Clear Cut Case of Murder

Yep, all those pundits screaming that the Sanford PD video of Zimmerman being brought into the station showed with absolute certainty that Zimmerman was a cold blooded murderer who had not been battered at all and shot Martin for the crime of wearing a hoody while black, guess they were right after all.

Clearly there was no struggle, none at all. Absolutely no cause for self defense here, no sirrree. I guess those of us who said we should wait for all the evidence ARE just racist idiots after all and we should just shut up and follow the script. My sincere apologies to the race hustlers and media whores. Next time I won’t question the narrative and just blindly swallow whatever you say. No more questioning your absolute truth or wanting actual…uhm what’s the word,..oh yeah, evidence.

I’ll go self-flagellate now.


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    Cactus Jack growls and barks:

    When asked for a comment on the latest update, Presidente Soetero tearfully exclaimed”If I had a dog, he’d look just like a cheeseburger”.

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    ohio right wing nut growls and barks:

    Ozero’s new book..”How to Wok your dog and other culinary treats”

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Waiting for DJ to admit that he was wrong…wait…is that crickets I hear?

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Waiting for DJ to admit that he was wrong…wait…is that crickets I hear?

    Deej and a whole shitpot of others.

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    It would be nice to think that the plain evidence would play some role in this drama, but early attempts to do so by Sanford PD have been overtaken by media-driven hysteria, and history has proven that the facts do not necessary matter in circumstances like these (O.J., anybody?). We shall see.

    My hope is that this case will shine a bright light on the huge and growing gap between the claims made by the race pimps and liberal apologists and the actual, factual reality regarding the state of race relations and racial tension in this country. The progressive architects of the new ‘level playing field’ in America have succeeded instead in constructing a true dystopia, and have forwarded the gargantuan bill for its maintenance to unborn taxpayers. One of the worst offenses committed in this process has been the gradual creation of a multi-generational permanent underclass of urban inner-city African-Americans, all convinced that their oppressors are those who would stand ready to offer a hand up, if not a hand out.

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    Bitter Clinger growls and barks:

    But…but…but…THEY said GZ was unharmed. THEY said you couldn’t see any injuries in the video. THEY said he was following Trayvon because he was black…

    Isn’t that all the proof any GOOD, POLITICALLY CORRECT, WHITE GUILT HAVING person should need? :em04:

    Fuck ’em :em08:

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Doesn’t matter. What matters is the wanted end result. They knew this was a lame case when they decided to make a issue of it 3 weeks after the fact. Florida is a “battleground” state right? They are going to fiddle fuck around and deliver a not guilty verdict just in time to rile the “base” to vote team socialist with the attendant riot as a good diversion.

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    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    I showed that picture to my wife earlier today and she just replied that it could possibly be manufactured or something. I expect the or something part could mean that it could be someone else’s head, since you can’t see a face. Not that she has an interest in this story any more than anything else that is going on in the world. She has proven to be a shining example of today’s youth. It isn’t directly effecting her life now, so she doesn’t want to hear about it. Burns my ass! :em08:

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    I’ve cut off all liberal friends – it’s not a productive use of time to argue with people who don’t understand common sense.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Zimmerman barely got a road rash there. I am not seeing anything “life threatening” yet.

    NO, Deej, you are WAY WRONG here.

    As a former emergency services officer, as the husband of a qualified nurse, as a former field medical officer with over 3000 hrs in the field, I will tell you the following,: and this is GOSPEL

    There is NO SUCH THING as a minor head wound

    Ask your doctor. He will tell you the same.

    That is NOT “road rash”, and may I also remind you that a HUGE number of head injury cases that lead to debilitating consequences or death are “silent killers” that go undetected because “they dont seem life threatening”

    Those lacerations, and the size of the damage, may indicate head trauma causative of a slew of injuries, some of which are:

    Subdural haemotoma
    Concussion and intracranial bleed
    Dural tear
    Skull fracture with subdural clots
    Coning (look it up, it’s real)
    Dural bleed (even minor is life threatening)
    Contracoup injury (where the brain is smashed forward, and then backwards inside the cranial space)
    Cerebrovascular accidents either left or right side

    He has clearly been assaulted, those injuries are to the back of the head which makes it worse, and the location of those injuries, unless he had his back turned to the assailant, show clearly he was on his back when assaulted, which means that whoever attacked him was in front of him, smashing his head against a hard surface.

