

    Look, I’m not arguing that there are “bad cops” far from it I know there are bad cops where I grew up James Trafficant was the County’s top law dog- and the rumors of corruption seem to probably have been well founded considering what he did in Congress.

    However, it’s a two way street – ‘social norms’ in this country have shifted – authority of fellow citzin to police that same society is derided and held in contempt – see OWS, etc etc, and the rot reaches all the way up to the countries leaders – but I’ll leave that argument for another day…..

    It’s MHO With that shift in ‘social norms’ comes more pressue on the Police forces especially the local ones, and yes some of those people are going to crack and lash out.

    Quite a few? Yes I just still hold out hope that anyone and “quite a few” of them that would strap on a badge and a gun every day and go into the belly of the beast in some of the worst situations any of us could imagine – are doing it out of a sense of duty to their fellow citizens.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder @ #:

    It’s not the quantity of bad cops vs good cops that upset people, it’s the complete, utter, and total lack of accountability. You can, quite literally, get away with murder if you’re a cop.

    the slightest effort with google reveals dozens of incidents -per day- involving gross misconduct by law enforcement officers. And on the accoutability end….nada.

    I’m sorry, but somewhere along the way, Law Enforcement lost my respect, and my trust. My default setting for LEOs is ‘do not trust.’.

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    LC Roguetek @ #:
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    And my rebuttal to that is simply that the “Oath Keepers” movement is comprised of many veterans – and a like number of LEO – In fact I would hazard a guess a large majority of the LEO organizations are comprised of – Veterans.

    Take it for what it is worth.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder @ #:

    And bad cops have already violated -one- oath, what’s another oath broken? Come on, that’s like saying ‘all we need is -one more gun law-, and criminals will stop using guns.’

    Sorry, but between the actions of the Worse Cops, and the -inaction- of the rest, they’re all tainted, and equally untrustworthy.

    Oh sure, there are some cops I do trust, but thats either through personal vetting, or the ones who have proven themselves, by taking action to get rid of bad cops. of course, they’re not cops anymore, so….

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    LC Roguetek @ #:
    23

    Have to agree to disagree on that point Rouge.

    My original point is and remains – I think the “good cops” vastly outnumber the “bad cops” and we are led to belive different via MSM / Social Media.

    I live in a very small place – moved away from the urban jungle now six years gone by – the county boys in blue up here are salt of the earth types – course I met many in the ‘jungles” that were too…

    But I travel long and far – months at a time – I might be out of touch now a days – I would hope not.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    You’ve never seen a cop extend ‘professional courtesy’ to another cop? really? you’ve never seen a cop abuse his authority, even a little? You must live in an incredibly sheltered place. I didn’t know Mayberry really existed.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder @ #: 24
    Actual event where I live.

    Portland police sergeant is off duty driving in Hillsboro with his child in his car. He is tailgating, other driver slows way down, and eventually pulls over to get him to pull his sorry ass around. This shitbird then pulls off the road behind, exits his car and pulls his gun! Second driver calls 911, when Washington county deputies arrive they end up letting the pig go.
    Any one else would have spent at least the night in jail and child taken by CPS. I tried to follow the aftermath and could not find any mention of charges,(pulling a gun in an on road dispute when you are not reasonably in fear of your life is specifically against the Oregon Road Rage laws) or even discipline by the Portland Police. To top it off this shitball has a history of excessive force complaints.

    That’s what we are bitching about, the presumably “good honest deputies” (spit) did not enforce the law when it was broken by another cop!!!!.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Show of hands….anybody here fuckimg perfect? Anybody here work for a perfect organization? Anybody here thinks its reasonable to expect perfection in this imperfect world? Bottom line, the good guys go out everyday and do good. They get nothing, nada, squat, zilch. No one notices. They do it day in and day out 365. And they are the majority. Along come johnny joe shitbird and the media nuke em. But do any of the detractors acknowledge the 99%?

