Ogabe Junta Insists That Tax That Was Only Upheld Because It Was A Tax (Even Though Same Junta Had Repeatedly Insisted That It Wasn’t A Tax, Except When They Were In Court, Where They Argued That It WAS A Tax, Except When It Wasn’t), Is NOT, In Fact, A Tax.

Yes. His Imperial Majesty’s head is spinning too with all of the sophistry that was employed by Benedict Arnold in his “brilliantly conservative” ruling, but we didn’t write it, so don’t look at us that way.

Anyway, thanks to LC Cheapshot, we learn that Carney Barker is now busy insisting that the tax that isn’t or is a tax, depending on who you ask and when, is now no longer a tax.

“You can call it what you want. If you read the opinion, it is not a broad-based tax,” he said, stressing that the “penalty” would affect 1 percent of the population, based on CBO estimates. “It’s a penalty because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?”

Ouch. Where to begin? Well, if you do read the opinion, which Jay Carney Barker obviously hasn’t (there’s not a comic book version of it out yet), then you’ll clearly find that it was upheld because it was seen to be a tax, in spite of it nowhere in the actual legislation being referred to as a tax. But that’s the bottom line: Unless it’s a tax, it’s unconstitutional per Roberts et al. So there.

But why stop here?

Carney the Clown: You can take your 1% estimate and shove it up your butt once you get your master to pull his wedding tackle out of your amply reamed rectum. We have no idea what they base that 1% on, if they even have such an estimate, but it would have to be an assumption that 99% of Americans are mentally impaired. If the “penalty” tax + their expected health care costs add up to a number that is less than the premiums they’d have to pay for insurance, then they’re blithering idiots if they sign up for insurance, as they can otherwise just pay the “penalty” tax and sign up for insurance the moment they’re faced with high health care costs. Under the ACA, insurance companies can’t turn them down at that point.

Also, you actually DO have a choice when it comes to paying your taxes. You have several, in fact. You just may not like the consequences if you choose to “opt out”, which can just as easily be said for the consequences of “opting out” of OgabeTaxCare. It’s a distinction without a difference.

It’s a tax. And you and your master just enacted the biggest one in the history of the United States.

It’s a TAX, Motherfuckers! Eat it!

Thatisall.

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Tallulah
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Tallulah

Last night a CNN newsreader hag was positively crowing that obozo has been UNLEASHED by this ruling to finally get ALL THE THINGS DONE that he wants to do.

UNLEASHED.

This is going to be such a galactic clusterfuck.

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
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Tallulah says:

This is going to be such a galactic clusterfuck.

Uhm, yeah. At what point to date has it not been?

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
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BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)

Go easy on Deej, Misha … he’s reading from last month’s talking points.

LC hilljohnny
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LC hilljohnny

so…. if only 1% will be affected by the no insurance tax, does this mean they have been lieing about how many people do not have insurance?

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
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My reply to Gaspard after he so unprofessionally and disgustingly tweeted: It’s constitutional. Bitches.

It’s a TAX, you lying sack of rhinoceros vomit!

The tweet was promptly deleted. Are you shocked?

0007
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0007

So lemme see here, DJ. Assuming an annual income of $45,000/ year, and that currently med/ins costs = ~$5,000/ year, .025 X $45,000 = $1125 non-tax/penalty for not buying insurance. $5,000 – $1125 = $3,875 savings. Even a lib such as yourself should be able to figure that math. ‘Course after everybody who can do simple math figures that out, in a couple of years there won’t be anymore private insurance companies writing med/ins – especially with the pre-existing conditions thingy. So we will all be able to enjoy the kind of medical care they get in Canada, (formerly)Great Britain,… Read more »

FrankOK
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LC hilljohnny says:

so…. if only 1% will be affected by the no insurance tax, does this mean they have been lieing about how many people do not have insurance?

:em01:

FrankOK
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Because the wifey works in the health insurance “industry”, I get a little bit different slant on the Kenyan Insurance Scam™ than do others. Let’s take a trip down memory lane. On 16 June 1933, the Glass-Steagal Act was enacted. This act, amongst its other functions, disallowed banking, insurance, and brokerages from mixing it up and becoming a large comglomerate. Glass was repealed by the Gramm – Leach – Bliley Act of 1999 and signed into law by Billy Jeff. Over time, these monsters have consolidated their power and stranglehold on the Federal Government as evidenced by the Investment Banking… Read more »

FrankOK
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Perhaps this will help …

http://www.guffsturdpolish.com/index.html

:em05:

Cannon Fodder
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Cannon Fodder

Can we, as Americans, nor take the fed to court and force them to give us value back for such a tax? WE pay property taxes that give us value back. We get fire protection from a portion. The fire department can’t refuse us service since we paid for the service with taxes. Wasn’t there an incident recently where a mans house was allowed to burn solely because he didn’t pay his share? Our kids are allowed to go to public schools because we pay taxes for that. I believe the type of tax they will be imposing should require… Read more »

FrankOK
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Cannon Fodder says: Can we, as Americans, nor take the fed to court and force them to give us value back for such a tax? WE pay property taxes that give us value back. We get fire protection from a portion. The fire department can’t refuse us service since we paid for the service with taxes. Wasn’t there an incident recently where a mans house was allowed to burn solely because he didn’t pay his share? Our kids are allowed to go to public schools because we pay taxes for that. I believe the type of tax they will be… Read more »

LC FX Phillips
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LC FX Phillips

SCOTUS has made the legal bed and Obama must lie in it. Remember Obama’s mouthpiece argued the dubious proposition of the “taxing power” to be part of the rational for upholding this fiasco and it was his ideological henchmen (Kagan, Breyer, Sotomayor and Ginsburg-3 “chicks” and a metrosexual I’ll leave it to the reader to sort out who’s who) who validated its tax-iness. The only way Obamacare has been deemed legal is as a tax. To continue to insist it is not a tax is to cede that he has openly embraced a position not upheld by SCOTUS and thus… Read more »

Mark12A
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Seriously, what do I get in return for all the tax money I spend that goes toward welfare, section 8, LINK cards, and that sort of cost? Apparently an increasingly demanding and violent recipient class.

FrankOK
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Mark12A says:

Seriously, what do I get in return for all the tax money I spend that goes toward welfare, section 8, LINK cards, and that sort of cost? Apparently an increasingly demanding and violent recipient class.

Re: the “violent recipient class” – we all should have many rounds of the “Surplus Russian Ammo” by now – wouldn’t it be a kick in the ass if stuff from our Cold War friends helped the Patriot cause?

LC Xystus
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FrankOK: I don’t want to be first. Nor does any other American citizen. First? First to–what? Stand up & fight the enemy like a Judah Maccabeus? As previously noted, I don’t have so much to lose. An outlaw regime deserves a scofflaw people. Goose sauce = gander sauce. But it’d help if we figure out first, before acting, where the opposition’s weakest. Beyond all that there’s this possible Churchillian incentive for a survivor: “History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” Re: the “violent recipient class” – we all should have many rounds of the “Surplus… Read more »

FrankOK
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LC Xystus says:

… snip

. IIRC F. Porreto imagined Israeli commandos eliminating gov’t holdouts.

I really enjoyed that story , When It Came.

My only question, after reading it, was, “Who’s their contact – we need to hire these guys”.

LC SecondMouse
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Doesn’t matter what you call it. If Obamacare is implemented as designed or close to it, it will chase the employers out of the benefits market in a few years. It was designed to do exactly that. I have talked to a number of CEOs about this, and they say that as soon as one of the major employers quits, the rest will rush for the exits. The private insurance market will fold up once enough employers have bailed out, the government will step in to take their places, and we will have ‘backed in to’ a single-payer, government healthcare… Read more »

Special Ed
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Special Ed

re: DJ @#1.

The penalty is indeed, a penalty, to be collected by the IRS as any other tax penalty or fee, as CJ Roberts stated. Health Insurance is the tax, paid to insurance providers. After a couple of years, “health insurance provider” and “federal government” will be synonymous, I reckon.

LC LOBO
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And it is in truth active. Some ten years ago a bean counting, pencil pushing pile of shit decided that my mom didn’t need to be treated for Hepatitis C. Because she was poor, white, childless….. Now I set in a hospital room and watch her die. As her kidneys, gallbladder, heart, lungs, all fail. All because some bean counter looked at her age, and compared it to some “breeder” with 8 kids……. Now I get to be in that hell that I had hoped would never happen. I can only pray that for those of us here, that you… Read more »

LC Roguetek
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LC Roguetek

DJ – one question.

By what right does the government see fit to tax/fine/penealize me simply for being alive?

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
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Well, Mittens says it’s a tax.

Still wanna support that festering piece of shit just because he’s a Republican?

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
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Emperor Misha I @ #:

Technically, that wasn’t directed at you, in particular, bro. 🙂

I can’t do it. I can’t push that button for Mittens. I hate Zero with a passion, but I cannot bring myself to put Zero lite in the White House. I just can’t.

I weep for this nation. I cry every day!!

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
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Misha and Nicki If I may intrude and put a few thoughts in this. If I may not, just tell me to FO and no hard feelings. While I obviously do not know either of you as well as you know each other; and there is a definite risk in getting involved in brother-sister fights [even if it is brother and sister by choice and not blood]; I think I understand where both are coming from. My thoughts. I. Buraq Hussein Obama, if such is his real name, is not the legitimate president of the United States. Even if the… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
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LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @ #: This is hardly a debate or even an argument, friend. Mish and I understand one another like no other people, so even minor disagreements such as this are not… If that makes any sense. I have spoken to several State Department people in the know about this particular issue of being a natural born citizen. As long as Zero’s mummy was a citizen of these United States at the time of his hatching, he is a citizen. My son was born on German soil – in a German hospital – and issued… Read more »