And You Wonder Why Our Kids Are Illiterate Dumb-Fucks?

It’s because they have teachers that are illiterate dumb fucks.

 

Thanks to This Ain’t Hell for the pic.

Ah, our glorious public education system. Yeah, we’ll give you even more of your fucking blood money, you lecherous, fucking parasites, as soon as you can learn to spell e-a-t-m-y-d-i-n-g-l-e-b-e-r-r-i-e-s.

Absolute dumb-asses.

UPDATE My own dumb ass moment, fueled by Scotch, haste, and a bad day, and as so quickly pointed out by readerjp, I forgot the word “Wonder” in the original title. Irony is a sweet bitch, ain’t she?

84 comments

  1. 1
    readerjp growls and barks:

    I think you forgot to put the word “Wonder” after “You.” Kind of ironic. Put it in before someone takes a poke at you.

  2. 2

    When I first started teaching High School I was recruited pretty heavily to join the local education union…..all new teachers are required to attend about a 3 hour meeting to entice you to join. I asked the union president why I should join, he mentioned nothing about benefits or pensions or health care….instead he sang about how the union would provide me with free legal representation in case someone filed a sexual harrassment suit against me…..

    that was it, that was the carrot they waved in front of me to join. I sort of read a discreet threat in there when he said it, but I never joined. The dirty little secret the school district will never tell you is that you still pay union dues, but at a reduced rate of 80%. Later when I ran into pay problems with the district, I could not get the problem resolved no matter how hard I tried. I went to my principal to ask for help and the first thing he said to me was “Are you a union member?” when I said no he said he couldn’t be of much help to me. I resigned over this and went back to teaching full time at the college where I had been teaching part time, I now teach high school classes sponsored by them and also teach my college classes…..my pay is double what I was making and my health care and benefits are rock solid and secure.

    and I still am not a union member.

    long story short, the education unions don’t give a goddamn about the kids or providing the resources for teachers to effectively do their jobs….they are players in the political process and hold all members hostage to their ideaology.

    That picture is sad, didn’t any of the good socialists at that protest notice the error?

  3. 3
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Eh.

    The occasional dropping of a word in an internet posting is one thing (typing out your thoughts can be daunting especially when speed is a concern). Pooching the spelling on a homemade protest sign of an overpaid, overcompensated government propaganda drone is quite another.

  4. 4
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    ^…@ reader jp.

  5. 5

    readerjp says:

    I think you forgot to put the word “Wonder” after “You.” Kind of ironic. Put it in before someone takes a poke at you.

    At least I can blame the Scotch and a bad day. Thanks though, but I’ll think I’ll let the irony stand in all it’s drunken glory.

  6. 6

    On second thought, it looks pretty Stoooopid, capital S, multiple ooooo. I’ll change it, with a notation of some sort.

  7. 7
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Not any more…. :em01:

  8. 8
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    *sigh* This is nothing. I have seen graduate-level papers that would boggle the mind. There was one where a guy was listing the various 20th century wars that the US had been in, with the various theaters, and presidents, e. g. Grenada, Reagan, and whatever general. On his list were Ulysses S. Grant, Chester A. Arthur, and Howard Taft. Despite several warnings about it, he never did change it.

    There was the the student who wrote of how the founding fathers came over on the Mayflower to escape the tyranny of the Catholic Church in England. That is wrong on nearly every level.

    Maybe it’s just as well the teachers are striking. That’s one less day our children are dumbed-down.

  9. 9
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    There was the the (Then there was) PIMF

  10. 10
    Jerry growls and barks:

    Jesus H. Christ, DJ, you stupid, son of a bitch dumb bastard!! THESE are TEACHERS!! Were the signs at the Tea Party Events made by TEACHERS? Would anyone HERE want their child taught by someone who harbored as much venom and anger as these “so called” teachers? Liberalism truly IS a mental disorder. It’s time to clean fucking house. In fact, it’s way past time. :em12:

  11. 11
    Dr_Mike growls and barks:

    What I love is the Walgreens in the back – it tells me she’s standing on Library Mall, outside the university library.

    Mmm, stupid with irony sprinkles on top…

    (I had to move this over here from the comment thread on the actual picture, hence my avatar for the good Dr_Mike – crunch)

  12. 12
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Wow. One sign when compared to the hundreds of misspelled signs you see at tea party events. Here are a few good ones. I think that you will find misspelled signs every time you have people quickly throwing them together like this.

    The Tea Partiers aren’t being overpaid and given insane levels of benefits, bankrupting state budgets around the country while turning out graduating classes of students that aren’t educated enough to read their own diplomas, add a column of numbers, or even know the basics of how a Constitutional Republic works.

    Nice try at deflection though.

    You make the assumption that this woman is a teacher, or even connected with the schools in any way.

    It’s a reasonable enough assumption since these protesters are trying to defend the outrageous demands of an out of control teacher’s union. Fire them all.

  13. 13
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Whoever they are…most of them, I’m sure, graduated from the public schools. So, all of the misspelled words are not surprising. Schools are more interested in kids’ self-esteem than whether or not they can spell.

    The dumbing down of America continues apace.

  14. 14
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Oh, and just one Gracie? :em02:

  15. 15
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    And, DJ, you are being disingenuous. There is a huge difference between older, retired, tea partiers and those in the business sector not knowing how to spell properly.

    Would YOU want a nurse who can’t spell properly making out your chart? How about a doctor? Of all the people who should be spelling correctly, teachers should be first and foremost. They are, after all, teaching our children how to do so, or not do so.

  16. 16
    Muzzy growls and barks:

    Response to Jerry @:

    Jesus H. Christ, DJ, you stupid, son of a bitch dumb bastard!! THESE are TEACHERS!!

    Can you prove that woman is a teacher? And if you’re willing to give teabaggers a pass on their gratuitous spelling and grammar abuse because “they’re not teachers”, is that a tacit admission that you are judging them by lower standards because you think they’re not as bright as the average school teacher?

    Of course, DJ made this very same point in the post you are responding to, which you obviously failed to comprehend. I’d call you a dumbass but instead I’m going to take a leaf out of your book and give you a flagrant pass. You are, after all, just a teabagger, and can’t be expected to adhere to the same standards of eloquence and clarity of thought as, say, the good people of the Wisconsin teachers union.

