Articles of Secession, Anno 2012?

Miles of column inches have been spent on discussing Roberts’ abortion of a legislating from the bench ruling, but not a whole lot of hay has been made out of the possible consequences of ObamaTaxCare’s threat to withhold all federal Medicaid funds from states refusing to expand Medicaid having been deemed unconstitutional by the Court and what it might mean to the whole pile of statist, tyrannical shite if enough states decide to say “fuck you.”

26 states sued to overturn ObamaTaxCare. Presumably those same 26 states are right now righteously pissed off that the Court’s liberal fascists, with Benedict Roberts in front, decided that the law means whatever they say it means, whether or not it says anything of the sort or not.

That’s a lot of states potentially lined up to kick ObamaTaxCare in the nuts. And it would be one giant kick, to be sure, because without the states, ALL of them, joining the Medicaid expansion, ObamaTaxCare becomes even more unsustainable than it is, which is saying quite a bit. And now they have the Supreme Court’s blessing to do so.

Some states have already extended their middle finger to Comrade Ogabe and his tyranny, and more are sure to follow.

So what’s a tyrant federal government to do? Keep in mind that OgabeTaxCare simply cannot survive for more than a few years without the states voluntarily assuming most of the costs of it, i.e. the Medicaid expansion which is how Ogabe and his NSDWP fascists came up with the “savings” of their scheme to control the peasants’ lives down to the last detail. The money isn’t “saved” at all, it’s just that the expense is moved from federal accounts to state ones.

And that’s how His Imperial Majesty started wondering whether this is the equivalent of 1861. Because clearly the ever-expanding federal behemoth in DC is not going to just sit down and let those darn hillbillies, rednecks and Tea Partiers still believing in States’ Rights get away with sticking a steel rod in the spokes of the imperial federal government’s wheels.

Obviously, all of this may die down and become irrelevant in November, depending on the outcome of the election, and it’s most likely the real reason why the legislatures of all of the 26 states haven’t already said “fuck you” — why draw a line in the sand unless you know it’s needed? — but it pays to think ahead. What if, Heaven forbid, the NSDWP and Ogabe manage to squeak out a “win” through fraud, intimidation and other means in November?

The states, at least the 26 that aren’t already liberal shit holes drowning in red ink and therefore actually have something to lose, can then choose between committing financial suicide or basically telling DC to get off of their lawn, and they will have the Supreme Court’s authority behind such a declaration. And don’t shrug it off either, because they’ll be faced with a choice that is in every way as existential for the states as all of the issues leading up to 1861 were, if not more so.

Because FedGovCo, if they’re still in the hands of Comrade Ogabe and his NSDWP, will not let their signature take-over die without a fight, just because those pesky states won’t follow suit, leaving the states with no choice but to sever their ties with a government that is no longer governing with their consent. Or to die, leaving our Union and Constitution as nothing more than another failed experiment.

Could be interesting times ahead.

Thatisall.

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angrywebmaster
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Succession is the last step of course. First would be a Constitutional convention with proposed amendments to strip power away from the Feds. I’m not sure how may states are needed to call a ConCon, but I know we’re close to that number. I’ve seen discussions on what may happen if a convention is actually called. Some say they could rewrite the constitution to make the EU constitution look like the paradigm of brevity and conciseness. They always seem to forget that anything that came out ConCon would still have to be voted on by the states. :em03: I always… Read more »

rickl
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rickl

Emperor Misha I says:

Under the current fascist regime I have only this to say: If you AREN’T on that list already, you need to get your shit together because you’re doing it wrong.

:em05:

Seriously, I’m afraid of a Constitutional Convention. What makes anybody think today’s political class can improve on what the Founders gave us? We’re liable to end up with some monstrosity like the EU constitution.

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
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LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

I remind you of another solution. I took the trouble to reread the actual text of Article III, and lo! … I disovered that Justices are not appointed for life. They are appointed to serve “in good behaviour”. Are you willing to assure me that what Roberts did and the manner in which he did it, was compassed within good behaviour? If no, then there is a plausible solution, no less feasible than secession. It is a solution which should have been exercised with several of his predecessors. Does the name Abe Fortas ring a bell?

LC SecondMouse
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No Constitutional Convention. We don’t have a design issue. We have a problem with execution, which we may have to solve with more. Execution, that is.

HempRopeAndStreetlight
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HempRopeAndStreetlight

Secession is the last step.

You’re Right.

And we are THERE.

I pledge my life, my limbs, fortune, and my honor in defense of any state that leaves this festering corpse of a nation. I will travel there and join the common defense of free men standing against tyrants, and any price I must pay in that act will be worth-while.

Tallulah
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Tallulah

Meanwhile, the state of UTAH is SUING the Federal Government for Acting Like an environmentalist law (proposed by a New York congressperson, apparently) is actually a Law that has been passed already … when it hasn’t been passed. The Bureau of Land Management, under the Fascists’ instructions, is denying right of way to roads, denying drilling permits, etc., in a ten-million acre parcel of land, apparently following the dictates of the un-passed environmental law. I love nature: I’m in favor of preserving wilderness and not unnecessarily trashing God’s creation. But this stretch of land is really out in the middle… Read more »

Tallulah
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Tallulah

BTW, do any of you remember ANY states suing the federal government when George Bush was in charge? Did I just miss something?

angrywebmaster
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rickl @ #:

Seriously, I’m afraid of a Constitutional Convention. What makes anybody think today’s political class can improve on what the Founders gave us?

What makes you think the political class will be allowed to participate?
:em07:

In any case, I’ve heard that the states, when passing the enabling legislation for a CC, can limit the CC to only consider the draft amendments. They can’t add or remove new ones.

