Oh The Spin, It Is Hilarious!

And a big thank you to the Washington Compost for summarizing the NSDWP talking points about how utterly insignificant the WI recall election is and their numerous excuses why their candidate was really very, very popular but nevertheless, UNFAIRLY, lost to a clearly inferior Walker.

* The Democratic primary: To hear those who worked in the trenches of the recall tell it, the fact that Democrats had a contested primary between Barrett and former Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk bears considerable responsibility for Walker’s victory.

Unclean Thinking!™ The Evil Kathleen Falk is to blame! Funnily enough, the “damaging” GOP primaries don’t seem to have hurt Mittens McRomney all that much.

* Money: As of Monday, more than $63 million has been spent on the recall fight with Walker and his conservative allies vastly outspending Barrett and other Democratic-aligned groups.

Walker himself had raised in excess of $30 million for the recall campaign while Barrett collected just under $4 million.

And let’s not talk about the $100 million that the unions spent trying to AxelTurf the vote out for Barrett because… RACIST!

* 2010: There was considerable internal discussion and disagreement between Washington and Wisconsin Democrats (and organized labor) about whether to push for a recall election this summer or wait until 2014 for a chance to unseat Walker. (Washington Democrats broadly favored the latter option, Wisconsin Democrats and labor the former).

As the recall played out, two things became clear: 1) There were almost no one undecided in the race and 2) those few souls who were undecided tended to resist the recall effort on the grounds that Walker had just been elected in 2010.

The sentiment among those undecided voters, according to several Democrats closely monitoring the data, was that while they didn’t love Walker they thought he deserved a full term before passing final judgment on how he was performing.

The voters of Wisconsin really, truly LOVED Barrett and hated Walker with the fury of a thousand suns, but they just didn’t like the recall election!

Of course, had it gone the other way, the Washington Compost would now be trumpeting the victory of people power over entrenched corrupt GOPism and G-d knows what else.

* Milwaukee: As is true in any state that has a single dominant city — in terms of population, profile etc. — there is resentment toward that city from everyone who doesn’t live in it.

Barrett’s ties to Milwaukee, therefore, wound up hurting him far worse than many Democrats expected at the start of the contest.

Wisconsin voters were really all behind getting that evil ScottHitler out of the governor’s mansion, but they just didn’t like that his opponent was from Milwaukee. After all, what does ideology matter if your candidate doesn’t have the right zip code?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

We’re going to be having so incredibly, indecently much fun watching the Liberal Fascist Media trying to spin that 24-egg omelet off of their fascist little faces!

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thatisall.

39 comments

  1. 1
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    :em05:

    These morons picked this fight with a completely bogus recall process chocked full of fake names allowed by corrupt judges who also neutralized our Voter ID law by tying it up in legal limbo.

    AND THEY STILL GOT THEIR ASSES SPANKED!!!

    :em05:

  2. 2
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Gunsniper, let’s hope the slumbering giant stays awake at least through November, and hopefully through most, if not all, of 2013. Perhaps if Teh Peepul nag and bitch and threaten to pimp slap their elected representatives enough, all of Ear Leader’s Commie Crap can be reversed, voter intimidation on the part of Eric Holder’s People can be prosecuted, Ogabe and Holder can be turned over to the Mexican government to be prosecuted for their part of Fast and Furious, and so on.
    It would be hilarious as hell to see Jugears and Holder being someones bitches in a Mexican prison. :em05:

  3. 3
    LC MaxMomFL growls and barks:

    I’ve said it all along. I want Obama carefully protected from assassination. But, I want him openly tried and sentenced for incarceration.

  4. 4

    LC Gunsniper @ #:
    Even the illegal and deceased voters are getting smart! :em05: :em01: :em05:

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    BigDogg growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 @ #:
    You’re traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.

  7. 7
    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    Anybody see the video of Barret getting slapped by that little bitch of a supporter? It’s on The Blaze, and they now have TWO angles of it. Heheheheeeeee!

    I guess you could say the Milwaukee Moron got bitch-slapped by both the voters AND supporters! :em05:

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    Rain growls and barks:

    I have to say that some faith in my home state has been restored. I was born and raised in Milwaukee, nice to see that there’s some measure of sanity left there.

  9. 9
    LC MaxMomFL growls and barks:

    .Igor, Imperial Booby says:

    Anybody see the video of Barret getting slapped by that little bitch of a supporter? It’s on The Blaze, and they now have TWO angles of it. Heheheheeeeee!

    I guess you could say the Milwaukee Moron got bitch-slapped by both the voters AND supporters!

    Oh the libs and their whinny temper tantrums. So entertaining.

    I normally don’t like Hannity, (because of his interviewing techniques and seeming inability to stay on point…just annoys me) but he comes on before Levin and I end up listening off and on. Today, they were taking calls from unhinged libs who couldn’t articulate their anger very well, just sputtering and accusing without any specifics. Hannity was actually toying with one, Levin-style. For a moment…I was impressed

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #10:

    Thank you. Ask in a previous thread and ye shall receive. :em01:

  12. 12
    Bitter Clinger growls and barks:

    The MSM’s new motto:

    “Who are you gonna believe, us or your lying elections?” :em04:

  13. 13
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Ass. Press posted this interesting tidbit at 7:20 this evening.

    Democrats are trying to save face after almost all the Republicans made short work of their recall challengers Tuesday night.

