FOX News Slaughter Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure’s Record

…and the Regressives (formerly Progressives, formerly liberals, formerly National Socialists, formerly Progressives) are throwing shit fits of outrage, OUTRAGE! that a news organization DARE question their Messiah in such a blatantly political fashion.

Yet, it is beautiful:

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Now, before anybody gets on their “hypocrite” game and start babbling about how His Imperial Majesty has mocked, ridiculed and belittled the Ogabe Steno Pool (formerly known as the MSM) for their blatant bias, we’d like to point out a few things.

First, there is nothing in the video above that is factually incorrect. All it does is list publicly available numbers on a background of Ogabe’s 2008 Campaign Lies. To call this an “anti-Obama” political attack is the same as calling a documentary about Germany from ’44-’45 an unfair political attack on National Socialism.

Second, even if we accept for our amusement that the segment above is obviously biased, we don’t really give a flying fuck. You Regressives have, what? All of the public air wave networks plus every single one of the cable news networks except for one. ONE.

All we have is FOX.

And that’s unfair in your eyes? That’s enough to make you throw a temper tantrum about “unfairness?” Really, now. You well and truly ought to put on your big girl panties if you still know where you put them, because the kind of pity your behavior is inspiring in adults is not the kind of pity you’re fishing for. You’re looking for the “aw, that’s just awfully mean and unfair to the poor Regressives”, but what you’re getting is “sheesh! All grown up and still forced to wear diapers?”

You’re like the snotty, spoiled little 6-year-old brat stomping his tiny feet while tears and snot streams down his face, screaming about how “unfair, unfair, UNFAAAAAIIIIIR” it is that that other kid, even though you have almost all the marbles, still has the really cool glass one with the gold star shape inside it.

WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

Pathetic asstards.

Thatisall.

34 comments

  1. 1
    single stack growls and barks:

    May the leftards suffer an epidemic of apoplexy.

  2. 2
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Billy Jeff Clinton said just yesterday that if Team Obama just got out and touted his achievements as pResident, that “he’d be fine and be reelected”, winning by 5 or 6 points. :em05:
    If Ear Leader’s achievements and accomplishments are so great, why isn’t Team Ogabe running on that record instead of attempting to trash Romney and Bain, and whining that Teh One’s abysmal showings in the Democrat primaries in West Virginia (48% of vote went to a federal inmate from Tesas) and Arkansas (41% of vote went to “uncommitted”) were due to “racism”? Really? Racism in the Democrat Party? Who’d have thunk?
    But, then, any time anyone tells the truth about a Democrat, well that is just an attack and it’s unfair! Telling the truth about a Communist “Liberal” black Democrat just has to be double plus ungood unfair.

  3. 3
    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    Yeah Media Mutters and all the usual suspects are up in arms about the bias.

    Wonder where their outrage was when NBC gave this journalistic fellatio to regime that was 15 times longer

    :em03:

  4. 4
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    First, there is nothing in the video above that is factually incorrect.

    There is a shitload in that video that is factually incorrect at best and mostly misleading. But that isn’t the point behind the “outrage”.

    This video is illegal in the way it was being used. Even the heads of the network realized it and had it pulled.

    From Yahoo News:

    “The package that aired on ‘Fox & Friends’ was created by an associate producer and was not authorized at the senior executive level of the network,” Bill Shine, executive vice president of programming at Fox News, said in a statement to Yahoo News. “This has been addressed with the show’s producers.”

    In essence, it was a $96,000 campaign ad written and produced by a “news” network during an election cycle. This is in violation of FEC rules. THAT is why people — from both sides of the aisle — complained about it.

    It is also why the network quickly realized the implications and removed it from their website.

    But hey, show all of them as you can. I don’t see that it is going to make all that much difference in the long run. If anyone thinks that President Romney is going to make their lives better, then I have a Space Needle and the box it came in for sale.

    The Space Needle won’t take up all that much space either. You only need a piece of land that is 136 feet by 132 feet. It will fit in most back yards…

    :em01:

  5. 5
    radioone growls and barks:

    The Liberals can sure dish it out, but they sure can’t “take it”. Four minutes, verses the rest of the networks on a 24/7 rampage to get The Pantload reelected. And the Romney supporters givin’ it right back to Axelgrease yesterday in Boston. Keep this up, and Mitt will have 2-billion to kick these prix out of DC.

