Tripling Down on Stupid

One of the many Ogabe Propaganda Outlets, Thinkprogress, are now claiming that not only is ObamaTaxCare not a tax (which would mean that the Supreme Court would have had to strike it down, according to their own decision), it’s a tax cut!

And up is down, freedom is slavery, victory is defeat and leftists are human beings that oughtn’t be summarily shot.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Keep Fluking that chicken, leftist swine. Give us a chuckle while we’re executing every last motherfucking one of you.

Compassionately, of course.

Hey, don’t be all upset now. Think of how your overdue extermination will affect your carbon footprint. Close your eyes and think of Gaia. Racists!

Thatisall.

57 comments

  1. 1
    Physics Geek growls and barks:

    Misha,

    Normally I’d be laughing, too, but the average voter is dumber than a bag of hammers and less informed to boot. A lot of people watching the MFM network evening “news” will probably believe this. I know that my lefty friends do. They do seem to get irritated when I tell them the sun also rises in the west.
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  2. 2
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    If ObamaCare is not a tax, in spite of the SCOTUS ruling that says this is the only interpretation that will stand, then someone please explain why the legislation calls for the creation of sixteen thousand (!) new positions at the IRS.

    Physics Geek is correct. The only plausible reason why the Obama administration continues to insist on their position in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is that they know their supporters are complete idiots. There can be no other explanation.

    As Tacitus once said, “crime once exposed has no refuge but audacity”, and if that does not sum up this President, there are no words.

  3. 3
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    And I suppose:

    .9% raise in SSI

    The Medical Device Tax increase at 2.3 %

    The new cap on FSA at 2500.00 which limits the money you can put aside leaving the rest of your income subject to TAX -

    The 2.5 % increase for the thresoholds for deductible medical expenses from 7500 – to 10,000.00 before you can write it off on your 1040.

    The increase on investment income taking Top capital gains rate to 23.8 percent and top dividend rate to 43.4 percent. Kiss your portfolio goodbye, that is if it’s made any progress what so ever since the Braying Jackass in Charge – Obama took over.

    Theser are not “taxes” but “tax” cuts as well ?

    BTW those little gems listed above happen in 6 months, after the election of course- because the braying jackass parrty knows all too well how fucking stupid the American Idol watchers are – no smarter than frogs in a pot.

  4. 4
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Keep Fluking that chicken, leftist swine. Give us a chuckle while we’re executing every last motherfucking one of you.

    Are you coming up here to execute me? Or should I just get into the box car and come to you?

    Wow.
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  5. 5
    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    Paying more is less!!!! Gotta love the Leftards while you are shooting them in the liver and watching them die the miserable death they are wishing on the proles.

  6. 6
    LCSgtmech growls and barks:

    I think CiSSnarl5.7 effectively put to rest any reasonable and logical attempt at defending this worthless piece of legislation. Now the only thing they have left is screaming, kicking, biting and talking about their “feewings” to try and shove this crap down our throats. You just can’t get around the truth anymore, they are going to tax the SHIT out of everyone…

  7. 7
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    And in other news from the wonderful world of Unicorn farts and Skeetle turds we have this:

    June Job Creation at 80,000; Rate Holds Steady at 8.2%

    With ObongoCare getting the “ALL AHEAD FLANK” from Roberts (I still hold the belief that Obongo has something on him) there will be NO JOBS until November and only if, a big fucking if, we get both the House AND 60+ seats in the Senate. If not then it won’t matter if Krusty the Clown is sitting the Oval Office because nothing, NOTHING will get done. No repeal, no extention of the Bush tax cuts, no relief whatsoever because all business and corporations will do is just dig their bunkers even deeper.

  8. 8
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Light29ID says:

    June Job Creation at 80,000; Rate Holds Steady at 8.2%

    But it is STILL a job GROWTH. Could it be better? Of course — we KNOW how to get out of a recession, it’s just that when you have the Republican leadership in Congress whose ONLY stated goal is to do everything it can to make sure Obama is a one term president, then don’t expect anything to get better any time soon.

    You can bet your ass that if Romney becomes president, those very same Republicans will be immediately opening the floodgates to spend money to get out of the recession.

    Yeah, I know the mantra here — “you can’t spend money!”

    Of course you can — and they will. Even if Obama is re-elected, they will this time. It is exactly how we’ve always gotten out of these economic messes. Time and time again.

    And if you think that Republicans aren’t going to continue the Bush tax cuts, you will be awful disappointed. Apoplectic, most likely.
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  9. 9
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    DJ Allyn recently posted..Pretzel Logic…

    I must say I like me a little irony from time to time.

    I’m sure that this President, with this administration, using these policies, will get much better results in years five, six and seven, if we would only let him.

    This isn’t just poor performance. This is “picked last for dodgeball in gym class every time” bad. The only thing that could get this man re-elected on this record is if the reservoir of stupid in this country exceeds the 2008 high water mark.

  10. 10
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    But it is STILL a job GROWTH. Could it be better? Of course — we KNOW how to get out of a recession, it’s just that when you have the Republican leadership in Congress whose ONLY stated goal is to do everything it can to make sure Obama is a one term president, then don’t expect anything to get better any time soon.

    BULLSHIT . it takes 125,000 new Jobs per month just to offset population growth

    . DJs “Facts”- Check em !

  11. 11
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    “14.9 percent”

    – The percent of Americans unable to find work, forced to take part-time work or who have given up looking work in the month of June, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The rate has been essentially steady since February.

    The June jobs report looks a lot like the one from May. Anemic jobs growth that not only falls short of expectations but also falls short of the number needed to accommodate young job seekers entering the economy.

    It takes something like 125,000 new jobs a month to keep pace with population growth. With only 80,000 jobs added in June, the economy is at best stagnating and may be getting ready to take another tumble. Dipping corporate profits, weak manufacturing and sagging consumer confidence all suggest that a recessionary round could be ahead.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/06/obama-drags-bad-jobs-report-along-on-bus-tour/#ixzz1zs1bs1ns

  12. 12
    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Job growth, my ass.
    80,000 jobs “created”. A job is considered “created” when someone retires and is replaced.
    However, 85,000 people went out on social security disability last month. In fact, consistently during the Obama administration there have been more people going on disabilty than jobs created.
    Obama is only being successful in increasing the dependent class.
    And if Obama is a one-term president, then things should get better. Starting in January.

