Money talks

I know that in the wake of this insanity, we mourn, we pray..and in all truth, one salient fact gets buried in the entirety.

Every place that will not allow CHL carry is a potential free fire zone with you as the target. I’d like to suggest that maybe it’s time to consider making these idiots pay.

Nothing dramatic about it, just take your business elsewhere.

A cinema won’t allow carry inside? Tell them politely that as they have this rule, and after the latest shooting, that you as a consumer do not approve or agree with their “restrictions” and that you will therefore be going to another venue. A rival. A cinema that allows carry. Be civil and courteous but firm. Tell your friends and family as well, and where there is agreement, avoid that place of business.

A cafe or restaurant that tells customers they must disarm? Politely tell them thank you, but as they will not allow you to exercise your legal rights as a CHL holder, you wish them well and tell them, you are going to another cafe or business that does not restrict your right to carry.

At work and a friend suggests going out to a venue, tell them that the place restricts your legal right to carry, and that you choose not to be disarmed.

If you want to hit that business even harder, mention to any that will listen that said business discriminates against legal CHL citizens. Liberals looove that word.

Your rights.

Your money.

Exercise your right as a consumer and walk away.

With any luck, some of them will be stung enough to get the message.

Over to you.

27 comments

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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Remember to start to punch back:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat=ABC%20News%20Other

    “I was horrified to learn that Brian Ross wrongly accused an innocent man of mass murder today. Now he is fearing for the lives of his family! Your irresponsibility has placed the life of an innocent person in danger! I want you to know that not only will be be boycotting ABC, Radio Channels that carry ABC news, but we are also going to be canceling cable to be rid of Disney and ESPN. We will make it very clear to our local cable provider and Radio station why we are doing so.”

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Quite, Brendan, and I’ve been following that philosophy for quite some time.

    Thankfully, it’s fairly easy to follow that rule in Texas, as there are very few automatic “no-no” zones with no obvious signage required, such as

    2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
    (3) on the premises of a correctional facility;

    Other than those, the burden is upon the property in question to put up clear signs formatted by the rules of section 30.06 of the Texas Penal Code (and yes, we do chuckle a lot about it being section 30.06), which provided very strict guidelines for the signs along the lines of size, size of font and availability in English and Spanish.

    (A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
    (B) a sign posted on the property that:
    (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
    (ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
    (iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

    And this has to be displayed clearly and conspicuously at any and all entrances to the facility meaning, for practical purposes, right slap dap up in your face on the door so you cannot reasonably claim that you missed it walking in.

    If not, then you’re not in any sort of legal trouble, should you legally carry inside. All of the poorly written in crayon “no guns allowed inside” that you may have seen around town are meaningless unless you choose to honor them. The property owner has, of course, the same rights as any other property owner to point out to you, if he notices that you’re carrying in spite of his artful depiction of a generic handgun with a cross over it, that you are not welcome on the premises with a concealed weapon, and which point it behooves you to leave the premises politely or, at this point, you will be trespassing criminally.

    But if you follow his polite request that you leave the premises, then you’ve done nothing wrong and you can then decide to never ever patronize his establishment again.

    I actually had one of those situations where I was in a jewelry shop which, as I found out later, had a wildly misguiding, poorly placed, miniature sticker stating that it was somehow illegal to carry a weapon in a jewelry store, which it isn’t unless the store owner puts up a 30.06 compliant sign, which he hadn’t.

    Now, this being Texas, one of the good old boys in the shop immediately spotted the bulge under my jacket and asked me if I was carrying, to which I replied “yes sir”, expecting perhaps an outraged “get out of my shop” in return, which I would of course have honored without the slightest complaint. His property, he gets to throw anybody out that he feels like throwing out.

    Except he didn’t. He just smiled and we got to talking about guns while we did our business. One of his other customers even got involved to ask me for advice on which gun to go for himself. Ahhh… Texas. Which was good for all parties involved. I thoroughly enjoyed his business and have been back several times since, armed as I usually am. I suspect the “sign” in the window merely serves to sort the morons who don’t know better from those who do.

    But had he reacted differently, I would have vacated the premises peaceably, of course, it’s still his shop, I just would never have come back to do business with him again.