    I speak from experience when i tell you that even what appears to be a minor accident or injury, can have far reaching consequences, potentially, a lot of them fatal.

    And any EMT, doctor or other medical officer will bear me out.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:


    Shit, if the leftwads can march around with “FREE MUMIA!” signs for a stinking cop-killer who shot that poor policeman several times IN THE BACK, then we need to get rockin’ and rollin’ with the Free Zimmerman! signs and the Zimmerman Defense Fund.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    DJ, according to Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws, and even self defense laws, you don’t have to be mortally injured in order to use lethal force to defend yourself. You only have to be in fear of your life, or in fear of receiving great bodily harm. If Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, bashing his head against the ground, I can quite well imagine Zimmerman was in fear of his life, therefore Zimmerman’s use of deadly force was justified.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Dj if you think that there is any aspect of this “case” that isn’t political theater you are being delusional. First it was “we just want to see him arrested” cept he had already been arrested. Then it was “we want to see him charged.” Cept it was the local DA that choose not to pursue. Allow me to remind you of doctored tapes to try to portray Z as being racially motivated. Of videos “where no injuries are seen” while disregarding the police report stating he was treated on the scene. Disregard the eyewitness who reported seeing Travon on top of Z. And lets just minimize this latest image as having no impact because you’ve “niked yourself worse in the shower” this case is a joke and a travesty on so many levels its insane. What evidence is the prosc going to submit? The girlfriends version? Unless she recorded conversation, how is it going to meet the definition of the charge and the beyond a reasonable doubt standard? Took the racebaiters three weeks until they decided they had a interest in this case, and how interesting there is this “controvertial” stand your ground law in the background. Fucking political theater in the courtroom ginned up by this paticipatory admin and utterly corrupted media

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    LC FORGER - Monster Hunter growls and barks:

    LCBrendan says:

    And any EMT, doctor or other medical officer will bear me out.

    As a former Paramedic with a decade of experience in the streets of St. Louis and Memphis, and an A+ in Anatomy and Physiology, I can verify that what LCBrendan sez is gospel.

    I don’t know how many stories I’ve heard of someone getting a “minor” bump on the head, going to bed and waking up dead from cerebral bleeding.

    Your brain is NOT mounted solidly in your skull. It floats in the middle of a lubricating/cushioning layer of fluid. And when your skull rapidly changes direction, your brain takes a bit to catch up, and most times catches up after bouncing off the inside of your skull, and then smacking the other side as well. Usually more than once.

    So one impact to the skull can result in 2 or 3 impacts to your brain. And ANY impact to your brain is bad juju.

    So if a hoodie wearing choir boy who is just fetching a bag of skillets for his little brother is smacking your Brain Housing Group on the concrete sidewalk, you’d best put a stop to that shit A.S.A.P. any way you can otherwise it’s gonna be YOUR family grieving.

    I don’t know about you, but I don’t wanna put my family thru that.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Tallulah says:

    we need to get rockin’ and rollin’ with the Free Zimmerman! signs and the Zimmerman Defense Fund.

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    The left will drive the narrative on this inconvenient photograph toward the issue of whether or not this is ‘enough injury’ to warrant the use of deadly force. Much like the divorce attorney who asks, “when was the last time you beat your wife?”, this is an artful dodge.

    The real issue here is that this photograph corroborates Zimmerman’s version of events. And in Zimmerman’s version, his actions were taken defensively, not aggressively. This is the ‘smoking gun’ in this case, and its existence means that the liberal narrative is wrong. This is not a ‘hate crime’ or the first wave of a violent attack on the favorite progressive pet minority and indentured voting bloc, it is the symptom of a cultural disease that has created a racial identity for crime in our nation and driven race relations to a potential breaking point.