    Walker handily dispatched Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett and Kleefisch easily defeated Mahlon Mitchell. Fitzgerald stopped Fort Atkinson photographer Lori Compas; Republican Sen. Terry Moulton of Chippewa Falls defeated Kristen Dexter of Eau Claire; and Republican Jerry Petrowski of Marathon stopped Donna Seidel of Wausau to win Galloway’s open seat.

    It appeared Wanggaard had the edge on challenger John Lehman in Racine’s 21st Senate District early on, too. But updates on the results slowed to a trickle as the night dragged on and sunrise was approaching by the time the count was completed. The unofficial tally showed Lehman leading Wanggaard by fewer than 800 votes. [HERE WE GO AGAIN.]

    Lehman, a former high school history teacher who held the 21st Senate seat until Wanggard defeated him in 2010, quickly proclaimed he was the winner and his fellow Democrats lined up behind him.

    But Wanggaard (R), a former police investigator, has refused to concede. He said his supporters are pressing him to seek a recount.

    The election was rife with what he termed “voting irregularities,” he said in a statement. He didn’t elaborate, but Fitzgerald said he heard people were still voting at 11 p.m., three hours after polls were supposed to close.

    Racine County Clerk Wendy Christensen didn’t immediately return a message. Reid Magney, a spokesman for the Government Accountability Board, the entity that oversees Wisconsin elections, said he hadn’t heard of any problems at the polls.

    Regardless, Wanggaard said he wants to wait until Racine County has completed its official vote count before making a move, he said.

    “We all know that the best decisions are made when well-rested and after consideration of all the options,” Wanggaard said.

    Wisconsin candidates can request a recount within three business days of county officials completing their final tally if they can articulate a reason for the review.

    Racine County officials have until Friday to receive 529 outstanding absentee ballots, Magney said, and aren’t expected to begin their count until next week.

    Wanggaard would be on the hook to pay for a portion of the recount’s costs. Under state law, candidates requesting a recall in races involving more than 1,000 votes must pay $5 per ward if the margin between the candidates is between half a percent and 2 percent of the vote.

    The margin between Lehman and Wanggaard is 1 percent. According to the GAB, the race involved 137 wards. That means Wanggaard would owe $685.

    Do you reckon any patriots have sent Wanggaard that $685 yet? OH, and the Ass Press admits that even if the Dimwits won stole the election, the “victory” would be largely symbolic, because they’re not in session until January and will just have to fight the battle all over again in November.

    This is a great opportunity for the GOP to find its balls and really got to the mattresses over the Dimwits’ constant election fraud. Bussing in people from out of state, keeping polls open until all hours, I mean, WHEN are we going to kick them in the nutz like they deserve?

  14. 14
    Bitter Clinger growls and barks:

    The new motto of the MSM:

    “Who are ya gonna believe, us or your lying elections?” :em05:

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    And let’s not talk about the $100 million that the unions spent trying to AxelTurf the vote out for Barrett because… RACIST!

    Okay, I felt the centrifugal forces on THAT spin…

    Me thinks you have it backwards, sir. The union and the dems spent somewhere in the neighborhood of about $3 million. Walker and Crossroads GPS and other SuperPACs spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $60 million and some think it may have reached $100 million for both the 2011 and 2012 recall races. All for a recall election to keep a somewhat flawed candidate in office.

    Imagine what they could do with someone with a clean slate.

    You apparently don’t get it. $100 million in a state election in a minor state is a sign that our political system is compromised. I don’t give a shit who won the election — where I DO have a problem is the fact that someone BOUGHT the election.

    And this is the blueprint for future elections.

    Are you comfortable with the idea that a corporation or a “Super PAC” can spend $100 million to influence the outcome of our elections? What if that candidate were someone you didn’t like?

    WE the PEOPLE no longer really have a say in our electoral process. A little bit of it is eroded all the time, and we don’t notice it. Or if we do, we don’t push back.

    One man, one vote. That is only part of it. It has gotten to the point where nobody really knows who or what we are voting for because we are being fed nothing but propaganda that makes anything Stalin ever did look like amateur hour. There is no truth in campaigning, no requirement for the corporate media to tell us the truth. We are fed competing lies and we have to try and sort it all out ourselves. At the end of the day, it comes down to who has the slickest ads, and who can fear-monger the best.

    Oh, for someone to invent a shirt that changes color to tell when a politician is lying. Require them to wear that shirt in public wherever he or she goes. Require them to wear something like NASCAR jackets that have patches of all the corporate sponsors and special interests who try to buy him off.

    Better yet, take the money OUT of our elections and out of our government. Give each candidate a set amount of time and space in the media one day a week for six months to make their case as to why we should elect them. Hold a few public debates on the taxpayer dime, and then after eight weeks, hold an election and get it over with.

    Big Media would screech like hyenas, but who cares? Amend the FCC rules to make it a mandatory requirement to obtain and hold their license. (the fairness doctrine had a similar provision and it made perfect sense. The are OUR airwaves we just lease them to the broadcasters)

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    I don’t give a shit who won the election

    Yes you do or you wouldn’t be foaming at the mouth over it. I didn’t hear a peep from anyone when the billion dollar campaign of jugears outspent McCain four to one in 2008.

    — where I DO have a problem is the fact that someone BOUGHT the election.

    I bought one hundred dollars worth between 2011 and now. One of the best hundred dollars I spent.

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    LC Gunsniper says:

    I bought one hundred dollars worth between 2011 and now. One of the best hundred dollars I spent.

