Ogabe Junta Insists That Tax That Was Only Upheld Because It Was A Tax (Even Though Same Junta Had Repeatedly Insisted That It Wasn’t A Tax, Except When They Were In Court, Where They Argued That It WAS A Tax, Except When It Wasn’t), Is NOT, In Fact, A Tax.

Yes. His Imperial Majesty’s head is spinning too with all of the sophistry that was employed by Benedict Arnold in his “brilliantly conservative” ruling, but we didn’t write it, so don’t look at us that way.

Anyway, thanks to LC Cheapshot, we learn that Carney Barker is now busy insisting that the tax that isn’t or is a tax, depending on who you ask and when, is now no longer a tax.

“You can call it what you want. If you read the opinion, it is not a broad-based tax,” he said, stressing that the “penalty” would affect 1 percent of the population, based on CBO estimates. “It’s a penalty because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?”

Ouch. Where to begin? Well, if you do read the opinion, which Jay Carney Barker obviously hasn’t (there’s not a comic book version of it out yet), then you’ll clearly find that it was upheld because it was seen to be a tax, in spite of it nowhere in the actual legislation being referred to as a tax. But that’s the bottom line: Unless it’s a tax, it’s unconstitutional per Roberts et al. So there.

But why stop here?

Carney the Clown: You can take your 1% estimate and shove it up your butt once you get your master to pull his wedding tackle out of your amply reamed rectum. We have no idea what they base that 1% on, if they even have such an estimate, but it would have to be an assumption that 99% of Americans are mentally impaired. If the “penalty” tax + their expected health care costs add up to a number that is less than the premiums they’d have to pay for insurance, then they’re blithering idiots if they sign up for insurance, as they can otherwise just pay the “penalty” tax and sign up for insurance the moment they’re faced with high health care costs. Under the ACA, insurance companies can’t turn them down at that point.

Also, you actually DO have a choice when it comes to paying your taxes. You have several, in fact. You just may not like the consequences if you choose to “opt out”, which can just as easily be said for the consequences of “opting out” of OgabeTaxCare. It’s a distinction without a difference.

It’s a tax. And you and your master just enacted the biggest one in the history of the United States.

It’s a TAX, Motherfuckers! Eat it!

Thatisall.

27 comments

  1. 1
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Last night a CNN newsreader hag was positively crowing that obozo has been UNLEASHED by this ruling to finally get ALL THE THINGS DONE that he wants to do.

    UNLEASHED.

    This is going to be such a galactic clusterfuck.

  2. 2

    Tallulah says:

    This is going to be such a galactic clusterfuck.

    Uhm, yeah. At what point to date has it not been?

  3. 3
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    So was it a tax or not, Deej?

    Because if it isn’t, then it’s unconstitutional and, furthermore, if it isn’t at tax, then perhaps the Junta counsel shouldn’t have argued that it was, except when the question of Anti-Injunction came up, where it suddenly wasn’t one.

    Pick one, for once. It will make you feel better. Is it, or isn’t it?

    Or keep spinning, because it is, quite frankly, amusing.

  4. 4
    BigDogg growls and barks:

    Go easy on Deej, Misha … he’s reading from last month’s talking points.

  5. 5
    LC hilljohnny growls and barks:

    so…. if only 1% will be affected by the no insurance tax, does this mean they have been lieing about how many people do not have insurance?

  6. 6

    My reply to Gaspard after he so unprofessionally and disgustingly tweeted: It’s constitutional. Bitches.

    It’s a TAX, you lying sack of rhinoceros vomit!

    The tweet was promptly deleted. Are you shocked?

  7. 7
    0007 growls and barks:

    So lemme see here, DJ.
    Assuming an annual income of $45,000/ year, and that currently med/ins costs = ~$5,000/ year, .025 X $45,000 = $1125 non-tax/penalty for not buying insurance. $5,000 – $1125 = $3,875 savings. Even a lib such as yourself should be able to figure that math.
    ‘Course after everybody who can do simple math figures that out, in a couple of years there won’t be anymore private insurance companies writing med/ins – especially with the pre-existing conditions thingy.
    So we will all be able to enjoy the kind of medical care they get in Canada, (formerly)Great Britain, France and Cuba, depending on who is running the bureaucracy. And anyone who has had to deal with any .gov agency lately(TSA anyone) knows how THAT will go.
    The only up side here is that (being reasonably healthy) with luck I’ll live long enough to watch all those terminal progs and their families being given the option of the red pill or the blue pill…

  8. 8
    FrankOK growls and barks:

    LC hilljohnny says:

    so…. if only 1% will be affected by the no insurance tax, does this mean they have been lieing about how many people do not have insurance?

