We Guess That’s It Then

Goodbye, America. It was a nice run while it lasted, but it’s time to tell the band to pack up, fill in the hole and chisel the date into the tombstone.

United States of America
1776-2012

The end.

She’s dead. Now it’s up to us if we’re up to building something to replace her, but first we need to take the trash out.

Thatisall.

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LC Jackboot IC/A
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That pretty much sums it up for me too. The country is asystolic.

angrywebmaster
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He Taketh away and he giveth back big time.

The majority have now said that congress can pass a tax for any reason on anything. Furthermore, who will be getting this money? It will be the insurance companies, for as long as they stay in business. (Part two is their annihilation)

And I just posted on the other thread that since they declared this a tax, this may still be unconstitutional. As I recall, all tax bills originate in the house and NOT the senate. Didn’t this piece of drek come out of the senate?

KArnold
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Third box failed. Does this mean it’s time to move to the fourth box?

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
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I’m not in the mood to build fucking anything.

I’m past giving a fuck. Let them sink this country into the muck if socialism, kill it off completely, riots in the streets and starving people. They vote for this shit time and time again, so they fucking deserve it.

I withdraw. I’m done.

I certainly won’t help the establishment by voting for Romney, because frankly, it doesn’t fucking matter. Hell, he was the one who came up with this lunacy in the fucking first place! And I’m not helping the same old shit win by participating in this sham of a process.

Fuckitall

Physics Geek
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Repeal is a fucking sick joke as well. 60 seats,

I would beg to differ with you, Misha. Since it has been declared a TAX, this can be repealed via reconciliation, much like the way in which is was passed, with only 51 votes (50 + Veep, if not Joeplugs).

Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan
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Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says: I’m not in the mood to build fucking anything. I’m past giving a fuck. Let them sink this country into the muck if socialism, kill it off completely, riots in the streets and starving people. They vote for this shit time and time again, so they fucking deserve it. I withdraw. I’m done. I certainly won’t help the establishment by voting for Romney, because frankly, it doesn’t fucking matter. Hell, he was the one who came up with this lunacy in the fucking first place! And I’m not helping the same old shit… Read more »

LibraryGryffon
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KArnold beat me to it. Though I would argue that the ballot box has one more chance. If it fails in November, then we’ll see. 8( Of course I’ve got my baby sister trying to argue that health care is a “right”. I’ve asked her how we guarantee that right, without forcing people to provide the service in question. Because forcing people to do a job is removing their rights. She hasn’t answered yet, but I hope it gives her and her friends something to think about. She’s not stupid, nor evil, just young enough, and in an academic environment.… Read more »

Fa Cube Itches
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Fa Cube Itches

KArnold @ #:

Nope, that will never happen. Passive acceptance is the order of the day. Expect much GOP speechifying followed by “This is not the hill to die on.” :em02:

Physics Geek
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It could. Do you see it actually happening? No, I don’t either.

I’m just stating the mathematics, not the likelihood.

LC MaxMomFL
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What to do:
1. Get on your knees.
2. Repent.
3. Pray for our nation.
4. Ephesians 6:13 “… put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything,to…
5. stand.

Terrapod
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Terrapod

Fookin Donks are now running and hiding from the Holder contempt vote. They are trying to pull a Wisconsin by means of dereliction of duty.

Bloody bunch of stinking slime mold and that with apologies to real slime mold. I hope these bastiches get swept out of office big time. Anyone with a D – vote for his opponent even if it is Mickey Mouse.

Yasherka
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Yasherka

I am sick to my stomach.

The Supreme Court has upheld the grossly unconstitutional Obamacare. What this means is that they have said the Constitution puts no limits whatsoever on the power of government. That the Constitution has no real purpose anymore.

As of this morning, we are no longer a Constitutional Representative Republic. We are a Soviet model Oligarchy.

Welcome fellow Proletariat, to the USSA.

My wife and newborn twins will be moved back to Russia to be with the in-laws, and live in what will be a more free country (in a few years). I will stay here and prepare.

LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole
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I agree with Nikki. FUCK.IT.ALL. My tactical view is that 1) we have our next John David Souter Roberts sitting on the Court or 2) Obongo the Kenyon Klingon Fucker™ has something on Roberts and made him a “a deal couldn’t refuse”. Either way we no longer are a Republic of laws but of gangsters. And as for TT, no offense brother but this bullshit of “wait until next election” no longer works. Vote for Romney? It’s now like voting to be slaughtered by Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers. The results will still be the fucking same just the method… Read more »

VAconservative
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VAconservative

I would beg to differ with you, Misha. Since it has been declared a TAX, this can be repealed via reconciliation, much like the way in which is was passed, with only 51 votes (50 + Veep, if not Joeplugs).

