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This is Why Some Atheists Ought to be Publicly Caned
But at least Tom Flynn of the Center for Secular Humanism cut to the core of the real issue facing the nation after the Aurora shootings, namely the utter impropriety of the president to offer his prayers to the victims and their loved ones.
“Even in a situation like this, [when] he leads a public prayer to a deity that it pretty recognizably the Christian God, much as you can understand the emotional context of it, he’s still sending to some degree a message of exclusion to other religions who don’t call their god “Lord” and to non-religious Americans.”
“By the very act of praying, that’s a message of exclusion,” he continued.
No need, dear atheist LCs of the Empire, to point out that you’re not like that. We already know that full well. Retardarian Jackwagons like Tom Flynn are to normal, sane atheists what the inbred Phelps cult members of the Westboro Baptist Church are to normal, sane Christians everywhere, and that bears pointing out as it is always, always the Jackwagons that get the media spotlight.
He goes on to note:
“If I’m a public official, I think I’m going to look around in the morning and conclude that, ‘hey, this religion thing is just too hot to handle, I should stay away from it in my official capacity.’”
You’d like that, wouldn’t you, you fascist fuckweasel of the very first water? For people’s personal beliefs to be “too hot to handle” so they dare not speak about them in public, unlike your personal non-belief, which obviously needs to be shouted from the rooftops every moment of every day.
It’s freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion, you squealing, worthless, wannabe jackbooted fascist, and if you really, truly believe that people like His Imperial Majesty need to be shut up and kept from exercising that right in public, then we have only two words for you:
Make us!
And a third one: PLEASE!
On a side note, we really can’t believe that there are life forms so far below single-celled ones that they’d be able to make us side with SCoaMF on anything, but there you have it.
Thatisall.
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I’m glad you cleared that up, dear Emperor – I thought that the Westborough pastor’s name was Phelch, not Phelps.
Thank you, Sire, for setting me upon the path of Righteousness.
Oh yeah – FOIST!
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allow me to point out that atheism is just another religious belief, and, as such, they have no more right to advance their dogma through the public sphere than any other religion.
religious nutters of all stripes need to be drowned in a large vat of STFU so the rest of us can get on with our lives in peace…
but that’s just me. YMMV.
Every time I hear one of these Christophobes get up on their soapbox and belch out another tedious screed I can faintly yet distinctly hear the words “NOTICE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!”
redc1c4 says:
No, most of us consider it the LACK of religion. It doesn’t mean you can’t be spiritual, or have a sense of something bigger than yourself, just not one that is so defined as to have a manifest, special rituals, and a desire to tell other people how they should live according to your religion. I have yet to hear of atheists start wars and claim they have their god on their side.
Now does that mean there aren’t those people who get so offended by the mere mention of someone else’s belief? Sure. Some are even atheists, but there are many Christians who get downright apoplectic over the thought of a Mosque being built in their neighborhood, or a Muslim holding a position in power somewhere.
That said, Tom Flynn really needs to sit down and quit being so fucking offended over a public official offering up a prayer according to his religion — and presumably the religion of many of the victims and their families involved. This ISN’T about Tom Flynn, and it isn’t about a government promoting any specific religion.
I certainly am not offended by any religious prayer, event or ceremony concerning this, the government, or anyone who wishes to bow their heads in a prayer.
For the record, I think that both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama acted like the adults in the room in the way they have handled this so far.
As I said on my Facebook page early this morning, this is NOT the time to be blaming people, speculating on motivations and trying to score political points. This is a tragedy, brought on by one obviously disturbed individual. I don’t see this as a rallying point to call for gun control, or blame atheists (as Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-TX) tried to do this morning) or Tea Partiers (as a couple of Liberals tried to do this morning on the radio) This is the time to mourn for the victims and that’s it.
We are going to be bombarded all weekend with the InfoTainment News organizations with their special reports and pontificating of “experts” that typically ooze out of the sewers whenever we have one of these events. I am planning on staying away from being exposed to any more of that bullshit — because it really is just that, bullshit.
I think I will just put the finishing touches on my brand, spanking new HTML5 jukebox (that will play on all browsers and platforms) and ignore the rest of the shiite. I know all I need to know:
1. One fucknozzle killed a bunch of people in a theater and injured many more.
2. Police have him in custody.
3. He most likely would have done this awful thing with or without gun control
4. It’s only been 15 years since the last execution in Colorado. Time to have another one.
Other than that? I don’t need to know any more. Dwelling on it or feeding the nuts who swarm to these things like so many moths on a light bulb isn’t doing me or anyone else any good.