    Just for shits and giggles….Rodney Kimg, good police use of force or example of police “brutality.” Don’t be askeerd to answer. I dare ya.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Show of hands….anybody here fuckimg perfect? Anybody here work for a perfect organization? Anybody here thinks its reasonable to expect perfection in this imperfect world? Bottom line, the good guys go out everyday and do good. They get nothing, nada, squat, zilch. No one notices. They do it day in and day out 365. And they are the majority. Along come johnny joe shitbird and the media nuke em. But do any of the detractors acknowledge the 99%?

    Again: What you said.

    I’ve said it before, and I will keep saying it until I turn blue in the face: I don’t like sweeping indictments as a rule unless they have some pretty damn good evidence to back them up, and those isolated bad cop incidents don’t. The only reason I cover them when they do happen is 1) if I didn’t, then I would be part of what I do detest, which is the brass’ refusal to mete out meaningful consequences when the fuckups happen and 2) if those incidents are put out in the light of day loudly enough, then perhaps one day we can shame those brass knuckleheads into actually disciplining their fuckups the way it’s done in any self-respecting (and deserving of respect) organization.

    But, to tell you the truth, I don’t like pulling them out because I wish they weren’t there and because I know for a fact that some people will inevitably grab that brush and paint the 99% and more who aren’t fuckups, who work 60+ hour weeks running toward the sound of trouble, who keep our neighborhoods safe, who stand in harm’s way so I don’t have to all the time, who help keep drunk shits off the roads, who load up my kids when they stay out beyond curfew and drive them home with a smile and a “have a nice night, sir”, who will stand outside my vehicle for 15 minutes in the pouring rain after having pulled me over for speeding and still more often than not just give me a warning and a courteous “sir”, who will unfailingly insert themselves in every last stupid domestic violence situation they can get to even though it’s dangerous and, in a lot of cases, the world would be a better place if both parties in the conflict would just shoot each other dead already, who will stand in the middle of rush hour traffic directing it so I don’t get my ass killed because all of the gawkers are busy fumbling for their iPhones so they can get a good picture of the carnage, who have their souls torn up on a regular basis having to be the ones to bear horrible news to loved ones, who have to watch things that nobody should have to watch just so I don’t have to be the one doing it etc. and so on and so forth.

    A lot of readers here are cops or were cops, some of my very best friends whom I’d gladly give an arm and a leg for are or were cops, the same people who not only would but have done so for me (you know who you are, those of you who read this site), so the very last thing I’d do would be to tarnish the whole profession with the misdeeds of a few.

    In fact, that’s what really, really pisses me off: The fact that the refusal of brass, not actual working cops, faceless, fat, pencil-pushing bureaucrats to punish the few rotten apples as they should be punished does turn people away from those we should at the very least respect, if not outright admire.

    And I should add to those of you who have had very real, horrendous experiences with some of the Rotten Apples that I’m not telling you to “fuggedaboutit” in the name of the greater good or some such nonsense, you never ever should because wrong IS wrong, I’m just asking you to maybe think about all of the good, decent, dutiful and courteous cops you’ve ever known and then place the blame where the blame belongs: On the wrongdoers and the fuckhead brass who refuse to discipline them.
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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    I was a cop. Also MP, for twenty years. Nobody busts more cops than cops. You usually don’t hear those stories, either, they’re not “news”. ‘So-and-so quit/retired to pursue another career/spend more time with his family, them being diurnal and all …’.

    Yes, some cops screw up, some are scumbags. Your fellow cops can’t protect you if your boss won’t tolerate your lawlessness. Ipso facto, cops can’t bust another cop if the brass won’t close the deal.

    It’s not the cops, it’s always some political power-hungry shitbird that in cheap novels gets killed in wholly satisfactory ways. Not in real life, though, yunnerstand.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Show of hands….anybody here fuckimg perfect? Anybody here work for a perfect organization? Anybody here thinks its reasonable to expect perfection in this imperfect world? Bottom line, the good guys go out everyday and do good. They get nothing, nada, squat, zilch. No one notices. They do it day in and day out 365. And they are the majority. Along come johnny joe shitbird and the media nuke em. But do any of the detractors acknowledge the 99%?

    Just for shits and giggles….Rodney King, good police use of force or example of police “brutality.” Don’t be askeerd to answer. I dare ya.

