Hooray For ObamaCare!

Or “the NHS” as it is called in British English:

When Kenneth Warden was diagnosed with terminal bladder cancer, his hospital consultant sent him home to die, ruling that at 78 he was too old to treat.

But it wasn’t a “death panel”, mind you! Nowhere do those two words appear in the doctor’s job description. Besides, how can you have a “panel” with only one member? So shut up, extremist Hobbit Visigoths and rally behind Mittens ObamneyCare Who Is The Only Man Who Can Save America™!

Even the palliative surgery or chemotherapy that could have eased his distressing symptoms were declared off-limits because of his age.

So it wasn’t “merely” a case of “go home and die, you old fart”, it was a “go home and die in excruciating agony, you worthless old geezer!”

They didn’t even offer a “thank you” for the decades’ worth of taxes he’d been forced to pay into the system that he was too old and useless for.

His distraught daughter Michele Halligan accepted the sad prognosis but was determined her father would spend his last months in comfort. So she paid for him to seen privately by a second doctor to discover what could be done to ease his symptoms.

But he still died, right? After all, there was no hope for a cure. That’s what “terminal” means, right? So his sweet daughter just ended up blowing her savings on a hopeless cause, just like the definitely-not-a-death-panel doctor had said, right?

Thanks to her tenacity, Kenneth got the drugs and surgery he needed — and as a result his cancer was actually cured. Four years on, he is a sprightly 82-year-old who works out at the gym, drives a sports car and competes in a rowing team.

Er… Never mind. But shut up anyway!

Thatisall.

13 comments

  1. 1
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    Sigh…

    But its all TRUE!

    Anyone who is a vet having to deal with the VA can tell you exactly what government-run health care will be like if Obamacare continues. The ‘death panels’ won’t just be for seniors, they will be for everyone.

    e.g.:

    You’re an I.T. specialist (what many people think is purely s desk job but isn’t when you have to go check physical connections on a machine) and your knee decides to go wacky. The Panel says you don’t need arthroscopic surgery to fix your knee because its ‘not cost effective’ and ‘isn’t necessary for your trade’ . So you’re just supposed to work happily and pay your taxes and be in agony. (close enough to my own VA experience, with a few generalizations)

    (Taken from several friend’s current medical situations) Low testosterone? Not covered. ‘not cost effective’ and ‘unnecessary’.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Dec 21,2012 is coming. Who knows? Maybe it’ll just wipe out the liberals, assholes, and bureaucrats. But I repeated myself with “assholes”, didn’t I?

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    Somehow Obamacare equates with the NHS? Really? Except for the stupid mandate, it is still the same private insurance that we’ve always had.

    If anything, MORE people would be covered instead of being turned away for pre-existing illnesses, but it would STILL be private doctors treating you and private insurance companies covering you.

    Yet you are still stuck with that phoney “death panel” meme.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    When government goes into competition with the private sector for a service, it will first beat its competition senseless with stupid rules. When they stand alone, they will go ahead and fuck it all the way up. When they took over GM, one of their first targets was Toyota, the principal competitor in the US.

    Those of us who have always wanted GENUINE health care reform wanted things like transportability, the ability to purchase across state lines, tort reform. Those are things the government has already fucked into a cocked hat.

    And besides the stupid and disingenuous “commerce clause” fantasy, just where does the government get the authority to do it? From the good and plenty clause?

    Liberals. Assholes, the lot of them. Most of them would be significantly improved by laying them out on a slab.

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    LibraryGryffon growls and barks:

    DJ: you are forgetting that several of the Dems in Congress said flat out that they viewed this as a step on the way to their ultimate goal of single payer. And of course that single payer would be the government.

    And if you really want to see how the Dems view health care, find a copy of Zeke Emanuel’s editorial in Lancet (he’s not the first author, so you can’t find it that way in PubMed), and read about their cozy “Whole Lives” model for allocating “scarce” medical resources. If you are under 15, they don’t want to pay for it, because you are less likely to survive and get to “live a whole life”. If you are over 45 or 50, they don’t want to pay for it, because you have already “lived a whole life”. If at any point, it looks like you won’t survive or be able to lead what they consider a productive life, they don’t want to pay for it. Basically, if you don’t have at least 10 more years of taxpaying in you, forget it.