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    bloodyspartan growls and barks:

    Why do you waste time with the Troll Dj, is his music that Important
    Only a scumbag lib, would look at someones injuries and not being there decide how much it hurt and how much his life is worth.

    Un fucking Believable

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    bloodyspartan growls and barks:

    Please feel free to tell DJ where I live if he want’s to stop by and discuss his and my worth.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    Interesting discussion.
    It may be the unpopular opinion, but I also don’t see this photo as proof that Zimmerman had reasonable fear for his life. I’m not discounting folks with medical experience who say that there is no head injury that is minor, but I also have nicked my scalp and bled that much or more.

    This photo does prove to me, is that this case is more than “an innocent black child gets gunned down by a racist” Zimmerman may very well have had reason to fear for his life. I’m waiting till the discovery hearing to make that call for myself, because I’m still not completely comfortable with the way he handled things. Or maybe I should say I’m not completely comfortable with what has been reported. As more myths are dispelled or damning facts are presented, things will clear up in my mind.

    Where I disagree with DJ is I don’t have a problem believing that a DA would bring charges in a chase they knew they could or should not win just to save face, or to score points with voters. I’ve seen to many first hand accounts of people who were charged or not charged to appease local pressure, the law be damned. This is a national story, with unbelievable pressure…….. so no I don’t trust the charges.

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    I don’t get the obsession w/the ‘Stand Your Ground’ approach – there are essentially two narratives being offered here:

    1) Zimmerman stalked harmless-child Martin, ran him down and, for the pure joy of ‘whackin’ a darkie’ murdered Martin in cold blood.

    2) Zimmerman was doing his neighborhood-watch thing (btw, 911 operators are not cops and have NO authority to “tell” you to do anything) and confronted Martin who, thinking Zimmerman was unarmed, jumped him and smacked the back of his head into the concrete – whereupon Zimmerman turned out NOT to be unarmed and, upon finding the back of his favorite head being bounced off the cement by a guy who overtopped him by at least 5 inches – ventilated him.

    Someone please tell me where “Stand Your Ground” fits into either of those?

    Seems to me that one is just straight murder – the other is straight self-defense.

    …unless of course, you believe that Zimmerman shot Martin – who then heroically kicked Zimmerman’s ass before finally succumbing to his wounds… which would have SYG applying to Martin’s actions…

    Which – in case you’re wondering – I do not personally believe.

    – MD

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    From the look of it, these are scratches, not “wounds”. If they were wounds, he would have gone to the hospital instead of simply getting cleaned up and transported to the police station in fifty minutes like he was. The cops would have insisted he go to the hospital first if they were considered to be more than scratches. No way they would have accepted that kind of liability.

    Cops are not paramedics or doctors, and it is likely they would have had one at the station when he got there. They would not disregard his wounds (any injury is a wound, Deej.) and would have ensured he was checked over. That’s SOP

    If he had, you can bet that his medical reports describing his near death injuries would have been plastered all over the place by now.

    Deej, you can fall over, belt your head, wince, go “ow” and go on about your daily business as if nothing had happened.,

    Then be found dead two days later.

    I also remind you that a HUGE number of head injury cases that lead to debilitating consequences or death are “silent killers” that go undetected because “they dont seem life threatening”

    There is more than one laceration, he didnt get them shaving his head, the wounds are recent and the blood is still flowing, one of them is horizontal in nature and large, both indicate an attack or other assault on the head from behind, so either he was against a wall and having his head bashed against it, or he was on the ground being assaulted, and his head smashed on a concrete or other hard surface, or on an edged hard surface.

    Sorry Deej, I have seen too many trauma cases to pass this off as a “shaving cut”.

    Note as well the angle and the direction of the wounds, and the fact they are at different places to each other, which indicates his head was moving, or being moved, when each impact occurred.

    He had a bloody head AND a broken nose?

    Clear case of assault, occasioning bodily harm.

    That speaks to me “in fear of ones life”

    Justifiable shooting.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    The defense attorney isn’t a slouch either, and neither is the judge. I would say that everyone is going to bring out their “A game” on this one, and that is a GOOD thing. The state may very well lose on this one, but at the end, nobody will honestly be able to say that this was a whitewash.

    I wouldn’t be too sure of that. We’re not even at the trail phase yet.

    The trial is being pushed through out of fear for another round of Rodney King style rioting in my opinion and I do not condemn the state one bit for being prudent. I just hope it isn’t too little too late no thanks to the LSM lynch posse roundup.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    To my bud Deej @ #28:

    The key word I used was “honestly”.

    There will always be dumbshits in the world. People will always use excuses for their bad behavior. It doesn’t even have to be realistic. There are assholes everywhere. Your example is just one of many.

    All true. Cold comfort for the Reginald Dennys to come though.

    Are YOU going to buy into this Bozo’s reasoning, or are you just going to chalk it up to yet another dickwad being an asshole?

    I’m gonna chalk it up to the left wing (dis)organized lynch mob once again getting blood for blood’s sake. I’ll also chalk it up to the Al Sharktongues and Jesse Jackasses, aided and abetted by their LSM lackies, getting away with incitement because of said mob force.

    I’ll further chalk it up to a lack of Second Amendment rights in the Shitty of the Big Shoulders and the midwestern version of California sometimes known as the state of Ill-Annoy allowing the Chi-town parasites to claim yet another victim with the convenience of a vending machine.

    I’ll especially chalk it up to all the individuals, past and present, that created our current social apartheid through their welfare schemes, set-asides, affirmative action ploys, urban renewal scams, institutional double standards, phony victimhood snake oil, shameless pandering and condescension through grassroots sellouts and their limousine liberal benefactors, revisionist historians in academia and the entertainment industries…

    …but mostly to the masses on ALL sides of the social spectrum who sat, and continue to sit idly by all this time, preferring to lose themselves in the various distractions of this so-called modern society that ‘knows’ about the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

    Special loathing goes to the perps who make their decisions and act upon them regardless of realities or consequences to others.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Deej: mate, you are mising my point.

    It is NOT the external injuries you see that are the issue here. You CANNOT ever dismiss a head injury based on looks alone, and as I have repeated, it can take days , or years, for a “silent killer” to step in.

    It is what you do not see that can kill you.

    You can’t see a hairline skull fracture, or a subarachnoid bleed..but they can both kill you in seconds.

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    SDN growls and barks:

    LCBrendan, you can quote facts until you fall over; DJ is not interested in them. No Leftist ever is.

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #16:
    Thanks , I went on by last evening.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    I had a buddy who died of the type of injury LC Brendan describes. single kick in the head. thought he was fine. 6 months later, stared having seizures. 2 years later, had a seizure in bed, and ate his pillow, and suffocated.

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    Reading through all the medical discussions, and they are truth. I too was registered EMT many moons ago, and I was taught the same thing.

    The justification lies not just within that, GZ may have no internal trauma at all, or he may end up having a stroke next week, we don’t know that. What we do know, or may reasonably assume, is that he had justifiable fear for his life, given the testimonies so far, and the evidence of the assault.

    What I am seeing, far more so, is EXACTLY what I’m reading out of Troy’s comments. And you know it too. They are going to milk this fucker to the middle of October, then set off the race riots right before the election. And that, boys and girls, is one of the primary reasons for belt fed weapons and large magazines.

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    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    It seems to me that the extent of one’s injuries is totally divorced from the concept of whether one fears for his life or not. After all if someone comes at me with a weapon and I use lethal force before he lays a hand on me just because there are no discernible injuries it doesn’t detract from the idea I was in fear for my life.

    The fact of Zimmerman’s wounds are prima facie evidence he was assaulted. The extent not so much even though they appear to me more than just “razor nick”; that is unless the “razor” your using is a standard wood hatchet. Now the question in the case is who initiated the struggle. The state sure as hell doesn’t know and they have said as much.

    He aggressively questioned a state investigator, Dale Gilbreath, about the accusation that Mr. Zimmerman had racially profiled Mr. Martin, and he demanded to know what evidence the state had for the statement that “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.”

    “Do you know who started the fight?” Mr. O’Mara asked Mr. Gilbreath.

    “Do I know?” Mr. Gilbreath said. “No.”

    Mr. O’Mara then asked Mr. Gilbreath if the state had any evidence to contradict Mr. Zimmerman’s statement to the police that he had been making his way back to his car when he was punched by Mr. Martin. Mr. Zimmerman told investigators he shot Mr. Martin in self-defense after Mr. Martin banged his head on concrete, covered his nose and mouth and reached for his gun.

    Mr. Gilbreath responded, “No.”

    From Just One Minute via Instapundit

    Many in the legal profession are heaping scorn and derision on these proceedings from Alan Dershowitz to the Great One

    This is a run of the mill shooting that happens everyday in many major American cities that was blown out of proportion looking to create another conflagration in hopes of distracting the nation from the cynical and deceitful resident of the United States when his wholly fabricated in the west wing “war on women” started to collapse.

    Class war, gender war, race war. Repeat as necessary.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    None of this shit about brain injury is even barely relevant.

    If some asshole has got me by the ears and is bouncing my head off the pavement, I’m going to shoot a hole through him while I can, and not wait to see if he’s going to stop short of spreading my occiput around the neighborhood. And I’ll shoot him, if I can, before I lose consciousness. Tough to do it afterwards.

    If there’s no long term damage, well, good for me, but the guy trying to crack my egg is still going to be dead.

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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    The facts so far:
    1) Z called 9-1-1, reported suspicious activity.
    2) Somebody heard someone screaming for help
    3) Somebody saw somebody in a hoodie on top of another guy, pounding his head in the pavement
    4) That somebody got shot and killed.
    5) paramedics showed up, cops showed up
    6) Pictures of back of bloody head showing injuries
    7) powder burns on “victims” clothes showing close contact w/muzzle of weapon
    8) police report went before the DA and said DA decided not to press charges.
    9) cell tower records shows cellphone call slightly after the time of the incident.
    10) Professional race baiters show up, raise pluperfect hell about the case, call it “murder”
    11) lots of uncorroborated “facts” come out about what went down.
    12) video of Z being taken to the police station show up.
    13) DA reopens case, decides to charge murder or manslaughter (don’t remember which…)
    14) speculation galore by the LSM, most of it pathetically wrong.
    15) Z gets his hearing, charged with $150K bail (this is standard for the charges leveled).

    Did I leave anything out? If I did, please speak up.

    Deej, armchair quarterbacking never solves the problem. Three separate Rotties with experience say the injuries are consistent w/head meeting pavement. More than once, from the injuries. I believe them, although my training in head trauma is minimal. And yes, you can die much MUCH later of trauma received in a fight, accident, altercation. Just because YOU survived doesn’t mean the next guy will.

    Facts, people, facts show that Z was probably justified, but none of us HAVE ALL THE FACTS. My opinion is that this is an open-and-shut self defense case about a punk who didn’t like being observed and decided on a little street justice. My OPINION. Which is worth nothing in this case.

    Already is ugly (thanks to the race-baiters and racists), and gonna get uglier. Belt fed weapons may need to be applied here, I fervently wish nothing even remotely like their use is necessary. Not looking good.

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    rickl growls and barks:

    I found this site earlier today. It is essential reading for anyone interested in this case:

    Update #11

    That’s the like to Update #11, but read #9, #10 (part 1), and #10 (part 2) first. Those links are in the link I provided. I would say that #10 (part 2) is the most interesting.

    Best pack a lunch first, or an overnight bag. These posts are incredibly detailed, and contain information I’ve seen nowhere else. In a sane world, they would win the Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting.

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    rickl @ #41:

    Rickl, thanks for pointing this out. I encourage everyone with an interest in this case to follow the link and do some reading. This is a remarkable body of detailed investigative reporting you just don’t see in the mainstream media anymore, and it is brilliantly done and redolent with the truth. It would be truly explosive, if it were ever widely seen.

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    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain growls and barks:

    I really don’t much care about this. Why? The Lamestream Media wants me to care…hence, I don’t.

    Let’s put this in perspective. This criminal case is getting major play in all the LSM outlets with the race baiters trying to cash in press time and fund raising opportunities. Meanwhile, our border patrol agents lost their National Guard reinforcements, the border has more holes in it than a Bill Clinton legal argument, and innocent American citizens routinely get the crap kicked out of them or worst by the drug cartels in Mexico.

    And all of this takes place within thirty miles of my back porch.

    So this story doesn’t quite upset me as much as the boneheads over the MSLSD wants.

    And I’d say more, but I need to get some fresh ammunition in my handgun…and make sure the claymores are properly set up before I go to bed.


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    LC Robohobo growls and barks:

    As those who carry know there are a few rules:

    1. Know that when you must draw the weapon you may be forced to use it.
    2. If forced to use it your life will be irrevocably changed.
    3. You can and must make one and only one statement to the police = “I was in fear for my life.” Then STFU.
    4. When asked if you would like to talk to the police “…just to clear things up…” decline and insist on waiting for your lawyer. Then STFU.

    Go google the video at YouTube about why you should never, ever talk to the police without your lawyer present. Listen to it. Listen to it again. Revisit that video every 6 months as a refresher.

    Also, practice at the range enough that you are going to be the only one talking to the police about the incident.

    Anything else – discussion on internet forums with Liberals, what a bad mo-fo you are, arguing with Liberals on the internet is just self-abuse and should be avoided. The same is trying to convince Liberals they are anything other than drain-bamaged chumps is the same.

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    The picture shows that Z’man clearly had a gushing shaving accident on the sidewalk as he framed an innocent teenager who was just playing patty-cakes with him whilst sitting on his chest.
    Real talk.
    Deej knows this,, ‘just likes to pursue that fucked up mission to say stupid shit to drive up site hits. :em02:

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    bruce growls and barks:

    neither tray or his father lived in the housing complex and were mooching off the father’s girl friend.while on parole from school for possession of dope and burglary tools in his locker old tray with his gold grill and tattoos was spotted prowling around the complex looking for some thing to steal to help pay for his gold teeth. but tray flashed a few gang sign then attacked zimmerman from behind knocking him on to to side walk then jumped on top of zimmerman and with a maniacal gold filled grin on his face began smashing zimmermans head into the side walk.that is when zimmerman shot the 6’3″ tray martin and that is how martin found out that crime does not pay.

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    bruce says:

    and that is how martin found out that crime does not pay.

    Or, he provided proof that one should bring more than a fictitious bag of skittles to a gunfight.

    BTW, ‘Attaboys and Kudos all around for the Sanford City Council that refused to let Chief of Police Lee resign today.

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    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    BTW, ‘Attaboys and Kudos all around for the Sanford City Council that refused to let Chief of Police Lee resign today.

    Amen to that Cheap! Finally some balls and common sense in this bull shit, manufactured fiasco.

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    Eric T. growls and barks:

    Too bad Zimmerman didn’t have a doctor or paramedic handy to assess the extent of head trauma before he shot the guy who was pounding his head into the ground. Shame on him for making such a serious decision while dazed from his brain getting bounced around inside his skull. He should have waited until he was out of ICU and able to focus both eyes on the same object again. There’s no way to know when St. Trayvon was going to stop beating Zimmerman’s head on the pavement–one more slam or 40 more. Either way, it was stopped before serious bodily harm was incurred. That is the whole point of self defense.

    Also too bad that St. Trayvon’s daddy didn’t tell him that starting a beat-down on unfamiliar people in a state with 900,000 issued Concealed Carry Permits is a bad idea.