    Why yes, I am perfect. I thought that you knew that. They didn’t bust ME for shooting SS109 on the range, :em05:

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    You’ve never seen a cop extend ‘professional courtesy’ to another cop? really? you’ve never seen a cop abuse his authority, even a little? You must live in an incredibly sheltered place. I didn’t know Mayberry really existed.

    Mayberry – hardly. Maybe population size but (2800 souls) that is where any comparassion would end.

    Interestingly enough the Meth Problem here is probably as bad as anywhere in the country – think moonshine back in the day to draw a picture – although illegal stills still abound. Not many weeks go by that you don’t hear about another lab getting busted.

    The latest iteration of the Meth problem is a process called ‘shake and bake’ it doesn’t require a lab – it is litterally mixed by adding the needed parts in a 2 liter plastic bottle and shaken until mixed – they are finding these things discarded everwhere.

    Last year the largest pill distribution ring in the country was busted when they nailed some 22 some odd people in this area and another dozen or so in FL – the Oxycotin was coming up from FL thousands upon thousands of pills and being shipped off to points elswhere. It happened right in this little hamlet.

    Despite it all; So far as I know. the only cop that has been caught doing anything untoward in this area was a State Trooper who got himself mixed up with a porn Star – during an traffic stop he asked for “certain favors” – it was a bit comical to be honest – stupid beyond stupid but comical all the same – google “Barbie Cummings” The story is out there. He’s no longer a State Trooper.

    And last an in law – an Ohio State trooper got involved in an altercation at a football game in Browns stadium – got himself arressted and he tried that whole “professional courtesy thing” — it didn’t work, after the investigation he’s now no longer a OSHP member and last I heard was working constrution. He was decorated in the past, trooper of the year I think it was – but like they say it only takes one aw shit to fuck up a whole bunch of atta-boys.

    LC Terrible Troy says:

    Anybody here thinks its reasonable to expect perfection in this imperfect world? Bottom line, the good guys go out everyday and do good. They get nothing, nada, squat, zilch. No one notices. They do it day in and day out 365. And they are the majority. Along come johnny joe shitbird and the media nuke em. But do any of the detractors acknowledge the 99%?

    Exactly the point I am trying to make.

    Misha says:

    I know for a fact that some people will inevitably grab that brush and paint the 99% and more who aren’t fuckups, who work 60+ hour weeks running toward the sound of trouble, who keep our neighborhoods safe, who stand in harm’s way so I don’t have to all the time, who help keep drunk shits off the roads, who load up my kids when they stay out beyond curfew and drive them home with a smile and a “have a nice night, sir”, who will stand outside my vehicle for 15 minutes in the pouring rain after having pulled me over for speeding and still more often than not just give me a warning and a courteous “sir”, who will unfailingly insert themselves in every last stupid domestic violence situation they can get to even though it’s dangerous and, in a lot of cases, the world would be a better place if both parties in the conflict would just shoot each other dead already, who will stand in the middle of rush hour traffic directing it so I don’t get my ass killed because all of the gawkers are busy fumbling for their iPhones so they can get a good picture of the carnage, who have their souls torn up on a regular basis having to be the ones to bear horrible news to loved ones, who have to watch things that nobody should have to watch just so I don’t have to be the one doing it etc. and so on and so forth.

    Indeed.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    @ Lobo..

    I’m pretty sure I only wounded that backstop….but those sparks the rounds made on impact were kinda kewl.

    On a side note, its good to read you again Lobo. I know that the situation with your mother is challenging on many levels. You and your mom are in my prayers (along with Rouge and his wife) you guys hang in there, we are with you.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Yes, I agree (or, I at least hope) that 99% of cops are honest, trustworthy professionals. But, when you have Police organizations like LAPD and NOPD, to name only two big city police forces with well earned reputations for corruption and abuse of power, and small town police forces like Wewoka, OK with a well earned reputation for drunken rednecks wanting to enforce law on other folks, that means that the honest cops need to work even harder to earn the trust of the citizens. Then, you have incidents like Operation Greylord in Chicago catching corrupt judges. If law enforcement wants support and respect from the citizens, then they need ot be hard nosed as hell against those in their ranks who are dishonest or corrupt, and NEVER, ever extend “professional courtesy” to a law breaker in blue.