    We don’t have enough doctors in this country. There are geographic areas and specialties, where you can have the gold-plated, Cadillac, policies, and you *still* won’t get health care. Instead of giving everyone worthless health insurance, I’d rather they overrode the AMA’s insistence on keeping the number of med school slots artificially low. I’d also support federal financial support of medical school so doctors don’t have to go a quarter million in debt before they ever start earning, not to mention that they start earning close to 10 years later than most other professions, so they have that many fewer years to pay off that debt and save up for retirement.

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    LibraryGryffon says:

    DJ: you are forgetting that several of the Dems in Congress said flat out that they viewed this as a step on the way to their ultimate goal of single payer. And of course that single payer would be the government.

    They also said that there would be a “public option” too, but that never happened either. Neither did “transparency” and a million of other pie-in-the-sky claims that politicians have uttered since the creatures first appeared on earth.

    Better to look at what we ended up with instead.

    Democrats bought into the “single-payer” thing because they weren’t paying close enough attention two what Obama actually said in the Summer of 2008. Obama NEVER promised “single-payer”, instead he said that if we were starting from scratch, a single-payer system would be ideal. But that the political realities would make such a system impossible to implement now.

    But everyone only heard what they wanted to hear, and were really upset when the “single-payer” option was taken off the table right at the beginning of the health care debate.

    Instead, there was some exploration into having a “public option” in the mandate, but it was Republicans who feared that would be the first step towards a single payer system.

    A lot of us would have just been happy by opening up Medicare for all as an option. But only have it cover catastrophic injury and illnesses if you were under 60 years old. If you wanted insurance above and beyond catastrophic care, then you would have to find a private insurance company — or not. But you would no longer be able to just waltz into an emergency room to have your boo boo looked at unless you could pay.

    Obviously THAT never happened either.

    Instead we ended up with a health care insurance system that ONLY benefits the insurance companies. Like much of the ALEC written legislation found in the Republican states, this one looks like it was written by United Health Care, because they stand to make billions off if this abortion.

    Ironically, there is very little difference between ObamaCare and what the Heritage Foundation tried to push twenty years ago, and what Governor Etch-a-Sketch came up with a few years ago. Conservatives LOVED the idea back when they initially proposed it. Not so much now though. Funny, that.
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    Bitter Clinger growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn — Pragmatist-at Large says:

    If anything, MORE people would be covered instead of being turned away for pre-existing illnesses, but it would STILL be private doctors treating you and private insurance companies covering you

    Imagine you are running a business and another company begins to compete with you. Now imagine that that company does not have to abide by the same rules as you (insurance across state lines), does not have to make a profit (government entity) and can force the market to accept them (power of congress). How long will you be able to stay in business?

    Competition is great. It has leas to some of the greatest advancements in human history. But that isn’t competition it is a thinly veiled and systematic approach to Socialized Medicine. (AKA Single Payer or NHS)

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    My dermatologist said “if they overturn Obamacare, your insurance premiums are going to double next year.” Where he gets this, I don’t know: he said it applies to independent, self-insured people like me.

    Any info? sounds nutty to me, because I know the insurance companies are in cahoots with Zero about obamacare; that’s why we didn’t have the “Harry and Louise” commercials like we did in the Hillarycare era. Remember those?

    Soooo — seriously, how can a doc figure this? I’ll see him on Friday and I reckon I should ask. :em03:

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn — Pragmatist-at Large says:

    They also said that there would be a “public option” too, but that never happened either.

    And, from my native stomping grounds, they also promised us back in the 70s that the EU would never, EVAH end up as a bloated, supra-national bureaucracy that would have made Hitler shit himself with envy. Because socialists are always honest and would never ever dream of just sneaking the camel’s dick under the tent with the obvious intent of shoving the whole critter and its extended family inside as soon as they could.

    The thing is: With OgabeCare offering the gummint as an “alternative”, private insurance will go out of business because they, unlike the gummint, can’t underwrite their red ink by stealing more money from the people at gunpoint. It’s not “competition” if one competitor is armed with a Vulcan and the other “competitors” aren’t allowed anything more impressive than a straw and a spitball.