  17. 17
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Response to Muzzy @17:

    This isn’t about the Tea party or their signs. This is about teachers, with all of their overinflated pay scale and ridiculous amount of benefits who can’t even get basic grammar and spelling correct.

    All of the deflecting in the world won’t change that.

  18. 18
    Dr_Mike growls and barks:

    Ooops.

  19. 19
    LC Darth Scoundrel growls and barks:

    Our? Are? Arrr!

  20. 20
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Muzzy says:

    Response to Jerry @:
    Jesus H. Christ, DJ, you stupid, son of a bitch dumb bastard!! THESE are TEACHERS!!
    Can you prove that woman is a teacher? And if you’re willing to give teabaggers a pass on their gratuitous spelling and grammar abuse because “they’re not teachers”, is that a tacit admission that you are judging them by lower standards because you think they’re not as bright as the average school teacher?
    Of course, DJ made this very same point in the post you are responding to, which you obviously failed to comprehend. I’d call you a dumbass but instead I’m going to take a leaf out of your book and give you a flagrant pass. You are, after all, just a teabagger, and can’t be expected to adhere to the same standards of eloquence and clarity of thought as, say, the good people of the Wisconsin teachers union.

    The good people of the Wisconsin teachers union, please that just begs to be laughed at because most of them do not even understand what the bill says.
    Heres the thing the bill is needed so that at the local level they will be able to make changes because state funding is going to be cut. But part of that money cut is actually going to be used to expand the school voucher program which the teachers union has tried to block and reduce time and time again. WHY?? Because it makes them actually have to compete for their students and in such their job. Just like the rest of us.

    But there are some very good reasons governors of both parties are trying to limit the power of public employees’ unions. “I’ve spent years pleading for modest concessions from the unions,” says Bob Ziegelbauer, a Wisconsin state representative and the chief executive of Manitowoc County. “The reaction is, ‘You can’t make me.” Ziegelbauer used to be a Democrat and now calls himself an independent, but he caucuses with the state Republicans. He says when he was able to negotiate a settlement with local union representatives, their leaders often would veto it. “There’s a ruthlessness in attitude at the union headquarters. The leaders would rather take layoffs than make concessions.” Sometimes the union intransigence is downright ridiculous. “We spend $650,000 a year to keep our county juvenile-detention facility open. In recent years, we’ve had as few as one or two juveniles incarcerated there at a time,” Ziegelbauer tells me. “I wanted to close down the place and use the facility in a neighboring county. But the union blocked it on the grounds that it was outside contracting.”

    But there are some very good reasons governors of both parties are trying to limit the power of public employees’ unions. “I’ve spent years pleading for modest concessions from the unions,” says Bob Ziegelbauer, a Wisconsin state representative and the chief executive of Manitowoc County. “The reaction is, ‘You can’t make me.” Ziegelbauer used to be a Democrat and now calls himself an independent, but he caucuses with the state Republicans. He says when he was able to negotiate a settlement with local union representatives, their leaders often would veto it. “There’s a ruthlessness in attitude at the union headquarters. The leaders would rather take layoffs than make concessions.” Sometimes the union intransigence is downright ridiculous. “We spend $650,000 a year to keep our county juvenile-detention facility open. In recent years, we’ve had as few as one or two juveniles incarcerated there at a time,” Ziegelbauer tells me. “I wanted to close down the place and use the facility in a neighboring county. But the union blocked it on the grounds that it was outside contracting.”
    Such horror stories are especially common in the biggest cities, where unions have the strength of numbers and a tradition of dealing with, and helping to elect, liberal, pro-union politicians. This is a major advantage that public employees’ unions have: unlike construction workers and miners, they can vote their bosses in or out. Their unions make political contributions, mount advertising campaigns and run phone banks. Public employees tend to be ferocious campaigners and assiduous voters, the sort of constituents politicians find panderworthy. And this power has enabled them to distort the system, especially when it comes to work rules, health benefits and pensions — concessions politicians are more likely to grant, since they are future promises that, until recently, have had little immediate impact on the bottom line.

    They know that unlike a business we cannot close down our schools so they feel no need to bend. And please do not tell me how they are willing to negotiate and such because the time to negotiate has passed when they refused to negotiate the last go around. It is only when they know they are going to lose that they think we should negotiate.

    The teachers, especially, became a reactionary force when it came to school reform — opposing charter schools (in Detroit, the union blocked a $125 million private contribution to build five new charter schools) and merit pay; they lashed themselves to strict seniority rules more appropriate to assembly-line workers than would-be professionals. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has been trying to negotiate a deal whereby layoffs, if necessary, would not be made on a last-hired, first-fired basis. “So you’d rather have them lay off the more experienced teachers?” a Wisconsin teacher asked me. No: teachers should be hired and fired and paid according to their ability. “But who judges that?” the teacher asked. Their employers do, I replied. The teacher scoffed; the idea that school principals should be able to decide who should be part of their workforce seems incomprehensible to most teachers — and yet that sort of accountability is at the heart of any system that aspires to excellence.

    The strongest arguments against public employees’ unions lie there: in their power to block reform and strangle good governance. Clearly, there needs to be a rebalancing of pension and health care benefits that puts public employees more in line with the conditions that prevail in the private sector.

  21. 21
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    I messed up on my quoting, must have had a coughing fit and thought I hit the bquote and didn’t

  22. 22
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    And don’t you just love this kind of crap that is going on

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/116370714.html

  23. 23

    Muzzy says:

    . You are, after all, just a teabagger

    so sayeth the sufferer of testicle envy.

    Muzzy says:

    and can’t be expected to adhere to the same standards of eloquence and clarity of thought as, say, the good people of the Wisconsin teachers union.

    you mean like this eloquent statement

    or this one

    or this one

    or this eloquent statement wishing someone would shoot the Governor.

    yeah…..thoughtful and eloquent…….most definitely a product of that glorious liberal indoctrination education they received.

  24. 24
    readerjp growls and barks:

    Now I’m going to sound like a prig, BUT…DJ, it should be the people who will be “AFFECTED” by this law. “Effect” is a noun.

    As for letting spelling go, what? We’re going to let everyone spell the way they want? Pretty soon, nobody will understand each other. I think that’s why Dr. Johnson compiled the dictionary in the first place.