  6. 6
    Mark12A growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn says:

    But hey, show all of them as you can. I don’t see that it is going to make all that much difference in the long run. If anyone thinks that President Romney is going to make their lives better…

    Sure, Obama will make the lives of welfare breeders, illegals, union bosses, and his best buddies like Beyonce and JayZ better at the expense of the rest of us. Moochelle DESERVES another $20,000,000 worth of taxpayer-funded vacations, and I expect the vultures from Solyndra have another bad idea that Obama will fund with MY fucking money.

    And I believe that anyone who actually believes Obama will be better for the country is totally full of shit.

  7. 7
    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Oops. Deej only provided the first lines, but I totally hosed the blockquote thingy.

    [No worries, sir. Gotcha covered. -Venomous]

  8. 8
    BigDogg growls and barks:

    DJ … as usual, you’re full of shit. So, Dumbobama’s repeated appearances on Jimmy Fallon, The View, etc. AREN’T campaign appearances and/or ads?!?! You and your kind just can’t stand it when the means you use are turned about.

    Cry me a fuckin’ river.

  9. 9
    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    First, there is nothing in the video above that is factually incorrect. All it does is list publicly available numbers on a background of Ogabe’s 2008 Campaign Lies. To call this an “anti-Obama” political attack is the same as calling a documentary about Germany from ’44-’45 an unfair political attack on National Socialism.

    Au contraire, my liege. There is a calculated lie of omission. When discussing the jobless rate, the video cotes only two numbers 7.8% in Jan ’09 and 8.2% today, leading the ignorant Fox viewer (but I repeat myself, hoho) to believe that the increase was linear. In fact, the unemployment rate started increasing back in April ’09, and the January figure was just one more sad statistic in a long string of months where the jobless rate increased. The video doesn’t mention that the credit crisis started months before Obama took office, nor does it mention that the jobless rate, propelled by the negative momentum of the contracting economy, continued increasing until around June 2010, nor does it mention that it has fallen incrementally nearly every month since. The video places all the blame on the unemployment increase on Obama, when, in fact, the credit crisis began long before he took Office.

    All we have is FOX

    And National Review. And The Washington Times. And World Net Daily. And Drudge. And pretty much all of AM radio, including Rush Limbaugh. And The Weekly Standard. And Sky News. And…and…and…

  10. 10
    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    And incidentally, even assuming the other networks can seriously be called “liberal” in any honest sense, which I sincerely doubt, FOX leans far further to the right, than they do to the left. You guys may not see it, but that’s because you’re also way to the right of center. Having FOX on your team blaring out GOP propaganda 24/7 is like having five milquetoasty, wishy-washy liberal stations like CNN.

    And in closing, that video is proof positive that FOX is not a real news network. I don’t care how biased you think CNN, MSNBC et. al are, they would never, never in a million, billion years, ever air a video like that.

  11. 11
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    And in closing, that video is proof positive that FOX is not a real news network. I don’t care how biased you think CNN, MSNBC et. al are, they would never, never in a million, billion years, ever air a video like that.

    :em05:

    OK, since you don’t live under the constant barrage of Ogabe Propaganda that those outlets subject the nation to 24/7, I’ll let you claim ignorance of facts as a defense of that ignorant statement.

    That’s all they EVER do.

    But thanks for putting a smile on my face.
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  12. 12
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    Au contraire, my liege. There is a calculated lie of omission. When discussing the jobless rate, the video cotes only two numbers 7.8% in Jan ’09 and 8.2% today, leading the ignorant Fox viewer (but I repeat myself, hoho) to believe that the increase was linear.

    Actually, they did him a huge favor there. What they should have done, were they “out to get him”, would be to point out the huge increase in unemployment all the way up above 10%. Instead, they make it look as if it merely went up by 0.4% under SCoaMF.

    They also used the ridiculously massaged numbers put out by the Ogabe Propaganda Ministry, where you no longer exist if you’ve spent so long looking for work in SCoaMF’s abysmal economy that you give up altogether. The REAL unemployment number is closer to 11%, that is to say if you include those people who have indicated that they’d like to work, but have simply given up on trying to find a job after years of looking in vain.

    So yes, I suppose you can say that the numbers are distorted a bit. We actually don’t know why FOX would do so much to help Ogabe, but there you have it.