    Kinda stole my thunder there Snipe.

    Libs want campaign “finance reform”? Fine. Remove all restrictions on American citizens and corporations. No limits. And full disclosure of the contributors identity. Donate as much as you want, to whoever you want. But everybody will know (Deej’s NASCAR sponsor patches if you will.)

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Almost forgot…

    Me thinks you have it backwards, sir. The union and the dems spent somewhere in the neighborhood of about $3 million.

    Pure nonsense. Barret spent 4 million and the unions backed him up with 21 million. If you want to vent on someone vent on the DNC who wouldn’t spend money on this loser of a moronic recall election. Get pissed at the unions for pursuing this stupid recall election in the first place.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    LC Gunsniper says:

    Yes you do or you wouldn’t be foaming at the mouth over it. I didn’t hear a peep from anyone when the billion dollar campaign of jugears outspent McCain four to one in 2008.

    NO I DON’T. It isn’t my state.

    I just pointed out how the statement was wrong. Unions didn’t spend $100 million to do this failed recall. $100 million as it relates to the unions is the amount of concessions the unions made in their contract before Walker et al started stripping them of their benefits. There just appears to be a confusion of events here.

    You might want to read this breakdown of the money spent.

    Contrary to that meme about the unions spending $100 million, we have this:

    AFSCME, the union that represents government workers, spent at least $4.3 million, while the AFL-CIO raised $1.25 million and the teachers union, the NEA, spent $1.1 million. The SEIU spent $920,000.

    Now go look at where the OTHER money came from and where it went.

    All I am doing is pointing out a mistake Misha made, that’s all.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Oh, and here is how the 2012 Presidential Beauty Pageant is shaking out when it comes to money spent:

    The donors bankrolling the 2012 super PACs

    Tell me that there isn’t an election being bought. You cannot tell me with a straight face this is what those founding fathers you all love to refer to wanted…

  21. 21
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Okay, I felt the centrifugal forces on THAT spin…

    Me thinks you have it backwards, sir. The union and the dems spent somewhere in the neighborhood of about $3 million.

    Because the busing, the Astroturfing, the organizing and all that jazz obviously DOESN’T count as it wasn’t a campaign contribution. Ever heard of “in kind” contributions? Or do you really, honestly think that all of that organizing and rent-a-mobbing was free?

    Because if you do, I’d like to buy that Space Needle from you, seeing as how I know I’ll be able to sell it right back to you with a tidy profit.

    You see, that’s also what Citizens United was about, above and beyond the clear and obvious infringement upon 1st Amendment rights inherent in forbidding people to spend their own damn money any way they see fit, including the support of politicians they like. I agree it was a nice little deal that the NSDWP struck with that RINO fuckwad McVain, shutting only “certain people” out of the process while making sure that the Ogabe Steno Pool and the unions were free to spend as much as they wanted on supporting NSDWP candidates, but that doesn’t make it right.

    But, sure, let’s continue pretending that all of those political union operatives really didn’t require a red dime for their upkeep.

    Then how is it that when Obunghole spent $1 billion, with a “b”, on buying the presidency all of that money in politics wasn’t a problem, yet now it suddenly is?

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    LC hilljohnny growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Are you comfortable with the idea that a corporation or a “Super PAC” can spend $100 million to influence the outcome of our elections?

    i would like to see corporations prohibited from any donations or advertisement concerning politics. only registered voters should be able to give money and that restricted to say $2,000 per voter per year divided amongst the candidates he supports. and no PAC money either.

  23. 23
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    Are you comfortable with the idea that a corporation or a “Super PAC” can spend $100 million to influence the outcome of our elections? What if that candidate were someone you didn’t like?

    A whole lot more comfortable than I am with the idea that our “betters” in Washington DC can decide, based on their political preferences whatever they might be, who gets to influence politics and who doesn’t. And that’s just me and the 1st Amendment speaking.

    Whoever wants to spend their money and/or time on whatever candidate they desire is their RIGHT, even if, PARTICULARLY if, I don’t particularly like the candidate in question. By imposing all of those idiotic rules regarding donations etc. we’re only inviting shenanigans which will make the whole process even LESS transparent.

    You mentioned the Super PACs. Great point. McSwine/Feinturd was supposed to get money out of politics. The only thing we got was an even harder job when it came to figuring out who gave what to whom.

    If you’re going to make restrictions on who can speak and not speak and yes, spending money and time on a candidate’s campaign IS speech, then you’re creating a country that has nothing to do with what the Founders intended.

    This is not to say that I’m utterly indifferent to the influence of money on politics, because I’m most certainly not.

    But there are no degrees of freedom of speech. Either you have it, or you don’t.

    If we were to cut back on that influence, and I personally think that we should, and that goes for both sides, then we should look into term limits. If your bought and paid for candidate will only be in office for two or three terms (or whatever the number might be), the investment suddenly isn’t worth as much as if you can theoretically keep the whore in office until he croaks. That would reduce the value of seats which, as is basic knowledge for anybody who knows the first thing about markets and economics, would bring down the price anybody would be willing to pay.

    We managed to impose term limits on presidents, we can do it for Congress Parasites as well.

  24. 24
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #21:

    It was a simple concept, Misha. Either you are comfortable with democracy for sale or you aren’t.

    The point was that you tried to say that — and I’ll quote:

    And let’s not talk about the $100 million that the unions spent trying to AxelTurf the vote out for Barrett because… RACIST!