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I agree with Deej: both Gov. Romney and President Obama have managed this with class.
As to the whole atheism as religion debate…it clearly is a religion in my humble opinion.
Deity, check.
Sacred texts, check.
Dogma accepted as part of its adherence, check.
I’m not trying to force anyone into anything…just expressing an opinion.
-Jim+
FrJim, Imperial Chaplain says:
Okay, I am confused. Deity? WHAT deity? The very word, “atheist” means non-theist. Anyone who has some kind of “deity” and calling themselves an “atheist” is doing it wrong. Much like an asexual having sex.
Sacred texts?
Dogma? Most atheists I know don’t adhere to anything. It is like herding cats. Some might be “outspoken” about their disbelief about a god to the point of not wanting to be exposed to someone else’s belief, but they are a distinct minority of those who don’t have any religious beliefs. For that is exactly what a true atheist is — a person with NO religious beliefs.
Like I said, anyone who calls themselves an atheist and practices a religion — is doing it wrong.
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DJ Allyn @ #4:
Seconded, barring one nitpick…
No.
A tragedy was the earthquake and ensuing tsunami that devastated Japan.
A tragedy is the wildfires that continue to destroy lives and neighborhoods in the Western U.S.
A tragedy is the continuing heatwave and drought in the midwest that has thus far claimed more than several dozen lives.
This was a massacre. A slaughter. A decimation of people who chose to gather at a public place for the purpose of seeing the latest entertaining blockbuster flick in their neighborhood by a vomitus, two-legged maggot that was shat out of a jackal’s ass twenty four years ago. The fucking damnable demonic slime that annihilated a theater full of strangers hasn’t a reason or even an pathetic bullshit excuse for doing so or a reason to continue sucking up air that could be better utilized by a swarm of Tiger Mosquitos.
The real tragedy is that someone in the audience couldn’t intercept this foul slag, snatch his shotgun out of his hands, bend the sorry virus masquerading with a human face over a theater seat, jam that shotgun up the shitbags’ ass sideways and discharge the weapon until the vermin resembled a piece of shitstained cheesecloth.
I don’t have a snappy conclusion to this rant so I hope that all of the people who see this so-called “tragedy” realize that there are evils on this world so vile and pernicious that a death penalty sentence is a necessary symbolic gesture to stand against this kind of unspeakable and all too common horror.
Christopher Nolan says it far better than I ever could.
I’ll pray for you, Mr Flynn.
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The name Tom Flynn triggered a memory…sure enough, this is the same screw-head who got his Jockey’s in a knot about Tom Vilsack saying he was praying for rain – http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/atheists-obama-administration-out-of-line-to-pray
LC Gunsniper @ #7:
I dunno. A drunk driver slamming into a minivan killing twelve people versus a guy going into a theater and shooting those same people? The end result is the same. If I were the victim, I don’t think I could see the distinction. Both are avoidable, both were part of a decision.
But I will accept your descriptions only because they are also accurate.
The sad thing is, this won’t be the last one — there will always be another fucknozzle out there, and NO amount of preventive planning, NO amount of preparing and NO amount of preemptive laws will stop it. Gun control won’t do it, arming everyone won’t do it — there will always be that fucknozzle.
And each time it happens, the same people will come out blaming this, that, and everything. They will call for gun control, or NO control. They will try and politicize it, and blame the parents, the school, society, atheists and the gays. They will NEVER get the idea that there just are some people who are … evil, and will sometimes hide in plain sight and take everyone by surprise when we least expect it.
There doesn’t have to be a rhyme or reason for it — and frankly I am not interested in either. Maybe one thing we may all agree on eventually is that whenever we are faced with these types of people after they’ve done something as horrific as this, that we simply put them down quickly and without ceremony.
Lady H says:
Why bother? Does it make YOU feel better? If so, carry on.
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It’s a pretty insecure atheist that gets his panties in a wad over a public prayer. Me, I just figure the person is expressing his concern in the most sincere way he knows how.
My disbelief in the matter is immaterial.
And I’m sick of these shootings where there is not one round of return fire or one sheeple trying to take the slimebucket down by any means necessary. The shitbag was all weaponed-up and armored-out, but surrendered to the first armed person he saw.