    Oh, and quit blaming Bush already. It’s pathetic, and I’d like to think that you’re not as daft as SCoaMF.
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  13. 13
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Oh, and Muzzy, just a few more encouraging news about the Ogabe “Recovery”:

    JOBS REPORT DISASTER: JUST 69K NEW JOBS CREATED, UNEMPLOYMENT RISES, DOW PLUNGES 2.2%

    Of course, all of the downward revisions of “jobs created” numbers for both May AND April are utterly “unexpected” and have nothing to do whatsoever with the fact that SCoaMF continues to strangle what little life is left in the U.S. economy.

    It’s all Bush’s fault. Racists!
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  14. 14
    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    Actually, they did him a huge favor there. What they should have done, were they “out to get him”, would be to point out the huge increase in unemployment all the way up above 10%. Instead, they make it look as if it merely went up by 0.4% under SCoaMF.

    Yeah, but if they did that they’d have to mention it then fell from 10.1 to 8.2, whic makes him look far better than they would want. Also:

    Oh, and Muzzy, just a few more encouraging news about the Ogabe “Recovery”:

    JOBS REPORT DISASTER: JUST 69K NEW JOBS CREATED, UNEMPLOYMENT RISES, DOW PLUNGES 2.2%

    In what universe is a 0.1% fluctuation a “Disaster”? Look back through the unemployment rates for the last ten years. I’ll bet you anything you won’t find a single run longer than 3 months without a 0.1% rise or drop. Unemployment has been trending down for nearly 2 and a half years, and it’s ticked up a tenth of a percentage point or two plenty of times along the way.

  15. 15
    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    ETA: Methinks that article is a tad on the hysterical side.

  16. 16
    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Nihilism is its own reward. Truth is absolute. Fair is relative. Definitions of these terms are in any dictionary and are Not arbitrary. Don’t like Fox? Don’t watch. Can’t stand the Truth regardless of the source? Find another universe to inhabit where you can suck like you do here. That is all.

  17. 17
    LC MaxMomFL growls and barks:

    All this ‘unemployment rate’ stuff gives me a headache. We are, after all, just using a percentage fluctuation as some sort of real indicator of…anything. We all know that percentages are not real numbers. WHAT ARE THE REAL NUMBERS? I am sick of this twisting and lying and skewing and it’s not just the Democrats. Stupid politicians; I want real numbers dammit! What is the total workforce? What was the total workforce? How many unemployed? How many underemployed? Stop playing this stupid statistics hokey pokey! Jerks.
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  18. 18
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:


    MAKES THE CHOICE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT!!

    Columnist Andrew McCarthy gives us what probably is the most important question

    regarding the upcoming presidential election….

    “…..if Mitt wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy.
    For my friends who have hesitation on that score, I’d just ask you to keep four things in mind:
    1.. Justice Scalia just turned 78
    2.. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year
    3.. Justice Breyer will be 76 in August
    4.. Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago.

    We wish them all well, of course, but the brute fact is that whoever we elect as president in November

    is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court

    — in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous

    decisions about our lives for decades to come.

    If you don’t think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama,

    I think you’re smokin’ something funky….”

    So for anybody who is thinking of not voting because your favorite didn’t get nominated,

    or writing in a candidate who can’t win…

    Imagine this: SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER

  19. 19
    themandownthehall growls and barks:

    Damn those foxnews women are fucking hot…

  20. 20

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    Yeah, but if they did that they’d have to mention it then fell from 10.1 to 8.2, whic makes him look far better than they would want.

    Which is answered prior by:
    Emperor Misha I says:

    They also used the ridiculously massaged numbers put out by the Ogabe Propaganda Ministry, where you no longer exist if you’ve spent so long looking for work in SCoaMF’s abysmal economy that you give up altogether. The REAL unemployment number is closer to 11%, that is to say if you include those people who have indicated that they’d like to work, but have simply given up on trying to find a job after years of looking in vain.

    Questions?
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  21. 21
    Library Czar growls and barks:

    Any posting of real unemployment numbers is a joke. Consider that the government considers one employed if they work ONE hour a week. I would guess the unemployment rate here in Arizona is somewhere between 17% 1nd 20%.

  22. 22
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Here in Kalifornia it is very high. In this county about nineteen per cent that they will admit too…….my guess is twenty-five or so………

  23. 23
    LC Robohobo growls and barks:

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    And in closing, that video is proof positive that FOX is not a real news network. I don’t care how biased you think CNN, MSNBC et. al are, they would never, never in a million, billion years, ever air a video like that.

