Racist “White Hispanic” Vigilante Murderer Slaying Innocent Little Child™ Narrative Unravelling [UPDATED AGAIN]

As we suspected all along but, unlike the Enemy Media™, we prefer to wait until actual facts start coming in prior to issuing a verdict like, say, the Duke Lacrosse Rapists and Sister Mangum of the Chastisty Church™ narrative that worked out so well for the Enemy Media. (h/t Ace O’ Spades):

Trayvon Martin may have attacked a Neighborhood Watch captain

before the man shot dead the unarmed teen in a gated community in Florida, an anonymous witness who spoke to police claimed yesterday.

You don’t say? Well that does sort of put a different light on the whole “racist murdering in cold blood” angle, doesn’t it? Oh, and it’s interesting that the only photos the press can get of the victim, a 6’2″ footballer, are of the “smiling 7th grader” variety. Not that it matters that much, but it’s an interesting data point.

The witness, known only as John, told Sanford police that he saw Martin on top of George Zimmerman shortly before the fatal shot that has led to a national outcry, including a huge ‘hoodie’ march in Philadelphia last night. He recounted the details to Fox 35 News in Florida.

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The witness told FOX 35 in Orlando that he saw evidence of a fight between Martin and Zimmerman, which could lend credence to the gunman’s claim that he was acting in self-defence.

‘The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: “Help, help… and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,’ he said.

Zimmerman was wearing a red sweater; Martin was in a grey hoodie.

He added: ‘When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.’

Not entirely irrelevant (and that’s a British Understatement) since that description fits nicely with the police report describing Zimmermann, post-shooting, as being bloodied on both front and back of his head and having grass stains on the back of his clothes. Not to mention that being on the ground with a 6’2″ athlete on top of you pounding the snot out of you (if that’s what happened, but we doubt that Martin was simply trying to give Zimmermann a hug) is quite a bit of a different situation, use of force-wise, to “starting a fight with somebody looking at you and then gunning him down when he walks toward you”.

But the latter version plays better in the liberal Enemy Media, not to mention with their friend Al Sharpton.

Mustn’t let facts disturb The Narrative™, don’t you know?

So far, what facts we have point toward a justified shooting, at least as far as our understanding of Florida use of lethal force statutes goes, but it’s still early.

The other narrative about the “dangers” of “vigilante” citizens patrolling their own neighborhoods the Enemy Media and any other limp-wristed fucknozzles can shove up their Khybers and spin on it. From what we know, Zimmermann was known and respected by the police as a local neighborhood watch volunteer who provided them with good information and just wanted to do his bit to lower crime in his troubled neighborhood. In this case, he did so by calling the police immediately when he noticed a suspicious individual (odd behavior if he was just a bloodthirsty vigilante out to commit murder, don’t you think?) and then following said individual so as to maintain contact until police could respond. We fail to see anything outrageous there. Zimmermann’s surveillance skills unfortunately weren’t up to the task and the suspect saw him. Again, we fail to see anything outrageous there. It would have been much better if the suspect had never noticed anything until the Blue Light Special arrived, of course, but are the hand-wringers really trying to say that we should just notify the police when we see something strange and then go hide behind a bush? Of course they are. A citizenry willing to stand up for itself is not easily controlled.

The story may change again as more data come in, but so far it looks like your garden variety “good” shoot.

Thatisall.

UPDATE: And, thanks to the inflammatory rhetoric from Reichsführer und GröFaZ Ogabe and his wholly owned toadies in the Enemy Media, the Black Panthers are already ramping up for a full-on race war (h/t Protein Wisdom):

Yesterday afternoon at a press conference, the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense circulated a “wanted dead or alive” poster for George Zimmerman for shooting to death a Florida teenager four weeks ago.

Minister Mikhail Muhummud led the press conference, calling for the firing of Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, the arrest of George Zimmerman and some involvement from President Obama. Muhummud stated he is the southern regional director for the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense located in Jacksonville, Florida. While Minister Muhummud fired off a list of demands and expressed outrage over the handling of the shooting and subsequent investigation; a member of the group passed flyers to about 100 people who showed up for the press conference. Muhummud told the group he was not concerned with rumors of death threats to George Zimmerman, “He should be afraid for his life.” [emphasis ours -- Emp.M.]

What? We can’t pin that on Teh One™ and the Enemy Race Hustler Media, you say? That’s odd. We could have sworn that it’s not that long ago that Gabbie Giffords’ shooting was entirely due to “inflammatory rhetoric” from the right as exemplified by a poster with a cross-hair on it that the shooter hadn’t even seen.

Eat your own damn medicine, you ghoulish socialist parasites. Eat it and enjoy it.

UPDATE the Second: Oh dear. It would seem that the vigilante violence that Ogabe, the Enemy Media and the Professional Race Hustling industry has called for goes beyond a bit of “innocent” handing out “wanted, dead or alive” posters:

SANFORD — Members of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the “capture” of George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin.

New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad announced the reward during a protest in Sanford Saturday. And when asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon in a gated Sanford community on Feb. 26.

Muhammad said members of his group would search for Zimmerman themselves in Maitland — where the 28-year old worked before the shooting, employees there told the Orlando Sentinel. He declined to say when the group would begin their search.

Say, wasn’t there a time when publicly putting out contracts on people was, well, illegal? So why isn’t the Black SS Panthers being shut down by more Feds than you can shake a stick at while their leadership, openly operating like an organized crime outfit, is being frog marched off to jail?

Oh… We forgot. AG Heinrich “Who Gives a Shit About Dead Mexicans?” Holder… Never mind.

Mark our words, though: Every single bit of harm that may come to Zimmerman at this point is entirely, entirely Reichsführer Ogabe and the Enemy Media’s fault. Every. Single. Bit.

Good going, Mr. “Post-Racial” president, you slimy, lying, socialist fuck.

145 comments

  1. 1
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    And Obama, with his comments, just like in the Cambridge professors case, have RUINED any chance of Zimmerman being proven innocent.

    Foist

  2. 2
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    WHERE was Obamas umbrage when two Black youths doused a white teenager with gas and LIT HIM ON FIRE?????

    crickets

  3. 3
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    7 percent of the population commits 50% of the crime and the Democrat plantation keeps black people on their plantation while the race pimps Sharpton and Jackson continue to encourage this sense of entitlement with backing from a racist President.

    President has spoken out on two issues while in office…both covered the president yelling foul without having all the facts…Prof Gates WAS in the wrong…We do not yet know all the facts on Trayvon Martin. It is a tragic sad story a d waste of life….but the fact he was where he was because of being suspended for 5 days, and was in a gang know by his gang name TrayDog, and his father identified the tape of the person yelling for help as NOT his son (it was Zimmerman) , and Trayvon’s grades were sealed by a lawyer…are facts not in the forefront of the “He looks like me” defense.

    Understand Your president needs an issue while he has been revealed to be a racist CRT Critical Race Theory believer…with communist ties and beliefs…The vetting will go on regardless if the soulless man in the WH gets a race war started, and more people die……Obama could care less about your black son or the people of this country…He was been on a mission to destroy the country and who has suffered more with his policies than the poor and poor blacks…Obama is NOT an African American..He is a Kenyan American raised in the most privileged circumstances imaginable, with the best education Affirmative Action could bestow upon him…by communist parents and grandparents…who took advantage of the Best America has to offer…And this garbage is his thanks.

    Vote the communist race baiter out of office…and bring all Americans back together.

  4. 4
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    Time for some real soul-searching here. If the enemy media, aided and abetted by Al “Not Too” Sharpton, conclude that they must react this way to this story, then they should also be asking themselves if their “Great Uniter” has failed in his anointed mission to bring the races together in one great nation of “hope and change”.

    The truth is that race relations have never been worse, and the reasons for this all trace back to the manifold failures of the occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania. As quite possibly the most incompetent head of state in the modern history of western civilization, his ineptitude has become confused with his racial background, and this is a dangerous mixture. This is happening to blacks as well as whites, as many in the African American community are bewildered by continued strife and rising unemployment in their community, when promises were clearly made to them by Obama in 2008. Add that to our society’s misguided efforts to bend over backwards for the sake of racial harmony and we have results that are the polar opposite of those desired.