    :em01:

  9. 9
    FrankOK growls and barks:

    Because the wifey works in the health insurance “industry”, I get a little bit different slant on the Kenyan Insurance Scam™ than do others.

    Let’s take a trip down memory lane. On 16 June 1933, the Glass-Steagal Act was enacted. This act, amongst its other functions, disallowed banking, insurance, and brokerages from mixing it up and becoming a large comglomerate. Glass was repealed by the Gramm – Leach – Bliley Act of 1999 and signed into law by Billy Jeff.

    Over time, these monsters have consolidated their power and stranglehold on the Federal Government as evidenced by the Investment Banking Bailouts (begun during the Bush II admin with the former CEO of Goldman-Sachs as Secretary of the Treasury and completed by Timothy Dinglefuck during the Kenyan admin.

    Back to the wife’s observations. In her corner of the earth, it’s rather evident big money (the aforementioned banking, insurance, and brokerage clusterfuck) WANTS this clusterfuck to take root because of the profits and because it will effectively put those in the industry on a smaller scale out of business – clearing the way for higher profits. Since business and the country’s moneychangers (the Infernal Revenue Disservice) are obviously already in bed (bailouts), why not get the IRS involved in collections? That completes the connections.

    “Demoncrats” and “Republicans” ceased to exist quite a few years ago – the two parties are one in the same, ie, both existing to exploit the citizen. The only difference is in their approach and who the devils try to appeal to in order to get into elected office.

    The one and only way to stop it, boys and girls is …

    I don’t want to be first. Nor does any other American citizen.

  10. 10
    FrankOK growls and barks:

    Perhaps this will help …

    http://www.guffsturdpolish.com/index.html

    :em05:

  11. 11
    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    Can we, as Americans, nor take the fed to court and force them to give us value back for such a tax? WE pay property taxes that give us value back. We get fire protection from a portion. The fire department can’t refuse us service since we paid for the service with taxes. Wasn’t there an incident recently where a mans house was allowed to burn solely because he didn’t pay his share? Our kids are allowed to go to public schools because we pay taxes for that.

    I believe the type of tax they will be imposing should require value in return. That is just how I feel anyway.

  12. 12
    FrankOK growls and barks:

    Cannon Fodder says:

    Can we, as Americans, nor take the fed to court and force them to give us value back for such a tax? WE pay property taxes that give us value back. We get fire protection from a portion. The fire department can’t refuse us service since we paid for the service with taxes. Wasn’t there an incident recently where a mans house was allowed to burn solely because he didn’t pay his share? Our kids are allowed to go to public schools because we pay taxes for that.

    I believe the type of tax they will be imposing should require value in return. That is just how I feel anyway.

    Giving something of value in return is totally against their religion of green and besides – they’ve got your furry posterior exactly where they want it – why should “they” give you anything?

    Nothing needs be justified at this point, many “thanks” to the Chief Justice.

  13. 13
    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    SCOTUS has made the legal bed and Obama must lie in it.

    Remember Obama’s mouthpiece argued the dubious proposition of the “taxing power” to be part of the rational for upholding this fiasco and it was his ideological henchmen (Kagan, Breyer, Sotomayor and Ginsburg-3 “chicks” and a metrosexual I’ll leave it to the reader to sort out who’s who) who validated its tax-iness.

    The only way Obamacare has been deemed legal is as a tax. To continue to insist it is not a tax is to cede that he has openly embraced a position not upheld by SCOTUS and thus unconstitutional. And by doing so he openly violates his oath of office.

    For Obama it is a choice: legalized dishonest tax raiser or more true to his behavior, lawless punk.

    The cool thing is because it has been ruled as a tax it can be repealed through budget reconciliation thus avoiding cloture in a senate where not only are not the Party of Stupid going to get 60 seats but they have to overcome the reach across the aisle numb skulls led by John McCain et. al.