    Of course not, Muzzy, you IS. But they would liberally lap the SCOAMF’s nut-sack daily. You libtards are pathetic.

    From The Wall Street Journal today for LC MaxMomFL:
    Broader Jobless Rate Jumps to 14.8%

    The workforce is the smallest it has been since WWII ended, I believe.

    Like Subotai said:

    “You thought they said: ‘Hope & Change!’?
    They said: ‘Rope & Chains!’”

    Muzzy & DJ, pay attention:

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty,
    the tranquility of servitude
    better than the animating contest of freedom,
    go home from us in peace.
    We ask not your counsels or your arms.
    Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
    May your chains set lightly upon you,
    and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
    Samuel Adams

    Please.

  24. 24
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:12
    Actually, the real unemployment number is much higher than 11%. The only reason the unemployment rate is 8.2% is that several hundred thousand people who had been in the workforce during the worst economy since the Great Depression during the Bush administration (when the unemployment rate was less than 5%), have dropped out of the labor pool. They are what are known as “discouraged workers”, and not counted as unemployed. The 8.2% also does not include those who are working but are “underemployed”, an engineer flipping burgers at McDonalds, for instance. If the government and media were honest (fat chance) the real unemployment rate is much nearer 20%

  25. 25
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Y’all seem to forget a huge factor in the job figures. You know, the layoff of the public workforce. If you want to see a model of how doing away with public sector jobs has an adverse effect on the economy and private sector jobs you only have to look no further than Wisconsin.

    Jobs are tied to other jobs. For every working person (public or private) there are ten other jobs tied to them. The same goes with unemployment checks, and food stamps.

    When unemployment runs out there is another large chunk of money that is taken out of the market, and more jobs are lost because of it. Cut off food stamps and even more jobs are lost.

    LC Ogrrre @ #24:

    Ah, the revisionism …

    Bush had a net loss of jobs all the way through his administration, and towards the end he was losing over 700,000 a month. That magical 5% unemployment figure was ALSO under reported because the chronically un- under- employed were no longer being counted also.

    Let’s not forget that we are in this mess specifically because of the Bush economic policies during his term, and we continue to be in this mess because Republicans in Congress have been absolutely recalcitrant and truculent about doing what has been proven over and over again in the past on how to get out of this mess.

    But no, Congressional Republicans have had one thing in mind since Obama took office — making sure Obama only serves one term. To that end, they have balked, blocked, sabotaged, and everything else they could to make sure that things don’t get better for us.

    I can only hope that Romney wins the election. Why? Because THEN the Republicans will bend over backwards to do exactly what they should have been doing for the past four years. They will do almost exactly what the Democrats have been trying to do all along.

    Of course you all will feel betrayed and screech like banshees because of it.

    But make no mistake, Mittens is no policy ideologue. He has no real interest in governing, he just wants to be president. He will leave the rest to someone else to deal with. He will go where the tide takes him.

  26. 26
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #25:

    This insistence by liberals that they have any idea how the economy works is driving me slowly crazy. Let’s take this point by point.

    1. Bush policies are the reason for this poor economy. Wrong. The vast structural problems with our economy are the result of poor policy decisions accumulated since 1913. Wishing it will get better, and handing out money, which is the essence of liberal economic policy, will only make matters worse and allow the underlying problems to worsen. The proximal cause of the Great Recession was the bubble in subprime mortgages, which when it burst destroyed the equivalent of an entire year’s worth of US GDP. This bubble was the result of federal policy favoring home ownership for marginal credits and socializing the risks of making these loans. The actions that set this disaster in motion were taken over the course of several presidencies, although a few figures had outsized roles to play, like Barney Frank.

    2. The greedy rich fuckers are to blame. Wrong again. There are many reasons why the middle class is disappearing, and why most of the modern income growth is occurring in the top 25% of earners, but two forces stand out here. One is the degree to which government has become intertwined with business. Consider for a moment that several recent studies have concluded that the greatest return on investment for a business is not in new product development, or staff training, or marketing, but in lobbying. It is a runaway. In one study, the average ROI for lobbying was 2600% (!!!!). Federal and state regulatory regimes have steadily chased most manufacturing jobs overseas over the last four or five decades. What is left to the people who do not have engineering or computer science degrees are roles in the growing service economy, and real wages are much lower in these jobs. How the hell does the middle class participate in an economy that functions under these rules? If we want to get business out of government, we must first get government out of business.