    And you were incorrect

    bzzzzzzt and all that.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    A whole lot more comfortable than I am with the idea that our “betters” in Washington DC can decide, based on their political preferences whatever they might be, who gets to influence politics and who doesn’t. And that’s just me and the 1st Amendment speaking.

    I think you miss the entire picture here, Misha. Our democracy is under a serious attack. Right now it appears to benefit your “team”. But guess what, soon it WON’T be your team and you are stuck with what you’ve allowed to happen.

    This is bigger than Wisconsin. Wisconsin was just the dry run. Hell, the next election is just the dry run. You and I — we have no control over our government. We are allowing Big Money to literally take over. If you think they give a flying fuck about YOU then you are fucking stupid.

    Jesus Christ, wake the fuck up! This has NOTHING to do with political ideology any more, we are literally giving away the fucking store here.

    Romney/Obama — who gives a shit? Walker? Again, unimportant. These are just test puppets.

    LC hilljohnny @ #22:

    I think you get it. Corporations, unions, organizations and other fictional entities are NOT people, regardless of what five robes of the Supreme Court say. The founding fathers would be livid right now if they thought we’d lost our way as much as we have on this. Especially given their early views of how limited a corporation should be.

    Hint: A corporation is a legal fiction. It was only meant as a limited single purpose entity that as meant to die once that purpose was completed. It was NEVER meant to own other corporations, have a “voice” and enjoy the same rights and privileges as a living, breathing individual.

    Additionally, most of today’s modern corporations — especially the publically held corporations are mufti-national. In other words, they are made up of NON US CITIZENS. Yet some people don’t see the problem with giving them the same rights as a US citizen, and a “voice” to influence US elections.

    They are too fucking ignorant to understand that even countries like Iran and North Korea actually own stock in a lot of these companies, and that entities like the US Chamber of Commerce actually acts as a conduit for a lot of these nations that we are at odds with.

    Yes, hilljohnny, you are right — corporations — and unions, and any other non-human, non-US citizen — should be barred from participating in our electoral process. No money, no lobbying, NO INVOLVEMENT PERIOD.

    Misha, much or our problems, much of our debacles that come out of Washington are the direct result of money from special interests used to buy our elected official’s vote. Even your revered Tea Party people who went to Washington in a big way in 2010 are now compromised with accepting Big Money from banks and other special interests. Look it up, it is there for all of you to see.

    Why does this happen? I mean, these people ran on a platform that they were against bailouts and all of that shit. Yet now they are accepting bribes in the form of campaign contributions from the very banks that were bailed out.

    Do you think this is some innocent “gift”? That there are no strings attached?

    Our system is broke. Forget our personal political positions — all of that is no longer important. I can sit here and tell you honestly that I do NOT give a flying fuck who is elected. Obama was compromised from the get-go. Romney is compromised. We cannot trust ANY of them with the system we have.

    Are Obama or Romney bad people? No, I just think they are two sides of the same coin. But they are there as a result of a system that has been taken over.

    I think we can agree that we cannot trust the corporate media. We can’t trust ANY of the media. It is ALL propaganda as far as I’m concerned.

    I know, I sound like a crackpot right now. But look at what I am saying and prove me wrong.

    I don’t want ANY Big Money in our elections or influencing our government. Your representative is SUPPOSED to be representing YOU. Do you feel that he/she is doing that? Do you think ANY of them are representing their people?

    It’s late, and I am rambling.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    And you were incorrect

    bzzzzzzt and all that.

    Well, OK then. If the Washington Compost says it, then it MUST be true.

    We can argue about the actual number, dollars and cents, until the cows come home, but if you still seriously believe that the unions only spent a couple of million on their effort, then we might as well just leave it at that.

    I can’t cure stupid.

    DJ Allyn says:

    I think you miss the entire picture here, Misha. Our democracy is under a serious attack. Right now it appears to benefit your “team”. But guess what, soon it WON’T be your team and you are stuck with what you’ve allowed to happen.

    Are you fucking kidding me? As if I didn’t know already? Did you utterly miss the part where I mentioned the billion, with a B, dollars that the other team spent in 2008?

    My only problem with that was that Ogabe deliberately disabled all security measures on his website so’s to make it absolutely certain that anybody in the entire world could hand over their dough to influence a U.S. election which, in case you haven’t been paying attention in school, is illegal AND that we’re all supposed to pretend it never happened.

    And now that is all OK, but every cent that anybody in the actual US donated to Scott Walker is, since the liberal regressive fascists lost, completely UNHEARD of.

    I’m sick and fucking tired of the hypocrisy. Some pigs are better pigs than other pigs.

    And if you want to pretend that Barrett lost because he only had $2.75 while the Koch brother nazi fascists funneled three quadzillion bucks into Walker’s campaign, that every single second of effort by the brownshirt unions on behalf of Barrett amount to absolutely nothing in “in kind” contributions, then more power to you. At least have the fucking decency to share whatever the fuck you’re on, because it’s some amazingly powerful shit.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Tell me that there isn’t an election being bought. You cannot tell me with a straight face this is what those founding fathers you all love to refer to wanted…

    The recall election wasn’t bought. More people, including myself voted to keep Scott Walker because he is a damn good governor who saved the state from the kind of financial ruin destined to happen to California and Illinois. He had the courage of conviction to do what was right and necessary and didn’t flinch in the face of tremendous pressure from the goonions crime cabal and their Democrat patsies. The voters of Wisconsin recognized this and turned out at the polls in droves and rightly rejected that clown shoe Barrett in no uncertain terms. I, nor any other voter received a check or stipend or even a wad of cash in a brown paper bag for our vote (although I can’t account for the “voters” shipped in from other states by the goonions to throw the election their way.)