    From a political point of view the terrain is not impassable from a legal and intellectual point of view through the Dread Pirate Roberts mental effluvium , overt sophistry and lack of integrity(the man should be impeached for this clear act of judicial fraud) the constitution may have suffered a fatal blow.

  14. 14
    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Seriously, what do I get in return for all the tax money I spend that goes toward welfare, section 8, LINK cards, and that sort of cost? Apparently an increasingly demanding and violent recipient class.

  15. 15
    FrankOK growls and barks:

    Mark12A says:

    Seriously, what do I get in return for all the tax money I spend that goes toward welfare, section 8, LINK cards, and that sort of cost? Apparently an increasingly demanding and violent recipient class.

    Re: the “violent recipient class” – we all should have many rounds of the “Surplus Russian Ammo” by now – wouldn’t it be a kick in the ass if stuff from our Cold War friends helped the Patriot cause?

  16. 16
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    FrankOK:

    I don’t want to be first. Nor does any other American citizen.

    First? First to–what? Stand up & fight the enemy like a Judah Maccabeus? As previously noted, I don’t have so much to lose. An outlaw regime deserves a scofflaw people. Goose sauce = gander sauce. But it’d help if we figure out first, before acting, where the opposition’s weakest. Beyond all that there’s this possible Churchillian incentive for a survivor: “History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” :em01:

    Re: the “violent recipient class” – we all should have many rounds of the “Surplus Russian Ammo” by now – wouldn’t it be a kick in the ass if stuff from our Cold War friends helped the Patriot cause?

    Something similar has occurred to me. Comrade Pooty-Poot may well see providing firepower to unhappy Usonians as very much in his interest, as it’ll help keep his main foreign rival occupied. Some other powers might also be interested. IIRC F. Porreto imagined Israeli commandos eliminating gov’t holdouts.

  17. 17
    FrankOK growls and barks:

    LC Xystus says:

    … snip

    . IIRC F. Porreto imagined Israeli commandos eliminating gov’t holdouts.

    I really enjoyed that story , When It Came.

    My only question, after reading it, was, “Who’s their contact – we need to hire these guys”.

  18. 18
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    Doesn’t matter what you call it. If Obamacare is implemented as designed or close to it, it will chase the employers out of the benefits market in a few years. It was designed to do exactly that. I have talked to a number of CEOs about this, and they say that as soon as one of the major employers quits, the rest will rush for the exits. The private insurance market will fold up once enough employers have bailed out, the government will step in to take their places, and we will have ‘backed in to’ a single-payer, government healthcare system that will approximate Medicaid for everyone.

    After that, anyone who can afford it will fly to India for major surgery rather than wait for months. The rest of us will wait seven hours for an ambulance we’ve called for a heart attack victim, drug development in the US will effectively cease, and you will have to get permission from a half-dozen government employees to get your prescriptions refilled.

    Remember, the libs tried to get a single-payer system passed in Clinton’s early years, and the country freaked out. They learned from that, so to get it done this time, they had to create a backdoor way to do it with legislation that was sold as a way to give more people coverage. What it really does is set strong financial incentives to force employers and insurers out of the healthcare marketplace, which it will do, I guarandamntee it.

  19. 19
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Secondmouse says:

    Remember, the libs tried to get a single-payer system passed in Clinton’s early years, and the country freaked out. They learned from that, so to get it done this time, they had to create a backdoor way to do it with legislation that was sold as a way to give more people coverage. What it really does is set strong financial incentives to force employers and insurers out of the healthcare marketplace, which it will do, I guarandamntee it.

    THIS!

    It’s how the fascist swine always do it when they can’t get it done through honest means. Create a crisis, then jump in when the planned results make people scream “something needs to be DONE!”

  20. 20
    Special Ed growls and barks:

    re: DJ @#1.

    The penalty is indeed, a penalty, to be collected by the IRS as any other tax penalty or fee, as CJ Roberts stated. Health Insurance is the tax, paid to insurance providers. After a couple of years, “health insurance provider” and “federal government” will be synonymous, I reckon.