  25. 25

    Response to Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ 2: What’s that phrase they use? “Shame if something should happen”? Yeah.
    Response to Jerry @ 11: Love it.
    Response to LC Gunsniper @ 13: This one too.
    Response to Grammar Czar @ 16: Roger that.
    Response to LC Gunsniper @ 18: Exactly correct.
    Response to Lizard, G.L.O.R. @ 21: Despite the misplacement of quotation, that was a RIGHTEOUS point you made.
    Response to readerjp @ 25: :em99: :em01: :em99: :em01:

  26. 26
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, IC (Imperial Contrarian)…

    Browls and Garks. :em93: It’s what he does.

  27. 27

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    You know, the only “venom” and “anger” I see in this whole thing is coming from you people.

    really??? check my links at post #24

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    As far as the “overpaid” public workers with the “insane” benefits? Most of these teachers have Masters degrees, outstanding student loans, and are paid substantially less than people with the same kind of education in the private sector.

    they, like I, have chosen this career path……I wasn’t happy with the pay and union shenanigans in my old school district so I chose to go back full time to the college I teach at. If they’re not happy, then they can change jobs too.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Average teacher’s salaries are NOT all that high. Especially when you compare it to median wages in each state. Out of those salaries come continuing education costs (on their dime), 10 – 12 hours of work per day (much of it on their time, grading papers and preparing lesson plans), often times they have to pay for materials out of their own pockets because the school budget is blown. These aren’t “over-paid” thugs. They are people who have bills to pay just like you do. They aren’t living in extravagant lifestyles, or milking the system on your dime. They tend to take home less than those in the private sector in exchange for a better benefit package that includes a retirement pension. It is only better than yours because they negotiated their package to make less up front and take the difference out in the end. That way it is cheaper for the state up front.

    I agree that average teachers salaries should be raised…just like cops and firefighters. Unfortunately, education money usually gets doled out to district administration costs and salaries for bureaucrats….I fought for two years to get software upgrades in my classroom only to be told that there was no district money for that, however….they DID find the money to put in a big bay window in the superintendants office so he could look out over Marymoor park. That really benefited my kids.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Someone here posted an extremely long list of educational salaries in the six figures as some sort of “proof” that teachers are way overpaid. The problem with that list is that it was made up exclusively of administrators and principals who are NOT members of a union.

    where do you think those administrators and principals come from Deej?, they come from the teaching ranks and most of them are still union members or supporters of said unions.

  28. 28
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    For the most part, the Tea Partiers are older white people nearing the end of their lives, who have already used the tax payer funded school system to put their children through school and now don’t want to have to pay any more money.

    Deej from what I saw when I was at the Rally for the Bill they were my age or younger. You know making assumptions is not a good way to make points.

    Most of these teachers have Masters degrees, outstanding student loans, and are paid substantially less than people with the same kind of education in the private sector. The benefits that they’ve negotiated for tend to be pay that has been deferred pay in order to accept a small salary on the front end. They’ve agreed to a front end salary cut in order to have the cut applied to the back end on retirement.
    Someone here posted an extremely long list of educational salaries in the six figures as some sort of “proof” that teachers are way overpaid. The problem with that list is that it was made up exclusively of administrators and principals who are NOT members of a union.

    I have asked you this a few times Deej and you have ignored me, please site your source for the fact that most have Masters degrees. Also they do not have that much in outstanding loans since most get reimbursement as well. As for them being paid substantially lower you are so misguided I cannot even begin to get you straight on that point.
    Again, what you fail to see is that they did not take pay cuts but I know you are totally swallowing the union propaganda completely.
    I guess you didn’t really read throught the list Deej because there are many who make well over what those in the private sector make.

    Especially when you compare it to median wages in each state. Out of those salaries come continuing education costs (on their dime), 10 – 12 hours of work per day (much of it on their time, grading papers and preparing lesson plans), often times they have to pay for materials out of their own pockets because the school budget is blown.

    OMG :em95: :em95: You really need to stop reading the BS put out by the unions. I worked with them people, I’ll be generous and say maybe 25% might work 9-10 hours a day but that is being very generous.
    When I was teaching in the public school I was required to be there at 8am, school did not start until 8:25am. I had my students from 8:25am until 9:45am where they then went to specials(PE, Art, or Music). This was my free time, most went and hung out in the teacher’s lounge during this time I worked in my classroom. I should have had my students back at 10:30am but that was their recess time so they went straight to recess and did not come back to my room until 10:45am. Their recess was my break. I then had them until 12:10pm when they went to lunch and recess and I did not have them back until 1pm. That was my lunch and break time. The students left at 2:50pm and I was free to leave at 3:45pm. I typically left about 4:30pm and was usually the last one out and most of my colleagues did not take papers home to grade since they graded them either during their break time or while they should have been busy teaching but had given out busy work. Oh, and 1 day a week they went to the library for 30 min again my time to do what I wanted and another day each week that they went for “socialization class” for 30 min(anti-bullying).

    I think teachers do a job that most would not want to do, but am tired of hearing them whine and moan about their pay and how mistreated they are.

  29. 29
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Shrewd collective bargainers, Milwaukee teachers get 74.2 cents in benefits for every $1 in pay, triple the average for private-sector workers, writes Robert Costrell in the Wall Street Journal. The average teacher earns $56,500 in pay and costs the district another $44,000 in health and pension benefits. Like many other Wisconsin school districts, Milwaukee agreed to buy health insurance from a high-priced company created by the teachers’ union.

    And why would they agree to buy the health insurance because it was part of the collective bargaining agreement.

  30. 30
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Oops, my brain is lagging today due to the illness.

    I meant to say why would they agree to buy the health insurnace from the teachers union because it was part of the collective bargaining agreement.

  31. 31

    Grammar Czar,, Anyone around her could have saved it with a foreslash after ‘our’.
    No one else noticed,, ‘natch.

  32. 32
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Here’s an article that puts the numbers in place regarding salaries of teachers in WI

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703408604576164290717724956.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    How many of us have not 1 but 2 pensions from the same job?

  33. 33
    Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    You make the assumption that this woman is a teacher, or even connected with the schools in any way. She could be one of the many other state employees that are going to be effected by this law — like say, a nurse, or even a corrections officer.

