It’s something you can invoke regarding private conversations to avoid the situation where nobody dares have an honest discussion with a president for fear that every word uttered might become public knowledge. It’s NOT something you can invoke to avoid actual criminal activity becoming public knowledge. But a president talking to an advisor and calling somebody a stupid c*nt, wanker, asshole or even coordinating messaging with, say, a threatened incumbent of the same stripe as a sitting president? Not criminal, and therefore you can invoke executive privilege.

But the real, REAL issue here is that you can’t invoke it unless the evidence that you’re shoving under your executive umbrella is somehow relevant to the investigation going on. And you also can’t just blanket invoke it without stating, for each and every bit of communication, just WHY it falls under “executive privilege.”

It ought to be fun to see Ogabe’s justifications there.

Still, and back to the issue, it has to be RELEVANT to the investigation. You can’t just invoke executive privilege for something that has nothing whatsoever to do with you. And since the documents that he’s now trying to hide as well as his entire life history which, obviously, is more important and secret than our international intelligence operations which have been leaking like crazy as of late in order to paint cock-gobbler Ogabe as something resembling a male with a set, are all related to Fast and Furious, they can’t bloody well BE relevant to boy king Ogabe unless he knew about the whole op, can they?

Which sort of flies in the face of what we’re told to believe by the misadministration and their OgabeMedia Steno Pool, which is that he had no idea, no IDEA that Fast and Furious even existed.

Oopsies.

So we have the following choices here:

1) Ogabe is in no way connected to the evidence that he’s hiding under executive privilege, in which case he’s guilty of the impeachable offense of abusing his powers.

2) Ogabe is somehow tied to the evidence, in which case he is, even if his involvement is not criminal in nature, guilty of repeatedly and publicly lying about his ignorance of the whole operation, which is perjury, which is also impeachable.

3) Ogabe is tied to it in a criminal way which makes him guilty of perjury under 2) above as well as guilty of a crime.

Somehow we can’t see a scenario under which Ogabe didn’t just shoot himself in the foot here. Would have been easier to just throw Heinrich Holder under the bus with the rest of them. Unless, of course, Heinrich Holder knows stuff and wouldn’t be too happy about the tread marks on his face.

If that is the case, then we would, were we Heinrich Holder, pre-emptively throw our boss under the bus and assume the mantle of heroic whistle blower, because there is no other way for him to come out of this without a stint in the gray-bar hotel.

And to think that, just a few years ago, Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury simply because he didn’t remember, verbatim, a conversation he allegedly had years prior to that.

We’ve come a long way, haven’t we? Yes, that was sarcasm.

But Ogabe still fucked himself here. Provided that the GOP has the balls to go with it, which we’re not at all convinced that they do.

Thatisall.

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Cannon Fodder
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Cannon Fodder
June 21, 2012 04:24

Yeah, don’t we all just expect Issa to just say, “Nothing we can do now, all the documents we need have been sealed!” The thing is, I don’t think they should allow executive privilege to stand. Holder has had FAR TOO LONG to get it sealed under executive privilege and just does it now? He should still be held in… Read more »

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
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It’s amusing to me, since Zero has been claiming all along that he knew nothing about “Fast and Furious.” “It’s a big government,” is what he said. He had no idea. None at all. All of a sudden he’s invoking executive privilege??? That either means he DID know, or he’s shielding that motherucking piece of festering yak shit Holder, because… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
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Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
June 21, 2012 07:58

And now Princess Nancy is whining to the press about how unfair it is that Holder is facing contempt charges. After all, she claims, she could have arrested Karl Rove (I kid you not) at any time. I don’t remember “the architect” as being in a cabinet position. Anyway, here’s Princess Pelosi, in all of her unfettered stupidity.

Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
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Imperial Grammar Nazi, G.L.O.R
June 21, 2012 08:26

Ok…upon further research, Senior Policy Advisor is, apparently, a cabinet position; however, it’s not on the same level as the head of Justice, like Holder. My bad.

LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch
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Ummmm, what is it that they would arrest Rove for?

LC TerribleTroy
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LC TerribleTroy
June 21, 2012 09:26

So Pelosi is either full of shit or malfeasent. If they had enough evidence to pursue crim charges and didn’t, then they failed civics 101. So they knowingly allowed a criminal to continue operating? When did we become a society where we only pursued criminals when it was politically convienent?

FrankOK
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June 21, 2012 09:31

Partisan politics at their best, Chicagoland lawyers (they call it “Crook County” for a reason) covering each others’ asses and to top it off a few racial overtones of a “particular group” helping the fellow brotha out.

When does the “March on DC” start?

LC HJ Caveman82952
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LC HJ Caveman82952
June 21, 2012 10:33

So Pelosi is either full of shit or malfeasent.

Both, Troy…definitely both. Let your imagination be your guide.

LC SecondMouse
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June 21, 2012 11:32

As demonstrated time and again, Obama does not fall on grenades, he throws minions on them. There must be something pretty powerful in one of Holder’s pockets that President Downgrade does not want to see the light of day. So much for transparency. This from a poser who once quoted Justice Brandeis’ words regarding sunlight being the best disinfectant. I… Read more »

Radical Redneck
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Radical Redneck
June 21, 2012 12:30

OT: Undoubtedly y’all have seen Pippi Bongstocking, aka the Madison Moonbat™ aka Thistle Petterson.

Imagine the delicacy and aroma as you eat her Thistle Pie after she’s spent about 20 hours out in 95 heat screaming at the Military Industrial Media Complex™?