  21. 21
    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    And it is in truth active. Some ten years ago a bean counting, pencil pushing pile of shit decided that my mom didn’t need to be treated for Hepatitis C. Because she was poor, white, childless….. Now I set in a hospital room and watch her die. As her kidneys, gallbladder, heart, lungs, all fail. All because some bean counter looked at her age, and compared it to some “breeder” with 8 kids…….
    Now I get to be in that hell that I had hoped would never happen. I can only pray that for those of us here, that you never have to do this.

  22. 22
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    DJ – one question.

    By what right does the government see fit to tax/fine/penealize me simply for being alive?

  23. 23

    Well, Mittens says it’s a tax.

    Still wanna support that festering piece of shit just because he’s a Republican?

  24. 24
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    Still wanna support that festering piece of shit just because he’s a Republican?

    No, sestrichka, never did.

    Never wanted to support him for any reason, actually.

    I’m only pulling the lever for him in order to flip Ogabe the Hemorrhoid off, because I hate that rat scum bastard more than anything in the world and will do anything, anything to get his ass fired and sent back to the Chicago shithole he came from.

    Then, when Mittens moves in, the real fun begins as I get to let go with both barrels on that RINO fucktard every single day of the week and twice on Sundays.

  25. 25

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    Technically, that wasn’t directed at you, in particular, bro. 🙂

    I can’t do it. I can’t push that button for Mittens. I hate Zero with a passion, but I cannot bring myself to put Zero lite in the White House. I just can’t.

    I weep for this nation. I cry every day!!

  26. 26
    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    Misha and Nicki

    If I may intrude and put a few thoughts in this. If I may not, just tell me to FO and no hard feelings.

    While I obviously do not know either of you as well as you know each other; and there is a definite risk in getting involved in brother-sister fights [even if it is brother and sister by choice and not blood]; I think I understand where both are coming from.

    My thoughts.

    I. Buraq Hussein Obama, if such is his real name, is not the legitimate president of the United States. Even if the obviously bogus birth certificate he released is 100% true [and it isn’t] under the terms of Minor -v- Happersett, which I have discussed here; where the Supreme Court clearly defined “Natural Born Citizen”, he is handily disqualified as his father was a foreign national at the time of Obama’s birth [hatching, mitosis, fermentation, or just plain rotting] and for his entire life. He has acted as an enemy of this country, its people, and most especially its Constitution. He has governed outside that Constitution and the law since he took his hand off of the Bible [probably because touching it burned him]. He and his administration regime have oppressed our people and stolen our treasury.

    II. The level of contempt that he has shown in the past couple of months while claiming [without opposition, kyrie eleison] the power to create law by decree, to suspend law by decree, and to do it at will favoring some groups and not others at whim,ignoring Congress and the Courts at will; indicates that he very well believes that the fix is in. I think he plans to either be re-elected by criminal actions or by suspending elections. I personally give it a 50% probability that we will NOT have free, fair, and honest elections. Others’ Mileage May Vary.

    III. If the elections are suspended or cancelled; The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
    — Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    It will be on, and we know where our duty lies. And I have faith that the majority of our Oathkeepers in uniform will know their duty, and which side to be on.

    IV. If the elections are stolen, it will still be on. But there will be question as to which side the military will be on, because there will be questions as to who is the legitimate government. Over time it will become apparent, and there will be no further chance for us to vote under Obama; because he dare not allow it. But the time will allow his regime to further entrench itself.

    V. If Obama actually wins [ possible, still possible], we have not seen anything yet. The closest thing to what will happen will be China in 1949-1952. There will not be further elections, and it will eventually be on, but the military will be split as to which is the legitimate side to be on until conditions become unbearable.

    VI. Willard Mitt Romney is not my first choice. Or second. Or third. ad nauseum. He is not a Conservative by any stretch of the imagination. On a good day, with a downhill run, and a blazing tailwind he is an Institutional Republican. But if he is elected, on that happy day in January either he will be inaugurated, or Obama will obviously be illegitimately trying to hold on to power. And our military, our Oathkeepers, will have no question where their duty lies and we will remove the bastard. If Obama loses the election and is removed from office, there will be civil disorder as the Democrats riot. And there will be no doubt as to which side is not legitimate. Suppression will be legitimate.