    OR DJ ALLYNSKYS WIFE EVEN

  34. 34
    Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Jesus Fucking Christ wasn’t good enough for you?

    Once again DJ ALLYNSKY BLASPHEMES OUR LORD AND SAVIOR>>>>> WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO POST HERE???

  35. 35
    Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    I know, I often get the two mixed up. It just shows that I am fallible — just like everyone else.

    SORRY ASSHOLE YOURE IN A DISGUSTING CLASS BY YOURSELF

  36. 36

    Gladiator says:

    WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO POST HERE???

    Everyone’s allowed to post here Gladiator, we’re not afraid of anyone’s opinion or what they say, it takes a lot for a person to be banned. If DJ blasphemes, that’s between him and God.

  37. 37
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Average teacher’s salaries are NOT all that high. Especially when you compare it to median wages in each state.

    I call BULLSHIT! In Oklahoma, in nearly every school district, the teacher’s salaries are higher than the median income in the district. The information is available in Oklahoma at schoolreportcard.org. The website is run by the state’s Department of Education. If the state of Wisconsin has a similar website, I’ll bet you will find that the average teacher’s salary is significantly higher than the median for their district, and possibly for the state. Especially if you factor for the money they are not paying for their retirement and their health insurance.

  38. 38
    Library Czar growls and barks:

    Ogrrre,

    WI does indeed have a website with that information.

  39. 39
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Muzzy says:

    Response to Jerry @:

    Jesus H. Christ, DJ, you stupid, son of a bitch dumb bastard!! THESE are TEACHERS!!

    Can you prove that woman is a teacher? And if you’re willing to give teabaggers a pass on their gratuitous spelling and grammar abuse because “they’re not teachers”, is that a tacit admission that you are judging them by lower standards because you think they’re not as bright as the average school teacher?
    Of course, DJ made this very same point in the post you are responding to, which you obviously failed to comprehend. I’d call you a dumbass but instead I’m going to take a leaf out of your book and give you a flagrant pass. You are, after all, just a teabagger, and can’t be expected to adhere to the same standards of eloquence and clarity of thought as, say, the good people of the Wisconsin teachers union.

    Muzzy you idiot.
    What we, or at least I, am upset about in this case is that spelling and grammar are two of the core professional knowledges of a teacher. For them to not know how to choose the proper word to put on a sign is equivalent to an auto mechanic not knowing the difference between an Allen wrench and a box end wrench, or a doctor who can’t decide whether to use a scalpel of a stethoscope.

  40. 40
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Gladiator says:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:
    Jesus Fucking Christ wasn’t good enough for you?

    Once again DJ ALLYNSKY BLASPHEMES OUR LORD AND SAVIOR>>>>> WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO POST HERE???

    This is the second time I’ve said this, pay attention. DJ is the Webmaster for this blog, and has been since before 2002 when I first visited. There are only two people I remember being here from that time, they are our Glorious Emperor, and DJ. Furthermore he very much livens up the debate here, so stop whining about him.

  41. 41
    seagoon growls and barks:

    Response to VonZorch Imperial Researcher @:
    Seconded- and might I add that nobody has ever seen Misha and Deej in the same room- from which you can draw your own conclusions- and the capslock key is to be used sparingly, mmmmkay?

  42. 42
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Response to seagoon @:

    We can’t be in the same room. National security and all that. :em93:

  43. 43
    readerjp growls and barks:

    A few questions and comments.

    Someone told me the governor is trying to break a signed contract. Is that true?

    What is collective bargaining, exactly?

    Do the teachers have a choice of whether to be in the union or not?

    I imagine some of those illiterate people holding badly-spelled signs are some of the union “reps” being bused in from other states, probably Illinois.

    Why is it that the generations that were schooled in the 1930’s, 40’s, 50’s and 60’s can spell but this generation can only spell TXT? Why is it the U.S. is so far behind in math and science? How did this country educate their children before there were teacher’s unions? And why is there an inverse proportion of illiterates to the power of the teacher’s unions? I know it has to do with the breakdown of families, but still…

    I don’t think salary has any correlation to student education. I went to private schools, and the teachers were paid LESS than teacher’s unions, yet the academic standards were very high and 100% of the students went to college.

    My two cents.

  44. 44
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    And please don’t tell me that you’ve never misspelled something. I know that I do all the time, and I am usually a better speller than most.

    Anything that I put out for public consumption is thoroughly vetted, except here, where on occasion I have typos, but I don’t care. I’m not trying to make a point about how I should be kept on as a teacher, even though I don’t know my grammar and spelling. It’s a HUGE error to substitute our for are. They aren’t even close to having the same meaning. If those weren’t teachers holding the signs with the wrong words, then the teachers nearby should have corrected them.

    When we interviewed people for our Writing Center, several of the resumes and cv’s came through with typos and misspellings. Guess which people didn’t get interviews?

  45. 45
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    readerjp says:

    Why is it that the generations that were schooled in the 1930’s, 40’s, 50’s and 60’s can spell but this generation can only spell TXT? Why is it the U.S. is so far behind in math and science? How did this country educate their children before there were teacher’s unions?

    Assuming that this is not rhetorical, I think several factors play a part:
    1. Teachers were smarter, overall.
    2. Teachers didn’t teach to the tests; they taught what the kids needed to learn.
    3. Teachers didn’t care about Johnny’s self-esteem.
    4. Parents (especially immigrant ones) were concerned that their child get a good education.
    5. Schools didn’t have to contend with gangs, metal detectors, teenage pregnancies, and the like.
    6. Children who failed were held back, not passed on for “social promotion.”
    7. Schools didn’t cater to every racial divide, every cultural divide, and every language divide. In other words, they didn’t waste time on political correctness.

    I’m sure there are other mitigating factors, but those are the ones right off the top of my head. 8-)

  46. 46
    seagoon growls and barks:

    Response to Emperor Misha I @:
    So you say…. and yet it remains one of the great mysteries.

  47. 47
    seagoon growls and barks:

    OT, but important. Last WWI vet dies.

    RIP

  48. 48
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    seagoon aced me by a few hours.

  49. 49
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Everyone’s allowed to post here Gladiator, we’re not afraid of anyone’s opinion or what they say, it takes a lot for a person to be banned. If DJ blasphemes, that’s between him and God.