Here’s some sweet music to act as an aphrodisiac (unless her bony, unshaved legs block your ears)! :em01:

FrankOK
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June 21, 2012 13:42

LC TerribleTroy says:

So Pelosi is either full of shit or malfeasent. … snip

… to offer a second opinion, she’s dog-ugly too …

Mark12A
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Mark12A
June 21, 2012 15:41

Radical Redneck @ #:

Oh, thanks. Now I’m going to go to my grave with that image firmly implanted in my squash.

LC Light29ID
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LC Light29ID
June 21, 2012 16:52

Of course Obongo the Kenyan Klingon Fucker™ invoked Executive Privilege. HE FUCKING ORDERED IT!!! Anyone remember when he made the claim that 90% of the weapons used by the cartels in Mexico were bought in the United States? Beuller, Beuller….Beuller? They wanted to ban guns so badly they were ready to let people die for it. The ends justify the… Read more »

irish19
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irish19
June 21, 2012 17:41

Mark12A @ #:
Glad I didn’t click the link then.

irish19
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irish19
June 21, 2012 17:46

Not sure what zero said would qualify as perjury (or are we talking Holder here), but in any case I think this is developing quite nicely. I’ll be ordering much beer and many pretzels as well as a really good bottle of single malt for when it all blows up. One more thing. On the basis of an article on… Read more »

irish19
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irish19
June 21, 2012 17:48

Not sure what zero said would qualify as perjury (or are we talking Holder here), but in any case I think this is developing quite nicely. I’ll be ordering much beer and many pretzels as well as a really good bottle of single malt for when it all blows up. One more thing. On the basis of an article on… Read more »

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
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Mark12A says:

Oh, thanks. Now I’m going to go to my grave with that image firmly implanted in my squash.

Oh, you’ll forget allll about it ‘soon as you click the next one.. :em05:

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
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LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
June 21, 2012 18:29

LC TerribleTroy says: When did we become a society where we only pursued criminals when it was politically convienent? As precisely as I can remember the answer is March 1993. Specific incident involved was Waco Massacre, implicated were Attorney Genital Reno, and two Clintonoids. FrankOK, I’ve never know a dog that ugly. Damn, but she looks even worse than that… Read more »

watchyerlane
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watchyerlane
June 21, 2012 19:41

The possibilities are endless. Something tells me that Holder has something on Barack Hussein. Normally when the poop hits the fan the President starts going all Godfather and killing off everybody that could sink him. The fact that Holder didn’t have “seizures” and needed to be “retired” tells me that Holder is holding on for dear life and Obama is… Read more »

LC Light29ID
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LC Light29ID
June 21, 2012 20:53

Radical Redneck @ #:

Here’s her complete interview. I make a motion (i.e. bowel movement) that she give the nomination speech at the NSWDP convention. All in favor say “aye”.

Meet self-described anarchist Thistle Pettersen:

rickn8or
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rickn8or
June 21, 2012 21:38

Well, it certainly stopped all the conversation about the economy…

And watchyerlane, all I wanna see is Teh Won and Holder in orange jumpsuits and flip-flops.

DarthBane
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DarthBane
June 21, 2012 23:32

Anybody catch Holder withdrawing his latest letter to Congress in which he claimed Bush AG Mike Mukasey knew all about F&F and failed to stop it? Yes, Holder was dumb enough to make this claim in an official communication with Congress. Oh and I love the latest stupid new liberal talking point, that Obama’s Fast & Furious is EXACTLY LIKE… Read more »

sablegsd
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sablegsd
June 22, 2012 00:28

Secondmouse @ #: I’ve said all along Ovomit was stupid and evil. If the criminal enterprise formerly known as the news media hadn’t been covering for his putrid ass, perhaps it would never have gotten to this point. As it stands, every mother fucker in this administration should be drawn and quartered. Today I have seen a 1990’s era video… Read more »

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
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In poker rules,, you bet, raise, call, flop y’ hand,,, at which point you MAY NOT WITHDRAW your wager. ‘Sure, it ain’t the way the courts work,, but that’s just what I’m seeing here. EVERY letter foisted as testimony/evidence that’s later withdrawn is a case of attempted fraud and should be considered when evaluating other utterances. Each bit of evidence… Read more »

GGE
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GGE
June 22, 2012 07:07

And since you mention it…can anyone explain to me how it is that Scooter Libby went to prison but Richard Armitage didn’t? He’s the one that actually “outed” Valerie Plame, and I thought that was a crime of EPIC proportions…

Libs. Pfeh.

DarthBane
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DarthBane
June 22, 2012 07:12

LC Darth Scoundrel @ #: Patrick Fitzgerald, the SP in the Plame case, new within days of starting his investigation that Armitrage was the leaker. He also knew his telling Novake Plame’s name was not a crime. But Fitzgerald wanted a scalp. Go that far into this thing and end up empty-handed? He wasn’t willing to have that happen. When… Read more »

FreeCanuck
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FreeCanuck
June 22, 2012 11:57

The rule of law was deteriorating a long time before the Bamsy and Eric show, and even before Waco and Ruby Ridge, it just emerged into public consciousness at that time. Now, what we have is “anarcho-tyranny”, where the people up at the top use the arcane letter of the law as a malleable tool to do whatever they want… Read more »

bruce
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bruce
June 22, 2012 16:44

i just wan to see justice done with bongo and his entire administration in orange jump suits waiting for old sparky to warm up,that or the rope! :em05:

FrankOK
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June 22, 2012 22:50

bruce says: i just wan to see justice done with bongo and his entire administration in orange jump suits waiting for old sparky to warm up,that or the rope! Our “friends” to the south had made some comment about wanting to try those responsible also. I wonder if they actually would? Probably just turn ’em loose with a ticket to… Read more »

LC Xystus
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June 23, 2012 22:28

Secondmouse:

Maybe this guy isn’t the evil mastermind we give him credit for; he’s just an evil dumbass.

Quite easy to believe.