    And if you’re going to say, when the only thing left is the gummint death panels and bloated bureaucracies with 500 administrators for every 10 nurses and doctors, that this was “wholly unintended”, then I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn etc….
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    Emperor Misha I says:

    And, from my native stomping grounds, they also promised us back in the 70s that the EU would never,

    But you aren’t anywhere near your “native stomping grounds”, and as you can well see, there is enough of a resistance to the idea of “single payer” or “public option” for its implementation to happen any time soon — if ever.

    MOST of that resistance isn’t from the people, mind you, but from the insurance companies who spend gobs of money to buy our government officials. Our “founding fathers” are speaking VERY loudly in this case — in the form of the money that they adorn.

    It is funny, but most of the provisions of “Obamacare” were once the brainchild of Republicans. Richard Nixon proposed this. Bob Dole proposed this. The Heritage Foundation proposed this. Obama got it passed and suddenly every Republican is against it.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    The thing is: With OgabeCare offering the gummint as an “alternative”, private insurance will go out of business because they, unlike the gummint, can’t underwrite their red ink by stealing more money from the people at gunpoint.

    No, the private carriers might “go out of business” because the government isn’t trying to turn a PROFIT and satisfy its stock holders. That is the reason the private companies don’t want a public option — four out of ten dollars in the private sector goes towards profits and bonuses. The government (or a non-profit) has a MUCH lower overhead.

    Don’t want the eeeevil government to handle health care? Create non-profit alternatives instead.

    Remember, the purpose of the health care reform was to provide AFFORDABLE health care to everyone. HOW it is done isn’t as important as GETTING it done.

    The problem is, Obamacare doesn’t really do any of that. It forces more people into buying private insurance, but it doesn’t translate into it being “affordable”.

    If I had MY way, I would scrap Obamacare altogether. I would open up Medicare to everyone for catastrophic injury and illness only, until they become seniors and would then be covered for everything. If someone wants additional insurance to cover the day-to-day ailments, then they can purchase their supplementary insurance through a private carrier. That way everyone is covered for emergency health care and it doesn’t become a drain on the health care system.

    IF you want regular medical coverage, you can choose to pay for it in cash, or purchase insurance — all up to you. But if you can’t afford to go to the doctor because you have the sniffles, then you are out of luck, unless you can find a free clinic somewhere. Pay as you go, and personal responsibility, and all that.

    The biggest drain on our system is from those people who show up in the emergency room without insurance and no money to pay. By law, the emergency rooms have to treat someone, regardless of whether they can pay or not. For those of us who ARE paying, WE are the ones who end up having to pay the bill in higher medical costs. (That is how you end up with that $15 aspirin on hospital bills through your insurance company.)

    A while back I read a report that if we each paid an additional $11 a month in our medicare taxes, we could pay for a Medicare for all system for catastrophic illness and injury for everyone. It would have the effect of reducing medical costs by almost half. The private insurance companies would no longer have the burden of having to deal with catastrophic illnesses.
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    DJ Allyn — Pragmatist-at Large says:

    The biggest drain on our system is from those people who show up in the emergency room without insurance and no money to pay

    That’s going to need a citation.
    If you want to see where the leviathan’s share goes, have a look at the patient recruiters that cruise the streets looking for clinic patients for cycling by the physician’s scam shop,, the physicians (too many, not all) that cannot be methodical or accurate enough in their practice to avoid damaging patients enough to avoid verrrry generous jury awards to be paid by their insurance,, and my favorite: the incredible markup between the producers/manufacturers of medicine, and the price paid by the end user’s insurance.
    And, just because Misha learned about the festering toxin of socialism overseas DOES NOT mean that it’s an inapplicable caveat here. Ignoring it is sheer ignorance.

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    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    That’s going to need a citation.

    How about THIS one?

    Did you think that the bills that uninsured people rack up simply go unpaid? Those bills get passed over to people who ARE paying — most notably, the insurance companies, who in turn pass that cost over to the insured in higher premiums.

    Perhaps when I said “costs”, you got a bit confused by what I was talking about.

    There are a number of factors that account for the higher cost of health care these days. There are more people, there are more people getting older. More disease, more expensive technology, more people not able to afford basic health care.

    When you talk about $42 billion in bills going unpaid each year, that is a huge chunk of money. That is a big drain on our system that can be easily fixed.
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