    As far as Cinemark goes, I haven’t been to one of their multiplexes in ages. With the hustle and bustle, ridiculous ticket and concession prices compared to blowing the movie up in glorious 50″ plasma at home, there’s just not that much of a win involved in spending a week’s worth of Fun Budget on sharing a smelly auditorium with screaming babies, idiots who would need surgical procedures to be removed from their iPhones and lack of ability to freeze, rewind etc.

    But if we were to go watch a movie there and if we did find a prominently placed 30.06 sign in the door, then we’d just turn right around and go home again. Our screen may not be as big as theirs, but our sound certainly is every bit as good, and we don’t have to render ourselves defenseless and destitute in order to enjoy the movie.

    Money talks, indeed. If theatres insist on turning themselves into free-fire zones, then so be it. I won’t be gambling with my family’s lives in order to promote their sheeple philosophy while, at the same time, paying more by an order of magnitude for the privilege of watching the movie.

    I should add, because it’s funny, that I had a similar experience at a Chuck-e-Cheese’s. We and some friends of ours had brought the little runts there for some fun and games and yes, I did notice a childish crayon drawing in the size of a Post-It note with a crossed-out gun on it. Which, being a Texan knowing about our penal code, I promptly ignored as well I should.

    Somebody we ran into that afternoon noticed that I wasn’t running around nekkid and were, at first, mildly shocked that I would introduce such a thing at a venue as harmless as that one. One with nobody but defenseless children and their parents about.

    I smiled and said “that’s exactly why I felt I needed it. It would be a perfect target for a scumbag.”

    I won a couple of converts that day :)
    Emperor Misha I recently posted..Money talksMy Profile

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    I am in total agreement. No Guns? No money.
    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician recently posted..Get Ready – the Gun Control Fanatics are Crawling out of their CavesMy Profile

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    onesmack4u growls and barks:

    In Alabama I have yet to see a no firearms sign on anything but a courthouse, post office, or govt building.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Yer Majesty, I agree, we should make them pay. Your idea is a good start, but that would be as pin pricks to a rhinoceros. What will really get the attention of the corporate owners of places like the theater chain, etc., would be a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the corporation because they did not provide adequate security to protect their clientele after their no weapons policy prevented said clientele from being able to protect themselves. Each of the survivors needs to individually file suit, as well as each of the families of the dead. Do not file as a class action suit. Once one corporation is bled into bankruptcy, the other corporations will take notice, and either remove the Victims Here stickers, or provide adequate armed security to stop another such incident.

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    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    In Alabama I have yet to see a no firearms sign on anything but a courthouse, post office, or govt building.

    Pursuant (mheh) to that to which Misha was referring, we have certain government buildings within the friendly (cough) confines of the bustling metropolis known as Dall-ass, where the aforementioned sign is prominently displayed, with the one-inch-high-in-contrasting-colors letters.

    In English only.

    And the way things are going, we’re getting to a point where carrying will be a necessity, company policy/etc. or no. I already tote the Cannon™ (i.e. the Springfield 1911) in Excelsior whereever I go. At some point not too long hence, the Insurance Policy™ (i.e. the Bersa Thunder 380cc) & I will become inseparable.

    And even then, it will have been long overdue.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Yer Majesty, I agree, we should make them pay. Your idea is a good start, but that would be as pin pricks to a rhinoceros.

    Dear Ogrre thanks for the promotion but it was my idea, not Misha’s..mind you, the title Emperor sounds attractive, and we haven’t had a good Palace coup since the Empress made His Lordship sleep on the couch so…hmmmmm…………. :em01: :em05:

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Brendan, do not set your hopes too high. Perhaps the reason for BC’s extended absence from these pages is because he is not yet finished with the last would-be usurper. I don’t think Misha sets too much store with the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. From what I gather, the Sith Lords believe the more cruel and unusual, the more effective … at least for those who can be rehabilitated.
    Yer Majesty, is there any chance we get to see even a still photo of the quivering, crying, whimpering mass currently in BC’s custody?

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    “but as they will not allow you to exercise your legal rights as a CHL holder”

    It’s not just that they are restricting your rights as a CHL holder, they are restricting your absolute right under the Second Amendment. Granted, that right has – with nearly universal compliance from the citizenry – been reduced to a privilege, but still….it is, at least technically, a right.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    It’s not just that they are restricting your rights as a CHL holder, they are restricting your absolute right under the Second Amendment. Granted, that right has – with nearly universal compliance from the citizenry – been reduced to a privilege, but still….it is, at least technically, a right.