    Another important detail is the fact that Kathleen Falk rather than Tom Barrett was the goonion’s choice for Governor so if Barrett’s support was overly thin in your estimation that’s a pretty strong reason why.

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    At least have the fucking decency to share whatever the fuck you’re on, because it’s some amazingly powerful shit.

    You might want to use caution, Emperor.

    I’ve obtained a few doses and It is powerful shit yet if you sample it, you’ll get an insight into DJ’s fear and loathing of corporations. :lol:

    For any brave soul who is ready to partake: CLICK HERE

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Well, OK then. If the Washington Compost says it, then it MUST be true.

    It was the first one in the list — and it provided a graphic. Plus, they were only quoting from the same source that virtually every other media outlet was quoting from.

    I’m sorry, but Mad Magazine’s latest issue isn’t out yet… :em05:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    We can argue about the actual number, dollars and cents, until the cows come home, but if you still seriously believe that the unions only spent a couple of million on their effort, then we might as well just leave it at that.

    I can’t cure stupid.

    No, but you can cure stubbornness.

    The funny thing is that these things are tracked, and if you just take a couple of minutes to do some independent research instead of simply being spoon-fed from your favorite trough, you can actually see where certain “exaggerations” are being made.

    I can’t trust the “blogoshere” for any real information — it is all derived from the echo chamber that it created. For example, you post one of your colorful opinions based on someone else’s poetic license in writing (and I am being kind in most cases), and a few people pick up your post and regurgitates choice parts in it and posts it on their blogs. Other people down the line read those blogs and does the same. Before you know it, the meme is created and it comes back to you as some sort of validation of your “truth”.

    You made a statement that unions spent $100 million to unseat Walker. Using the Google machine I went out in search of this insanely high figure — and what do you think I found?

    Well, almost nothing. There was YOU a couple of days ago, another fella who posted shortly after, and then yesterday Mike Flynn on Breitbart mentions that figure although gives no source of the ass he pulled it out of.

    Give it another day or two, and this will propagate all over the Google Machine as more people pick it up and run with it. It has already started.

    I am sure that you weren’t the genesis of this particular meme — you gaffled it up from some other source that had nothing to back its claim either. Such is how our information is these days — which gets me back to my original point.

    Our information is controlled with propaganda. Big Media — controlled by Big Money, that now has a “voice” thanks to the Supreme Court can say whatever they want to say, message anything they want to in order to sway you into doing their bidding. And cow-eyed, you will follow right along with it.

    The irony in the amount of money spent by EVERYONE in the Wisconsin recall effort probably did more to stimulate the economy in that state than anything Scott Walker could have done. But contrary to your $100 million claim the unions did NOT spend that kind of money.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Are you fucking kidding me? As if I didn’t know already? Did you utterly miss the part where I mentioned the billion, with a B, dollars that the other team spent in 2008?

    That is going to be a drop in the bucket when you compare to the FLOOD of money that has been earmarked this time around.

    It went from terrible to fucking insane on the meter.

    Instead of closing up the flow of special interest money in our elections, the Supreme Court opened up the flood gates to UNLIMITED money from UNKNOWN sources. SuperPacs can now bundle money from sources without ever having to name where it came from. The US Chamber of Commerce can collect money from other countries — including those who do business with our enemies — and bundle that money into a money laundered package to influence our elections.

    Perhaps you don’t understand where I come down on this. I want ALL money out of our elections. If given a choice, I would rather give each candidate a million dollars and six months to make their case to the American people. After six months, we can judge how they were able to effectively spend that money to convince us that they are the person for the job — and we vote on them.

    Radio and television shouldn’t be a problem. They should be required to set aside a certain number of prime time hours each month for those six months for the purpose of showcasing these candidates. After all, We the People own the airwaves and the broadcast companies only lease them on a license.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    My only problem with that was that Ogabe deliberately disabled all security measures on his website so’s to make it absolutely certain that anybody in the entire world could hand over their dough to influence a U.S. election which, in case you haven’t been paying attention in school, is illegal AND that we’re all supposed to pretend it never happened.

    How do you KNOW it happened? Oh wait, that came from the Washington Compost! So I am confused… it CAN’T be true, right? Or can it? ARRRGGGG!

    :em05:

    Seriously… I agree with you on this one. I am not a one-way road on this stuff. Goose and gander — a gaggle of them will leave large chunks of shit on your front lawn.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    And if you want to pretend that Barrett lost because he only had $2.75 while the Koch brother nazi fascists funneled three quadzillion bucks into Walker’s campaign, that every single second of effort by the brownshirt unions on behalf of Barrett amount to absolutely nothing in “in kind” contributions, then more power to you. At least have the fucking decency to share whatever the fuck you’re on, because it’s some amazingly powerful shit.

    Barrett lost because Walker is a better campaigner. It also helped that he could flood the airwaves with political ads, and tailor those ads for whatever publication or website they appeared in. He even had ads on Liberal talk radio that were tailored for the Liberal listener.

    Messaging — THAT is what wins elections. With enough money, you can get ANYONE elected. But is that how we want to pick our elected officials? The person with the most money spent?

    Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t about Scott Walker or Barrett. I could really give a shit between the two of them. I don’t live there, I don’t have to be subjected to whatever they do. Wisconsin voters made their choice — they can live with it.

    I’m must looking at the bigger picture here. I do not want to see this as a model for our election process. I am not comfortable with huge sums of money being spent to elect our leaders. I am not comfortable about hiring our Senators and Representatives only to have them go to Washington and spend more time raising money for their next campaign than they do actually doing what we hired them to do.

    Take the money out of the equation, and we might actually get some people in office that listen to US and OUR needs for a change. Not the needs of those with the big bucks to spend.

    We might actually have less arguments too.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    I can’t trust the “blogoshere” for any real information — it is all derived from the echo chamber that it created. For example, you post one of your colorful opinions based on someone else’s poetic license in writing (and I am being kind in most cases), and a few people pick up your post and regurgitates choice parts in it and posts it on their blogs. Other people down the line read those blogs and does the same. Before you know it, the meme is created and it comes back to you as some sort of validation of your “truth”.

    You made a statement that unions spent $100 million to unseat Walker. Using the Google machine I went out in search of this insanely high figure — and what do you think I found?

    Well, almost nothing. There was YOU a couple of days ago,

    Fine, fine, fine. You’re right that I got the number from somewhere else, and I’ll freely admit that it might be wrong. The number isn’t relevant. If it turns out that it was “only” 76.4 million, my point still stands, which is that it’s laughably pathetic to suggest that the only thing the unions did to buy this election (and FAILED, FAILED, FAILED, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!) was the measly amounts that were directly donated to Barrett’s campaign.

    You want to talk about the number instead. Fine. I opened myself up to that by putting up a number there. But my point is that you can’t just call all of the union political operatives’ work, all of the busing, the Astroturfing etc. “not a contribution”, because that’s just plain silly.

    DJ Allyn says:

    Barrett lost because Walker is a better campaigner.

    Of course. It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with Wisconsinites perhaps liking Walker better than Barrett because… SHUT UP! If somebody who isn’t a Democrat Socialist ever wins anything anywhere, it had absolutely NOTHING to do with the voters liking the non-NSDWP candidate better because, well, Look For The Union Label! It’s always better! Something nefarious is going on if the Union Choice doesn’t win.

    Keep this up and I’m going to start calling you Debbie Wasserman-Schultzie. She provides me with endless entertainment because she, being about as intelligent as boiled cabbage, can’t utter a word until she’s had the latest revision of the mandatory DNC talking points software update downloaded, at which point she’s like a fucking toy parrot with a string down its arse.

    “Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, SQUAWWWWK, Polly wants a cracker!, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections, Wisconsin didn’t reject Barrett because they prefer Walker, they did it because they don’t like recall elections.”

    :em05:

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    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    because she, being about as intelligent as boiled cabbage,

    What’d boiled cabbage ever do to you? :em05:

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    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    Are you comfortable with the idea that a corporation or a “Super PAC” can spend $100 million to influence the outcome of our elections?

    Well, given that Bambi’s looking to tap into his illegal sources again – yeah, I’ll sleep tonight.

    (EDIT: looks like that link was from 2008. But I have heard that he’s removed the safeguards this year too. If I have time, I’ll try to locate the link. It’s probably on Malicious Malkin’s site.)

    (2nd EDIT: here’s a current link.)

    Romney/Obama — who gives a shit? Walker? Again, unimportant. These are just test puppets.

    Oh, Deej, I could tell you exactly what this is the run-up to, but you just think it’s a fairytale, so I’ll pass.

    Perhaps you don’t understand where I come down on this. I want ALL money out of our elections. If given a choice, I would rather give each candidate a million dollars and six months to make their case to the American people. After six months, we can judge how they were able to effectively spend that money to convince us that they are the person for the job — and we vote on them.

    Radio and television shouldn’t be a problem. They should be required to set aside a certain number of prime time hours each month for those six months for the purpose of showcasing these candidates. After all, We the People own the airwaves and the broadcast companies only lease them on a license.

    Okay, just for the sake of argument (and I do like the argument, don’t get me wrong), let’s just go ahead & implement that system. An extra-extra-large for each candidate. (And what the hell, let’s throw our resident Paultard, Duke Wayne, a bone – let’s give a mil to Dr. Dumbass, too.) Hell – let’s make it two or three million – air time ain’t cheap nowadays.

    What do you think’s gonna happen? Do you honestly believe the candidates won’t find a way around that limitation?

    And what about the parties? And the PACs? (I won’t even mention the super PACs.) They’ll be doing circles around the limitation. Try & stop ‘em? Wanna clog up the court system even further? ‘Cause I promise you a flurry of lawsuits if you try & take their First Amendment right away again. Speech, the right to spend one’s money the way one wants, the right to assemble peaceably…shall I go on?

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    The number isn’t relevant. If it turns out that it was “only” 76.4 million, my point still stands, which is that it’s laughably pathetic to suggest that the only thing the unions did to buy this election (and FAILED, FAILED, FAILED, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!) was the measly amounts that were directly donated to Barrett’s campaign.

    But it IS relevant. And so is your revision of that number — because it isn’t anywhere near the truth. Both numbers are a complete fabrication — and an exaggeration — in order to embellish a point to absurdity.

    But as you can see — using actual data — the fact is that while the dems spent a lot of money, the Republicans spent substantially more. Quite a bit more, actually. So the question is, who REALLY bought this election? All you have to do is see how much money each side spent.

    If you ask me, BOTH sides spent more than they should have, and BOTH sides had money spent by special interests. You talk about out of state unions, and say nothing about billionaires like Sheldon Adelson from Las Vegas who has absolutely zero interests in the state of Wisconsin, spending money to influence an election.

    How about THIS for a money quote (pardon the pun):

    “I’m against very wealthy ­people attempting to or influencing elections,” he shrugs. “But as long as it’s doable I’m going to do it. Because I know that guys like Soros have been doing it for years, if not decades. And they stay below the radar by creating a network of corporations to funnel their money. I have my own philosophy and I’m not ashamed of it. I gave the money because there is no other legal way to do it. I don’t want to go through ten different corporations to hide my name. I’m proud of what I do and I’m not looking to escape recognition.”

    Well he has a good point about how bad it is that Soros is doing it. But it is one thing to fund political groups, but yet a completely different thing to get directly involved in an actual campaign. I could care less that the Koch brothers started the Heritage Foundation and a few other political think tanks. I don’t have a problem with Soros funding the Center for American Progressives. AS LONG AS THEY AREN’T INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL FUNDING OF CANDIDATES. There has to be a line between supporting political causes and buying influence. I think that with Citizens United, that line has not only been blurred, but it has been eliminated.

    I think you might misunderstand what my beef actually is on all of this. I no longer care about the political ideology involved here. Left, Right — I don’t care as long as it is the majority of PEOPLE, making an informed decision based on actual facts instead of propaganda gets to make that choice.

    With all of this “information highway” we rely on these days, reality and fact has been thrown under the bus in favor of who spends the money to control the message. You scream loud about the “Main Stream Media” not telling the truth. The funny thing is, people on the Left are screaming the exact same thing! We ALL know we are being duped, but we are pitted against each other because we are being set up into not believing our lying eyes.

    The founding fathers believed that our media would keep our government honest. They believed in an independent media. But they never envisioned a media that was controlled by a handful of mega-corporations with multi-national ties.

    I remember when there used to be thousands of independent newspapers and radio and television stations that might have a network affiliation, but were independently controlled by families or small corporations with interests in the community in which they operated in. A city might have more than one paper who competed for news scoops, and their honesty and integrity was their product. Radio and television stations were required by law to provide programming to serve the “public interest, convenience and necessity”. That was usually accomplished in the form of providing public news programming just before prime time.

    News programs were not considered revenue generators — they were a requirement to satisfy that “public interest, convenience and necessity” part of their broadcast license. But broadcasters figured out that the best time to satisfy this requirement was around 5PM every week day, when people got home from work and sat down to eat. The idea was that if they could attract an audience to watch the news, they could keep a lot of them on that station to watch their prime time programming right after the news.

    But to gain an audience they had to provide a better news reporting than the station up the dial. Competition kicked in with the other stations all vying for the same television audience. Each had to be more “honest”, “reliable”, “first”, with “integrity” in their reporting. They couldn’t get caught in a lie or a mistake. They had a journalistic reputation to uphold. They weren’t afraid to expose news of corruption no matter where it came from. They weren’t afraid to expose embarrassing stories from major companies who might buy ads on their stations. Everything was fair game, and reporting on stories was always fair and reliable.

    But thanks to first Reagan and then Clinton, things changed. The fairness doctrine (which most people really have a skewed idea of) was torn down, and later the restriction from one entity buying up all of the media pretty much ruined the news media. News was turned over to the entertainment departments of radio and television stations and monetized. Stations lost editorial discretion. No longer could news departments report on stories that might embarrass certain entities — mainly because those entities might be part of the conglomeration that owned the media. For example, NBC is not likely to do an in-depth story on Comcast if it might embarrass Comcast. Or any of the other holdings that owned by those who own NBC.

    Control the message. That is what has happened to our news. If you want to control the message, buy the media. Feed the people stories on Aruba, or water skiing squirrels, or report endlessly on some meaningless “scandal” to deflect attention from what we really should be told about.

    Canada has laws in place that require broadcasters to tell the truth, and stiff penalties that might include losing their broadcast license if they are caught intentionally deceiving people. Now THERE is a concept — a requirement to report the truth.

    Darth Venomous says:

    What do you think’s gonna happen? Do you honestly believe the candidates won’t find a way around that limitation?

    Box them in. Just the act of trying to find a way around a limitation should disqualify them.

    Darth Venomous says:

    They’ll be doing circles around the limitation. Try & stop ‘em? Wanna clog up the court system even further? ‘Cause I promise you a flurry of lawsuits if you try & take their First Amendment right away again. Speech, the right to spend one’s money the way one wants, the right to assemble peaceably…shall I go on?

    Take away their “right”? For crying out loud, they should never have HAD that right. They are a fictional entity. They aren’t real. I see nothing in the constitution that gives corporations or special interest groups the rights of a US citizen. In fact, you should read up on what the founding fathers had to say about corporations. We rebelled against the King because of a corporation. The original tea party wasn’t against the government it was against a corporation.

    Citizens United needs to be overturned and to hell with all of the lawsuits. In fact, corporations should have a life span and should die when that span is up. If you look at the original corporations in this country, you would know that they started out with a ten or twenty year life span, they could only provide one product or service, and they could not hold stock in another corporation.

    And they died.

    Their typical use in our early years were for public works projects such as building roads, and bridges. It didn’t have a “voice” in anything, it was a fictional entity to handle the business it was created for. When its purpose was completed, it was ended and dissolved.

    Now I know that a lot of people here think that I am against ALL corporations or that I think they are eeevil. I’m not, and I don’t.

    But I do not believe that they are “people” in the sense that they attain the rights and privileges of a person — because they don’t.

    They are made up of individual people each with their own rights and privileges. Together they cannot make up some super person.

    Most corporations are benign. My beef is with the corporations that have gotten so bloody large that they own other corporations and have more money and power than most nations.

    And they REALLY have no business influencing our government or our elections.

    I want you to have the same exact influence as I do, and everyone else here does. I don’t want some super entity to have more influence than all of us combined.

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    tweell growls and barks:

    From DJ Allyn:

    But to gain an audience they had to provide a better news reporting than the station up the dial. Competition kicked in with the other stations all vying for the same television audience. Each had to be more “honest”, “reliable”, “first”, with “integrity” in their reporting. They couldn’t get caught in a lie or a mistake. They had a journalistic reputation to uphold. They weren’t afraid to expose news of corruption no matter where it came from. They weren’t afraid to expose embarrassing stories from major companies who might buy ads on their stations. Everything was fair game, and reporting on stories was always fair and reliable.

    DJ Allyn, we’ve been lied to far longer than you say. The Vietnam War, where Cronkite turned the military victory into a defeat. Uncle Joe Stalin, who the NYT’s Walter Duranty lionized while he starved millions in the 30′s (they still proudly display the Pulitzer for it too). The Spanish-American War, with Hearst saying “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” Yellow journalism has a long long history in our country, I’ve just hit a few high points here.

    It’s amusing, really. We have more access to the truth than ever before. We know that Obama is in good physical health with no issues, unlike how the media hid FDR’s infirmities. We know he’s a devoted father and husband, unlike Kennedy, who had the press behind him as he played around on his wife. Yet we still argue.

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    tweell growls and barks:

    Buying elections also has a long and prosperous history here. Ballot box stuffing, buying votes on election day, repeaters, these are all Democrat hallowed traditions (80/20 Dem/Rep convictions for same). Then we have politicians buying votes with tax dollars, earmarking budgets with their pet projects (a common practice, shameful as it is). Finally we have advertising blitzes, outspending the opposition in signs, slogans, etc.

    I consider the advertising part the least troubling, but it is very hard to pin down. Money will find a way to power, one way or another. DJ Allyn’s suggestion of totally publicly funding the elections is a tempting one. It also has been repeatedly stuffed by the courts. Other problems with public funding is that a well-heeled campaign will be able to make the most of those ‘equal’ public announcements. There’s also the problem of illegal transactions, which would become much more attractive. Some green passed to the right people could make one person’s name mud and the other sparkling. Delay any legal issues until after elected, then they can be safely ignored.

    On the other hand, our current election campaign (ad) system sucks. Bad. The controls on it are cleverly designed to protect the incumbent, whoever they are, and LOOK like they’re doing something while ensuring that the flow of money to the politician is unimpeded.

    What I want is total freedom to put my money where my mouth is, and as little interference as possible. So if I were rewriting the law there… No corporations, no PAC’s. Individuals only. No limit.
    TOTAL TRANSPARENCY The campaign has 72 hours from the time of donation to post the name of the donor and their donation amount. Volunteer time, materials, dealt with the same way. Get caught failing this and they get fined 10x the donation amount(s). Contributions end 14 days before the election, same fine if breaking this.

    Yes, Koch and Soros can give money to an underling and have them contribute it to a campaign. That underling’s name and the amount is posted on the campaign website. If the opposition is competent, that connection will be pointed out by them. Perfect? No, but nothing we do is.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    In the old days, evidently, those mere three networks were infallible.

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    Radical Redneck growls and barks:

    Deep end, Head first…DIVE!

    KayInMaine says: June 7, 2012 at 6:39 AM

    Spoken like a true brownshirt to the Nazis! speaking of stupid psychotic cunts, HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU!!! Still tied to the bed so the RNC can have you whenever they want? Or do you just lay their without bondage now enjoying your anal cavity being stretched out from all the activity?

    They love you!

    You love Hitler. Come on, now. Admit it. The American Taliban (the GOP) is the new Nazi Party and you worship them. You want the corporations to rule America because you hate the idea of the people running it. You loved Bush’s illegal wars and you wept when bin Laden was killed because you had such high hopes for him that he would get away with his crime and you still are thankful Hitler took his life like a coward, because you thought what he did during his reign was what the American Taliban/Nazi Party should be doing today!! *SPIT* You also have never liked the idea of the people electing a president. You and your party prefer a king like the Red Coats of yesterday did! *SPIT*

    Sad. When the Nazis take America over, myself and others will say ‘I told you so’ when America ends up being a Mormon Banana Republic!

    *SPIT* *SPIT* *SPIT*

    :em05: :em07: :em05: :shock:

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    And let’s not talk about the $100 million that the unions spent trying to AxelTurf the vote out for Barrett

    Right,, let’s SING about it!
    According to my calculations, that’s exactly $100 million that WON’T be spent on any presidential campaigns..
    (Dancing with mug held aloft..)
    Gone like a freight train, gone like yesterday, gone like a soldier in the civil war,,BANG BANG.


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