OBAMACARE UPHELD; FIRST REACTIONS TO THE OPENING OF THE LAST ACT

The Supreme Court ruled that while it may be unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause, it is constitutional as a tax. Interestingly, in practice it is a tax that corporations and unions who contribute to the Democratic Party are exempt from. [preceding sentence added after publication -SB] The terms of rule by the government have been turned upside down. Whereas before it was expected that laws and government actions not be in violation of any part of the Constitution to be valid; the new measure of legitimacy, in this the 4th Year of Anno Obama Regnant, is that a law is valid if it can be construed as being constitutional under any tortured reading of any single part of the Constitution.

1) Based on this, anyone who gains power in both Congress and the White House can now do literally anything as long as they call it a tax. This fact will be remembered.

2) The Constitution can no longer be considered a protection from government tyranny, and in fact is functionally moot with a host of future implications.

3) We, as individuals, are about to be crushed by taxes and penalties.

4) The American health care system is gone. We will be left to whatever dregs remain, doled out and rationed by whatever party is in power; just like every other country where health care has been taken over by the government.

5) Any business in this country has to prepare for several contingency plans from this point on; dissolution and bankruptcy, downsizing drastically, moving operations or the company overseas, or moving operations underground. Controls on the movement of capital and currency are coming. As is the growth of the underground economy. Every dollar diverted from government seizure as taxes is now a patriotic act.

6) The split between Left and Right, shorthanded by Democrat and Republican, is now absolute. This was forced through by a Democrat controlled Congress, with no dissent, even by the supposed “moderate” Democrats. If there are ever meaningful elections in this country again; there is no reason for anyone who loves this country, what it was, and what it may yet be again to ever vote for a Democrat in any election at any level ever again. There are no “innocent” Democrats. If they declare themselves to be Democrats, take them at their word. They worship at the altar of absolute government power. If there are not meaningful elections again, and all restraints on government conduct are gone, all bonds of obedience and duty to the government are gone.

This does not mean that the Republicans, who enabled all of this by a refusal to stand and fight the Enemy throughout the last 3 ½ years are in any case “good”. It means that removal of Democrats from every office, at every level, is vital to the survival of the country. If you are bitten by a poisonous reptile and its jaws are still clamped on and the fangs are still pumping venom into your system; the first thing that you do is remove the head and jaws to get the fangs out.

After the Democrats are removed from any position of power; if the Republicans can be forced to do so, the same arrogation of government powers that created Obamacare has to be used to remove it [we cannot bring a knife to a gun fight], and every vestige of unconstitutional acts by the Democratic Party possible from American law, government, and society. If they cannot be so forced, they can go next. I do not expect them to turn against their Democrat colleagues, so we will deal with them when we come to that if we can.

7) The split between Democrat [and their natural allies further to the Left] and Patriot needs to go beyond politics and the current social division. Voter registration is a matter of public record. If you are choosing to do business with someone, look at their registration. If they are a Democrat, look for another person to do business with. Even if it costs more, because every dollar taken away from the supporters of the regime is also a patriotic act. If you are hiring [ok, after this, hiring is the last thing any business is going to have in mind; but sometimes you have to replace critical people] check party affiliation as part of your screening process. If you are laying off [and that will be common] Democrats need to be the first to go. No matter how good a worker they may appear to be. No matter how honest they appear to be, the country has come to a fork in the road. Choices of sides have been made. Anyone who supports the Democrats, cannot be trusted to do anything but betray every trust, every loyalty, every duty. The Democrats who are in Congress swore the Oath. It meant nothing to them.

In a number of venues I have referred to the Political Class as TWANLOC. Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen. It is a clumsy formulation, but I kept it because it is true. I think I have been justified by events.

I may not be alone in that belief. On June 15-16, 2012, the Rasmussen polling company did a survey of the American public. Only 22% believed that the current government has what the Declaration of Independence called, “the consent of the governed”.