    You have to work hard to get banned and as far as DJ’s blasphemies goes, he just does it to bait certain people.

    DJ is the Webmaster for this blog, and has been since before 2002 when I first visited. There are only two people I remember being here from that time, they are our Glorious Emperor, and DJ. Furthermore he very much livens up the debate here, so stop whining about him.

    Are you sure?

    I seem to recall DJ first posting here under the handle “Political Pulpit” as just another commenter back in 2003 or 2004.

    He had started a website (as an experiment) that attempted to provide a place for “civil political discussion” where trash talking, mocking, and flaming were forbidden from posters for The Left and The Right.

    I remember The Emperor providing a link to that site and telling us to leave all our hyperbole, vitriol, and “mad flaming skillz” here if we were to go visit.

    Needless to say, the site faded into oblivion given the lack of traffic.

    DJ/Political Pulpit offered to help tweak The Rott when WordPress was attempting to give The Emperor a terminal migraine and he accepted.

    The rest is history…… :em69:

    DISCLAIMER: Anything I got wrong is due to my fading memory and lack of motivation to wade through the archives for “fact verification”. If I’m mistaken and DJ and Political Pulpit were two different people, disregard this comment. :grin:

    Meanwhile, back on topic….

    While DJ makes a valid point that you’ll find misspelled signs at virtually any demonstration (We all know he loves to post pictures of them from Conservative events), the fact that these people are supporting the teachers unions with misspelled signs is pretty hilarious and you got to love the irony.

  50. 50
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Response to Elephant Man @:

    You got the history of it down pretty good.

    Left out the bit about the Epic Flame Fests that Deej (Political Pulpit) and I used to get into back then, though. Holy fucking crap we went at it hammer and tong!

  51. 51
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Response to Emperor Misha I @:

    That’s right! :em01:

    Way back before registration was required to post comments, it was the friggin ‘wild west” around here!

    And DJ/Political Pulpit was/is one of the saner “Lefties” who would post here. :em9:

    Ah…..memories. :em93:

  52. 52
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Elephant Man says:

    Way back before registration was required to post comments, it was the friggin ‘wild west” around here!

    Ah, how I miss those days! :em93:

    I still hate the fact that I had to set up comment registration, but eventually the spambots got so clever that it was either that or having to manually delete 600 pr0n spams a day.

  53. 53
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Elephant Man says:

    Ah…..memories.

    And thanks a fucking pantsload for that! I’ll be humming tunes from “Cats” all day long now! :em96:

  54. 54
    The Lone Haranguer growls and barks:

    Too bee fare, it mite naught bee a aksual teechur in that pitcher. :em02:

  55. 55
    seagoon growls and barks:

    Response to LC Xystus @:
    Only ’cause I’m 12 hours ahead here :em02:

  56. 56
    YGBSM growls and barks:

    seagoon says:

    OT, but important. Last WWI vet dies.
    RIP

    RIP Mr. Frank Buckles, the last Doughboy.

    A major chapter in American history has thus ended, yet it is greeted with silence from Obaama Inc. It is telling in that this king of loquaciousness and lover of his own voice turns mute when something of importance occurs. Like, say, the Middle East undergoing revolt or, the ending of an era as the last American veteran of one the bloodiest wars in human history passes.

    The Mideast. Fools declare Obama wise for his “restraint”, but greater words (and deeds!) are expected from the leader of the world’s most powerful land. His stumblings are no surprise: He has nothing in his bag of campaign tricks that deals with world crisis.

    2. Frank Buckles, last US veteran of WW1. Obama’s ignorance and disdain of American history proceeds itself, so it’s no surprise he’s silent. The last US veteran of that awful war deserved better. At least George W. Bush recognized his importance: he invited Mr. Buckles to the Whitehouse in 2008.

  57. 57

    Response to Emperor Misha I @:
    And Deej can’t speak Danish! :-p

    @Gladiator
    – Chill the fucking goddamn fuck out, you fucking assroid. Your “Lord and Savior” may not be someone else’s, and what Deej says or doesn’t say is between him and his deity of choice. Deej is responsible for making the site actually… you know… RUN smoothly. It’s probably more his house than it is yours. So please do us all a favor and go sodomize yourself with a live, writhing hedgehog.

    To be fair, that might not be a teacher. But still… JAYSUS CHRIST ON A HOVERBOARD!!! I wish people would check themselves and their signage before venturing out to embarrass the human race!

  58. 58
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    If you want, we can try an experiment like setting aside one day a week for completely open comments. Call it “Wild Fridays”, or something.

    Maybe from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning.

    If I recall, that seemed to be the best time to attract moonbat basement dwellers who would post such classic fare as: “You’Re al a BUncH oF NAzI facist hatorS!??!” and endless, long winded, nonsensical screeds detailing the secret plans of the American Global Corporate Oligarchy to enslave the proletariat to mine cream cheese on the Planet Neptune. :em69:

    Systematically baiting and mocking those nimrods until their brains exploded was very “soul-satisfying” to say the least…… :em01:

  59. 59
    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    #46 readerjp

    Someone told me the governor is trying to break a signed contract. Is that true?

    What is collective bargaining, exactly?

    Do the teachers have a choice of whether to be in the union or not?

    I imagine some of those illiterate people holding badly-spelled signs are some of the union “reps” being bused in from other states, probably Illinois.

    I just did an answer to your questions, and …. well I wrote it and it got too long for here. I will post it as an article this evening.

    Y’all are not being forgotten.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

  60. 60
    readerjp growls and barks:

    Thank you.

  61. 61
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    If you want, we can try an experiment like setting aside one day a week for completely open comments. Call it “Wild Fridays”, or something.

    Can I drop the Ban Hammer™ on the five worst?

  62. 62

    Elephant Man says:

    Systematically baiting and mocking those nimrods until their brains exploded was very “soul-satisfying” to say the least

    Do you remember the Peace Moonbeam Chronicles?
    She’s still at it, ‘got a new angle.

  63. 63
    DarthBane growls and barks:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/12/the_good_life_on_36_weeks_a_ye.html

    14,000 public school teachers – NOT administrators – in the state of Illinois were pulling in $100,000 or more in BASE SALARY, excluding benefits and pensions, in 2010.