Sorry Geek. You’d still need 60 to get past a filibuster to get anything passed in the Senate to get to reconciliation. And unless you had more than 60 that didn’t include the likes of Snowe, Collins and the rest of the RINO’s, it will not happen

T
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T

Sorry, Misha, Nicki, etc… OK, We lost this battle. Wars don’t all go to the good guys – I ain’t tellin ya different. Our “leaders” (and I DO HONEST TO THE GOOD LORD say that with a grain of salt roughly the size of Kansas) aren’t inspired, aren’t smart most of the time, and a large part of the time we know – just like many of us who wore the uniform – that they are in WAY over their brass and are doing their level best to bullshit the troops. They know it. We know it. We also know… Read more »

Igor, Imperial Booby
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Igor, Imperial Booby

Sorry, guys, I refuse to give up. Give it 24, 48, or 72 hours to calm down. Then start planning. Am I happy? No. We’re gonna have the SHTF before the American People Get It Right. But we’ll get there.

Never, never, never, never, never, never, NEVER give up!

And box 4 *is* going to be an option.

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
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BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)

Much like some others, my reaction is FUCK IT ALL … if you fucking sheep want to keep voting for these statist assholes who promise you everything but only deliver tax bills, pink slips, and higher costs for everyday living essentials, then you get what you deserve. Watch unemployment skyrocket. Watch fuel and transportation costs skyrocket. Watch doctors retire and expatriate like wildfire. Watch as you have to take a number and wait 7 hours at a government clinic in order to see a healthcare “worker” who has the qualifications of a TSA “agent” and have them tell you that… Read more »

LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.
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So….since it has been deemed a tax, is this the largest tax in our nation’s history?

COMPLETELY owned by the liberals?

LC Gunsniper
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LC Gunsniper

A tax, eh?

Didn’t jugears and his merry band of bolsheviks try to claim the Commerce Clause specifically to avoid the mandate being refered to as a tax?

LC Gladiator
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LC Gladiator

“Let’s talk about Roberts. I’m going to tell you something that you’re not going to hear anywhere else, that you must pay attention to. It’s well known that Roberts, unfortunately for him, has suffered from epileptic seizures. Therefore he has been on medication. Therefore neurologists will tell you that medication used for seizure disorders, such as epilepsy, can introduce mental slowing, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems. And if you look at Roberts’ writings you can the cognitive disassociation in what he is saying,” Michael Savage said on his radio program this evening.

LC Gladiator
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LC Gladiator

Roberts Facing Medical Option on 2nd Seizure Despite his quick recovery from the seizure he suffered on Monday, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. faces a complex diagnosis and a difficult decision. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. leaving Penobscot Bay Medical Center on Tuesday in Rockport, Me. Because the seizure was his second — he had a similar one in 1993 — he meets the criteria for epilepsy, and he and his doctors will have to decide whether he should take medication to prevent further seizures, said neurologists not involved in his care. (Neither the chief justice nor his… Read more »

ebrown2
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Perverted Law Causes Conflict As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose — that it may violate property instead of protecting it — then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious. To know this, it is hardly necessary to examine what transpires in the French and English legislatures; merely… Read more »

LC SecondMouse
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Having read quite a bit of the majority and dissenting opinions, I believe that the Commerce Clause has been dealt a fatal blow by this ruling. It has been mooted in a particularly pernicious way, with a focus not on the framer’s intent, but on semantic atom-smashing. All a future Congress now requires is the will to call a thing a ‘tax’ in order to evade the test. I also come away with a sense that the quality of the construction of the arguments is very different between the majority and dissent. The majority meanders, and clutters arguments with oblique… Read more »

The Lone Haranguer
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The Lone Haranguer

If you vote for Romney, and to elect (or reelect) Republicans to the Senate and House, there might be a 50/50 chance of getting it repealed. Throw a pissy fit, take your marbles and go home, and the chance becomes ZERO.

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
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LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

LC Nicki,
Nash delo prav! Ni shagu nazad! V nasha stranitsa tozhe budet prazdnik!

(For the non-speakers)
Our cause is just! NOt one step back! There will also be a holiday in our street!

LC SecondMouse
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ebrown2 @ #30:

“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the State. They forget that the State lives at the expense of everyone.” – Frédéric Bastiat

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
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LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

LC Gunsniper @ #24:
Easy. Any street monkey knows how to do three card monte. And President Barely Amoeba is still evolving from a Community Organizer.

LC Gladiator @#25, Is it possible that THEY got to him through indirect hints it would be so much better for his young children, if he did the “right thing”? Whatever, Roberts has blotted his copybook, and should go. Likewise the “Wise Latina” and Wiser Wiccan”, both of whom were named to hte bench by The Imposter.

Orion
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For those of you more learned than I – can you explain to me what limits there are, as of now, on the Government’s power? Cuz i can’t see a one. Looks to me like they can coerce compliance with anything they want via a ‘tax penalty’ for those who don’t want to ‘play along’ – Don’t want troops quartered in your home? That’s fine! It’s your right to say no thank you! But, to be FAIR, you’ll have to pay a little tax to cover those who are willing to help the government out. You want to post on… Read more »

Somebody
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Somebody

I’m saying this, they want to force this upon me, bring body bags. I am done with the lieberal left, the rethuglican right. Both sides are traitors to this country.

LC Sir M - Imperial Tobacconist™, K.o.E.
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LC MaxMomFL says:

What to do:
1. Get on your knees.
2. Repent.
3. Pray for our nation.
4. Ephesians 6:13 “… put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything,to…
5. stand.
LC MaxMomFL recently posted..Random Thoughts 5/14/12

Amen to that, sister!

Draven32
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Draven32

Coming soon:

Gun Owners’ Tax of $200 per firearm
Gas Guzzler Tax of $200 per year per mile per gallon that your vehicle is rated under say, 40 mpg
excessive driving tax- a progressive tax based on how much you drive beyond some miniscule amount that some pencil-pusher at the EPA says is ‘enough’
a progressive tax on excessive use of electricity beyond some miniscule amount that some pencil-pusher at the EPA says is ‘enough’
Large Home tax – after all, you only need about 120 sq ft per person, anything more is excessive.

etcetc

Fa Cube Itches
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Fa Cube Itches

Orion @ #:

“can you explain to me what limits there are, as of now, on the Government’s power?”

It is basically only limited by its imagination. At some point, it will be limited by ability to actually pay, but that could still be a good while off, yet.

Draven32
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Draven32

Once the health insurance industry collapses as soon as the main regulations kick in (my roomate is getting taxed for his ‘cadillac health care plan’ that he pays extra for because he is in a g*d-d*mned wheelchair, btw) sure they won’t intentionally be ‘death panels’ but at some point they will decide that care that a doctor would like to give someone is ‘not cost effective’ and someone WILL die. Its simple. As a model for this system, they are going to use an amalgamation of the three government -run mass health care systems that are ‘already working’- namely, MediCare,… Read more »

Draven32
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Draven32

and yeah, i realize that was my longest post here ever. I didnt even get into how it took them FIVE YEARS to remove the bone spurs in my dad’s shoulders. If you want to hear that story, I’ll tell it too.

LibraryGryffon
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Back when my husband was active duty navy, Portsmouth Naval Hospital did its damdest to try and kill our elder daughter. And treated me like an idiot, when I have more medical background than most of the corpsmen and even some of the residents, presumably because I was married to an enlisted man, and we all know that only folks who couldn’t pass a GED marry enlisted men. I figure that if I’m still working for my current employer (I’m actively seeking a new job, for a lot of reasons, but let’s put it this way, after over a hundred… Read more »

LC HJ Caveman82952
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Thank You Big Dogg #22. My sentiments exactly. I have an idea of what I think is coming. The Free Shit Army feeling entitled to the time, effort and money of others by virtue of being an alleged minority. I am actually thank full my wife escaped this shit, for honestly, I would ahve killed some arrogan affirmative action pencil pusher had she been mistreated or neglected. I figure seven bullets, I plan on seven guthshot dirtbags with a .45. We all know of the lowest common denominator, the white liberals have exploited and enslaved them for their own ends.… Read more »

Orion
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You know, I’m curious. If there WERE to be a Civil War – in essence, an active rebellion, how many of you would actually go and fight? And for which side? Let’s say it comes down to Urban/Big-Government/’Living Constitution’ folks vs Rural/Small-Government/’Originalist’ folks.