My bent for studying history has made many think of me as being somewhat out of the ordinary [read that as bloody strange]. Yet, there is a certain comfort in relating current events with what has happened before. It is nice to have a guideline for the future, from those who did the right thing in the past. Sam Adams has been one of my favorite founding fathers. For some reason, the gathering at the Old South Meeting House in Boston on December 16, 1773 is coming to mind. The discussions closed when Sam Adams rose and said, “This meeting can do no more to save the country.” The time for just talk was over.

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

29 comments

  1. 1
    LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology growls and barks:

    Don’t “tax” bills have to originate in the House?

    Ogabecare was first passed in the Senate…

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Not according to Roberts. If this isn’t stopped AND the constitution amended to keep it from happening again, The Roberts Court will be remembered as the one that help bring about the second American civil war.

    This time, it won’t be armies in the field facing each other. It will be groups going after the political leaders and their supporters. Think Lebanon on a national scale.

    That incompetent jerk as well as Libtards in general have forgotten the main reason the United States exists. It was a tax rebellion that got a bit out of hand.

    Thomas Jefferson said:

    “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …

    And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

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    LC thecabal growls and barks:

    Totally agree.

    Go Galt. They have forfeited all legitimacy.

  4. 4
    Physics Geek growls and barks:

    My plan is to crash the system. Cancel my healthcare, refuse to pay the “tax” (no enforcement in the bill) and then sign up AFTER I get sick or injured as I cannot be refused.
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    SeafarerChief growls and barks:

    It’s too late now for a civil war… Ain’t gonna happen – not enuff folks with cajones large enough to stand up to the Ogabe Gestapo.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Oy Vey.

    It is amazing how virtually every provision found in this law was originally a Republican proposal, from Nixon, through the Heritage Foundation, through Mittens…

    Now all of a sudden, because it was put out by a Democrat, it”s the Worst Thing Evah™.

    No reason to become apoplectic over this. It isn’t carved in stone.

    This isn’t the first time that the Court has made a decision that a large segment of the population didn’t like, and it won’t be the last one. Throughout our history, the Court has come out with some doosies, and we somehow survived it. We either lived with it, worked around it, or made some changes.

    Don’t like it? Make some changes. It is pretty simple — just get a majority to do it, or wait until you can.

    In the mean time, I posted a song for you:

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    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    What Roberts did was the definition of judicial activism. He re defined terms and applied it to this law and essentially ruled on a law that was not passed by congress. He inserted the idea that this is a tax when that term in relation to the mandate doesn’t exist as a “tax” but as a penalty. There is no language in the law that asserts it is a tax. This was a post hoc rationale that has no support in the act.

    This is judicial fraud pure and simple. So much for being an umpire for the Dread Pirate Roberts. I guess he likes the idea of being a legislator. He is a man of bad faith and utter intellectual dishonesty who obviously thinks being invited to the all the fashionable cocktail parties and receiving a glowing write up in the Sunday NY Time magazine about his reasonableness and intelligence in seeing the light on the government controlling ever greater sphere of our lives as a greater good than keeping his legal integrity.

    If it even had any respect or integrity after the Arizona decision earlier this week it Robert’s has pissed it away with his vanity. He ranks right up there with Roger B Taney and may exceed him. After all Taney just maintained slavery he didn’t help establish it.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I’ve been reading and saw something interesting. The chief Moron Justice says this was a tax bill. Didn’t this come out of the Senate? Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t tax bills supposed to come out of the House?
    :em03:
    I guess Roberts missed that day in Law School.
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    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    Didn’t this come out of the Senate? Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t tax bills supposed to come out of the House?

    If the terms penalty and tax are interchangeable in RobertsWorld then it only take some blatantly dishonest mumbojumbo to transform the the senate into the house.

    Words and the law do not mean anything to this whore; just whatever pleases the intellectual thugs in the liberal “intelligentsia”.

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    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    Roberts is setting the stage to go after the Commerce Clause and Congress’s ability to regulate.

    Doesn’t matter .He found a new catchall to grant the totalitarians their wishes.

    The logic of that article was that he had to burn the village down to save it.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster says:

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t tax bills supposed to come out of the House?

    Doesn’t matter. Benedict Roberts will just say that it wasn’t a tax when it came out of the Senate because the word isn’t in there, but that it magically became a tax when he, The All Knowing Roberts, decided that it needed to be in order for him to uphold it.

    See? No biggie.
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    DJ Allyn says:

    Oy Vey.
    It is amazing how virtually every provision found in this law was originally a Republican proposal, from Nixon, through the Heritage Foundation, through Mittens…
    Now all of a sudden, because it was put out by a Democrat, it”s the Worst Thing Evah™.
    No reason to become apoplectic over this. It isn’t carved in stone.
    This isn’t the first time that the Court has made a decision that a large segment of the population didn’t like, and it won’t be the last one. Throughout our history, the Court has come out with some doosies, and we somehow survived it. We either lived with it, worked around it, or made some changes.
    Don’t like it? Make some changes. It is pretty simple — just get a majority to do it, or wait until you can.
    In the mean time, I posted a song for you:

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    Deej, don’t you see it doesn’t matter? Republican, Democrat… whatever. I couldn’t possibly give less of a flying rat’s ass which party first came up with this douchebag idea. Hell, the first president to really advocate it was fucking Teddy Roosevelt, whom many Republicans admire. Fuck this. It’s not about political parties. It’s about the fact that the fucking politicians in this country are destroying it.
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    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    Being the wordy bastard that I am, I turn up at several blogs. Another commenter at PJMEDIA with the handle “RWE” came up with this:

    Here is a dumb question.

    If it is a Federal Tax – as it must be, now – then if paid does a Tax Credit exist relative to Federal and State income taxes? If it does, that will torpedo the whole program.

    If such a tax credit does not exist, then the Repubs in Congress ought to pass a tax bill ASAP that contains that provision. So then Obama gets to explain why he vetoed a bill that would have reduced taxes.

    If that goes through it could gut the program. If it does not, at least it causes confusion to the Enemy and promotes the goal in #6 of the main post. It is in the hands of my Congress-Critter, and maybe others would want to pass it to theirs.

    Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

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    Physics Geek growls and barks:

    Actually, the bill originally failed in the House, but was added as an amendment to some other Senate bill. The original bill was about 10 pages or so, while the “amendment” was 2700 pages. Since it was an amendment, it could be passed via reconciliation, thus avoiding the problem of not originating in the House.

    I might have missed a step or two, but I remember clearly how this was passed and it wasn’t pretty. It was NOT the health care bill that was passed, it was some other ::mumble:: bill with an enormous amendment tacked on. Was the method bullshit? Sure, but- I think- procedurally legal.
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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    And so begins the Great American Puss-Out. Yea and verily, many an angry letter to the editor shall be penned. Many a furious blog entry shall be posted. Chests shall be beaten in a most manly fashion. And yet, in the end, there will be naught but passive acceptance. Somebody cue Lee Greenwood. :em01:

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    Bitter Clinger growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    And so begins the Great American Puss-Out. Yea and verily, many an angry letter to the editor shall be penned. Many a furious blog entry shall be posted. Chests shall be beaten in a most manly fashion. And yet, in the end, there will be naught but passive acceptance. Somebody cue Lee Greenwood.

    And what,pray tell, would you suggest? Perhaps we should march to Lexington and Concord. Oh I know, let’s start another revolution. Colorful as these suggestions may be we are not talking about men and muskets, but ordinary people against the full might of the US armed forces. So the question then becomes are you volunteering or just pounding your chest?

    We will do what a nation of law abiding citizens does. When and if the ballot fails, that is when the revolution begins. Like it or not these idiots were voted into office. Thus far the ballot box has not been stripped from the citizens. Elections have consequences, representatives that ignore the will of the people must learn that lesson as well!

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    Bitter Clinger @ #:

    My decision is simply to not pay at any level and take whatever comes – if that means prison, so be it. If that means improvrishment, so be it.

    “we are not talking about men and muskets, but ordinary people against the full might of the US armed forces”

    Nice to see that you have already cast the military against the populace. I guess they really aren’t on our side, eh?

    “We will do what a nation of law abiding citizens does.” Nothing.

    “When and if the ballot fails, that is when the revolution begins.” The ballot box has failed – Obama, Pelosi, etc. – all elected. Even beyond that, Social Security, Medicare, TARP – every form of wealth-transfer-at-gunpoint has been done by elected officials, and from both parties.

    “Thus far the ballot box has not been stripped from the citizens.” It almost never is. Even despots allow people the illusion of the vote.

    “representatives that ignore the will of the people must learn that lesson as well!” The lesson being that there are no real consequences. Yes, a few may go down to electoral defeat, but most don’t, and rampant corruption and criminality continue.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    And so begins the Great American Puss-Out. Yea and verily, many an angry letter to the editor shall be penned. Many a furious blog entry shall be posted. Chests shall be beaten in a most manly fashion. And yet, in the end, there will be naught but passive acceptance. Somebody cue Lee Greenwood.

    You first, jackass. I’ll be somewhere in the background, doing perfectly legal things to jam up the works.

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    Bitter Clinger growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Bitter Clinger @ #:

    My decision is simply to not pay at any level and take whatever comes – if that means prison, so be it. If that means improvrishment, so be it.

    “we are not talking about men and muskets, but ordinary people against the full might of the US armed forces”

    Nice to see that you have already cast the military against the populace. I guess they really aren’t on our side, eh?

    “We will do what a nation of law abiding citizens does.” Nothing.

    “When and if the ballot fails, that is when the revolution begins.” The ballot box has failed – Obama, Pelosi, etc. – all elected. Even beyond that, Social Security, Medicare, TARP – every form of wealth-transfer-at-gunpoint has been done by elected officials, and from both parties.

    “Thus far the ballot box has not been stripped from the citizens.” It almost never is. Even despots allow people the illusion of the vote.

    “representatives that ignore the will of the people must learn that lesson as well!” The lesson being that there are no real consequences. Yes, a few may go down to electoral defeat, but most don’t, and rampant corruption and criminality continue.

    The ballot has not failed, the people have failed the ballot. The morons in charge were elected because enough of the people that could have stopped them chose to stay at home, or, as I have heard all too often, handed the fucktards in charge a win because the other candidate “wasn’t the one I wanted.”
    Fa Cube Itches says:

    My decision is simply to not pay at any level and take whatever comes – if that means prison, so be it. If that means improvrishment, so be it.

    It will, and another voice and another vote will be lost.Fa Cube Itches says:

    Nice to see that you have already cast the military against the populace. I guess they really aren’t on our side, eh?

    Never said they were partner, in fact I believe that should worse come to worse there will be a river of blood before the rank and file figure out what side they’re on.
    Fa Cube Itches says:

    “We will do what a nation of law abiding citizens does.” Nothing.

    So what are you doing? If you are so morally superior to everyone else, then lead the charge. If not then maybe prison is a good idea.
    Fa Cube Itches says:

    “When and if the ballot fails, that is when the revolution begins.” The ballot box has failed – Obama, Pelosi, etc. – all elected. Even beyond that, Social Security, Medicare, TARP – every form of wealth-transfer-at-gunpoint has been done by elected officials, and from both parties.

    I refer you to my first point.
    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Thus far the ballot box has not been stripped from the citizens.” It almost never is. Even despots allow people the illusion of the vote.
    “representatives that ignore the will of the people must learn that lesson as well!” The lesson being that there are no real consequences. Yes, a few may go down to electoral defeat, but most don’t, and rampant corruption and criminality continue.

    Again I ask, what consequences would you levy. This is a nation of laws, not of men. If there is no legal solution, then what remains? You are not willing to lead the charge. You are not willing to vote. You mock those who would even give voice to their frustrations. It seems that the only thing you ARE willing to do is become an unknown martyr, which is no martyr at all. I submit that should you take that route, if you get any airtime at all, you will be immediately branded as a fringe kook that just didn’t want to pay his taxes. Message lost. End of story.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    My goodness.

    Honestly, this ISN’T the end of the world, it is a bump in the road. Either we adjust or they will be adjusted. It just might not happen tomorrow or the next day. It might even take a year or ten.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Honestly, this ISN’T the end of the world, it is a bump in the road.

    Flashback to the early 70s, when my native country narrowly voted to join what was then called the European Economic Council. “Hey, don’t be so damn paranoid, it’s nothing, it’s just basically a trade agreement! No way in hell your feverish conspiracy theories about moving sovereignty to a bunch of unelected fat bureaucrats in Brussels are going to happen!”

    Like I said on the other thread: I’ve seen this movie before. I know how it ends.
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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    SeafarerChief says:

    It’s too late now for a civil war… Ain’t gonna happen – not enuff folks with cajones large enough to stand up to the Ogabe Gestapo.

    I fear you may be right. But then I fall back on my final option – personal resistance. Overtly, Indirectly, Passive resistance, Remember how an angry Civil Serpent passively resists by destructive cooperation and obeying orders literally and in the way never intended. Things lost in the mail. Go stupid on the motherfuckers. Aand finally, just say plain fucking NO! Remember the fun of being a smartaleck in high school? Relive those days. Fuck with them.
    Active stupidity is war by other means. And meanwhile agitate and preach.

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    Bitter Clinger growls and barks:

    I never thought that I’d be the one trying to maintain a positive attitude. Especially since I am so damn close to saying FUCK IT ALL. :em08:

    The way I see it is we are one election away. Remember the 2010 election sweep? A couple more like that and we might be able to pull out of this tailspin. Do not despair, do not retreat, DO NOT SURRENDER!!!

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Be interesting to see what happens to gun sales in the near future.

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    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Be interesting to see what happens to gun sales in the near future.

    :em01:
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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Like I said on the other thread: I’ve seen this movie before. I know how it ends.

    Misha, I’ve been around a lot longer. I’ve seen this movie several times. The equation between this any what happened in your native country is apples and geoducks. I’ve seen the Court make some very controversial rulings for the time, and a lot of the public reaction was pretty much the same as what I see here. End of the world predictions, hand-wringing, gnashing of teeth, renting of garments, call to arms.

    Remember Bush v. Gore? Half the country felt that was it — the nation was over then. Roe v. Wade? Brown v. Board of Education? Citizens United v Federal Election Board? There are more — a LOT more. Those are just off the top of my head, and each had a large group of people about ready to pack up the station wagon and move.

    But check it out, Misha, the POLL numbers of people who are unhappy with the mandate is a little over 70 percent. (the rest of the provisions have much better acceptance rates) I think that there will be enough pressure brought to bear over the next few years to revisit this law. If nothing else, allow more states like Vermont to opt out in favor of their own system.

    This isn’t the end of it, so quit acting like it is. This is just version 1.0, and there are bound to be newer versions as time rolls on. Social Security had something like eight revisions before it was fully implemented. Medicare was also revised several times with things added on, and things pruned off.

    So this seems like a setback to you. Boo hoo. Buck up and get back on the dressage horse.

    All I am saying here Misha is that we don’t have to give up. Nothing is over. None of this is carved in stone. Legislation in. Legislation out. Everything is temporary, only the length of time is variable.

    (Now if you expect me to start using pom-poms or lead you in a fucking cheer to get you going again, you have the wrong guy. Not even BC could photoshop something THAT hideous.)
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    irish19 growls and barks:

    I read that Slate link DJ posted. The one good thing I was bitterly clinging to when the decision came out was the fact that a majority found against the commerce clause. While the tax issue definitely sucks, my understanding is that this too can be challenged under something only somewhat obscure (obscure enough that I can’t remember what it is) but not until it has actually been levied.
    I predict a rejuvenated Tea Party to come out of all this, and the dems to take it up the ass sideways in the next election.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    (Now if you expect me to start using pom-poms or lead you in a fucking cheer to get you going again, you have the wrong guy. Not even BC could photoshop something THAT hideous.)

    *SPFFFTRRRTTTT!!!*

    Not needed. That sentence just did it for me. You do owe me a keyboard now, however.

    :em05:
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