I have no idea if this is true or not.
:em03:

LC Ogrrre - Imperial Heartless Bastard
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… leaving the states with no choice but to sever their ties with a government that is no longer governing with their consent …

According to a recent Rasmussen poll, only 22% of respondents said the government had the consent of the governed.

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
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Secondmouse says:

No Constitutional Convention. We don’t have a design issue. We have a problem with execution, which we may have to solve with more. Execution, that is.

:em03:
:em01:

angrywebmaster
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LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician @ #: We should give it a shot I think. How about: 1) term limits for senate, house and judicial with no grandfathering and no benefits once out of office. Once the amendment is ratified, they pack up and get out. 2) Restore senatorial elections back to the state legislatures with a recall provision if they screw up. Maybe add a recall provision for federal judges like some states have. 3) rewrite the commerce clause limiting it only to ensuring the smooth flow of goods, services and information between the states. Federal govt still… Read more »

LCSgtmech
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LCSgtmech

About time to bring the old warrior out of hibernation…and it ain’t gonna be pretty.

Darth Venomous
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3) rewrite the commerce clause limiting it only to ensuring the smooth flow of goods, services and information between the states. Federal govt still handles international trade agreements. (This will need careful writing)

5) Rewrite Article VI such that no treaty shall ever – ever – violate a tenet of the new constitution. The Constitution to be the Supreme Law of the Land, and that’s it. Inferior laws and/or treaties to be crafted accordingly.

angrywebmaster
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Darth Venomous @ #:

Rewrite Article VI such that no treaty shall ever – ever – violate a tenet of the new constitution. The Constitution to be the Supreme Law of the Land, and that’s it. Inferior laws and/or treaties to be crafted accordingly.

Thanks, I forgot about that. looks like we’re working on the next ten bill of rights. Or do we want to call it the bill of restrictions?

LC Ogrrre - Imperial Heartless Bastard
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I agree with Venomous: no treaty with any country or organization may violate the Constitution, nor may a treaty amend the Constitution. Also a balanced budget clause that prohibits Congress from raising taxes to balance the budget. Any new taxes and all increases in tax rates must be passed by 2/3 majority of both houses, then must be ratified by 2/3 majority vote of the citizens who will be required to pay the tax. A budget clause that if Congress does not pass a budget by a specific immutable date, the entire federal government, with the exception of those functions… Read more »

Mattexian
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I’m more in favor of secession, especially for Texas! It’s an Olympic Games year again, and I’m tired of watching as pissant little islands that are smaller than Galveston get to march and have a team (of two players, and a borrowed flagbearer), while Texans have to participate with the rest of the uS’s players, under their flag, instead of our own. One of my coworkers is moving next week to New Fucking York, and I warned her that the next time she comes back to visit, she might need a passport!

LC Gladiator
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LC Gladiator

Congress may not make a law that applies to the people but not to Congress.

Congress may not give itself a pay increase in the current session, and any future increases must pass with a 75% Super Majority

Any Congressperson who cannot attend at least 75% of official sessions must step down. (No more brain dead Tim Johnsons or Gabby Giffords holding a seat)

LC Gladiator
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LC Gladiator

Line item veto

No more earmarks

angrywebmaster
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Just a minor aside. I have a racist commie who has crapped in my comments section. Anyone care to virtually punch Comrade Cortney in the face?

http://angry.net/blog2/?p=8336#comment-577549834

http://angry.net/blog2/?p=8336

Fa Cube Itches
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Fa Cube Itches

If Seccession comes, just remember to raise a small obelisk commemorating those of us trapped behind enemy lines who went John Mosby/John Hunt Morgan/William Quantrill for as long as we could.

Fa Cube Itches
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Fa Cube Itches

HempRopeAndStreetlight @ #: “I pledge my life, my limbs, fortune, and my honor in defense of any state that leaves this festering corpse of a nation. I will travel there and join the common defense of free men standing against tyrants, and any price I must pay in that act will be worth-while.” What if the state leaves because we aren’t Lefty enough? Some idiots tried to start a secession drive in one of the New England states during the Jorge Bush years for that very reason. In the end, I suspect Secession or Balkanization is inevitable – we just… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
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Fa Cube Itches

angrywebmaster @ #:

“In any case, I’ve heard that the states, when passing the enabling legislation for a CC, can limit the CC to only consider the draft amendments. They can’t add or remove new ones.”

Good luck with that. The original one was only to revise the Articles of Confederation, not scrap and replace. Any new one would likely do the same.

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
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When TSHTF,, I hope they’re as willing to surrender to us for peace’s sake as they are/were for all the other scumbags.

angrywebmaster
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Fa Cube Itches @ #: Good luck with that. The original one was only to revise the Articles of Confederation, not scrap and replace. Any new one would likely do the same. Yup and even the new constitution way back when had to be voted on by the states, just as any new amendments would have to be now. We also have far better communications then we did back then too. If the ConCon tried to slip something through people would know. Something else I’ve heard, and again can’t say for sure, is that the ConCon doesn’t actually need to… Read more »

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
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BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)

To hell with us seceding from them, let’s kick their asses out. I say we give the Left either: a) California, or b) lower New York, New Jersey, and the Delaware/Maryland isthmus, and tell them to pack their shit and create their own little socialist utopia in their new country. If they choose (b), we’ll relocate the Statue of Liberty to the west bank of the Potomac. In 10 years, we’ll reclaim their chosen area after it collapses and implodes. Any survivors of the area will be put on display in a zoo to remind everyone what brain-dead humans look… Read more »

angrywebmaster
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I just saw something that looks interesting. Arizona Initiative would let voters overrule federal law

I think the push back is starting to take off. I suspect that more and more states are going to assert their 10th amendment rights no matter what those clowns on the USSC say.