    VII. Romney in office will not do much to turn the country back towards freedom. AT ALL. His presence will serve only as a placeholder, and possibly make sure that our Oathkeepers act properly and expeditiously. If Romney is elected, for me I will be spending the next few days reducing the world supply of Laphroaig and burning joss sticks to whichever Deity is turning the crank that week. I suspect that after the election and before the inauguration Obama will be doing as much damage to the country as he can. And we will be …. preoccupied. The day after the inauguration [and actually probably starting when Congress meets a bit earlier] we need to be working for the creation of first a strong Conservative Caucus in Congress and then converting it into the basis for a separate TEA Party.

    The Institutional Republicans will not take on the Left. That is our job. And incidentally, taking on the Left will involve taking on the Institutionals. So be it. We will do what we have to do, and I have no problem with separating from the Institutionals. But that can be done on this side of the Clausewitzian “=” sign.

    Short form:

    Obama suspends elections, things get kinetic, and the military is quickly on our side meaning we win.
    Obama cheats and wins, things eventually get kinetic, but there will be a period when the military will have to make a decision on legitimacy that will not be good for our side, and may involve blue on blue combat.
    There are real elections and Obama wins, things eventually get kinetic, but the delay will have even worse results than above.
    There are real elections and Obama loses, things will be kinetic from the other side, but the military is quickly and surely on our side.

    I count the concept of real elections, Obama losing, and the Democrats and other Leftists accepting the vote as being an outlier.

    Note that I am not an optimist. The forecast is fair to partly shitty, with scattered pure shit. And deep drifts. The optimistic case still involves civil disorder.

    There are two variables inter-related. How well Romney does, and how fast and completely our military Oathkeepers react.

    The better Romney does, and the more apparent it is as election day approaches, the more likely that the military will stand with their Oath quickly when Obama tries something.

    Victory will go to the side that the military backs once it gets kinetic. To ensure quick and complete victory AND to avoid fraternal violence in the armed forces that only benefits Obama; Romney has to be as strong as possible.

    Best case scenario:

    Romney is so far ahead that cheating is pointless as it will be obvious. Obama will either let the election go forth or will attempt to suspend it. Suspending it means the military sides with the Constitution and the Left is discredited, reducing us to a one front war against the Institutionals.

    I make custom T-shirts that are politically incorrect. One that is already printed has a picture of a nose with a clothespin on it. The text is, “VOTE 2012. That way you can say ‘you tried’ when the violence starts.”

    I will vote for Romney, not out of any expectation of him being a decent president; but to prepare the battlefield for what is to come, biasing things against the usurper. I will not vote for ANY Democrats, for we have seen in the last 3 1/2 years there is no such thing as a Democrat in office at any level who loves the country and Constitution. I will not vote for Republicans who are wastes of protoplasm, and there are a bunch of them. We do what we can, where we are, with what we have.

    “And only the Great Blue Sky Tengri Nor knows what the outcome will be.”

    I humbly await chastisement by His Majesty and Nicki.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

  27. 27

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @ #:

    This is hardly a debate or even an argument, friend. Mish and I understand one another like no other people, so even minor disagreements such as this are not… If that makes any sense.

    I have spoken to several State Department people in the know about this particular issue of being a natural born citizen. As long as Zero’s mummy was a citizen of these United States at the time of his hatching, he is a citizen. My son was born on German soil – in a German hospital – and issued an international birth certificate – to two American citizens. He was then issued a consular report of birth abroad, which makes him a citizen of the United States – natural born.

    This whole discussion about Zero’s citizenship is moot – at least for me. I have a hard time believing that Zero, his minions and the ENTIRE intelligence community were somehow complicit in a conspiracy to hide Zero’s ineligibility to be President. The IC is pretty vast. I cannot imagine that is possible.

    But again… back to Mittens. He’s fathered this “government can tell citizens what they must purchase” idea. According to Carla Howell, who is very active in Massachusetts politics, Mittens fathered this idea. He hatched it and ushered it into being. There wasn’t even the excuse that the libtarded legislature would have passed something worse had Mittens not signed RomneyCare into law. This thing was entirely his. This is a man who believes that a government – albeit on a state level, not a federal level – has the authority to force us to purchase a product. FUCK THAT!

    No.

    He is a flip-flopping, opportunistic swine, whose nomination comes down to “It’s my turn now.” Notice how well that worked for McShitstain last year.

    :em08: