Paging the Imperial Grammar Czar

Before we make an Imperial Arse of Ourself (which we have in the past and we’re trying, really, to not make a habit of it) and keeping in mind that English is our second language, we have a quick question:

The past tense of the verb “lead.” Is it “led” or isn’t it?

Because it was when we went to school, and it’s driving us nuts to see people using “lead” for the past tense. But, then again, if we’re wrong we’ll file it under “shit we didn’t pay proper attention to” and get over it.

Thatisall.

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LC Gunsniper
LC Gunsniper
BrendaK
BrendaK

Led is acceptable, and even correct according to the grammar I learned. I have the same problem with people using ‘pleaded’ instead of ‘pled’. I don’t care what Merriam-Webster has to say on the subject, the only acceptable past tense of plead is pled. AND ‘disrespect’ IS NOT A VERB. Finally, if any of you have a budding newscaster in… Read more »

rickn8or
rickn8or

Brenda, re: “plead, pled, pleaded”: Who authorized this? Newscasters and newspapers have set my teeth on edge with this for years.

Glad to see I’m not alone on this.

And no, I do not write “to-day” and “to-morrow”.

single stack
single stack

Led is the past tense of lead.
Unless you’re talking about the kind of balloon that doesn’t go over well in which case I think the past tense would be Hindenburg. :em03:

LC HJ Caveman82952
LC HJ Caveman82952

Oh, now I get it, like shot is the past tense of shoot…cool, knew it was in there somewhere.

single stack
single stack

Emperor Misha I @ #:

Precisely :em01:

LC Ohio Right Wing Nut
LC Ohio Right Wing Nut

BrendaK says:

I get a little emotional about grammar; and about people loitering on my lawn.

It seems to me that someone Shat in Brendas Cherrios this morning.

:em05:

rickn8or
rickn8or

You mean like a Lead Zeppelin?

But just to complicate things, the band’s name was “Led Zeppelin”.

BrendaK
BrendaK

It seems to me that someone Shat in Brendas Cherrios this morning.

Nah, I’ve always been a Mr. Spock gal.

single stack
single stack

rickn8or @ #:

ZOOOOOM!

Watch out for those low flying jokes.

Darth Venomous
Darth Venomous

Sire:

You don’t need the IGC for that. It’s “led”.

LC Fei Long
LC Fei Long

Led is indeed the past and past participle of the verb “lead”, for ever and ever, amen. Oh, I am somewhat stodgy with my grammar and not afraid to get dogmatic about it, armed to the teeth with scary Greek-derived terms. (Here’s a few: heresy, schism, anathema!) But not to the point of pretending English has to be like any… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

You lead a team You led the dog for a walk He pled guilty (past tense) He pleads guilty (present tense) He led the team off a cliff Unless you’re talking about the kind of balloon that doesn’t go over well in which case I think the past tense would be Hindenburg. A lead balloon falls The Hindenburg exploded, it… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

Definition of an idea going down “like a lead balloon” would be: asking an American for proper grammar :em07: :em05:

To those of us who speak the Queen’s English, an American talking about grammar, is when they are discussing their mother’s mother\.

*dons flameproof suit*

Tallulah
Tallulah

It is “led.” “Lead” is WRONG, and so bloody irritating. It just another of these annoying fads that crop up constantly among the ill-educated. Like eschewing the use of “like” as a conjunction (hey, it’s been a conjunction since at least the eleventh century, but let’s not be hasty!), or thinking that you can’t end a sentence with a preposition.*… Read more »

Tallulah
Tallulah

While I’m riding my favorite hobbyhorse, LET me just say something about the blasted “Webster’s Dictionary.” The worst decision the idiotic publishing houses ever made was to adopt that waste of trees as the standard dictionary, after Webster’s made the idiotic decision to become a descriptive dictionary rather than a prescriptive dictionary. In other words, if any baboon says it,… Read more »

L.C. Mope
L.C. Mope

His Imperial Majestylyness avers thusly:

The past tense of the verb “lead.” Is it “led” or isn’t it?

It’s like the difference between an open thread and an open thred, only different.

single stack
single stack

The Hindenburg exploded, it did not fall. It did not go splat, it went BOOM.

It went over like a lead balloon. :em07:

Apparently Misha is the only one that got the joke.

LCBren
LCBren

It went over like a lead balloon

It went up like a match in firecracker factory

So there :em01: :em07: :em05:

LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology
LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology

“From whence” is redundant, as “whence” means “from which”.

NR Pax
NR Pax

And while we are on the topic, beatings with a bamboo cane should be administered to people who seem to think that the word “lose” is spelled “loose.” Then there is my usual tirade about the apostrophe that is explained better by this person.

sleeper
sleeper

Yup, it’s led.

And my OED says “pleaded”.

Brother Stormhammer
Brother Stormhammer

LCBrendan @ #:

This sudden explosion of Hindenburg-related puns leaves me a-gassed.
*hides*

single stack
single stack

LCBrendan @ #:

:em05:

It was like living in a powder keg and giving off sparks.