    3. If we could only get Obama re-elected, this would all be fixed. Detecting a trend yet? That’s right – wrong again. Real comprehension of the situation we are in requires that we stop looking at the immediate past and think about the longer arc of history, and what it is telling us. For example, most Americans give very little thought to the existence and the role of the Fed. When they hear terms like ‘bailout’, they assume some emergency action was taken for the greater good. This lack of clarity has cost and is costing the majority of the people in this nation vast amounts of wealth. Since the creation of the Fed, the dollar has lost 96% of its value, primarily as a consequence of accumulated Fed actions. The actual function of the Fed amounts to the socialization of losses experienced by the major financial institutions in our nation when events like the subprime meltdown occur. It is in essence the largest fraud in the history of mankind, yet most of us go about our business unaware that the Fed’s actions are continuously eroding the value of the few dollars we possess, and adding to the national debt that is dragging our economy downward. This dynamic is also the reason for the huge wealth being accumulated by those who work in the investment banking industry, and for the ridiculous risks some of those idiots take with investors money. It is also a major contributor to the rapid growth of income disparity in our country.

    4. But things are getting slowly better. No, they are not. Most of the economies of the developed nations are in some state of insolvency. This means they do not have the financial means to support themselves any longer. What we are seeing in Europe, Japan and the US are governments in various states of denial of that fact. Their central banks have adopted strategies intended to inflate away their debt, meaning they are creating money out of thin air in order to devalue the currency and reduce the real value of their debt in hopes that they can once again afford it. This has happened before, but never on a scale that even approaches the one we are faced with today. The best case scenario is that the economies of the developed nations limp along for several decades, until inflation has worked its magic and debt has become proportionately small enough to allow some money to move toward investment again. The worst case scenarios involve things like what is happening in Greece today with the rise of Syriza. Liquidity is not a solution for insolvency, so there is no reason to anticipate that this goes well from here. All because people fail to understand the difference between money and wealth, and because they would vote themselves a living when they can. These are the kinds of social forces that beget conflict, and it would amaze me to see these problems overcome without war.

  27. 27
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Secondmouse says:

    The vast structural problems with our economy are the result of poor policy decisions accumulated since 1913.

    And yet our best economic times came during the Eisenhower era, with a resurgence in the Clinton term.

    Secondmouse says:

    The greedy rich fuckers are to blame.

    No, they aren’t to “blame”. I don’t fault anyone for having the capacity to make money. But they DO make their money using the American infrastructure paid for by ALL of us. Which means they should be paying back the same way we do.

    But right now, while you spend your time apologizing for them, they are actively duping you into believing they are some benevolent benefactor with your best interests at heart. The reality is they are buying our government lock, stock, and barrel, and are systematically dismantling the middle class. Before long, we will be back in a feudal society where they have everything and we have whatever dregs they wish to pass down to us.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, we are fast on our way to becoming a third world nation. The emerging middle class isn’t happening here any more, it is happening in China and India. That is where the “market” is at these days. Our buying power is dropping like a rock because we are fast becoming more like Mexico, with an oligarchy in charge. We aren’t quite there yet, but we are well on our way.

    While people like you sit there and gas on about “founding fathers” and all of that, what you aren’t seeing is what WE are seeing — a smooth take over of our government. It won’t be quite complete with President Romney, but it will be close.

    If I am not around at that time, just remember where you heard it from first:

    We are doomed as a nation no matter who wins this next one. It is like trying to pick which color car you want to drive off of the cliff in. The WORLD economy is in the toilet, and the last time that happened, we went to war and killed off several million people. I see another “readjustment” happening in our near future. This time we aren’t as isolated as we once were.

  28. 28
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #27:

    *sigh*.

    Historians of the US economy generally agree that the years between the end of the Civil War and the Great Depression was the greatest period of sustained economic growth and societal development this nation, if not the world, has ever seen. The federal government was no where to be seen then. People hearing the word ‘entitlement’ then would have assumed that it referred to the process of choosing the headline for the day’s newspaper.