    Not good.

  5. 5
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Want a more recent pic of the innocent child Treyvon? Try this one at My Pet Jawa -

    http://tinyurl.com/7htbf5m

  6. 6
    0007 growls and barks:

    I ‘spect the actual incident went something like this.
    Zim sees a guy in a hoodie walking through the(his) neighborhood. He stops his car, gets out, and asks hoodie person who he is and what he is doing in the neighborhood.
    Hoodie person is upset that a whitey has accosted him(whiteys are supposed to be victims) and proceeds to unload with trash talk. Zim probably replys in kind, then ends with, well, the cops are on the way. Zim turns around and starts walking back to his car whereupon hoodie guy jumps on him.
    Unfortunately hoodie guy forgot that FL has probably the largest number of CCW permits per capita in the country.

    As some else pointed out, wasn’t it funny that the only pictures of Trayvon that showed up on the LMSM forever were of a 12 y/o holding a puppy.
    Must of sucked to be them when somebody read the police report and found that he was 6ft tall and weighed ~160 pounds.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Ah, and here it comes, the anonymous witness three weeks after the fact…

    But hey, let’s to think this through a little, shall we?

    Say you are a 6’2″ 140 pound soaking wet 17-year-old kid minding your own business, talking to your girl friend on the phone while walking home in the rain from the convenience store where you just bought some candy and an iced tea for your little brother. You aren’t bothering anyone, you aren’t breaking any laws — you are minding your own business.

    You notice this older guy, 6′ 1″ 250 pound guy staring at you, and now the guy is starting to follow you. You tell your girl friend that there is this guy following you — she tells you to run, but you aren’t doing anything wrong. But you start walking faster, because hey, this guy might be a pedophile or might want to rob you. You think you might have gotten away from him but there he is again, right there in front of you. You ask him why he’s following you and he challenges you as to why you are there. He shoves you and you deck him knocking him to the ground in self defense. After all, you had no interest in this big guy before he started hunting you.

    So you knock him down and you are going to make sure he stays down. (does the stand your ground defense only work with fire arms?) Zimmerman, finding that he bit off more than he could chew (and also ignored the instructions from the police NOT to follow) suddenly feels as though his “life is in danger” from an agile kid who weighs 140 pounds soaking wet and decides that this “fucking coon” needs to die. So he shoots him.

    The question is, WHICH actor is in a better position to claim self defense? The one minding his own business, or the one who initiated the conflict only to find himself on the losing end?
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    Want a more recent pic of the innocent child Treyvon? Try this one at My Pet Jawa -

    http://tinyurl.com/7htbf5m

    You do realize that there are WHITE kids posing the same exact way, don’t you? It’s a style, a culture. I am sure your parents thought that some of your generation’s goofiness was a sign that the world was going to hell in a hand basket also.

    The point is, this kid was NOT breaking any laws. He was minding his own business. I could care less if he was wearing a Zippy the Pinhead attire while cartwheeling through that neighborhood. He ended up shot to death because some police academy reject self appointed himself as the neighborhood surrogate rent-a-cop and confronted the kid.

    If I would have been Trayvon Martin, I probably would have tried to knock out Chuckles the Pretend Cop also.
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  9. 9
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    The question is, WHICH actor is in a better position to claim self defense? The one minding his own business, or the one who initiated the conflict only to find himself on the losing end?

    First off, you’re assuming facts not in evidence.

    But it’s a hypothetical, which is fair enough since that’s all any of us are left with. Of course, that doesn’t mean jack shit to Ogabe, the Enemy Media and Al “not too” Sharpton who have already decided, without a hint of a doubt, that Zimmerman is guilty of murder and should be put down like a rabid dog.

    They’ve already decided that Zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent and that he should be charged, convicted and put away. I, on the other hand, am a stickler for this whole “innocent until proven guilty”, particularly in cases where all the available evidence so far points in that direction.

    But sure. in your hypothetical, where the kid who must have been one skinny dude coming in at only 140lbs with 6’2″ of athlete to hold it up was just quietly walking home from the candy store (or choir practice), is then provoked into a fight and ends up on top of the attacker and gets shot, in THAT case the “kid” would certainly have acted in self-defense, and that might have been what happened.

    But there is not a shred of evidence pointing to that so far, and what is known points in the opposite direction.

    Listen: It could have gone down the way you speculate, who knows?, but the thing is that this doesn’t matter to resident “the police acted foolishly” Ogabe, the Enemy Media and the Black SS Panthers, who’ve already decided that actual evidence and justice are irrelevant in this matter because, well, THE RACISM!
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    Lady H growls and barks:

    Until all the facts are know, I am reserving judgement. It is too bad that the MSM has already convicted Zimmerman and are leading the lynch mobs.

    I cannot even go on Facebook without getting sick at all the kneejerk reactions from my friends and family about this case.

    Funny we didn’t hear this huge outcry when white youths were attacked because of their skin color not too long ago.

    But of course our esteemed (puke) Media has to be working overtime to get Teh One re-elected and make us forget the high gas prices and the higher cost of living since Zero took office.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Ah, and here it comes, the anonymous witness three weeks after the fact…

    But hey, let’s to think this through a little, shall we?

    yes, let’s do that. As in how come this is a national issue over a month after it happened? did it take the race hustlers that long to raise/extort the cash to get there to shove their faces in front of the cameras?

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    Want a more recent pic of the innocent child Treyvon? Try this one at My Pet Jawa -

    Uh dude, that’s a photo of Zimmerman. Better try again. :em04:

  13. 13
    The Lone Haranguer growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    Zimmerman, finding that he bit off more than he could chew (and also ignored the instructions from the police NOT to follow) suddenly feels as though his “life is in danger” from an agile kid who weighs 140 pounds soaking wet and decides that this “fucking coon” needs to die. So he shoots him.

    :em04:
    What part of your ass did you pull that out of evidence is there that such words were ever said?Why, with this obvious inside knowledge that no one else has, you should go down to Florida and set them straight! :em05:

  14. 14
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Minister Mikhail Muhummud

    ’nuff said.

  15. 15
    Draven32 growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Say you are a 6’2? 140 pound soaking wet 17-year-old kid minding your own business, talking to your girl friend on the phone while walking home in the rain from the convenience store where you just bought some candy and an iced tea for your little brother. You aren’t bothering anyone, you aren’t breaking any laws — you are minding your own business.

    Innocent little 17 year old kid minding your own business walking home in the rain carrying milk and cookies for grandma who just happens to wander into a gated community on his way home.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    First off, you’re assuming facts not in evidence.

    Jesus. There are 911 calls every which way from breakfast on this one.. Pick one.

    Ask yourself a simple question:

    Was this kid doing anything illegal?

    No he wasn’t.

    Did Zimmerman have a right to go out of his way to follow and stop the kid?

    No he didn’t.

    “Self defense” doesn’t include putting starting a confrontation and then finding yourself on the losing end of the stick. The ONLY self defense that most clear-thinking people can see would be that Trayvon Martin was in the position to claim that self defense. CLEARLY, it was Zimmerman who provoked the confrontation, NOT the other way around.

    Lady H @ #10:

    Lemme translate that for you:

    Until you get some kind of story that exonerates the White/Hispanic guy and puts the blame wholly on the “fucking coon”, you will reserve judgement.

    BTW: Zimmerman is clearly heard saying the words, “fucking coon” on the 911 recording. But that is just in case you are wondering why I’ve brought it up a couple of times now.

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says:

    s in how come this is a national issue over a month after it happened?

    Jesus Fucking Christ, The police didn’t bother to conduct a proper investigation on this. From the get-go, they listed Trayvon Martin as “the subject”, which would indicate that he wasn’t a victim, but a “suspect”. While they took all sorts of tests on Trayvon Martin’s body to see if maybe he was on drugs, they didn’t bother to check George Zimmerman’s sobriety or even question his story of it being “self defense”. They refused to talk to actual witnesses, and any news the local media would have received was filtered through the police department.

    Draven32 says:

    Innocent little 17 year old kid minding your own business walking home in the rain carrying milk and cookies for grandma who just happens to wander into a gated community on his way home.

    Wander into? His father lives in that gated community. To enter, Trayvon used the key card he had on his person. Of course you would have known that if you had only been paying attention to the facts of the case.

    Let me make this a little clearer for those of you who are thinking impaired.

    Trayvon had legitimate business where he was. He was NOT trespassing. He was on a public street. He had NOT committed any crimes. He was only “suspicious” to someone who saw him a a “fucking coon” and called 911 to report a “suspicious person” based solely on the fact that he was black and didn’t belong.

    Trayvon Martin did not confront George Zimmerman, George Zimmerman confronted Trayvon Martin. That much is more than clear on EVERY 911 account. Zimmerman cannot make a “self defense” claim if he was told NOT to go out of his way to follow Trayvon Martin.

    I’m sorry, but this time the “fucking coon” is in the right here, and unfortunately, he lost his life because of it. There is no amount of back filling any of you can do to make this turn out any differently. Zimmerman was in the wrong on this one.

    Now whether he is LEGALLY in jeopardy is a different story. The insane “stand your ground” law seems to allow for the complete and utter murder of another human being simply by giving a “self defense” claim — even if Zimmerman caused the confrontation. I know that the authors of the bill say that this wasn’t what the bill was intended to cover, but this is what most experts feared would happen.

    I don’t really see this as a racial thing — although I suspect that race had a HUGE part to play in it, but I do see it as a glaring problem with the law itself, where you can literally commit a murder and get away with it if there is are no actual eyewitnesses to say that it wasn’t “self defense”.
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    Mike M growls and barks:

    Judge for yourself what Zimmerman says. Scroll down to the second clip and listen at about the 2:22 mark. I’ve listened to it over and over and I’m not sure what he’s saying, but it doesn’t sound like “fucking coons”. It sounds more like “fucking punks” to me.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Jesus Fucking Christ, The police didn’t bother to conduct a proper investigation on this. From the get-go, they listed Trayvon Martin as “the subject”, which would indicate that he wasn’t a victim, but a “suspect”. While they took all sorts of tests on Trayvon Martin’s body to see if maybe he was on drugs, they didn’t bother to check George Zimmerman’s sobriety or even question his story of it being “self defense”. They refused to talk to actual witnesses, and any news the local media would have received was filtered through the police department.

    so we leave the verdict in the hands of thiefs and hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson and Farrakhan and the media…..

    yeah right, I’m good with that.

  19. 19
    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    My guess is they were both fuck nozzles. I’m not in any way comfortable with how Zimmerman handled this confrontation. Even the Pro Zimmerman news that has come out……. none of it has even hinted that he was protecting anything or anyone. My bet is he’s compensating for a little pecker and just had to be the big man with his pistol.

    Martin was most likely a thug, He also could have ended the situation by laughing off the insult and letting the police deal with the it.

    At the end of the day, just going on what I’ve heard, I think what Zimmerman did was wrong. Maybe not illegal, but wrong. And I’ve always believed that if you make use of a CCW you have an obligation to do things the right way, to be better than the next guy. He failed at that.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Oh, Bother. I posted this on the 52% thread. About the Ethiopian in the fuel supply (hat tip to the late, great W.C. Fields).

    Here we go again: This is a National Review article by the peerless Heather Mac Donald. With some unvarnished statistics on the Pet Race’s CRIME RATE. She wrote this after that asshole “professor” Gates was arrested in Cambridge, Mass., and was screaming “police brutality,” while his butt-buddy Hussein Obama trash-mouthed the police.

    Black Crime Rates

    The ACLU and other anti-police activists have alleged for years that blacks are the victims of disproportionate and unjustified traffic stops, a charge that has become received wisdom among large swathes of the population. It happens to be contradicted by drivers themselves.

    The Bureau of Justice Statistics regularly polls tens of thousands of civilians about their contacts with the police. Virtually identical proportions of white, black, and Hispanic drivers — 9 percent — report being stopped by the police, though in 2005, the self-reported black stop rate — 8.1 percent — was nearly a percentage point lower than the self-reported white stop rate (8.9 percent). The stop rate for blacks is lower during the day, when officers can more readily see a driver’s race.

    As for urban policing — where the police have victim identifications and contextual and behavioral cues to work with — blacks are stopped more, but only in comparison with their proportion of the entire population. Measured against their crime rate, they are under-stopped.

    New York City is perfectly typical of the black police-stop and crime rates. In the first three months of 2009, 52 percent of all people stopped for questioning by the police in New York City were black, though blacks are just 24 percent of the population. But according to the victims of and witnesses to crime, blacks commit about 68 percent of all violent crime in the city.

    Blacks commit 82 percent of all shootings and 72 percent of all robberies, whereas whites, who make up 35 percent of the city’s population, commit about 5 percent of all violent crimes, 1 percent of shootings, and about 4 percent of robberies.

    These figures are not police-generated; they come from the overwhelmingly minority victims of crime in their reports to the police. Such crime reports mean that when the police respond to community demands for protection against crime, information-based police deployment will send officers to minority neighborhoods where crime is highest. When the police respond to a call about a shooting, they will almost never be told that the shooter was white, and thus will not be searching for a white suspect.

    National crime patterns are the same. Black males between the ages of 18 and 24 commit homicide at ten times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. Such vastly disproportionate crime rates must lead, if the police are going after crime in a color-blind fashion, to disproportionate stop and arrest rates. To criticize the police for crime-determined enforcement activity is to blame the messenger.

    . . . Attorney General Eric Holder enthusiastically participated in the reign of unjustified federal consent decrees that the Justice Department slapped on police departments during the Clinton administration. Worrisomely, Obama gestures towards those days when he says that “we’re working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we’re eliminating potential bias,” as if Justice Department lawyers know a thing about “policing techniques.”

    Obama’s prime-time recycling of advocate-generated myths about policing will only make inner-city neighborhoods more dangerous for their many law-abiding residents. No one benefits more from proactive policing than the poor, who have as much of a right to public safety as Cambridge residents. Officer Crowley was only doing his job, without any manifestation of racial bias. Now, if an officer investigates a 911 call in good faith, who knows if the president will say he acted “stupidly?” Why bother putting your reputation on the line? The blow to police morale from Obama’s gratuitous remarks is enormous.

    Worse, Obama has only increased the racial paranoia that Gates put so vividly on display. Officers of all races say that the first thing out of a black driver’s mouth during a traffic stop for speeding or running a red light is often: “You only stopped me because I’m black,” a reaction ginned up by decades of anti-cop agitating and now bolstered by Obama’s recycled fictions. The advocate-fueled resentment of the police in inner-city neighborhoods makes crime fighting more difficult and more dangerous.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTU4MGE4MDkwYzhiYjY4OTk2OWRlZjcyMWY0MjFkNmE=&w=MA==

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    The Leftwads have just seized on this Hispanic-on-black shooting, tried to turn it into a WHITE on black shooting, to gin up some good old fashioned race riots.

    Way to go, assholes.

  22. 22
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    At Ace’s Place:

    This isn’t even a little funny. I had to go to two malls today in the DC metro. There is some serious tension. All the blacks have hoodies on with the hood up. I’m making my teenagers stay in.

    Thanks Obama. Nothing like “post racial”

    And a big “Hoodie March” in Philadelphia has been reported, with the thugs on the march.

  23. 23
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    A working link for the “child” Trayvon Martin’s photo: http://tinyurl.com/7lgjgbg

    Not commenting on who’s guilty UNTIL THE FACTS ARE IN.

    But the propaganda stinks.

  24. 24
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    DJ ƒµ¢%|?Ç Allyn howled:

    I’m sorry, but this time the “fucking coon” is in the right here, and unfortunately, he lost his life because of it.

    So he died because he was “in the right,” not because he was shot… :em03:

    The insane “stand your ground” law seems to allow for the complete and utter murder of another human being simply by giving a “self defense” claim — even if Zimmerman caused the confrontation.

    Bull$#|+! The mediots do want you to think so, of course–but, as you mentioned, Z-man wasn’t supposed to be following Hoodie & did anyway. The lamestreamers don’t care, since they want to hang the law.

  25. 25
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    PS–If Z-man’s a white Hispanic, let’s hear no more of “Hispanic” as a non-/anti-white racial category. It’s a cultural designation & doesn’t make you a Méti!

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    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    This shit is just out of hands in BOTH directions now. Maybe they do need to just take Mr. Zimmerman out and shoot him and be done with it all.

    There was a short time I thought Treyvon was wandering through a gated community where he had no business, but it appears that his father lived there. So, that is out the window. Two witnesses say they heard a “young voice” crying out and no sounds of a fight. Well, can you necessarily HEAR a struggle within earshot of someone “crying out?” And how can you be sure that it is a young voice? I have heard grown men scream like 12y.o. girls.

    Martin is certainly no innocent flower. Possibly a racist and certainly an asshole.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    With the pork-eating son-of-a-whore Muhammad putting a $10K bounty on ZImmerman, and that asshole Spike Lee tweeting his address, I don’t give this guy much chance of making it to his next birthday. I doubt Obama will be making any phone calls when that happens.

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    So now we have the 6′ 2″ guy down to only 140 pounds soaking wet. Tallulah’s photo doesn’t make him look that scrawny. And the other guy at 6′ 1″and 250 pounds? What source for that?, I cannot tell about Zimmerman’s height from the circulating photo, b;ut he sure doesn’t look big enough for 250 pounds. More lying shit.

    Perhaps Zimmerman ought to have had the foesight to let himself be beaen into a coma and his pistol stolen in order to avoid disconveniencing anyone else. Or maybe he could have left his pistol at home and be beaten to deaty while unarmed. What would you do?

    Problem is, some of the sheep are getting uppity and fighting back against the wolves.

    Maybe the current maladministration could solve this whole problem with some mental rearranging. They have already introduced the concept of the post-partum abortion pregnancy termination. So why not jsut classify this incident as a 54th trimester termination?

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    Just made a trip around the blogs this morning, and this shit is getting out of hand. I completely expect further violence at this point, and will be surprised if it does not materialize.

    Either way, the Party of Stoopid would do well to find a way to tell Hispanic and Latin American voters that President Foodstamp just threw them under the bus in order to placate an angry and militant minority of ‘his people’, and that any illusions they held about his sympathy to them should vanish.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    It seems to me that given the level of rhetoric and tactics being used (wanted posters by the NBPP, Farrahkhan and his “will be retaliation”, the suspects address being twittered, black youths having hoodie parades) that violence is a reasonably predicted outcome. It is also reasonable to think that a Leader who has the best interest of all of his citizens would perceive what is occurring and that violence is a very real potential, and take the appropriate steps to influence the environment by calling for calm. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

    Why is the media displaying photos of the deceased when he was 11 and 12? Why not current photo’s? Why is the media portraying the suspect as a “white” hispanic? Why is there a implication that white on black crime is a huge problem when in fact it is a fraction compared to black on white crime?
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    You do realize that there are WHITE kids posing the same exact way, don’t you? It’s a style, a culture. I am sure your parents thought that some of your generation’s goofiness was a sign that the world was going to hell in a hand basket also.

    I think you are being purposely naive. And its a “cultural” statement? And what would that statement be? What is the GANG culture? And what happens to those that “front” or “wannabe” in the gang “culture”? We are talking a expression in a social media that is directed to peers (friends). In the black community one does not “front” that they are gang related, its generally not tolerated by the gang when some “punk ass bitch” fronts. And you know this, or at least should.

    What I wanna know is how is this guy going to get a fair trial now that this incident is being shouted from the rooftops?

    Nothing good will come from this

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    “The first red flag to pop up is that Al Sharpton is involved. That automatically raises the credibility question. This could be Tawana Brawley II.”

    The witnesses account is hard to find in the reporting of this story which shows that the many in the media want to continue this as a race and gun law story.

    Let the process play out and we might find out then, MIGHT, just what the facts are.
    Now all we read and hear from many is that a white vigilante with a gun and a law at his back shot and killed a young black boy.

    Why has the press not looked into the law, how many times it has been invoked, how many were found to be just shootings, how many used it that were in the wrong etc? Instead they just want it repealed.

    Obama acted stupidly! Again! As is his standard operating procedure. remember Harvard?

    Even WORSE and more to date, Duke lacrosse players. $harpton was 100% wrong then and what happens to him for it? He gets an anchor job on MSNBC-DNC-GLBT to spread his hate nationally every night.
    Even the Arab Spring he so adored and supported. Now his SoS will go around congress as is his habit to give the Muslim Brotherhood billions of our tax dollars, funding THE ENEMY of America and funding his friends.

    My big issue with the President is his unneeded RACIAL comment about his boy looking like Martin. There was absolutely zero need for that racist comment. None at all. the rest of his comment would have sufficed if any comment at all was warranted. Race had no place in it. It only shows how deeply ingrained race is in his mind. That to me makes one a racist. He shows daily that he is not the President of the US but President of his own.

    And where IS Holder on “his people” putting a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman dead or alive and saying publicly, “he should be fearful for his life”?

    Have the NBPP been given a Get out of Jail Card Free by this Holder JustUS Dept?

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #:
    Der Reichsministry of Injustice under Holder will never prosecute a crime committed by the NBPP or any affiliates thereto.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Mike M says:

    Judge for yourself what Zimmerman says. Scroll down to the second clip and listen at about the 2:22 mark. I’ve listened to it over and over and I’m not sure what he’s saying, but it doesn’t sound like “fucking coons”. It sounds more like “fucking punks” to me.

    Okay. After a morning of listening to the audio myself, HERE IS MY CONCLUSION.

    I am going to give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt here, and retract the claim that he said “fucking coon”. I can’t say positively that he didn’t, because I can hear it both ways. I could also stretch or compress the sound in such a way that he could be reciting the Gettysburg Address or simply clearing his through if I wanted to.

    Punk/coon it still goes to his attitude about this kid. He didn’t like the way Trayvon Martin looked.

    Zimmerman didn’t call the police to say that he saw the kid violate the law, he said that he saw someone “suspicious”, possibly “high on drugs”. So he fulfilled his self-appointed “duty” and phoned in his suspicions and that is where it should have ended.

    Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says:

    so we leave the verdict in the hands of thiefs and hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson and Farrakhan and the media…..

    Jay, they want an investigation, not a white-wash that the Sanford cops did. I am not a fan of Sharpton et al either, but they HAVE managed to get this case the attention that it needed.

    You and I both know that if this had been a white kid shot by a black man, they would have tossed the black guy in jail just because, and THEN investigated him all ways from Sunday. They would have drug tested the shooter, and they wouldn’t have just taken his word that this was “self defense”. They would have determined that the shooter initiated the conflict, therefore making it impossible to claim self defense. You cannot start a fight, then because you are losing, turn around and claim “self defense”.

    But because George is “white Hispanic”, (and before someone calls me on that, I suggest you look it up) and the kid is black, Trayvon became “the subject” and not “the victim”, even though Trayvon was NEVER found to have violated any law, and was exactly where he was supposed to be, within yards of his father’s house.

    For some reason, you want to lose sight of that.

    The Black Panthers? Sharpton? Jackson? What the hell do you expect? The Sanford police were content with just letting the death of a innocent kid just go down as being basically unimportant. Just accept the word of the shooter and move on, nothing to see here. It’s just another black kid. Shouldn’t have been wearing a hoodie.

    Tallulah says:

    A working link for the “child” Trayvon Martin’s photo: http://tinyurl.com/7lgjgbg

    Not commenting on who’s guilty UNTIL THE FACTS ARE IN.

    But the propaganda stinks.

    But you ARE commenting on it. As far as that photo? He’s a KID. He acted like a KID. Look at the rest of his FB page — he is friends with KIDS. For all intents and purposes — he WAS a “child”.

    LC Xystus says:

    Bull$#|+! The mediots do want you to think so, of course–but, as you mentioned, Z-man wasn’t supposed to be following Hoodie & did anyway. The lamestreamers don’t care, since they want to hang the law.

    The law is part of the problem. It will be the defense that Zimmerman will use IF he is charged criminally. The law, as written, allows for absurdity. Even Jeb Bush has come out to say that the Zimmerman shooting wasn’t the intent for the law.

    Does this mean the law should be thrown out? I don’t think so. But I DO think that it should be fine tuned so that it doesn’t allow for an absurd outcome such as this.

    An honest person can easily see that you cannot start a confrontation and then make a self defense claim if things start to go badly for you — and that is exactly what happened here. Even if you ignore ALL of the other 911 calls, the girl friend’s phone conversation, and the other eyewitnesses, and just go with the first official 911 call, it is clear that Zimmerman went out of his way to start a confrontation. You cannot get around that simple fact. Nor can you get around the other fact that the kid wasn’t doing anything wrong. This is ALL on George Zimmerman.

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    It seems to me that given the level of rhetoric and tactics being used (wanted posters by the NBPP,

    I agree, the NBPP needs to just shut the fuck up and crawl back under its rock. But then, it isn’t as if the way this case was initially handled didn’t play right into their agenda.

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    I think you are being purposely naive.

    Really? I am living in a Wonderbread neighborhood right now and we have white gansta’s all over the place here. Over half the stuff I work on is Hip Hop stuff, and a lot of it is white kids.

    LC Gladiator says:

    Obama acted stupidly! Again! As is his standard operating procedure. remember Harvard?

    He did? Really? By what, expressing the fact that an innocent kid who was doing nothing wrong was gunned down for no apparent reason other than some fucknozzle’s suspicious mind told him the kid was up to no good?

    LC Gladiator says:

    My big issue with the President is his unneeded RACIAL comment about his boy looking like Martin.

    That was “racial”? I think that almost anyone could easily see that if Obama had a son of that age, that the kid would look pretty much like Trayvon, instead of say, Justin Bieber. Obama was identifying with the parents of this kid, and you somehow see this as being a “racial comment”? Wow.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Yer Majestyness, how about a Wanted Dead or Alive … preferably Dead poster for any and all members of the New Black Panther Party, starting with Mikhail Muhammed? You could use Mikey’s mugshots, after all such are public record.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    LC Ogrrre

    Good idea.

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    0007 growls and barks:

    And I suppose that part of that sloppy police work was the part where they said poor little Trayvon was six foot and 160 pounds, ehh, DJ?

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Was Trayvon Martin a drug dealer? He certainly was no angel.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    0007 says:

    And I suppose that part of that sloppy police work was the part where they said poor little Trayvon was six foot and 160 pounds, ehh, DJ?

    From everything I’ve read, he was 6’2″ and 140 lbs. In other words a pencil neck.

    LC Gunsniper says:

    Was Trayvon Martin a drug dealer? He certainly was no angel.

    Jesus Fucking Christ in the Ass! Was he also a homosexual terrorist fembot too? Virtually everyone who knew him, from teachers to his friends say he was a “good kid”.

    Did you somehow MISS the fucking part where NOTHING he was doing was against the law? But for some reason, your tiny little mind has this kid pegged as some sort of thug — or in your tiny world, a “dope dealer” now — because you can’t stand the fact that George Zimmerman killed this guy for absolutely nothing.

    (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here that this isn’t a racially motivated thing, but you can see how easily THAT case can be made.)

    From every account (save those who never laid eyes on him) the kid was a good kid and had never been in any serious trouble..
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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Was he also a homosexual terrorist fembot too?

    An episode like that just might have saved that reboot of “The Bionic Woman”.

    Virtually everyone who knew him, from teachers to his friends say he was a “good kid”.

    Cherry picked by a biased media that has the narrative with which they want to run. Same as they cherry picked photos that would make Zimmerman look like a monster and Trayvon look like a boy scout.

    But for some reason, your tiny little mind has this kid pegged as some sort of thug

    Actually it’s the whole beating the shit out of Zimmerman thing that says thug to me. Weird, I know.

    (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here that this isn’t a racially motivated thing, but you can see how easily THAT case can be made.)

    Thank you, that’s mighty white of you. ;)

    BTW Deej, I posted that link as a reminder to all that there’s a long way to go investigation-wise before anyone gets fitted for a noose or angel wings. I’m waiting for the facts and details to come out before I decide whether or not Zimmerman needs to vacation for a few dozen years in the pen (or even under it). Kinda like the Duke rape case that was supposed to be a dead cert until the facts came out and spoiled the party for the left. It’s a pity your tiny little mind can’t do likewise.

    It’ll be even worse if Al Sharktongue and the Thug Panthers get their way with that criminal act of placing a bounty on Zimmerman. Of course they don’t have to worry since Eric Holder won’t prosecute “his people”. I hope you can keep some of that self-righteous indignation stored up should that event come to pass.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    From everything I’ve read, he was 6’2? and 140 lbs. In other words a pencil neck.

    Tell that to Dominick Cruz.

    Anyone of those guys on that page could peel Zimmerman (and most anyone else) like a banana.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gunsniper says:

    Tell that to Dominick Cruz.

    Suddenly, Trayvon Martin has the training of a UFC fighter? Do you even hear yourself think here? The kid was a fucking junior in high school for fuck’s sake!

    LC Gunsniper says:

    Cherry picked by a biased media that has the narrative with which they want to run. Same as they cherry picked photos that would make Zimmerman look like a monster and Trayvon look like a boy scout.

    Cherry picked by virtually EVERY fucking media source you could think of? Yet the only sources you CHOOSE to believe are the off-the-fucking wall sources. Good choice, and only goes towards YOUR particular mindset.

    LC Gunsniper says:

    Actually it’s the whole beating the shit out of Zimmerman thing that says thug to me. Weird, I know.

    Again, for the mentally challenged, Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew. Funny that, being a fat fuck that weighed in at 250 pounds. He chose to confront a guy with the false bravado of a hero with a gun. He got his ass handed to him and he chose to shoot his way out?

    If I had been Trayvon, I would have tried to punch the fuck out of him also. Zimmerman took the coward’s way out and shot the kid in cold blood.

    Get over it. There is NO FUCKING SCENARIO WHERE ZIMMERMAN COMES OUT IN THE RIGHT AND YOU KNOW IT.

    Zimmerman is toast, and rightfully so. Come to grips with it.
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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    The Allynator decreed:

    There is NO FUCKING SCENARIO WHERE ZIMMERMAN COMES OUT IN THE RIGHT AND YOU KNOW IT.

    Volume, volume, volume! (You all are wrong, Doggies, & Private Pup knows you know it.)

    Come to grips with it.

    This being the A-IR, the next question will likely be “Where would you like to be gripped?” or some such. :em03:

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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    Did Zimmerman have a right to go out of his way to follow and stop the kid?

    No he didn’t.

    Of course he did. As does every other person in the world. So did the kid have the right to stop and question Zimmerman. Which he may have done, since we weren’t there to see.

    I have to agree with DJ for the most part, here. It is clear to me that Zimmerman took an unnecessary risk in approaching someone he suspected to be engaged in criminal activity. He had already called for the police, and had been told they were on the way. The prudent thing to do was to continue following, in the event that the suspected criminal activities manifested, or the suspect entered a house, either of which should have then been reported to the responding patrol. Furthermore, had the suspect engaged in a crime inflicting grievous bodily harm on a victim, Zimmerman would have been entirely within his rights to intervene. Either way, Zimmerman got close enough to either confront or be confronted by Martin.

    Once the contact was initiated, either party could have avoided violence easily by not offering violence. It is entirely possible to be offended to the point of white-faced, trembling fury without lifting a finger to harm one’s antagonist. I daresay that such restraint is the only thing keeping our president alive. My point is that, at the time of the confrontation, both parties engaged in activity that resulted in a physical altercation. And Zimmerman didn’t bring Skittles to a gunfight.

    Also, I very much doubt that Trayvon Martin considered himself

    a KID. He acted like a KID. Look at the rest of his FB page — he is friends with KIDS. For all intents and purposes — he WAS a “child”.

    I place responsibility for initiating the incident squarely on Zimmerman. After contact, none of us have enough information to say.

    But what do I know, I was just a cop for twenty-two years, and that makes me Special

    Ed

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Suddenly, Trayvon Martin has the training of a UFC fighter? Do you even hear yourself think here? The kid was a fucking junior in high school for fuck’s sake!

    No, he has the training and conditioning of a football player which handily trumps an out of shape obese man. Go ahead and pretend you didn’t know why I linked to Dominick Cruz if it’s cutting into your self-righteousness buzz.

    Cherry picked by virtually EVERY fucking media source you could think of? Yet the only sources you CHOOSE to believe are the off-the-fucking wall sources. Good choice, and only goes towards YOUR particular mindset.

    Like I said earlier, which you obviously ignored, I haven’t made any conclusions as to whose guilty or not. Now you want to attack some phantom mindset of your conjuring and project it on me because I won’t join the “hang the honky” lynch mob? Tsk Tsk.

    Again, for the mentally challenged, Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew. Funny that, being a fat fuck that weighed in at 250 pounds. He chose to confront a guy with the false bravado of a hero with a gun. He got his ass handed to him and he chose to shoot his way out?

    If I had been Trayvon, I would have tried to punch the fuck out of him also. Zimmerman took the coward’s way out and shot the kid in cold blood.

    Get over it. There is NO FUCKING SCENARIO WHERE ZIMMERMAN COMES OUT IN THE RIGHT AND YOU KNOW IT.

    Zimmerman is toast, and rightfully so. Come to grips with it.

    He may very well be guilty and if so should be making license plates until we establish colonies on Jupiter’s moons. Unlike you and the rest of the orcish horde I want to put the gavel before the noose. Then again, I’m not high on my own rage and ego.

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    So, “Dead or Alive” posters with monetary rewards from known aggitators are not incitement.
    “Due Process” is an annoying impediment to “Justice”.
    A Witness is someone full ‘a brimstone headin’ for the podium..
    “Stand your ground” laws are a license to commit murder.

    ‘Learnin’ allll kinds’a bizarre stuff from these guys.
    None of it good.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Is it “racist” to say that my senses are heightened when I’m driving through Huntsville, and a couple of black guys are standing on the streetcorner, as I’m stopped for a traffic light, and they’re staring at me? When you consider that, STATISTICALLY, the odds that a white person being the victim of an attack by a black person is way higher is way higher. Perhaps that’s why we hear about cases like this…because they’re so fucking RARE. Black gangsters pull a couple of British tourists out of their car, kill them, and then brag about it? Ho-hum, another news day, what’s new?

    White people are probably a bit more paranoid around blacks. Prevailing theory is it’s because they’re racist. Maybe a more realistic view is that they realize they’re more likely to be attacked by them than if they are around a bunch of other white people.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    According to the police, when they picked up Zimmerman, he was bleeding from the front and back of his head, and had grass stains all over his back.

    According to the witness, -Martin- was on top of Zimmerman, pinning him to the ground, trying to pound his head into the dirt. This puts Zimmerman in the position of being unable to retreat. Which means that even in a state with no castle doctrine, and no ‘make my day’ laws, he’s still in the right. You cannot expect to be allowed to corner someone, and beat the shit out of them without allowing to legally defend themselves.

    Now, if Martin didn’t pin Zimmerman to the ground, and Zimmerman -could- have retreated, but chose not to, I’d be of a different frame of mind.

    And before you start, it’s not against the law to follow someone in a public area. Zimmerman could have called him every name in the book, and Martin would still have no legal justification to attack Zimmerman.

    I’m not going get into coulda–woulda-shoulda. Assuming the facts we have are true, Zimmerman and Martin engaged in an altercation. Martin escalated to the use of lethal force by pinning Zimmerman to the ground, preventing his escape.

    Zimmerman fired a -single- shot. The pistol was recovered with the expended shell still in the chamber, which indicates that something prevented the slide from cycling. This is normally consistant with two people struggling over a pistol.

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    LC Draco growls and barks:

    I have avoided commenting for the most part on this case. However, there are TWO issues that piqued my interest.

    1) Just because a police dispatcher says something to the affect of “We do not need you to do that..(follow him)”, has NO legal ramifications. It is a suggestion and not a lawful order.

    2) The only thing that really matters at this point is what is presented to the Grand Jury. Does not matter if Zimmerman was 7 foot 9 inches and Trayvon was 3 foot 2 inches…or who attacked whom…or if the hoodie is an issue (bullshit IMO), but where gang/druggie clothes, get profiled!! (AND NO….I am not saying this is what happened.) However, having worked with several LEOs, it is known that hoodies are worn to keep surveillance cameras from getting a good facial pic. Like it or not, it’s reality.

    And finally…(I know I said TWO) if anyone wants to take a bounty out on Zimmerman, be careful. Once that Pandora’s box is open, the feces will hit the rotary devices!!
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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    All this crap about whether Trayvon Martin was a credible physical threat needs to be dropped. My son is almost the exact same size as he was (to the inch, and within 5 pounds), and you would not want to fuck with him. Enough about that.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Virtually everyone who knew him, from teachers to his friends say he was a “good kid”.

    Which is why, if some reports are accurate, he’d been in trouble with the law previously, and was suspended from school for two weeks at the time of the incident. Might also be why his FB page has him flashing gang signs, and wearing his pants “gangsta” style.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    …and his nickname was “Traybanger”.

    Why isn’t any of THIS on the news?

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    Let the investigation be done, and let those who’ve put up bounties be held legally responsible should anybody be harmed in their action. :em08: Let the law run it’s course!
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Might also be why his FB page has him flashing gang signs, and wearing his pants “gangsta” style.

    Hey, did you know where that “sagging” came from? It came from prison, to show how available your ass was for favors.
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    AyUaxe growls and barks:

    DeeJ, you should read the initial local news reports before jumping to your usual, baiting conclusions: the witness who corroborates Zimmerman’s account was one of the first people interviewed by police and media and was the person who initiated (though I think his sister made the call) the 911 call. Another neighbor who has also remained anonymous initially gave an account that suggested that the “subject” was the one screaming for help, but later, I believe, gave a statement clarifying that it was Zimmerman. This is a tragic, unnecessary turn of events for both families, fueled in large part by the cold, hard facts, as quoted by Tallulah (20) and race baiting indoctrination of AAs by asshats like Sharpton and <0bama. Zimmerman may not have handled his encounter with Martin perfectly, but he didn't deserve to be beaten and put in fear of death or grave bodily harm–the definition of justification for use of deadly force. If anyone who reads this were in the same position as Zimmerman, whether by mistake, by momentary overreaction, or by virtue of having encountered someone without reasonable self-control, you, and DeeJ particularly, would likely have done the same thing to save your own life and would be justified in doing so.

    While it may not have been appropriate or polite for Zimmerman to follow or speak at all to Martin under the circumstances, such encounters occur between cops and citizens everyday and often between neighbors and people they don't know in their neighborhoods. I've asked unknown people on my street many times if I could help them or were they looking for someone/something. It's part wariness and part neighborliness. Usually, the people appreciate help finding an address for a delivery or they respond sheepishly and move on. If I was trash-talked for it, I don't know that I would automatically back down. If the f'er decided to break my nose, I'd probably try to make sure he didn't do any more damage, by whatever most effective means were at my disposal, including tools provided by the awesome mind of John Browning.

    Now, fundamentally, this is just a minor, though tragic local incident. But <0bama has taken this opportunity, again, to reiterate his fundamentally racist drum beat: It matters more to this president that people "look like him" or "don't look like him" than it has since before 1861, at least, and maybe ever. Did he say something about how polite people should be to one another or that kids should be more closely supervised, so maybe they wouldn't be suspended from school, like Martin apparently was, or be out alone at night exposed to all kinds of dangers? No, he focused on milk-chocolate color. If there is further racial violence, this will be why. Not because of lynchings 200 or even 50 years ago. Not because of separate waterfountains, hotels, restaurants and schools. Trayvon Martin and probably his parents and maybe his grandparents have lived their entire lives in a society in which the most powerful demographic have willingly given up their unequal power and given immense special benefits to AAs and others, because they collectively felt it was the right thing to do. Taking the benefits given, then turning around and continuing to whine and attack based on race shows that equality, economic and social health and prosperity can't be "given;" they must be earned. Zimmerman and his family, as far as we can tell, earned their place and continued to work to try to make their community a better, safer place, for everyone, regardless of race. Martin, on the other hand, apparently felt that all that was given him was just an indication that those doing the giving were weak and could be further "taken." Obviously, I could be wrong in that analysis–the facts certainly aren't all in on this one, but this view has more in common with objective reality than the fever dreams being conjured up by the hoodie-heads.

    One last point–I'm pretty sure it's a federal crime to solicit murder and kidnapping for hire–so where's the DOJ on this bald criminality by the Black Panthers? Crickets chirping.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician @ #:
    Back in the early sixties, when I was in deep with the surfing culture in Hawaii and California, we would wear our “jams” under our jeans. The jeans would often sag, showing the colorful jams underneath. That’s one way we would self-identify as surfers, although I wouldn’t have explained it in sociological terms fifty years ago…

    And the ghetto style of one pants leg rolled up and one rolled down…in prison it means you go both ways. I still get a kick out of seeing these young idiots…white AND black…sporting this look.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gunsniper says:

    No, he has the training and conditioning of a football player which handily trumps an out of shape obese man. Go ahead and pretend you didn’t know why I linked to Dominick Cruz if it’s cutting into your self-righteousness buzz.

    No, you make the assumption that Trayvon Martin was a bad ass — a fighter. Virtually everyone who knew him, from his parents and teachers to his friends, say just the opposite — that he was low-keyed and never got into fights.

    Of course, if he is being stalked by an older guy who is almost twice his size who could be out to rob him or molest him, it would kinda put him on edge a bit, and once cornered (and from the description from his girl friend, apparently shoved, all that was left for Trayvon to do was deck the guy.

    After all, does this “stand your ground” only apply to the guy with the gun?

    LC Gunsniper says:

    Like I said earlier, which you obviously ignored, I haven’t made any conclusions as to whose guilty or not. Now you want to attack some phantom mindset of your conjuring and project it on me because I won’t join the “hang the honky” lynch mob? Tsk Tsk.

    Stop it, you are making me laugh. You and others here are trying to look for ANY way to make this the black kid’s fault. Not necessarily because he was black (although some of you ONLY consider that factor), but because you think this is an attack on the LAW that allowed it. THAT is the real motivation for trying to defend the indefensible here. Now I won’t speculate which camp you are in here, either one is bad enough if you are willing to suspend common sense to reach a conclusion.

    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    So, “Dead or Alive” posters with monetary rewards from known aggitators are not incitement.

    I think that MOST people — including Trayvon’s parents, Sharpton, et al don’t find the Black Panther’s helpful at all in any of this. Sharpton came out yesterday and said exactly that. The intent of MOST people raising noise here is for due process. They want a COURT to decide innocence or guilt, NOT the Sanford Police Department.

    Because of the Stand Your Ground Law in Florida, the Sanford Police Department is allowed to make the determination on the spot that self defense made the shooting justified and not refer the case for prosecution. By making that determination, they didn’t collect evidence and refused to talk to any of the other witnesses to the shooting.

    The parents, after two weeks of waiting only to find out that this case was being treated as a “self defense” case, reached out looking for national help on this.

    They want justice, even if it means a court finding Zimmerman “not guilty”. That’s what almost everyone wants. Sure, there are going to be tiny groups of agitators such as the NBPP looking for a national issue to be relevant, The fact that nobody wants them involved won’t stop them. They are about as relevant to this as the Phelps Phamily of Phreaks are to the Baptist Church.

    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    “Stand your ground” laws are a license to commit murder.

    Intentionally? No. But they certainly can be used as a license.

    For example, what is to stop me from shooting you in the middle of the street with no witnesses, banging my head on a hard surface, and then claim that you shoved me down and that I shot you in self defense?

    Better yet, let’s use a version of THIS case. I see you in a parking lot. I don’t like the looks of you — maybe you stole my girl friend or slept with my wife sometime in the past. Or maybe I just want to get into a fight with you just because. So I come up to you, shove you, and you deck me. Now the fight is on — but I am quickly getting my ass beat. I pull out my gun and shoot you dead, then call the police and claim I shot you in self defense.

    Did I just get a license to murder you?

    The police come, they see that I am bleeding, so they buy my story that I was “defending myself” and close the case without bothering to do any more investigation. They don’t canvas for eye witnesses, they don’t search for other evidence such as maybe your cell phone that just happened to be still connected to your girl friend’s phone and who heard everything. They choose not to take your girl friend’s statement a few days later. They don’t bother to take and forensic evidence off of me, nor do they take my gun. They do not do any immediate followup interviews with the fourteen people who called 911 to get a more detailed description of what each of them saw.

    Why? Because the law makes it a slam dunk case for “self defense”. Once the cops determine that the Stand Your Ground law applies, then for them the case is closed.

    Look, I do NOT have a problem with a “stand your ground” law in principle. As a gun owner myself who sometimes conceals and other times visibly show, I want to know that should the unlikely need to come up that I am legally in the clear to protect myself by using the ultimate force.

    But I want the law to be written in such a way that doesn’t allow for absurd results. I don’t want it to be a means to pick a fight and use deadly force if a person ends up being on the losing end of things. Right now, the law doesn’t take any of that into consideration.

    The law was sold to people using the “Castle Doctrine”. Your home, your “castle”, and that you should be allowed to defend your castle against intrusion and/or danger. They extended the castle to your “zone”, to allow you to defend yourself anywhere. It also allowed for someone to defend someone else’s “castle” if a crime was being committed.

    All that’s fine, as long as there are safe guards to prevent abuse of the law. That means taking the determination back out of the hands of the police and putting it back into judicial review where it belongs.

    What should have happened in the Zimmerman shooting is that an actual homicide case be investigated. Trayvon Martin should have been treated as a “victim” and Zimmerman treated as the “subject”. The case should have been developed, evidence gathered not just from the victim, but from the shooter as well. Statements should have been taken and accepted, re-enactments of what happened should have been done. (the parents weren’t even officially spoken to until three days after the fact — and that was only to tell them the case was being treated as a self defense) Once the police had done their investigation, the whole shebang should have been turned over to the prosecutor to decide either on charges or to refer to the grand jury.

    But none of this was being done. For the police, the case was closed. the stand your ground law doesn’t require referral to the prosecutor, and given what little evidence the police bothered to collect, it wasn’t likely that it ever was going to be referred. The police got to rule the shooting “justified” and from there they expected that it would just go away. But they didn’t count on the parents making this a national story.

    Mark12A says:

    STATISTICALLY, the odds that a white person being the victim of an attack by a black person is way higher is way higher

    Really? Where did you pull that “statistic” from? Years ago, I lived in South Central Los Angeles, an area that used to be ripe with gang activity. Being white in that neighborhood was to be a small minority. The funny thing is, I was probably safer in those neighborhoods than any of the blacks who lived there. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t be a crime victim — I was once robbed by a white guy in a gas station in Bellingham, Washington.

    I think that if you act like a victim, you are probably going to be treated like one.

    Mark12A says:

    …and his nickname was “Traybanger”.

    Because YOU are the only one saying it?

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician says:

    Let the investigation be done, and let those who’ve put up bounties be held legally responsible should anybody be harmed in their action. Let the law run it’s course!

    I don’t think you will get ANY argument there. That is all the parents are after. They WANT there to be an investigation. They WANT closure.

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Which is why, if some reports are accurate, he’d been in trouble with the law previously, and was suspended from school for two weeks at the time of the incident. Might also be why his FB page has him flashing gang signs, and wearing his pants “gangsta” style.

    He was suspended for five days for having traces of marijuana in a baggie in his book bag. He never had a criminal record. He spent most of that time at his father’s house grounded, and the day he was shot was the first time he had been out of the house and allowed to even use his phone. So he was taking his time going back home while he talked to his girl friend on the phone. That “thing in his hand” that Zimmerman reported — that was a cell phone.

    How this is relevant to Trayvon being shot to death, I don’t know. Those FB “gang” signs? Kids of all colors and stripes are “flashing” “signs”. Perhaps you don’t know anything about the Hip – Hop culture of kids these days? For crying out loud, Justin Bieber flashes “gang signs”.

    The thing is, the signs the clothing, and even the music are very similar and are easily confused for one or the other. The false assumption being that if a person is black and / or if they refer to themselves or others as a “gangsta”, then they have to be part of a “gang”. But the thing is, most kids consider “hip-hop” as being part of a “gang” of culture. The clothes might look the same, the “signs” may be a gimmick, but while the untrained ear considers the music to SOUND the same, there is a distinct difference in subject matter.