    That’s just in one state.

  64. 64
    DarthBane growls and barks:

    If you like watching Teh Stoopid at work, take a look:

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?p=19011881#post19011881

    I’m holding forth at ‘Conan’ on a OT board full of progressives who insist working in a closed union shop is completely voluntary.

  65. 65
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    seagoon says:

    and the capslock key is to be used sparingly, mmmmkay?

    Please note that the line of all caps is in the block quote. I used bold for emphasis of a phrase.

  66. 66
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ have I offended you that you do not respond to my questions and comments?

  67. 67
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Ah, how I miss those days!

    So do I. BTW how about letting the old Emperors out of their secure guest quarters occasionally?

  68. 68
    seagoon growls and barks:

    Response to VonZorch Imperial Researcher @:
    Oh, I know- that wasn’t directed at you at all :)

  69. 69
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    They are set on creating a two-class society — them and you, and you will have just enough to get by on and that’s it.

    And yet, you continue to vote them into office.

    On a side note, is there a way to keep the comment box from scrolling when I click on it to make a comment? Also, is there a way to remove the bar across the top…the one that gives my name, shortlink and the graph? I like my real estate with as little junk as possible.

  70. 70
    DarthBane growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Response to DarthBane @ 67:

    Do you know what I find interesting about this “statistic”? When you go look for the “source”, it just isn’t there. Go ahead, Google the following:

    “Salaries from ISBE, Teacher Service Records year Ending 6/30/10?

    The only thing you get is the echo chamber of the “Champion News” hunk of bullshit. I say “bullshit”, because if you go to the actual ISBE website, you will get the REAL numbers, which do not even come close to what the echo chamber is telling you.

    I mean seriously, use your common sense on this one. A driver’s ed teacher making $164k a year? Are you that gullible?

    You’ve fucked up. That’s a different report on overall level of teacher’s salaries in the state of Illinois. You should have been looking for the individual teacher service records ending in June, 2010. The report you are looking at doesn’t go beyond comparing salaries between school districts.

    SOURCES:

    Salaries from ISBE,

    Teacher Service Records

    year Ending 6/30/10

    Here you go:

    http://www.isbe.state.il.us/research/htmls/teacher_service_record.htm

    It’s a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet.

    Looks like the guy was honest after all and you didn’t know what you were looking at.

    Here’s a handy database put together by Champion News so you can instantly see the salaries of teachers and administrators in Illinois:

    http://www.championnews.net/ftf_salaries.php

    And here’s a handy list of the top 100 teacher salaries from 2009-2010, which you claimed the author pulled out of his ass:

    http://www.championnews.net/article.php?sid=3042

  71. 71
    seagoon growls and barks:

    Response to VonZorch Imperial Researcher @:
    Yeah. This has got the nostalgia flowing from when I first started reading the Rott in late 2002- when it was a lifeline of actual entertainment and discourse to the wilds of Harbin. Good times (with the exception of a shop-job or two…)

  72. 72
    DarthBane growls and barks:

    As you can see, if you took a look at that Excel spreadsheet, when they claimed around 14,000 teachers in the state of Illinois were pulling in over 100,000 a year in base salary, they weren’t kidding.

    Just by glancing at this excel spreadsheet trying to find how many are making over $140,000 a year starting at the bottom and working my way up, I’ve passed hundreds making 100,000+ and I’ve only gone from lines 139,439 up to line 135,088.

    Remember, this spreadsheet is just BASE SALARY for teachers. It doesn’t include benefits and pension and health care and all that good stuff.

    Anyhoo, here’s what I found thus far by scanning from the bottom up to line 114319, as far as Illinois public school teachers pulling in $140,000 plus a year in base salary in 2010:

    line 135088 – Colby Vargas, a US History teacher that is pulling in $150,470 a year as of 2010.

    line 132432 – Rodney Lott, a Biology teacher making $145,682 a year as of 2010.

    line 132368 – Mark Onstott – a P.E. teacher making $147,343 a year

    line 131903 – Cindee Scott, a Resouce/Consultative Teacher making $145,208 a year

    line 133187 – Michael Clough, a Biology teacher making $144,530 a year.

    line 132869 – William Wandro, a Orientations to Business Occupations teacher making $146,804 a year

    Line 128060 – Terrence Shirley, a H.S. P.E. teacher $146,885

    line 128048 – John Adamowski, a Physics teacher making 163,587 a year

    line 127421 – Matthew Guth, a $143,973, a P.E. teacher

    line 127088 – James Miller, 140,274 a P.E. teacher

    line 127054 – William Skroch, a $151,700 a P.E. teacher

    line 126743 – Steven Knope, a H.S. Spanish Teacher, $143,521

    line 126676 – David Scott, a H.S. Drivers Ed. Teacher, $149,418

    line 126654 – Brian Kopecky, a P.E. Teacher$145,819

    line 122225 Julie Frost, a H.S. Spanish teacher, $154,744

    line 121427 – Harvey Braus, a H.S. World History teacher, $144,370

    line 114319 – James Nudera, a Driver Ed. teacher, $142,941,

    I’m less than 1/4 of the way through. I’ve passed, I would estimate, about 4,000 teachers making 100,000+ thus far, with most falling between the $110,00 to $130,000 area.

    In less than 30 minutes of looking I found 17 teachers making $140,000+ a year.

  73. 73
    DarthBane growls and barks:

    And since I had a little more time before I had to leave for work, I looked a bit further for another 30 minutes:

    114223 – Mark Egofske, 146,159, Health Ed.
    114124 – Lee Talley, 141,893, Radio and TV Broadcasting
    114083 – Andrew Livingston, $144,991, German
    113810 – Fred Bryant, $151,297, Other Business Occupations
    111327 – Renee DeWald, 155,904, Chemistry
    111247 – Jose Sosa, 143,805, P.E.
    111234 – Robin George, 143,219, Orientation to Business Occupations
    111177 – Scott McKinney, $151,032, Consumer Education
    111067 – Gary Lagesse, $149,629, Health Education
    110856 – Cynthia Philbin, $140,674, English as Second Language
    108514 – Michael Murin, $140,580, Spanish
    108457 – Robert Spagnoli, $149,476, Engineering Related Tech.
    108396 – Laura Kiedaisch, $149,730, Special Education
    108389 – Eileen Wudel, $142,498, Health Education
    108391 – Joseph Defalco, $168,222, Special Education
    106205 – Raymond Pettenuzzo, $153,476, P.E.
    105524 – Emma Visee, 141,882, Learning Behavior Specialist
    105392 – Marsha Weinstein, $140,734, Special Ed.
    103825 – Charles Ahsmann, 147,785, Physics
    103586 – Paul Krick, 142,333, Driver Education
    103514 – Terry Clarke, $142,604, Health Education
    103232 – Pamela Hendrix, 143,339, Instrumental Music

    If you’re counting, that’s 39 public school teachers pulling in $140,000+ in base salary in Illinois in 2010.

    And I’d estimate I’ve passed well over 2,0000 collecting $100,000+ in base salary thus far.

    Any public school teacher making over $100,000 a year in this recession should have no problem pay for more of their pension and benefits.

  74. 74
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    And Deej can’t speak Danish! :-p

    Not sure about his Russian either. But, then again, there are times I’m not sure about my Russian. I seem to only be able to recall the words I shouldn’t be using in polite company.

    Then again, since I don’t seem to be traveling a lot in polite company… :em93:

  75. 75
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    I think it has more to do with physics. We just wouldn’t exist anymore.

    But it would be one FUCK of an EPIC explosion, buddy!

  76. 76
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Yes, but we also knew the secret was that this is mostly about venting. We can actually have a real conversation off site without name calling or threatening to kill one another.

    And that’s the whole point. Oh yes, we went at it like fucking crazy, lock stock and barrel, and it’s great fun, but that’s not ALL that we are. SOME people are nothing but, but I don’t want to be one of “those” people. And I’ll be *damned* if I’ll put somebody in the “those people” category, and they DO exist, unless I’ve conclusively proven to myself that that’s all they are.

    And you’re not. You never were. And nor am I.

    Yes. We disagree. And we disagree on a bunch of points where I won’t give an inch, but that’s not the whole deal.

    Like the combatants in WWI, I like to think that, every once in while, we can take a break from the fighting and go play soccer in no-man’s land. With the ones who haven’t lost that side of themselves. Then we can go back to fighting afterwards.

    Works for me.

  77. 77
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    If you want, we can try an experiment like setting aside one day a week for completely open comments. Call it “Wild Fridays”, or something.

    That sounds like a great idea! Because, truth be told, I would like to be able to open up so people can comment without having to go through the registration process. PEOPLE, mind you, not spambots.

    Why don’t we try that?

  78. 78
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Darth Venomous says:

    Can I drop the Ban Hammer™ on the five worst?

    As long as they aren’t the funny ones. We may have to put it up to a vote at the end of Wild Weekends. :em93:

  79. 79
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    VonZorch Imperial Researcher says:

    So do I. BTW how about letting the old Emperors out of their secure guest quarters occasionally?

    I need to do that more often. The drunken fools are scaring the fuck out of the livestock anyways.

    Suggestion noted!

  80. 80
    DarthBane growls and barks:

    Hey guess what? I had some more free time!

    100804 – Robert Phillips, 148,232, Biology
    100601 – Pamela Kalafut, 142,446, Art
    100581 – Linda Oddo, 167,476, Speech
    100288 – Wayne Boeckelman, 145,265, Orientation to Business Occupations
    100270 – Jacklyn Naughton, 158,441, Biology
    100218 – Barbara Hertko, 140,342, Art
    97721 – Diane Clark, 142,953, English
    96551 – David Inserra, 142,852, P.E.
    96097 – Ralph Cortez, 143,501, Trigonometry
    95804 – Shirley Redmond, 160,555, P.E.
    95710 – Michael Donatucci, 149,673, P.E.
    95587 – Nicholas Romano, Psychology
    95549 – Pamela Jones, 142,718, English
    95516 – A Kerry Crum, 142,862, History
    95402 – Thomas Fidler, 156,476, P.E.
    95297 – Susan Rothchild, 167,564, Drama/Theater Arts
    95274 – Charles Gress, 141,370, Calculus
    92807 – Alan Hausfeld, 146,987, Drafting
    91173 – Mark Rebora, 140,012, P.E.
    90874 – Andrew Preuss, 151,089, Driver Education
    90893 – Timothy Ortmann, 148,801, Drama/Theater Arts
    90862 – Thomas Domin, 152,270, P.E.
    90703 – Alex Hipskind, 166,409, Political Science/Civics
    90378 – Pamela Taylor, 143,385, English
    88246 – Paul Groot, 150,145, Health Education
    87978 – Jerilyn Scardina, 142,604, P.E.
    87820 – Michael Rusniak, 145,888, English
    87694 – Douglas Blundy, 169,679, Calculus
    85631 – Nicolette Paplaczyk, 140,024, Learning Behavior Specialist I
    85612 – Joyce Rhea, 157,133, Special Ed.
    85476 – Steven Biddinger, 142,063, Algebra
    83140 – Leonard Serwat, 144,807, P.E.
    83137 – Anthony Scarpino, 146,934, P.E.
    83070 – Scott Fricke, 145,421, P.E.
    82773 – Doug Foerch, 158,399, P.E.
    82519 – Marketa Holecek, 148,064, Radio and TV Broadcasting
    81242 – Gregory Regalado, 140,492, Art
    80791 – Joann Pyritz, 142,020, P.E.
    80194 – Bruce Kendrick, 140,048, Geometry, Calculus
    77898 – William Koch, 145,990, Instrumental Music
    77229 – Michael Kayse, 142,657, US History, Geography
    77170 – Steven Fischer, 154,023, English
    76355 – Dean Norman, 148,004, P.E., Drivers Ed.
    75350 – Mark Larson, 151,997, English
    75135 – John Piazza, 141,352, P.E.
    75075 – Joseph Scahill, 149,039, P.E.
    72931 – Russell Marsh III, 153,100, Geometry, Trigonometry
    72484 – Carolyn Nelson, 141,477, P.E., Drivers Ed.
    72171 – Fred Dryanski, 151,823, P.E.
    69716 – Keith Kasper, 148,648, Special Ed.
    65599 – Thomas Dorrance, 145,943, Algebra
    65219 – Michael Wietlispach, 172,163, Physics
    65020 – Evan Richards, 144,355, Physics
    65007 – Gayle Luehr, 170,011, P.E.
    64995 – James Llorens, 160,529, P.E., Drivers Ed.
    64854 – Thomas Gallagher, 160,267, P.E.
    62673 – William Efrasio, 144,106, Spanish
    62531 – Christopher Keyes, 141,085, Instrumental Music
    62344 – Bruce Ratajczyk, 147,362, Drivers Ed., P.E.
    62242 – David Eanes, 144,191, Instrumental Music
    62216 – Rhonda Benson, 143,115, Drivers Ed.
    62185 – James Lonergan, 143,498, English
    62071 – Donald Zabelin, 146,626, Consumer Ed., Other Business Occupations

    We’re now up to 102 Illinois Public School teachers who are pulling in $140,000+ per year in base salary.