From your perspective, I’d agree. However (because I tire easily of the overused conjunction “but”)…
A drunk driver didn’t start out its day or night planing to reduce its ultimate victims to a gooey red paste across a quarter mile [minimum] of highway, railroad, cliff/canal/ditch or construction zone. The drunk driver didn’t target its victims down a combination of a post and hoop or laser spot while tossing smoke grenades to confuse its victims trying to escape , and a drunk driver certainly didn’t carry reloads of twelve ounce, sixteen ounce, proper pints, shots, double shots, two fingers worth plus an ice cube or neat to maim an slaughter additional victims.
A drunk driver is far more likely to suffer eternal guilt and morose for its actions and thereof, than the Colorado shitstain in question. A drunk driver is far more likely to truly pay for its crimes.
Shitstain made a willful choice from the start to create its carnage and the world is poorer for it twelve times over. Shitstain can’t suffer enough in this world to satisfy any reasonable sense of justice and balance any imaginary scales.
Shitstain is an example of why the Death Penalty is a just and true form of punishment.
Just my opinion though.
LC Gunsniper says:
Okay, you are now officially scaring me. I agree.
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And aren’t you ashamed.
Most atheists PRAY at the altar of secularism. These are the people (like you) that want to burn every bible on the face of the earth.
Just because you say atheism is not a religion does not make it so.
Obviously you have never heard of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim Ill Jung, Castro and others.
lc purple raider @ #:
Most atheists just want to be left alone. A few, like the jackass in question, just seem to want attention. This is similar to certain “reverends” that we all know. Atheism is not a religion. I personally don’t care what someone else believes unless they try to beat me over my head with it. If you get comfort from the fact that god came to earth and let himself be killed, so that he could forgive us for doing things that he does not like, so be it, but don’t act like I am a lesser creature for not believing and e xpect me not to respond.
Everyone has the right to believe what they wish, but no one has the right to have their beliefs respected or their feelings spared. I am personally fine with religious statements made by elected officials although being politicians I kind of doubt their sincerity and even if I believed in the existance of a soul I would consider it unlikely that anyone politically astute enough to get elected president has one.
lc purple raider says:
Not in the least. Why should I be?
lc purple raider says:
We do? And there is? Funny, but we kinda revel in the idea that we don’t have an altar and we don’t waste our time praying because we don’t believe there is anything to pray to.
lc purple raider says:
Naw. Just because I have no use for it doesn’t mean that others might. There are a LOT of books out there that I either don’t like or have never read — nor intend to read. For example, I don’t ever see a time when I will ever curl up with a good romance novel, but I certainly wouldn’t deprive someone else of their pleasure.
Read a Bible, a Talmud, a Koran. I do have all three, ya know. Among several other religious tomes. They are fascinating to read sometimes. But if you ask if I believe in the spirituality of them? I would have to tell you no.
But burn them? Look, the ONLY book I feel warrants a good burning are the endless telephone books that get delivered to my door. I mean, what the fuck?! I don’t want the damn things! Here in Seattle, we tried to get an ordinance passed about having the damn things delivered when we didn’t want them. The fucking phone book publishers tried to claim their books was a form of “free speech”.
But I digress…
lc purple raider says:
Just because you say atheism IS a religion does not make it so. There, fixed it for you.
Here is the dealio, Purp, unlike those who actually practice a religion, I don’t think about NOT practicing one. I don’t even THINK about a god, or a higher being, or the lack thereof. I don’t meet with other non-believers, hell, I don’t even ask anyone if they believe or not. I don’t go door-to-door to tell people of the wonders of NOT believing.
I guess my “religion” is so low maintenance that I don’t have to think or do anything. It just IS. (or IS NOT).
But sure, there ARE some people who are militantly non-believers — which makes abso-fuckinglutely zero sense to me. These aren’t the average non-believer and I suspect that they have more of an agenda than the idea that they don’t believe. I suspect that their agenda has more to do with being noticed than the idea that they are atheist. Perhaps they are starved for attention.
But most of us who don’t believe in the organized religions of the world aren’t glory hounds. For example, I might tell you that I don’t believe in all that stuff, but I am not wearing it blazoned across my shirts. In fact, I have spent more time talking about it here in this comment than I have been thinking about it for the past six months or so.
I do sometimes respond when I feel someone tries to use a religious argument against me — and why not? It has then become fair game.
For the most part, I respect people for their personal beliefs. I am constantly being attacked because I will equally defend a Muslim person for their beliefs as much as I will defend a Christian or a Jew. It doesn’t mean that I believe in THEIR beliefs, it’s just that I would expect others to accept the fact that I choose NOT to believe.
And for the record, I am not exactly and atheist either. Agnostic is probably a little closer, but my idea is that there probably IS a higher order out there somewhere, but it certainly isn’t anything that ANY of us have the capability of wrapping our minds around in our current incarnation. It certainly isn’t the deity we are taught about in the various organized religions, and whatever it is, probably doesn’t have any idea or thought of our individuality.
The ONE thing that each and every one of us can agree on is that come the inevitable day we die, we will probably find out in that last nano-second…
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lc purple raider says:
Uh, Hitler was a Christian. A Catholic, actually. But I doubt most Catholics would claim him. It still doesn’t detract from the fact that he did have a belief in Jesus Christ — at least on some level.
Castro was raised a Catholic, and while he denounced the Catholic Church in the 1960s he has since been gravitating towards it in his sunset years — much like many lapsed Catholics.
The others? Who cares?
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DJ Allen sezs:
Hmmn. Not very tolerant, are you?
Secular humanism. Banning prayers in government owned schools. Making sure not even a tree is on the city square at Christmas.
Seems sounds like a religion.
blockquote>Uh, Hitler was a Christian.
Like hell he was. Hitler was raised Jewish. It was pretty well spelled out in book after book.
Catholic, Hitler? Please.
Pull the other one
Athiests believe there is no god.
Christians believe there is one.
Both of them -believe- in something, without proof. And before you get started, you can no more prove the non-existance of god than you can his existance.
Both have texts they consider sacred.
Both have gatherings to prostletize their beliefs.
I’m sorry, but what, exactly, is the difference?
lc purple raider says:
Sure I am. But in context (which is usually a trait most Conservatives I know don’t seem to have) that statement was in response to the silly bullshit about building a Mosque near Ground Zero. Whenever I hear one religious wanting to deny another religious group of something, I feel they need to be treated like the children they are acting like — and take away ALL of their toys.
My response in that comment was just as extreme as the hysterics generated over the building of that Mosque.
lc purple raider says:
That is more of a Constitutional thing. You know, the part about where government isn’t supposed to establish or promote a religion? There is a logical reason for this. If you had been a Jewish kid going to school in the 1950s like I did, you would understand it.
lc purple raider says:
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It is a matter of degrees.
LC Roguetek says:
It is the absence of that proof that makes us NOT believe. Plain and simple, the lack of proof of a god means there is no evidence of one. Therefore, there isn’t one.
LC Roguetek says:
And what “sacred” text do atheists have?
LC Roguetek says:
We do? I must be a lapsed atheist then, because I have never attended a “gathering” to prostletize or do anything else for that matter. I have never had people knock on my door to invite atheism into my heart. I’ve never had someone tell me that you are NOT going to hell if you don’t change your ways.
The funny thing is, the ONLY people who try to convince me that atheism is a “religion” are people who aren’t atheists.
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Most of you, and about 99% of those who identify themselves as atheists, confuse being atheist with having a secular religion like Communism, Socialism, Environmentalism, or some other irrational belief system that relieves them of the responsibility of actually thinking for themselves, without having a supernatural supreme being.
Fixed it for ya.
VonZorch Imperial Researcher @ #24:
THAT one just gave me a headache.
It isn’t enough to say that an atheist simply doesn’t have a theistic belief? Or practices some form of theism?
Simply put, I don’t have a belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world. That’s it. I don’t worship my lack of belief, I don’t substitute it with communism/socialism/humanism or any other -ism. I don’t tell anyone else that they need to NOT believe in whatever it is they believe in — with the exception of someone trying to convince ME that their way is the RIGHT way and that as an atheist I am somehow immoral, or inferior, and going to hell in a hand basket.
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I believe that the definitive book on the subject of Hitler is “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.”
The author described HItler as an Austrian Jew.
Thanks for playing.
DJ Allyn @ #: 25
Right, actual atheism, as opposed to worship of for instance the Holy State. In my own case no one has yet convinced me of the existence of any god or gods. If they wish to believe in them fine, just don’t tell me I have to or there’s gonna be trouble.
Tolerance is not necessarily a virtue.
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