FrankOK
FrankOK

Yes – “led” is the proper past tense of “lead”. An incident from 7th grade re: tenses of verbs is still with me. The class, excepting the teacher, was all male and somewhat on the rowdy side. One poor guy was called on to recite the tenses of “shoot”. He began, ” shoot, shot, ..”, and immediately there was a… Read more »

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

Well since I’m not a profeesional writer, I don’t worry so much about grammer. @ Brendan. I’ll keep that in mind the next time I try to interpet what the fuck a “barbie” means, or maybe when I’m conversing with some cockney Limey who speaks like they have a mouth full of shite. I submit that the actual best practioners… Read more »

Terrapod
Terrapod

George Washington led his men to victory… yes, it was correct then and still is the proper use of past tense for lead or leading. I too have noted the absolutely horrible lack of grammar in the news today, simply the byproduct of “phonics” that was introduced in the early 60’s….starting… of course… in CALIFORNIA and then infecting the whole… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

Darth Venomous says:

You don’t need the IGC for that.

Hey Spats. Bite me.

But yes, Emperor. You are correct. The past tense of the verb “lead” is “led.” One of MY biggest pet peeves is using the word “drug” as past tense of drag.

single stack
single stack

Terrapod @ #: Phonics isn’t the problem with the atrocious grammar in modern writing. Phonics is a method of learning to read and pronounce written words and has nothing to do with their proper grammatical use. I learned to read phonetically and I’m a very good reader. With phonics an unfamiliar word can be “sounded out” to learn the pronunciation.… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

single stack says: . Apparently it isn’t taught in college journalism classes either. I taught grammar every semester, whether it was journalism, English composition, or whatever. Students are not learning it at the elementary and secondary levels, so colleges have to offer it as remedial. I’m sorry, but by the time you get to college, you should how a subject… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

And, by the time we graduate from college, we should know how to proofread. Yeah, yeah. I left out a word. Sue me.

LC Gunsniper
LC Gunsniper

Speaking of the vagaries of the English Gallagher explains it best. The fun starts at the 2:35 minute mark.

LC PrimEviL
LC PrimEviL

It was “led” when I went to school. Other conundrums regard plurals. If the plural of ‘house’ is ‘houses’, why isn’t the plural of ‘mouse’ ‘mouses’? If the plural of ‘goose’ is ‘geese’, then why isn’t the plural of ‘moose’ ‘meese’? Further, if a ram is a sheep, and an ass is a donkey, then why is a ram in… Read more »

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

I think the past tense of Lead is Overtaken……

single stack
single stack

LC/IB PrimEviL @ #:

“I hate meeces to pieces” – Mr. Jinks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_and_Dixie_and_Mr._Jinks

LC Trooper THX1138, Imperial Gadget Geek
LC Trooper THX1138, Imperial Gadget Geek

LC/IB PrimEviL @ 35:

However, as the plural of mouse is mice, oughtn’t the plural of house be hice, and the plural of spouse be spice?

FrankOK
FrankOK

LC/IB PrimEviL says: It was “led” when I went to school. Other conundrums regard plurals. If the plural of ‘house’ is ‘houses’, why isn’t the plural of ‘mouse’ ‘mouses’? If the plural of ‘goose’ is ‘geese’, then why isn’t the plural of ‘moose’ ‘meese’? Further, if a ram is a sheep, and an ass is a donkey, then why is… Read more »

LC HJ Caveman82952
LC HJ Caveman82952

I’m doomed! I use ain’t a lot…being a troglodyte and all. I did learn those rules once, in a classroom far, far away. I just write the way I think or feel, generally not the way I speak…oh well, back to the mines with me…..

rickn8or
rickn8or

“…and the plural of spouse be spice?”

No, the plural of spouse is “dangerous”.

Things like this make English difficult.

LC SecondMouse
LC SecondMouse

rickn8or says:

“…and the plural of spouse be spice?”
No, the plural of spouse is “dangerous”.
Things like this make English difficult.

I thought the plural of ‘spouse’ was ‘bankrupt’.

single stack
single stack

Secondmouse @ #:

Nah, it’s insane

Mark12A
Mark12A

I’m driven almost to the point of giving a wedgie when someone refers to an “ATM Machine” or a “CAC Card”. The plural of “forum” is FORA, dammit.

Thanks for letting me get that out.

irish19
irish19

FrankOK @ #:
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :em05:

irish19
irish19

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech @ #:
Got dusty here all of a sudden.

LC Darth Scoundrel
LC Darth Scoundrel

NR Pax says: And while we are on the topic, beatings with a bamboo cane should be administered to people who seem to think that the word “lose” is spelled “loose.” Then there is my usual tirade about the apostrophe that is explained better by this person. And to make it worse, now they are trying to eliminate the apostrophe… Read more »

Radical Redneck
Radical Redneck

One of my pet peeves is when even intelligent people say a miscreant is hung when they get the rope.

It’s hanged: hung is John Holmes or Ron Jeremy! :em07:

WayneB
WayneB

BrendaK says:

AND ‘disrespect’ IS NOT A VERB.

Likewise, neither are Xerox nor Google.

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

WayneB @ #:
Actually, they are being accepted into the lexicon as verbs. it happens that way sometimes.

Weyland
Weyland

at post 27
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech growls and barks:
May 26, 2012 at 9:04 am
OT,
‘Not many words involved in this.
None needed.

Cheapshot, thanks for linking that vid, had me grinning from ear to ear! And keeping in the spirit of the post, would “Hooah!” be a noun, or a verb? 😛

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.

Weyland says:

would “Hooah!” be a noun, or a verb?

My guess is ‘exclamation’.
Same as wicking your Milwaukee Vibrator into a roar among the other mundanes.
No real translation, but everybody knows JUST what you mean.