  13. 13
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Thirty Times the Obama Administration Admonished Americans Not to Read Too Much Into a Monthly Jobs Report

    The Obama White House deserves credit for its consistency, if not its performance, on jobs. Since November 2009 it has told Americans not to read too much into a monthly jobs report a staggering 30 times.

    1. June 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is informative to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.”

    2. May 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.”

    3. April 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.”

    4. March 2012: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available.”

    5. February 2012: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report; nevertheless, the trend in job market indicators over recent months is an encouraging sign.”

    6. January 2012: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report; nevertheless, the trend in job market indicators over recent months is an encouraging sign.”

    7. December 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    8. November 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    9. October 2011: “The monthly employment and unemployment numbers are volatile and employment estimates are subject to substantial revision. There is no better example than August’s jobs figure, which was initially reported at zero and in the latest revision increased to 104,000. This illustrates why the Administration always stresses it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    10. September 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    11. August 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    12. July 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    13. June 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    14. May 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    15. April 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    16. March 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    17. February 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    18. January 2011: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    19. December 2010: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    20. November 2010: “Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    21. October 2010: “Given the volatility in monthly employment and unemployment data, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    22. September 2010: “Given the volatility in the monthly employment and unemployment data, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report.”

    23. July 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative. It is essential that we continue our efforts to move in the right direction and replace job losses with robust job gains.”

    24. August 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.”

    25. June 2010: “As always, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.”

    26. May 2010: “As always, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.”

    27. April 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.”

    28. March 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.”

    29. January 2010: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.”

    30. November 2009: “Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative.”

    Fair enough then, don’t read too much into one monthly jobs report. But how about 41 straight months?

    h/t PJ Tattler

  14. 14
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #: 4

    According to all these post I keep reading – You’ve got one foot in the grave and the other’s on a banna peel – so you probably don’t rate a bullet, why waste good amo? /snark
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  15. 15
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Secondmouse @ #:

    Never underestimate the drooling morons walking around occupying everything but a job. They just could do it…again.

  16. 16
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #:

    we KNOW how to get out of a recession,

    Yes we do, cut taxes, cut regulations and gut the Federal agencies

    it’s just that when you have the Republican leadership in Congress whose ONLY stated goal is to do everything it can to make sure Obama is a one term president, then don’t expect anything to get better any time soon.

    Thank God for 2010 and the Tea Party and it will get better….1200 20 January 2013. But also see my “IF” statement.

    The only other thing that would get my dick harder than woodpeckers lips would be, after Mittens swears the oath, is to immediately turn to Obongo and say “Marshals, place this traitor under arrest”

  17. 17
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Are you coming up here to execute me? Or should I just get into the box car and come to you?

    Wow.

    Fuck no, you might shoot back! :em06:

    :)
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  18. 18
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    it’s just that when you have the Republican leadership in Congress whose ONLY stated goal is to do everything it can to make sure Obama is a one term president, then don’t expect anything to get better any time soon.

    You seem to have forgotten that you’ve already been busted on that particular meme…

    Yeah, we want him out, and someone else to replace him. Preferably Conservative. Failing that, a Republican (preferably one hanging by his first Soprano Court nominee over a kettle of boiling oil, but still).

    And this surprises you…why again?

    Besides, we endeavor to remind you Every So Often that your side had all of gummint the first two years of Bambi’s term, and the House & Senate for the two years prior to that. You guys had a chance to fix what you were screaming about…and you whiffed.

    So, like Misha said…keep right on pounding that chicken.

  19. 19
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Light29ID says:

    Yes we do, cut taxes, cut regulations and gut the Federal agencies

    Hasn’t worked so far. In fact, exactly the opposite has happened each time that has been tried. (look back at 1937)

    LC Light29ID says:

    The only other thing that would get my dick harder than woodpeckers lips would be, after Mittens swears the oath, is to immediately turn to Obongo and say “Marshals, place this traitor under arrest”

    Are you suffering from heat stroke? You are talking about Mittens, ya know. This guy is just looking for a position to make his stand on. So far he has more positions than the Kama Sutra on any given issue. Do you have ANY idea of anything this man stands for? Because for every position you can tell me, I can show you several other positions he’s held on the same issue.

    I hate to break this to you, but at the end of the day, Mittens is not going to become president. The Republican Party elite aren’t gong to allow that to happen. They have bigger plans for 2016 and Mittens is just the place holder.

    Picture this for a moment. In Fall of 2008, McCain started getting the idea that the upcoming four years were going to be a shit storm on a stick. He probably could have won the election if he really had wanted to. But the advisers and plotters who work behind the scenes did some political calculations and figured that whoever won in 2008 was going to be mired in shit for at least four to six years. All they had to do was make sure that it wasn’t going to get any better until after this upcoming election.

    The eye is on 2016. Virtually every respectable economist feels that things are going to start turning around sometime in 2014 or 2016. That sets the stage for a Republican to ride up in his shining glory and take over a fully recovering economy and take full credit for it (much like you give Obama full credit for Bush’s economic shit nugget)

    Mittens? Be honest now — if he were the Democratic candidate, you’d be laughing your ass off right now.

    President Etch-a-Sketch.

    :em05:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Fuck no, you might shoot back!

    You’d get lost in the woods.
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  20. 20
    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    LCSgtmech @ #:

    “you just can’t get around the truth anymore, they are going to tax the SHIT out of everyone…”

    Erroneous! Untrue! All money properly belongs to the government. You peasants have no right to any of it beyond what your superiors deign to grant you. You will still be receiving 100% of your allocation, so your tax honor will not change.

    - Leftist philosophy

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Are you suffering from heat stroke?

    No, bourbon relives that

    You are talking about Mittens, ya know. This guy is just looking for a position to make his stand on. So far he has more positions than the Kama Sutra on any given issue. Do you have ANY idea of anything this man stands for? Because for every position you can tell me, I can show you several other positions he’s held on the same issue.

    I don’t like the choice either. I screamed to high heaven for Palin but it’s the hand we’ve been dealt but one thing we can do is to elect hardcore Conservatives down the ticket so we keep Mittens nutsack in a table vise.

    I hate to break this to you, but at the end of the day, Mittens is not going to become president.

    Give it three or four months and they’ll repeal the 22nd Amendment and dig up Reagan before they put Obongo back in.

    The Republican Party elite aren’t gong to allow that to happen. They have bigger plans for 2016 and Mittens is just the place holder.