    Nowhere in the Constitution does it give you the right to walk onto my property armed. Though I generally go the other way and refuse entry to those that are UNARMED.

    Brendan….. I’ve been doing this for a while though I havn’t taken the time to let the management/ownership know why. Something I will rectify this week.

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Sorry to turn this shot in to a squib, but the tactic won’t be effective. Theaters don’t make any money selling tickets. They earn no more than the distributors allow which barely keeps the doors open. The concessions and amusements are where the exhibitor has the only chance to make his margin. We now have a third screen here which is strictly over 21 with a full liquor license and seat side service. I wasn’t interested in seeing this film as I attend very few at the warehouses of cinesewage. But I’ll go this time on gen-prin.

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    LC Darth Scoundrel growls and barks:

    Unfortunately in NC it is agin’ the law to carry anywhere that charges admission or that sells alky-haul for consumption on the premises. That means no movies and no restaurants that sell beer or wine.

    We tried to get the restaurant carry passed this year but the weaselly spineless worms in the legislature derailed the bill into committee to let it die. Kind of like what’s gonna happen to their careers…
    LC Darth Scoundrel recently posted..*%&$!!!My Profile

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan @ #:

    Nowhere in the Constitution does it give you the right to walk onto my property armed.

    Actually, as written, the Second Amendment bars any limitations, by anyone. The language is clear that no infringement on the right to keep and bear arms is permitted. Unlike some other Amendments, there is no language limiting the potential infringers to Congress. Courts have since interpreted it as only applying to Congress, and even then, not quite as absolutely as the language really reads.

    As far as walking on your property, armed or not, that is covered by local trespass laws – the Constitution does not really deal with rights of access to private property. But if someone choses to walk down a public sidewalk in front of your house with a fully loaded MG-42, there is no Constitutionally-justified legal basis for stopping them from doing so.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Darth Venomous @ #:

    At some point not too long hence, the Insurance Policy™ (i.e. the Bersa Thunder 380cc) & I will become inseparable.

    How do you like the Bersa? I keep toying with the idea of getting one, as I usually hear good things about them.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    As far as walking on your property, armed or not, that is covered by local trespass laws – the Constitution does not really deal with rights of access to private property. But if someone choses to walk down a public sidewalk in front of your house with a fully loaded MG-42, there is no Constitutionally-justified legal basis for stopping them from doing so.

    If you walk by my house with an MG-42 you ARE stopping! If only so we can hit the range and put it though it’s paces!

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    LC Mike in Chi growls and barks:

    Here in Rahmboland I carry three days a week; you can guess which days. I do not draw interest with po-po or act out in public.
    It’s like Kabul here on the South and Near-North sides. Not all drivers are showing much courtesy, all our inner-city routes go through these trouble areas.
    On a sadder note, we got off easy:
    Japan’s sub-way
    Spain’s train
    Beslan school
    Moscow theater
    Bali resort
    Israel—you pick
    I fear this is a green-light for a few rebels, with causes.

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    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    How do you like the Bersa? I keep toying with the idea of getting one, as I usually hear good things about them.

    The main things that I like about the Bersa are: 1) it fits well in my (relatively) small hand, and 2) I can put one in my pocket and no one knows it’s there – no bulge, nothing. No one’s ever seen it and asked me if I’m carrying.

    OTOH, I kinda wish there were a .45 I could do that with…

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    AyUaxe growls and barks:

    Want to hear more about the Bersa Thunder .45–seriously considering it, but wondering about build quality/reliability/accuracy. Have a compact 1911, so comparison would be meaningful.

    Now, back to the main thread–places that tell you they don’t want you to defend yourself or others on their premises, but make no provision to defend you or others. F them very much. They are free to ask me to leave or even call the cops and have me removed for trespassing IF they catch me carrying my legal, CONCEALED personal protection module on their property. Otherwise, I’ll do exactly what I want and the law allows. And by law, I mean the Constitutional law, including 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments. Unconstitutional laws are made to be challenged.

    I don’t know if there’s anything I could’ve done in the dark, pandemonium of the Aurora theater, but I’ve run through that kind of scenario a little in training and a lot in considering what options I’d have in places I and my family frequent. I look for exits, possible cover, think about where the bad guys might be. If you pay any attention to how many incidents occur at restaurants and such, you’d be crazy not to. I think/hope I’d make a positive difference, if nothing else getting others to crawl out behind/under cover. A .45 acp round or two to the chest of an untrained coward, even with body armor, should’ve bought everyone quite a bit of time, even if it didn’t stop him permanently.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    I very rarely leave home without my Makarov. I had to travel by air recently, felt naked the whole trip.

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    S.E.P. growls and barks:

    While I appreciate the sentiment, I am nonplussed by the proposal. Boycotts don’t work. For many like me in smaller communities (standing population city & county wide about 20k) it would constitute removal of nose from spiteful face.

    As a die-hard ‘wait for the dvd’ kinda guy, I don’t go to the movies. But let’s say my local hardware store decides it’s best that I be a target. The closest alternative in my environs is 40 rural miles away. A pain in the ass during the best of times; multiplied tenfold 5 months out of the year up here at 6700 feet above sea level.

    The most significant initials in CHL or CCW are the first in each: Concealed. I’ve yet to hear of a business patting down its patrons, so concealed works for me.

    If you see a “no guns” sign posted at a private business, it’s useful to know whether or not it has the force of law. Here in Colorado, it doesn’t. You coulda knocked me over with feather after Misha’s disclosure that in Texas, it does.

    In any event, this website is an excellent resource to learn what’s what from state to state.

    Incidentally – let’s say you reside in a state where ‘no gun’ signage has the force of law. For some boneheaded reason, your weapon is seen by a business owner who objects and who then calls the cops. Make sure the premises is posted in compliance with the applicable statute. If it isn’t, bust out the cell phone & take a pic before Johnny Law arrives; enabling you to demonstrate that the hastily scribbled Magic Marker sign wasn’t there when you entered.

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    Darth Venomous growls and barks:


    Bersa Thunder 45 Ultra Compact Pro

    :em01:

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    S.E.P. growls and barks:

    Wheelgunner, myself. Currently drooling over the Chiappa Rhino in .357. Used to think it was ugly, but now believe she’s a handsome broad. The barrel’s alignment with the bottom cylinder results in significantly less recoil & muzzle flip than my Colt Cobra in .38 Special.

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    S.E.P. growls and barks:

    VonZorch:

    I bought my Mak in the early 90s after the wall came down & the Eastern bloc countries flooded the market. $145, including holster, extra clip, and cleaning rod. I now wish I had bought a couple more, back then.

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    bruce growls and barks:

    i don’t give a crap what some sign says because i always carry a gun and it ismy life and the life of my loved ones that i care about rather than some ass hole sign.i worked for the post office for 25 yrs and carried every day i worked there.no one ever knew!i heard that a black man who had a ccw left his gun at home because i was a thearter,how long do you think he will be second guessing him self?

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    As a former LE firearms instructor I submit that if recoil control is a issue with the calibre one is shooting then one should work on grip strength, shouldler strength and good body mechanics. It is one thing to manage the gun and letting it “work” vs fighting with it to get it on target after firing the first round. In order to be truly competent and effective, the armed citizen must have a gun that “fits” the owner correctly and the owner must be physicaly capable of being the master of the gun. If you have a 100lb german shepard and you task a 6 yr old to walk the dog, who is walking who?

    From a philosphical perspective regarding “knockdown” power I start from the premise that instant incapacitation is a rarity in the majority of incidents involving handguns. The next premise is that in the majority of incidents, placing a round on the targets immediatly illicits the flight response from the impacted subject. I give you the recent video of the guy in the internet cafe who used a 380. Ultimately, I want to use the largest calibre that I can consistently control under stress. This why I subscribe to the philosophy that the best gun / calibre is the one that goes bang when you want it to go bang. If I place a .22 in your brain housing group you will have very bad day. If I do it multiple times you will not survive the encounter.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy @ #: 26
    I agree, my take is: the best gun is the one you have with you when you need to shoot.
    And for those adherents to immature artillery, the small calibre gun, with light recoil, is the most useful gun you can own, for with this gun you can make new shooters.