    The Postwar Boom was just that – a postwar boom, but a far stronger one relative to today due to the fact that we had not yet burdened it beyond the breaking point with government. But we were setting the stage for today even then. The Clinton era economy was two things – the tech bubble, and the wild party for the fully realized disaster that Wall Street has since become. Fed policy suppressed interest rates, and money was cheap. The policies that wrought the Great Recession were creating imaginary wealth as families saw their home values skyrocket. This was a balance sheet-funded bubble, and we saw how it ended.

    Greed is not a unique construction of this generation. Systems are always perfectly designed for the results they obtain. Penalizing the wealthy with larger tax burdens in order to fund a dramatically broken system just makes the wheel turn faster, it does not change direction. Real systemic change, the kind that liberates, not constrains, the individual’s innate desire to improve their circumstances, is what is needed to right this sinking ship. This is not what will happen. Instead, we will all stand that much harder on the brakes, convinced that we have our foot on the accelerator.

    Liberals like to point to today’s circumstances and say, ‘this time it’s different’. The rich have all the money, ergo, we must find ways to take it from them. Things are so bad that the only solution is more government. Technology has made the world smaller, and rich assholes have moved their companies overseas so they can make more money. Yada yada yada. Honestly, none of this is hard to understand.

    Our own history provides us with all of the answers we need with which to choose a proper course for our nation. We have done it right once before, and could again, if we were to find leaders of strength and conviction, principled people determined to hold higher expectations of us than those who pander to us today. Alas….

  29. 29
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    But no, Congressional Republicans have had one thing in mind since Obama took office — making sure Obama only serves one term. To that end, they have balked, blocked, sabotaged, and everything else they could to make sure that things don’t get better for us.

    Yeah, like the Dimbulbs have never, ever, had an objective like that.

    Oh, wait…yes…yes, they have

    This is from Nicholas (ph) from Omaha, Nebraska, for George Bush, America will stand resolute. That’s pretty good, don’t you think?

    CARRIER: All right.

    ERICSON: Yes, that works for the Bush camp.

    COSTELLO: This is from Susan (ph) in Grafton, Massachusetts. She says like father, like son, one term and done.

    ERICSON: Wow!

    COSTELLO: Ouch! Of course that would be for John Kerry.

    “Revisionism”, eh, Deej? (And yes – that was a common Dem theme in 2004, so do us all a favor and avoid denying it, mkay?)

  30. 30
    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Secondmouse says:

    Historians of the US economy generally agree that the years between the end of the Civil War and the Great Depression was the greatest period of sustained economic growth and societal development this nation, if not the world, has ever seen.

    :em05:

    Wow. You typed that with a serious face, didn’t you? Obviously, you are talking about the Robber Baron period of our history. Sure, it was a GREAT time for those with a lot of money — just like today. The rich are doing quite well in today’s economy, thank you very much. Business is booming — for them. With this “shitty economy” of Obama’s, somehow Big Business and Big Money are able to collect record profits. HUGE profits.

    Meanwhile, your economic picture isn’t rising at all. Hell, for that matter while your economic picture has been running at even for thirty years now, and maybe even going down, their financial picture has been on a steep climb. I would show you a graph, but unfortunately, images are disabled here.

    No, my friend, you measure economic growth NOT by the status of the top one percent, but by how large of a middle class you have. Virtually EVERY respectable historian will tell you that period of time was during the 1950s – 1970s.

  31. 31
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #30:

    Deej, I can do nothing for you if you insist on getting your history lessons from bedwetting liberal asshats rewriting history to help make the progressive case for more government and the equality of outcomes. The period I was referring to was also known as the Second Industrial Revolution – don’t suppose you have read much about that. It was a period marked by the widespread adoption of steam power, followed by the rise of mass production, production and distribution of electricity, the automobile, the airplane, etc. You know, all those processes that gave birth to manufacturing, the nation’s middle class and created unbelievable wealth in a nation that up to that point had been largely agrarian, forced to export raw materials abroad because we lacked the capacity ourselves to add value to them. All that changed over these seventy-odd years.