Orion

LC LOBO
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Orion @ #:
I for one, will not deal with the city fuckers. Unless it is to watch them die. By any means necessary.

LC Xystus
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@54:
What the Emperor said. I haven’t a whole hell of a lot to lose by joining the fight.

Darth Venomous
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Misha, this isn’t 1776 or 1861. I know it sounds all that heroic to talk about it on the internet, but when push comes to shove, you’ll be standing out there alone

No he won’t.

Orion
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Thank you Oh Emperor. DJ, the question was IF there was an active rebellion, not WILL YOU START ONE? And the techniques of asymmetric warfare are pretty well known, and I’d hazard a guess a lot of the folks here have read Gen. Petraus’ manual on COIN and most of us are reasonably technologically savvy anyway. If there ever WAS a rebellion, it’s not going to be the Minutemen standing on the green, nor long lines of guys in blue and grey coats facing off across a mile of open ground. Especially with the parameters I set out. I would… Read more »

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
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so how do we go about fighting this new Civil War? do we form up and march up Pennsylvania Avenue? do we secede and form a new Confederate Army and face the US Army with muskets at 50 yards? armed revolt in this country is impossible, we are too spread out over this great land and it’s too easy to isolate armed pockets of resistance. Sure you can hole up in your home with your friends and dare the authorities to “molon Labe”, one drone strike and you are taken out of the game….. a martyr for the cause….but martyrs… Read more »

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
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Knowing where history is heading in a general way, and predicting what specific act will be the trigger are two different things. And not every act of provocation has the seeds to be the trigger point. But someday one will. I am pretty sure, although I have not gotten my government certified diploma as being a seer on the order of say Jay Carney; that the trigger will be something along the line of either Holder’s goons or OFA’s “unofficial” thugs coming for someone that is NOT viewed by his neighbors as a Koresh or McVeigh, but rather as a… Read more »

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
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VonZorch Imperial Researcher

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An says: Despite my use of the metaphor of “meeting atop Redoubt #10?; I know that most of those who are in at the beginning of the war, if it starts, will not be among those alive at its end. Once again, the power of despair. If you are sure that you are not going to survive, then you can concentrate on making it as expensive as possible for the Enemy to kill you. And sometimes that works, and you do survive while the Enemy doesn’t. But most of the time it does not. It… Read more »

T
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T

DJ – You are a miserable resemblance of a human if you have nothing that you will fight for, that you have nothing and no one so dear you will give your life for it. But then again, your writing has already indicated what a small person you are. As Adams once said “May history forget ye were our kin”. As for me, I know the risks, the rewards and the costs. They have been considered, tabulated and evaluated. I, Misha, the “few others” you acknowledge here, will not be alone. Ever see OathKeepers? Check it out. We are not… Read more »

LC Gladiator
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LC Gladiator

How would a Lib make their utopia happen? I put you in charge today. Make it work. Oh yeah, and make those who don’t want to do anything and can work, work also. I mean, you will have jobs for every able bodied person, so everyone should be motivated to work, right? My cousin ,being a caseworker, has opened my eyes to some truths. Half of her clients legitimately and rightly receive their benefits. Most are able bodied men and women, who even when offered employment, because we have employment services here, turn it down. BUT! they all have the… Read more »

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
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#68 LC Gladiator I know this question was meant for “someone else”; but I expect there may not be a reply. So if I may, here is one form of the outline of the perfect TWANLOC state [ not mine, of course]. Please forgive my intrusion. —————————————————— In the name of the general welfare, to protect the people’s security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the national emergency that: Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
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LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @ #:
Subotai, I will have to differ with number seven. In a TRUE utopia, no one can make any more money than anyone else, regardless of job. To freeze incomes at any level would still be a disparity, if the incomes are unequal.

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
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#70 LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. I said it wasn’t mine. Points 1-8 are DIRECTIVE 10-289 from Ayn Rand’s ATLAS SHRUGGED. I figured it would be recognized. Point 9 was my addition of Chief Justice Robert’s Lex Perfidious as applied to 10-289. The titles of Buraq Hussein are actual titles of Iosif Vissarionovitch Djugashvili [Joseph Stalin] when he ruled the Soviet Union, with the exception of “Great Architect of Unification” being changed from “Great Architect of Communism”, and I added “Scourge of the Nazarenes” and PBUH because, well, look who I’m talking about. With all that, I still see your point;… Read more »