    Rope. Tree. RINO. Works for me

    Picture this for a moment. In Fall of 2008, McCain started getting the idea that the upcoming four years were going to be a shit storm on a stick. He probably could have won the election if he really had wanted to. But the advisers and plotters who work behind the scenes did some political calculations and figured that whoever won in 2008 was going to be mired in shit for at least four to six years. All they had to do was make sure that it wasn’t going to get any better until after this upcoming election.

    You give Little Johnny McCain too much credit in the intelligence department

    The eye is on 2016. Virtually every respectable economist feels that things are going to start turning around sometime in 2014 or 2016. That sets the stage for a Republican to ride up in his shining glory and take over a fully recovering economy and take full credit for it (much like you give Obama full credit for Bush’s economic shit nugget)

    Whatever shit your smoking pass it this way. Obongo gets back in we’ll have the standard of living of Zimbabwe

  22. 22
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Darth Venomous says:

    You seem to have forgotten that you’ve already been busted on that particular meme…

    Sorry, DV, I missed your comment.

    I have been busted? Ummmm…

    Here

    Here

    Here

    Here

    Here

    Not that you would admit or believe any of it — after all, it didn’t come from FOX News or WND (where Joseph Farah is convinced that Obama is sending drones over his house now…)

    LC Light29ID says:

    No, bourbon relives that

    It also hardens the liver and causes dehydration — both not good with heat.

    LC Light29ID says:

    I don’t like the choice either. [...]

    There is a choice?

    LC Light29ID says:

    Give it three or four months and they’ll repeal the 22nd Amendment and dig up Reagan before they put Obongo back in.

    Not according to the two who have been right for the last three elections:

    Electoral-Vote

    Nate Silver

    LC Light29ID says:

    Rope. Tree. RINO. Works for me

    Like it or not, it is where the money is at.

    LC Light29ID says:

    You give Little Johnny McCain too much credit in the intelligence department

    Not him — frankly, I can’t think of any candidate that is all that smart. If they were, they certainly wouldn’t be running for president.

    No, I was talking about the REAL brains behind any presidential outfit — the advisers. Remember Bush’s Brain? Then there was Dick Cheney. THEY were the ones running that outfit. I’m talking about the people behind the scenes, the money people, the power people. Presidents are just figureheads. They put a face on the machine. Obama is just a face of a machine. So is Romney. So is the guy who emerges in 2015 to run in the 2016 election. There are several people I see positioning for it right now, and I am sure if you open your eyes up you would see who they are too. Each one of them have more going for them in their pinkie finger than Romney has in his entire body…

    LC Light29ID says:

    Whatever shit your smoking pass it this way. Obongo gets back in we’ll have the standard of living of Zimbabwe

    Naw. The economy is picking up. After the election, Republicans will have no other choice but to buckle down and start being honest brokers in fixing this mess.

    In 2010 Republicans ran on jobs, and the only real thing they’ve done is pass legislation on vaginas.
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    HempRopeAndStreetlight growls and barks:

    Speaking of people that need to be badly thrown from a window… drug by a wagon, strung up, and them split from crotch to gizzard….

  24. 24
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    I have been busted? Ummmm…

    Yeah, Deej – busted.

    See, you’re whining “oh, boo hoo, those meeeaaaaan wascally Weepublicans, dey wanna make my messiah a one-term Pwesident!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah. We do. And we’ll do what we have to in order to achieve that goal. Just like it was the Demoscum Party’s goal to make Dubya a one-termer.

    WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR THIS CYCLE??!?!?!

    (And you can post as many links as you want – I personally don’t give a shit. We didn’t want Bambi to have a first term (who we ran to oppose him notwithstanding) – do you really think we want this assclown to have a second one?)

    Really, Deej. This ain’t exactly a state secret, y’know. You’re supposed to be better than this. Whatever you’re on, I want some.

    In 2010 Republicans ran on jobs, and the only real thing they’ve done is pass legislation on vaginas.

    And that’s a lie too, Deej.

  25. 25
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Darth Venomous says:

    Yeah, Deej – busted.

    Sorry, but not buying the bullshit.

    Darth Venomous says:

    WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR THIS CYCLE??!?!?!

    Really. If I were to dig back a few months here, what do you think I will find about Mr. Romney here? I really don’t want to embarrass you here, but NOBODY here has a really good opinion about Mittens. Not ONE of you.

    But here you are settling for the Republican nominee just KNOWING that he is an idiot. But at least he isn’t that Obama guy huh?

    Darth Venomous says:

    And that’s a lie too, Deej.

    Not ONE of those bills have been proven to turn the economy around. In fact it they were nothing more than the continuation of the bullshit that got us into this current mess.

    Try, just TRY to wake up, won’t you? The ONLY thing that has been proven over and over again to get us out of a recession — something that even your hero, Mr. Reagan understood — is for government to inject money into the economy through infrastructure spending.

    Take a few minutes and just research each time we’ve been in a recession an see what it was that pulled us out of it.

    All of this other bullshit is just that — bullshit.

    You don’t even realize that you are being taken for a ride. A HUGE ride.

    I know that it is romantic to dream that you may some day be one of those multi-billionaires who are running things. But the likelihood of you even becoming a millionaire is about the same as that scratch ticket you buy at the 7-Eleven every week.

    Good gawd., just wake up. You are being lied to.

    Not that I really care. It will eventually dawn on you.

    Here ask yourself this question: If the current administration is really hard on the rich, the why are they earning more money than ever before in history?

    Look up the term, cognitive dissonance. That is what afflicts most Conservatives these days.
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Wanna Talk about tripling down on Stupid ? :em08:

    CA just approved a high speed rail project to the tune of 61 Billion dollars. 130 Miles of rail. That’s it. LA to San Fran.

    Some of that 61 Billion is coming from Federal coffers, some from State Bonds, and of course – waiiiit for it!!! *GASP* there’s talk of raising taxes – CA state income and other CA state taxes to help fund this.

    I don’t live in CA – so I gotta ask why in the ever loving hell are MY Federal Tax dollars going to a rail project in CA, one that I and a majority of other Americans will probably never use? If the Golden state folks want a high speed rail – go for it – but CALIFORNIA bloody well ought to pay for it – not soak the rest of the fucking country via our Federal Taxes to chase your magical mystery trains.

    Second, Isn’t CA bleeding red ink by the 50 gallon drum these days? Why yes – I think they are. Did the suited jackels in Sacramento ever here the phrase “when you’re in a hole – STOP digging” – I guess not.

    Moon Bean Jerry and his D coherts are stoned. They have to be. There is no other explanation.

  27. 27
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    CA just approved a high speed rail project to the tune of 61 Billion dollars. 130 Miles of rail. That’s it. LA to San Fran.

    And amazingly, it will provide — wait for it — JOBS. For each of those jobs, another five or ten support jobs will be created. For each of those, even more.. That is the wonder of Capitalism. Whodda thunk?

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    I don’t live in CA

    So why should you care?

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    Second, Isn’t CA bleeding red ink by the 50 gallon drum these days?

    Could all of that have something to do with having a fucking right wingnut governor that replaced Grey Davis? Remember the “governator” who a lot of you though should have an exception made for his foreign birth so he could become president?

    Jesus Fucking Christ on a Crutch! It isn’t as if I don’t have a fucking memory here! I don’t have to go back in the archives here and completely embarrass the everlasting shit out of any of you do I? The amount of genital caressing you gave to the “Governator ” way back when was astounding — and what did he leave California with?

    A fucking mess, that’s what.

    Just like EVERY time a Conservative is in office. The guy who follows has to clean up behind them. That is where Obama is right now, and that is where Jerry Brown is — cleaning up after the elephant party.

    I blame the voters. Stupid fucks that they are.
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  28. 28
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Delta Jallyn, Imperial Contradictor:

    I hate to break this to you, but at the end of the day, Mittens is not going to become president. The Republican Party elite aren’t gong to allow that to happen. They have bigger plans for 2016 and Mittens is just the place holder.

    And the old Wiz has admonished us not to accept conspiracy theories! :em05:

    And amazingly, [CA's newly-approved blunder wonder rail] will provide — wait for it — JOBS. For each of those jobs, another five or ten support jobs will be created. For each of those, even more.. That is the wonder of Capitalism. Whodda thunk?

    Capitalism, hell–it’s state spending with borrowed money–at, what, some insane price per hire?

    Could all of that have something to do with having a fucking right wingnut governor that replaced Grey Davis?…Jesus Fucking Christ on a Crutch! It isn’t as if I don’t have a fucking memory here! I don’t have to go back in the archives here and completely embarrass the everlasting shit out of any of you do I?

    Genghis Freaking Khan on a motorized unicycle! No, not all of that could have to do with Schwarzenegger, whom we realize sucked in his turn after the sucky Grey Doofus & before the second coming of Governor Moonbeam, who presumably also sucks. CA’s government just sucks.

    Just like EVERY time a Conservative is in office. The guy who follows has to clean up behind them. That is where Obama is right now, and that is where Jerry Brown is — cleaning up after the elephant party

    Obeyme’s cleaning up after no one; he’s trying to pull down the temple. As for the Jerrinator, I suspect he’s just replacing elephant crap with donkey dung.

    I blame the voters

    Sounds like the Emperor.

  29. 29
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Deej, This is where I think; A. you are either off your meds or B. You say shit just to be obstinate.

    Read my post. Read it Carefully. If you want to debate the merits for or against what I said fine but quit the Democrat attack dog antics.

    My issues IS NOT that CA is building this railway – I encourage it. Technology is great – use it – damn the torpedos full speed ahead!

    * BUT* QUIT HOLDING THE REST OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY HOSTAGE FOR YOUR FUCKING WET DREAM DESIRES!!

    There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says CA wants High Speed Rail so the rest of us have to open our walletts and pay for it, likewise Alaska wants to build a fucking bridge to nowhere which by the way was a REPUBLICAN Senator pushing for it – fucking do it but use Alaskan funds or California funds – NOT the funds provided by John Q. Public, US Taxpayer.

    This is a STATE level function and inititave – Unlike the Federal Highway system, This rail does not cross any state boundries meaning that it is NOT federal project to fund – ergo the STATE that wants it – pays for it. How hard of a concept can it be to understand that THIS IS EXACTLY what the Founders Intended??

    As to your assertion that it will create Jobs – Did I say it wouldn’t ? No I didn’t, as stated above, I encourage it but not at a FEDERAL level. AND Certainly not when CA is bleeding the red ink it is – Stockton CA just filed Chapter 11 – Reports are other cities in CA may follow – It has one of the HIGHEST tax rates on Personal and Business Income in the country yet has billions of dollars already in red ink AND now it wants to, as the thread title says, “Triple down on Stupid “and spend another 61 Billion dollars?!? Billions on a project that at best may serve a small percentage of the population of CA let alone the rest of the country??

    As to the jobs meme – Sure it will bring jobs, And I will make a bet right now that Jerry Dirty Brown just signed off on a bill and in that bill lurking is a kick back to the Unions – Wanna make that bet? Just like his pimp-daddy in DC did when taking office by mandating any federal project in the D.C area must use union labor – I’ll lay even money similar language lives in this CA bill as well.

    Lastly you can’t embarass me about the “Governantor” I never liked his shitty work out videos or movies and I never thought he had any business what so ever in politics so take that meme and kindly shove it where the sun don’t shine. You can search every last post and bit and byte on this blog or others that I have written in you want – you’ll not find a single instance of me backing the Hollywood A-list types, including Ah-Nold for politcal office.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    There isn’t going to be a fucking high speed rail in Ca. The enviro weenies will shit it down. And if there is, its going to cost way more 61 billion after legal fees and re-routes. But I agree, the nation should not be paying for this project. In regard to Ca, one rino gov outweighs how many years of socialist control of the legislature? You wanna see what 30 yrs of socialist control looks like? Look at Ca and IL.

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    It never ceases to amaze me how desperately the radical left clings to its Keynesian theories of economics in spite of overwhelming evidence that A) they do not work; B) they make matters worse. The most frightful of these misunderstandings is the failure to understand the difference between money and wealth.

    There are dozens of reasons why the economy is in the disastrous shape that it is in, but here are a few:

    1. Excessive debt overhang, both public and private.

    The entire developed world is trying to deleverage from the consequences of central bank and progressive government policies which have accumulated debt at shocking rates in the last decade or so. Until these balance sheets get back in line with the capacity to service this debt, growth will not happen. The mortgage-backed securities crash was the trigger, but profligate spending guaranteed this was going to happen sooner or later anyway. The only solutions are default and/or inflation, and until we see a lot of these, no progress will be made. Neither are good, by the way, and inflation is particularly hard on the poor.

    2. Destruction of free market incentives.

    This one is a biggie, but it is happening in so many ways, and with so little fanfare, that it does not get the attention it deserves. It is estimated that the total non-productive burden of regulation on the US economy has reached $2 trillion a year, after the government added an estimated 60 billion to that burden last year. This is about one-seventh of the US GDP. In states like California, we have learning laboratories that illustrate the folly of this kind of government intervention. One report I have seen enumerated over 600 individual manufacturing firms that moved out of California over a 20 year period due to the regulatory regime and a hostile business climate. I am old enough to remember a day when people in business spoke only occasionally about the government’s involvement in their affairs. It is now a primary focal point. Companies and products used to be designed to succeed in a competitive marketplace. Today they are designed to curry favor with regulators or thread the needle of government policy and regulations (Chevy Volt, anyone?). I read a recent study on the return on investment (ROI) of different ways that businesses can deploy cash. It turns out that the highest ROI these days is not in developing new products, or training employees, or in marketing, but in lobbying. One firm that was studied averaged a 5800% ROI on their lobbying effort! what does that say about us? Is it any wonder that the rich get richer while this remains true?

    This dysfunction has, I believe, reached something of a tipping point. If you look at the length of time it has taken our economy to recover from recessions in the last hundred years, each successive recovery has taken longer, and the rate of growth of the recovered economy is lower than the one before it. Now, we cannot seem to exit the recession, and the only growth we seem to see is in the enrollment in SSDI.

    3. The Fed.

    If enough Americans understood how the Fed works and the impact it has had on this nation, there would be gunfire in the streets before morning. The Fed is actually not part of our government. It is essentially an independent cartel of major banks, to which we have delegated an astonishing amount of control over this nation’s wealth and fiscal policy. It was formed by the passage of legislation in 1913, ostensibly to protect the nation from the harmful effects of failed banks, bank runs in times of crises, and similar financial crises that it was believed were too disruptive to commerce. What it actually does is socialize the business risk of banking. This means that when the economy is strong, banks create wealth for their owners and managers, and when the economy struggles, the taxpayer covers the banks losses. Since the creation of the Fed, the US Dollar has lost 96% of its value. In a sense, this is a measure of the amount of wealth stolen from the American people through this process of socializing the losses of those financial institutions, and bankers using the American people’s money to make more money. This structure has also created tremendous moral hazard in the financial services industry, and has directly led to the absurd practices we see in that industry today (JPMorgan CIO desk, for the well-informed), and to the moral failure of the industry to police itself. This is another primary contributor to the dynamic that has the rich growing richer, and middle and low incomes stagnating, or in real dollar terms, declining.

    I could go on, but this is enough to draw the crucial conclusion. In each of these forces, the actions of government are at the root of the later consequences. Virtually all of government involvement in the economy today consists of interventions intended to address the consequences of earlier interventions, or to attempt to achieve some misbegotten ideal of ‘social justice’ or ‘economic equality’. All are doomed to failure as a consequence of misdiagnosis and a failure to understand our culture, our society and our economy as natural systems.

    In the past, we could watch the politicians battle over policy and strategy while the economy eventually healed itself, and presidential politics had relatively little impact on that process. This time is different. Our economy has suffered too much injury to the processes which promote growth, and the parasitic drag of all these interventions has accumulated to a tipping point.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Xystus says:

    Capitalism, hell–it’s state spending with borrowed money–at, what, some insane price per hire?

    The roads you drive on, the bridges, and the other big-ticket items you take for granted — all built with government dollars. Why? Because private industry doesn’t have the money and they don’t tend to build on spec.

    Yes, it creates jobs — private sector jobs. The government isn’t building anything, they contract out to the private sector. Engineers, construction workers, support, materials, steel, concrete, manufacturing. Each of those industries get lifted up. The employees of those industries buy things and pay for services, which creates the need for even MORE jobs. Each person working ends up paying taxes back to the government, which can be used on future projects.

    And at the end of the day — they have something that they didn’t have before. In this case, a high speed train. In other cases, a new bridge, or a new freeway.

    This isn’t rocket science. It is economics. And it is a proven way to get out of a recession. I don’t know why it is so hard to understand.
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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #:

    Read this little tidbit from VDH to see what CA has become but this fucking train is more goddamn important. In a nutshell the legal system has become a revolving door and the medical system is one straw away from breaking completely. These farmers are going to do one of two things, 1) give up, sell out and get the hell out, or 2) go complete Rhodesian and take the law into their own hands. And if you think that it won’t happen DJ then your delusional because how-to articles like this (Hunter Killer Teams) have gone mainstream. The WRSA gets of 200,000 hits a month. Also don’t forget that Obongo has been the best gun salesman since the Plains Indian Wars.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Light29ID @ #:

    OT, but you may have missed my comment as it’s in an old post so I’ll just repeat it here, but were you offering your services as an author a bit back? The benefits package is awesome! :)
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    The benefits package is awesome!

    I’m no mathematician, but doesn’t nothing plus nothing still equal nothing? :em05:

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    I’m no mathematician, but doesn’t nothing plus nothing still equal nothing?

    Perhaps, but something times nothing equals… Oh bother… Math is hard. :em05:
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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    DJA:

    This isn’t rocket science. It is economics. And it is a proven way to get out of a recession. I don’t know why it is so hard to understand.

    Roads & bridges good–why, that means any transportation is good & will succeed–& will save our economy! In theory, I’ll admit, high-speed rail is a fine idea. Somehow I don’t expect this scheme is gonna work, though it’s be nice if it did–like a lot of other stuff.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    I’m no mathematician, but doesn’t nothing plus nothing still equal nothing?

    Just be glad that he doesn’t pay in bank derivatives loaded up with toxic debt.

    Oh wait…
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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Are you hiring writers, my Liege? :em03:

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    “You all like me, you really, really like me!” thunk “Shut up and get back in TransAm Sally we still got a load of Coors to deliver”

    Thank you my Liege for this humble appointment. As for the benefits my needs are few:

    1. Key to the Imperial Liquor cabinet (I’ll only take the bourbon, not the Vodka “urp”)
    2. Access to the new Imperial wenches brought in during any pillaging of near by villages (gotta train’em right). Nicki ain’t around right? Her Imperial Louis Slugger can be life threatening.
    3. Ability to schedule times for private affairs in the Imperial Dungeon Game room. I have a couple of kids that need occasional redirection in their lives.

    Again, D?mo arigat?gozaimashita on this promotion.

    Light

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Xystus says:

    Are you hiring writers, my Liege?

    Pay is lousy, or so I hear all the time from the ingrates on the staff. Are you applying?

    LC Light29ID says:

    1. Key to the Imperial Liquor cabinet (I’ll only take the bourbon, not the Vodka “urp”)
    2. Access to the new Imperial wenches brought in during any pillaging of near by villages (gotta train’em right). Nicki ain’t around right? Her Imperial Louis Slugger can be life threatening.
    3. Ability to schedule times for private affairs in the Imperial Dungeon Game room. I have a couple of kids that need occasional redirection in their lives.

    Sounds reasonable enough to me. Welcome aboard! (beware the new shiny buttons, though. Some of them have been known to cause rips in the space-time continuum)
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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Pay is lousy, or so I hear all the time from the ingrates on the staff. Are you applying?

    The ridicule is enough of a reward, what more could we really ask for — and expect?

    I personally try to keep my postings here down. Save for the few that REALLY should have had Beer Goggle Technology employed, of course. Although I have been tempted to post a rousing photo of Helen Thomas doing Rosie O’Donnell… (and you thought BC was depraved…)

    :em05:
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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Deej, we know BC is depraved. We all thought you were either above that level, or too sick to pull that shit. Guess we were wrong. :em08:

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    LC Alric growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:
    And at the end of the day — they have something that they didn’t have before. In this case, a high speed train. In other cases, a new bridge, or a new freeway.
    This isn’t rocket science. It is economics. And it is a proven way to get out of a recession. I don’t know why it is so hard to understand.
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    Hey, I’ve got a better idea. If building stuff for the sake of it gets us out of a recession, why don’t we destroy all the roads and bridges in the country and rebuild them? I’ll eliminate unemployment for sure, and we’ll get shiny new infrastructure out of the deal! Genius! The Chinese are pretty much doing the same thing, building cities and the like in the middle of nowhere to keep feeding their economic bubble. Better be prepared when it pops.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Alric says:

    Hey, I’ve got a better idea. If building stuff for the sake of it gets us out of a recession, why don’t we destroy all the roads and bridges in the country and rebuild them?

    We might as well, considering that 11 percent — or 69,223 bridges — are considered “structurally deficient”. Roads need to be maintained and repaired, new routes built.

    Then there is our aging power grid from the main transmission lines all the way down to the line that goes to your house. You might not realize it, but wires wear out. As we continue to grow, we need to expand the grid.

    Then there is water and sewer. Most of that is aging and crumbling also.

    There are PLENTY of things that NEED to be done.

    LC Alric says:

    The Chinese are pretty much doing the same thing, building cities and the like in the middle of nowhere to keep feeding their economic bubble. Better be prepared when it pops.

    Apparently, you haven’t really thought this out, or you have a very limited understanding of how we got to be as great as we are. (and trust me, it has NOTHING to do with our military capability)

    For the longest time, WE were the manufacturing kings of the world. WE imported raw materials and turned them into manufactured products that we sold to the rest of the world. In order for that to happen, we needed to have the world’s best transportation infrastructure in place. We built world-class ports, a highway and freeway system that is still the envy of the world. Cities literally sprung up in the “middle of nowhere” to act as either a transportation hub or a manufacturing center. As we grew, so did our transportation infrastructure. Whether it is food, clothing, widgets, or whatever, our transportation infrastructure is what makes it all happen.

    The problem is, that much of our transportation infrastructure is literally near the end of its life. Many of our bridges, for example were built fifty or more years ago, with a design life of fifty years. Most maintenance on these bridges have been just a bandaid. Some are being seismically retrofitted, but those are just temporary fixes.

    China is doing exactly what we were doing sixty years ago. If we are EVER going to be able to compete with them on a global market in the future, WE need to step up our game. And that means investing in our infrastructure right now.
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    ohio right wing nut growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    China is doing exactly what we were doing sixty years ago

    We have never built cities completley inhabitated by NO-ONE, we built cities out of need not to show off some fake economic boom.

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    LC Alric growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    LC Alric says:
    Hey, I’ve got a better idea. If building stuff for the sake of it gets us out of a recession, why don’t we destroy all the roads and bridges in the country and rebuild them?
    We might as well, considering that 11 percent — or 69,223 bridges — are considered “structurally deficient”. Roads need to be maintained and repaired, new routes built.
    Then there is our aging power grid from the main transmission lines all the way down to the line that goes to your house. You might not realize it, but wires wear out. As we continue to grow, we need to expand the grid.
    Then there is water and sewer. Most of that is aging and crumbling also.
    There are PLENTY of things that NEED to be done.
    LC Alric says:
    The Chinese are pretty much doing the same thing, building cities and the like in the middle of nowhere to keep feeding their economic bubble. Better be prepared when it pops.
    Apparently, you haven’t really thought this out, or you have a very limited understanding of how we got to be as great as we are. (and trust me, it has NOTHING to do with our military capability)
    For the longest time, WE were the manufacturing kings of the world. WE imported raw materials and turned them into manufactured products that we sold to the rest of the world. In order for that to happen, we needed to have the world’s best transportation infrastructure in place. We built world-class ports, a highway and freeway system that is still the envy of the world. Cities literally sprung up in the “middle of nowhere” to act as either a transportation hub or a manufacturing center. As we grew, so did our transportation infrastructure. Whether it is food, clothing, widgets, or whatever, our transportation infrastructure is what makes it all happen.
    The problem is, that much of our transportation infrastructure is literally near the end of its life. Many of our bridges, for example were built fifty or more years ago, with a design life of fifty years. Most maintenance on these bridges have been just a bandaid. Some are being seismically retrofitted, but those are just temporary fixes.
    China is doing exactly what we were doing sixty years ago. If we are EVER going to be able to compete with them on a global market in the future, WE need to step up our game. And that means investing in our infrastructure right now.
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    Source please? The US has better infrastructure than 99% of the world when you consider the size and population density of the US. Name another country that has an interstate system as large and as extensive as the United States. Hell, the US spends more on infrastructure now than it has in the past 30 years! “Crumbling infrastructure” is a meme that needs to die. It’s just an excuse for more government spending, and is no better than “we need x amount of troops deployed in country y, who might possibly be invaded by some other country in the near future.”
    http://cafehayek.com/2011/11/more-on-crumbling-infrastructure.html
    http://cafehayek.com/2011/09/its-this-myth-that-should-be-crumbling.html
    http://cafehayek.com/2011/09/crumbling.html

    And the US still is a, if not the largest, world manufacturing power. You’ve been listening to too much Lou Dobbs.
    http://www.redstate.com/audax/2010/12/14/us-manufacturing-base-far-from-dead/
    http://cafehayek.com/2011/02/on-fletcher-and-false-assumption-of-u-s-manufacturing-decline.html
    http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/01/we-should-take-more-pride-in-our-global.html

    Barring a revolution that brings in a more democratic state, Red China will be utterly fucked in 20 years. Between a rising debt crisis, endemic corruption in politics, a demographic crisis, and massive pollution they’ve got severe problems of their own.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Oh Dear G-d no, not the Broken Windows Fallacy again, Deej, you’re making my sides hurt, and that’s no fun when you’ve got a broken rib that refuses to knit! :em05:

    You evil, wicked man.

    But just because it’s Sunday and I have nothing better to do that to laugh at your failed idea, let’s go over it again:

    Yes, more money in the economy does, generally speaking, tend to increase growth. You and the socialist Keynesians’ argument is that therefore it follows that pumping government money into the economy is a good idea. All other things being equal, or ceteris paribus as my professor in business school used to call it (always following it with “but they aren’t. Ever”, because he was a clever coot), it’s not a bad one. Certainly we can all agree that sucking money out of the economy is no way to get it going.

    But what Keynesian retards then go on to assume is that having government do it is the best way or, in fact, the only way. Which it self-evidently isn’t.

    You see, as any third grader would be able to explain to you (if they were raised by me or somebody like me), the money that government is supposed to pump into the economy is, by and large (excluding the funds that they borrow from other governments), money they’ve already taken out of it. What makes it worse is that they then take an administrative cut from that money before they pass it back to the economy.

    It would have been much easier to just leave the damn money where it was. Let’s say that I need to get my car fixed. It costs $1,000. Now, I could either pay the mechanic directly, or I could give the money to the government, have them take a cut out of it, then pass it back to the mechanic. Obviously I’d have to cover the government vig as well as the actual cost in that case. If you think the latter approach is smart, then you’re a Keynesian and need never again be taken seriously by any life form above the rank of prokaryote.

    Of course, that’s just scratching the surface. Apart from the federal vig that is then used by politicians to buy votes so they’ll never have to do an honest day of labor again in their lives (which really doesn’t improve the status of your automobile), the fed then gets to choose which mechanic you have to use, rather than you shopping around to find the guy who offers the best service for the least amount of money.

    This, to a Keynesian, is also the “best” way of doing things but, again, Keynesians don’t have the brains that G-d gave boiled cabbage. It’s called “picking winners and losers” (based on no knowledge of how things work, unless you’re going to argue that a politician, typically with a law degree and no experience whatsoever in the private sector, automatically knows everything about everything better than everybody else by virtue of having convinced enough schmucks to vote for him) and it is vastly inferior to letting the market forces sort it out.

    And then there is the final idiocy in Keynesian “thought”, which is that all recessions are due to not enough money being in the economy. It isn’t. The current recession is due, in a huge part, to businesses not knowing what the fuck new and ingenious ways the fed is going to come up with in the future to make doing business even more expensive than it already is so the fed can buy more votes with other people’s money.

    When you don’t know how and how much you’re going to be raped by the fed in the future, it’s a lot safer to just do nothing at all.

    Unless, of course, you’re an imbecile and think that businesses with capital to spare would much rather have their capital sewed into their mattresses than invest it to make even more money. Or, even more hilariously, that those evil businesses sitting on billions, TRILLIONS of dollars are hitting themselves in the wallet because they really don’t like the Black Messiah. You know, Deej, those billionaires didn’t become billionaires by being stupid. They honestly couldn’t care less if the White House was occupied by a three-headed-monkey who liked to rape poodles, all they want to do is to make more money.

    You can keep worshiping at the altar of Krugman, Europe has been doing it for decades and it’s working out really well for them, isn’t it, and you can keep throwing idiotic memes around until you turn blue in the face, but that’s not going to stop me laughing, nor is it going to make me pay any attention other than to the extent that it makes for good Fisk Fodder.

    Peace :)
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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Alric says:

    Source please? The US has better infrastructure than 99% of the world when you consider the size and population density of the US. Name another country that has an interstate system as large and as extensive as the United States.

    Reading comprehension isn’t one of your stronger suits, is it? Because it appears that you skipped over the part where I mentioned the part where I said, “We built world-class ports, a highway and freeway system that is still the envy of the world.”

    But you also missed the entire point: What we DO have is deteriorating. Eleven percent of our bridges are about to literally FALL DOWN. Perhaps you slept through the Summer of 2007 when the I-35W Mississippi River bridge in Minnesota collapsed.

    Oh, and what do those engineers know anyways?

    LC Alric says:

    You’ve been listening to too much Lou Dobbs.

    Lou Dobbs? Me?!

    :em05:

    Perhaps you should look closer at where most of the crap you buy is actually manufactured. I mean, just because a company is based in the US, doesn’t mean that their crap isn’t made exclusively in China, Korea, or India. Heck, it is a safe bet that the computer you are using right now is made in China.

    LC Alric says:

    Barring a revolution that brings in a more democratic state, Red China will be utterly fucked in 20 years. Between a rising debt crisis, endemic corruption in politics, a demographic crisis, and massive pollution they’ve got severe problems of their own.

    Hell, we’ve been predicting the demise of China since the late 1940s.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Perhaps you slept through the Summer of 2007 when the I-35W Mississippi River bridge in Minnesota collapsed.

    No I didn’t. I remember it very well. It was the bridge that collapsed because the MNDOT repeatedly refused to follow recommendations until the bridge fell down.

    Let’s give them some more money to fuck around with!

    :em05:
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    LC Alric growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Reading comprehension isn’t one of your stronger suits, is it? Because it appears that you skipped over the part where I mentioned the part where I said, “We built world-class ports, a highway and freeway system that is still the envy of the world.”
    But you also missed the entire point: What we DO have is deteriorating. Eleven percent of our bridges are about to literally FALL DOWN. Perhaps you slept through the Summer of 2007 when the I-35W Mississippi River bridge in Minnesota collapsed.
    Oh, and what do those engineers know anyways?

    Did you even read the articles I posted? A bridge in Minnesota that collapsed due to the local government not maintaining it correctly for a variety of reasons does not speak for the whole issue. Read this article:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-infrastructure-argument-that-crumbles-upon-examination/2011/10/31/gIQAnILRaM_story.html
    Of course civil engineers are going to push for big public works projects.

    DJ Allyn says:

    Lou Dobbs? Me?!

    Perhaps you should look closer at where most of the crap you buy is actually manufactured. I mean, just because a company is based in the US, doesn’t mean that their crap isn’t made exclusively in China, Korea, or India. Heck, it is a safe bet that the computer you are using right now is made in China.

    No shit. Third world countries have a comparative advantage at making cheap consumer goods. I could be mopping floors for a living, but I have more important and productive things to do. Again, you didn’t pay any attention to the supplemental links I gave you.

    DJ Allyn says:

    Hell, we’ve been predicting the demise of China since the late 1940s.
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    And people have been predicting the demise of the US since the 1780s.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    You and the socialist Keynesians’ argument is that therefore it follows that pumping government money into the economy is a good idea.

    I will spare you the ten paragraph response I just wrote about how someone who has only been here for a relatively short fucking time seems to know more that those of us who actually remembers when EISENHOWER was president.

    The fact is, “socialist” or otherwise, the proven fact is that what has pulled our asses out of a recession time and time again has been government SPENDING. You cannot get past that simple fact. Time and time again. There is even documented cases from 1937 when we’ve gone the other way, — you know, cut spending and pay down the debt — where things have turned SOUR.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    No I didn’t. I remember it very well. It was the bridge that collapsed because the MNDOT repeatedly refused to follow recommendations until the bridge fell down.

    I have been driving across a viaduct that could collapse at any moment. I drive across a bridge that you can shove a fucking pencil into a concrete pillar. There are stretches of freeway I drive on that have exposed rebar, and an overpass with an exposed expansion joint that is about eight inches wide. These aren’t isolated things, these are the norm.

    There ARE projects that NEED to be worked on and that would create jobs. Private industry isn’t going to do it, yet they use the same roads that we do. I cannot help if you think in simplistic terms, but the facts are the facts,
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    I will spare you the ten paragraph response I just wrote about how someone who has only been here for a relatively short fucking time seems to know more that those of us who actually remembers when EISENHOWER was president.

    Good. Because I’d hate to embarrass you. I’m a giver that way.

    DJ Allyn says:

    The fact is, “socialist” or otherwise, the proven fact is that what has pulled our asses out of a recession time and time again has been government SPENDING. You cannot get past that simple fact.

    Actually, I can. All I have to do is to give you one short little link.

    Look at the nice graph. It tracks spending and employment changes. Funny thing is, the only times spending has been associated with increasing employment were in two periods, 1917-1919 and 1941-1945. Which, even to an idiot who hasn’t been here for long enough to truly understand the wonders of American Keynesianism (obviously entirely different from Keynesianism anywhere else in the world because… shut up) sort of sticks out. Those two periods, I mean. Weren’t they associated with something else as well?

    Oh yes, I believe they were. Even us dumb furreiners were involved in something rather important in those two periods. OK, minor parts, apart from all of the actual dying and stuff, but still we did play a part. Something to do with wars.

    You know what else happens in wars? I mean, other than governments obviously spending a whole shit load of money more than they would in peacetime, sort of a necessity? That’s right. A whole lot of people who’d otherwise be standing in line to get a job are suddenly busy getting blown up on battlefields which, if you absolutely have to find a silver lining, means that they’re no longer counted as “unemployed.”

    The only thing a sentient being can conclude from that is that world wars increase government spending AND brings unemployment down as a large part of the workforce is too busy getting killed to draw welfare. But that’s not much of an observation since that was obvious to first graders even in our straw-covered school huts with no running water overseas.

    Outside of those two cataclysmic events, government spending and unemployment followed each other closely which, again, is not much of an observation. More people unable to fend for themselves means more government expenditures. Again, even when we weren’t busy doing drum circles around our shamans overseas and sacrificing virgins to volcano gods, that much was pretty self-evident to us.

    Not enough of us, sadly, as the current state of Europe bears testimony too, we’ll always have idiot Keynesians among us who can’t add two and two and get four on a regular basis, but I’m sure the very much superior Keynesians who’ve been here since EISENHOWER, dammit, will prove to us poor primitives just how laughably, pathetically wrong we were.

    OK, I can’t hold it back anymore:

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    @ DJ Allyn: The books, they don’t lie, to paraphrase Miss Cleo. Spending has NOT gotten the US out of a recession. How do you spend yourself out of poverty when you don’t have a cash flow? You yourself cut back on spending when the recession hit, IIRC. The first thing you do when there is NO MONEY or VERY LITTLE of it is to CUT BACK on discretionary spending. Looking at the Heritage Foundation stats about getting OUT of debt would mean confiscating the income of ALL US residents (people who live here who are not US citizens) for the next ten years. The rich would have to give up more than all of their earned revenue; they would have to escheat their assets to the government. Spending has caused a recession, and the numbers don’t lie.

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    DJ Allyn says:

    We might as well, considering that 11 percent — or 69,223 bridges — are considered “structurally deficient”. Roads need to be maintained and repaired, new routes built.

    Then there is our aging power grid from the main transmission lines all the way down to the line that goes to your house. You might not realize it, but wires wear out. As we continue to grow, we need to expand the grid.

    Then there is water and sewer. Most of that is aging and crumbling also.

    There are PLENTY of things that NEED to be done.

    And yet Obammy invests stimulus funds in untested, unworkable useless green technology. Smart huh? If hes such a genius why not address the infastructure needs instead of Solyndra???

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    Far better to let people decide for themselves how they want to spend their money. The Induhvidual Mandate means that government is going to get the money. Not the insurance company. Not only that, there is a luxury tax on comprehensive health care plans. How is that going to make health care good and affordable if we end up like the NHS in the UK?

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    I wonder who’d be prosecuting the cases against the balkin’ States,,, if there’s no attorney general driving. The D.C. Bar is in receipt of the Formal Career Death Complaint. (Hey Eric! Y’got cherries flashin’ b’hind ya’s! Y’gonna pull over or bolt ?)