    And just think, I’m only halfway through the spreadsheet!

    Why did I pick the cutoff number of $140,000, when there thousands drawing between $100,000 and $139,999? Because $140,000 is double $70,000, which is a VERY GOOD salary in the private sector right now, where the median average is $55,550, according to sources compiled by USA Today:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

    So I took a very generous private sector salary and doubled it, and looked to see how many public school teachers in Illinois are earning above that figure.

    Somebody making $140,000 a year is going to have earned over a million dollars in their 8th year at that pay level.

    And I haven’t even looked at the administrator’s spreadsheet yet, where the base salaries they get are way higher than the teachers.

    Who knew that public service was one of the fastest routes to becoming a millionaire?

  81. 81
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Dang. My kid needs to move to Illinois. She’s only bringing in about 42K base pay, and that’s with two bachelor’s degrees and a master’s.

  82. 82
    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Lizard, G.L.O.R. says:
    DJ have I offended you that you do not respond to my questions and comments?
    Naw. I just don’t want to offend you.
    Seriously? I do what I have time to do. I keep getting accused of deliberately skipping questions and whatnot, but the reality is that I usually only have a minute or two to respond.
    Now that I have maybe three minutes before I have to take a meeting, I will try to respond to you.
    Masters? You are correct, not every teacher has a master degree. If they want to to advance, they will work to obtain one. I was probably a bit rash when I said that most teachers have them. What I meant to say was that most teachers who have been at it a while have them — and in most cases, they do it on their own dime.
    I have some friends who are teachers and they aren’t living it large. They are probably in the mid-forties as far as salary goes, they do spend a lot of their own time at home grading papers. A couple of them actually take on outside tutoring work to earn more money.
    But to insinuate that they are lazy or somehow robbing the taxpayer with their high paid salaries and Midas benefits? I just don’t see it.
    Public employees are NOT the problem with the budget issues. A prime example is to compare two states with roughly the same deficits — Texas and California. Texas doesn’t have public employee unions, whereas California does.
    The problem in both states is that they have a champagne appetite on a beer budget. Everyone wants the state to provide quality services but they don’t want to have to pay for them. We see the same thing on the federal level.
    Right now you pay less percentage wise in federal income tax than at any time in your lives, and yet you still think you are being taxed too much. Many of you don’t pay taxes at all yet you are still screaming about how badly the rich people have it (as if you are EVER going to get that rich). You don’t understand that in order for us to have gotten where we are today, we had to have a progressive tax system that helped to create a middle class.
    The thing is, what you are seeing today is the dismantling of that middle class. Do you honestly think that the top .5 percent of the people in this country really give a flying fuck about you and how you live? Their sole goal in life is to make sure that you never get to their level. They are set on creating a two-class society — them and you, and you will have just enough to get by on and that’s it.
    Try thinking beyond the sound bytes being fed to you. Try to take the scenario all the way out to its logical conclusion.

    Deej you did not offend me until you said that I am not thinking past the sound bytes. I suggest you do that since I have been fighting against the teachers union in my state since, well I guess since I turned 18 and voted the first time. You see being that I wanted to know who I was voting for I found out who these people running for school board were and what they stood for and about. At first I thought it was great that former teachers were on the board, then I saw how they voted and what they were really about. Raising teacher benefits and increasing pay, but reducing responsibility. I still remember the first time I was in a public school teacher’s lounge and to be honest it still annoys me just over 2 decades later. I was there to do my observation hours(not sure what it is now but at the time in WI in order to proceed to upper level education you had to meet 3 areas and the obsveration hours were part of that). So here I am a teacher to-be and all they could do was bitch about low pay, having to be there for evening parent’s nights and not get extra time off for it, and are now being asked to stay 30 min after school and provide tutoring and why is it their fault that the kids are too dumb to learn. Oh the horror, they were being asked to ACTUALLY DO THEIR JOB. I remember when I was living in CA teaching the newspaper had the headline the LA Unified schools scored higher than Milwaukee Public Schools, the leaders of LA Unified were basically trying to say they were not so bad because they were better than a Midwest school district. I had to laugh since I knew how bad MPS was and it has only gotten worse.
    They teacher’s union does not want the Choice program and Charter program increased because they have no control over them and it creates competition in regards to education success. So rather than just being paid regardless of what you are actually doing, you have to actually work to keep the kids in your school. OMG just like everyone else, you have to WORK and compete with another entity providing the same service. Again oh the horror.

    This has been a fight long in the making in my state. I am still waiting for people to get the understanding that MPS teachers actually get 2 pensions.

    OH and my governor just gave a GREAT speech to the assembly and part of the senate.

  83. 83
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Lizard, G.L.O.R. says:

    Deej you did not offend me until you said that I am not thinking past the sound bytes.

    That’s the standard libbie talking point when we disagree with them. With my buddy, i’m always being accused of parroting Rush and Hannity.

  84. 84
    Andy growls and barks:

    Holy cow! You guys are actually going to experiment with open posting? Cool! As a long time lurker, I’ve been waiting for this day!

    I must disclaim, however, that I am a *looks left, looks right* a liberal. However, that doesn’t mean I’ve turned my brain off.

    Thought occurs to me on the teachers’ salaries that Darthbane posted. What are the longetivity statistics for these teachers? How long have they been on the job? I know teachers in my home district who are making six figures, yes, but that have been on the job for 25-30 years.