    Of course the economic picture is not improving. This is the point I have been trying to make, and I have been attempting to shed some light on the root causes for this disastrous state of affairs. Yes, the wealthy are getting wealthier – if you read one of my earlier posts in this thread, I explained why. Corporations are indeed sitting on record piles of cash, although as a group, profits have been better. With a stagnant economy, growth is at a real premium, and corporations have restructured, laid off millions, and greatly reduced R&D and other investments. Why? Two reasons: 1) Too much debt (I mentioned that in an earlier post) and everyone is trying to deleverage instead of consume; and 2) Because the economic and regulatory climate is no longer predictable. This latter issue is one of the places where much of the fault lies with Obama. Business leaders whose industries are not driven by government or the Fed are very leery of Obama, and are waiting him out. This is well known and much discussed in business circles.

    In truth, in real dollars, our economic picture peaked around 1987. In order for the Dow to be worth what it was then, the index today would have to be around 30,000. Remember my words about the Fed? You can thank them for this. Them and a federal government that has gutted the industrial core of this nation’s economy. Just as the statistics on unemployment are massaged for effect, we are also lied to about the affects of inflation on our purchasing power. Real inflation is closer to 8 to 10% these last several years. Anyone’s income growing faster than that? I didn’t think so.

    This nation’s former greatness was an artifact of the absence of government, NOT a consequence of its ubiquitous presence in our daily lives, as today. This is such a simple truth that many millions of Americans cannot see it. We insist on turning to government to solve the problems that too much government has created. The only tools they have are more agencies, bureaus, programs, taxes and regulations, and we just sink further into debt and despair.

    You refer to the Robber Barons. This is something I don’t understand about liberals. You guys actually believe there is some form of social or cultural structure wherein crime, fraud, greed, sloth, and other vices simply will not exist. This is profoundly childlike and ultimately dangerous. These behaviors will always be present in any and every society. The choice you have to make is in the structure of virtuous incentives for success. In today’s USA, the incentives are to go to work for the government and draw a huge salary and a guaranteed pension, or lobby a senator for favorable legislation, or a federal guarantee on a huge loan to start up a business and pay the proceeds out as bonuses until its gone. In the world I want to live in, the incentives are merit-based. Deliver a better service, invent a better product, be a great educator, work harder, and the market comes to you. The government’s only job is to make sure that my pursuit of happiness does not materially infringe on someone else’s rights, and to defend us from enemies, foreign and domestic. I’m sorry if that means that a business owner is going to make more money than a fry cook, or the bum who won’t get off the couch. But it is better than being hauled out of bed in the middle of the night, forced to kneel in the street and shot in the back of the head.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and we are on it, in the fast lane, exceeding the speed limit.

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    DJ Allyn growls and barks:

    Secondmouse says:

    Deej, I can do nothing for you if you insist on getting your history lessons from bedwetting liberal asshats rewriting history to help make the progressive case for more government and the equality of outcomes.

    Stop it! I am about ready to wet my pants laughing.

    Seriously. I don’t know where YOU were educated, but I am starting to think that Glenn Beck University is where it was.

    Good grief. It isn’t even worth the effort to argue about something that only a fringe element thinks is false.

    Let’s just agree to disagree. I lack the energy to argue any more. I could just sit here and nod, telling you that you are soooo right and all of that.

    I hope that you are not surprised too badly when you find out just how wrong you are…

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn @ #32:

    Whatever. Sorry to have backed you into a corner, but you went willingly.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    And yet our best economic times came during the Eisenhower era, with a resurgence in the Clinton Reagan term. FIFY
    There was no “revisionism” in my post. During most of the G W Bush administration, the unemployment rate was below the natural rate defined during the Kennedy administration. I know that hurts your feelings, but that’s too bad.
    The bad times started after the Democrats won Congress in the 2006 midterm elections. This election result brought to you by the Lame Stream Mediots who kept proclaiming the economy to be the worst since the Great Depression, in spite of record low unemployment, and continued GDP growth, albeit slowed growth after 9-11. If a lie is repeated enough times, people tend to start to believe it. And, most people, thanks to our public indoctrinationschool system, don’t have a clue what economic indicators are, how to interpret them, and what GDP is.
    The natural organic fertilizer impacted the rotary ventilator when the subprime housing market collapsed. Isn’t it amazing how that collapsed after Barney Frank resisted efforts by the Bush administration to provide more oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? “Oversee Fannie and Freddie? Why, there is nothing wrong with them financially! You’re just a bunch of racist meanies, wanting to look at Fannie and Freddie!” Ooops! Fannie and Freddie were just the first of the row of dominoes to fall.
    DJ, you need to quit depending on MSNBC for your economic information.