    Most older white people hear “rap” and cannot tell the difference between whether it is “hip hop”, “Gagsta rap”, “hard core rap” or even “crunk” or “club”. To them, it all sounds the same, much like MY parents thought that any music after Frank Sinatra was just “noise” (and turn that crap down!)

    But Hip Hop is today’s kids rock n’ roll, and it crosses a lot of musical boundaries. Even some new country music has a little Hip Hop influences. But along with the music comes the styles, with some of those styles carried over from the gangster stuff.

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician says:

    Hey, did you know where that “sagging” came from? It came from prison, to show how available your ass was for favors.

    Close, but not quite.

    Jail clothing is color-coded usually for crime category or housing needs. For example, Red might designate a felon, and blue might designate a misdemeanor. There are also white, green, gold and orange. But the two main colors are the red and blue jail clothing.

    Why is this important? Because two of the main LA county gangs are the Crips and the Bloods. The Bloods wear red and the Crips wear blue. And they kill or try to kill people wearing the “wrong” colors.

    Going to jail doesn’t give you the choice of what color you are going to be designated, regardless of whether your particular gang might consider that color a fashion faux pas. If you are a Crip and your crime says you have to wear red, then you really don’t have a choice — you have to wear red.

    So, since the jail is going to require you to wear something that might get you killed, inmates started wearing the pants as if they were barely put on. That indicated that the person wearing the “wrong” color clothing was only doing so because they were forced to. It also didn’t help much that much of the jail clothing is worn out and over-sized for the people it is issued to.

    It started to become a status symbol for a “made” gangster to have been in jail. They started wearing over-sized pants on the outside.
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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Stop it, you are making me laugh. You and others here are trying to look for ANY way to make this the black kid’s fault. Not necessarily because he was black (although some of you ONLY consider that factor), but because you think this is an attack on the LAW that allowed it. THAT is the real motivation for trying to defend the indefensible here. Now I won’t speculate which camp you are in here, either one is bad enough if you are willing to suspend common sense to reach a conclusion.

    Fine then Deej. Bray like a jackass and bang away on your capslock to your hearts content. I’ve a good idea where your extra shrillness is coming from anyway.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Annnnnnnnd here we go. Mom is capitalizing on kid’s death. I expect her to show up on Oprah soon…bet there’s a movie in the works, too.

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    OK,, they’ve got two million signatures on a petition to have Zimmerman arrested.

    I’m sure we could come up with at least quintuple that for BS n’ a stadium full’a others…
    IF ARREST WARRANTS WERE EVER BASED ON PETITIONS!
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Cheap, if we got two millions signatures, you suppose we could get the Poseur-in-chief arrested?
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Annnnnnnnd here we go. Mom is capitalizing on kid’s death. I expect her to show up on Oprah soon…bet there’s a movie in the works, too.

    I think there is a VERY legitimate reason to do that. Perhaps she doesn’t want others, like say, the New Black Panther Party to capitalize on it? She’s trying keep control on her son’s name. I am sure her attorney put her up to it. It isn’t a novel thing to do that.

    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    OK,, they’ve got two million signatures on a petition to have Zimmerman arrested.

    Petitions are usually silly and unproductive. All they do is make people believe they belong to something big and important. As far as their sway in anything — not so much.

    Legally, petitions cannot be used as a decision to charge someone. But they CAN get someone to LOOK at the case. That has been the main issue all along — the Sanford Police didn’t do much of an investigation. They saw it as a slam dunk case — they had a witness who only saw the final minutes and nothing leading up to it, and they had a bleeding Zimmerman saying he was acting in self defense.

    They didn’t even know who Trayvon was until two days later, after his parents filed a missing person’s report. They didn’t know about the girl friend who heard the ENTIRE story from the very beginning, they didn’t even bother canvassing the area for evidence or other witnesses, and they didn’t even take crime forensics from the scene. They had Trayvon pegged as “the subject”, which means in their mind he pretty much got what he got.

    Like I said over at Nicki’s site, no matter how much you try to muddy up things here, the simple facts are as such:

    1. Trayvon Martin was minding his own business walking home to his father’s house while talking on the phone with his girl friend.

    2. George Zimmerman sees Trayvon Martin and considered him “suspicious” enough to call the police and report him.

    3. Trayvon notices George staring at him and decides to leave.

    4. George sees Trayvon “getting away” and starts to follow him.

    5. The dispatcher tells George that he doesn’t want George following Trayvon, and that he is to meet the patrol car at a certain place.

    6. George ignores the dispatcher and continues to follow.

    7. Trayvon is telling his girl friend this guy is following him and she tells him to “run” Trayvon says he is walking fast, and thinks that he “lost” the man.

    8. George catches up to Trayvon and corners him. Trayvon asks him why he is being followed. George demands to know why Trayvon is there and shoves him.

    9. Trayvon, acting in self defense decks George. George, being the pussy he is, finds that this 140 pound 6? 2? kid might actually beat him up so he shoots Trayvon in the chest, killing him.

    10. The police arrive and George acts like HE is the victim here, claiming “self defense”.

    The ONLY way this can turn out to be self defense for George is if the story started with number 9, and for no reason at all Trayvon hauls off and starts beating George up.

    That is the only part this “witness” has seen, and to him, it probably does look like George was attacked for no reason.

    But we know the story started a LOT earlier, and from the sounds of it, it was Trayvon who was being stalked and needed a “self defense” claim.

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    Grass stains on his back,, his nose was obviously busted by a Skittle though.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Sorry, but there’s no way that he’s a football player and only weighs 140 at 6-2. NO WAY. Also, you keep sticking to your narrative about what a good little boy he was…there’s more and more information coming out about him. Seems he’s not the “babe in the woods” that the left is making him out to be, after all.

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    Erbo growls and barks:

    Oh, and the little goblin’s mother has filed for trademarks on two slogans including his name. Because that’s what all mothers of “kids” that were shot in self-defense do, right?

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. And it sure as hell ain’t Danish blue cheese.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    Grass stains on his back,, his nose was obviously busted by a Skittle though.

    So Trayvon decked him. I would have too, having some man chasing me around like that. He “stood his ground”. He might have though Zimmerman was a pervert or there to rob him.

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Sorry, but there’s no way that he’s a football player and only weighs 140 at 6-2. NO WAY.

    And why not? He hadn’t played for three years. I know that you want to jump to the conclusion that he was playing ball in high school, but he wasn’t.:

    The son of divorced parents, he grew up in working-class neighborhoods north of Miami’s downtown. He and his father, a truck driver, were active in the Miramar Optimist Club, an organization that runs sports and academic programs for young people. Tracy Martin, the teen’s father, coached his son’s football team.

    The boy was a swift athlete, according to a friend, and played a range of positions up to about age 14. After he stopped playing, he remained active in the organization, volunteering six days a week from June through November of last year to help run the team’s concession stand.

    Martin cooked hamburgers, hot dogs and chicken wings alongside his father at the stand. He loved talking to the kids, asking them what position they played and whether they were good, Horton recalled. He would call the mothers “Ma’am,” and if they had a stroller or an item they needed help with, Martin stepped in.

    Erbo says:

    Oh, and the little goblin’s mother

    A classy one,, aren’t you?

    Erbo says:

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. And it sure as hell ain’t Danish blue cheese.

    It’s probably your upper lip. But who knows?
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Ach for G-d’s sakes!

    To return, however briefly (and I know I should be in bed but I can’t sleep right now), to my original point with this post, and I fully recognize that I haven’t been updating it as much as I ought, the whole dang problem here is not an issue of “who’s innocent and who’s not”, it’s that we DON’T. HAVE. ALL. THE. DETAILS.

    I don’t know that either of them was pure as the driven snow, but to listen to the Enemy Media and resident Blabbermouth Ogabe along with the usual race hustlers, they DO know. They know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Martin was a choir boy doing nothing wrong until he was accosted by an evil, racist, vigilante, trigger-happy Zimmerman.

    I wonder how they do know? I guess we needed a replacement for Miss Cleo sooner or later.

    Is there the odd white supremacist racist fucknozzle who might, somewhere in his private corner of the Internettubes, be utterly convinced that Zimmerman was a saint and that Martin was asking for it? I’m sure of it, but I don’t see them posting here and, if they were, they wouldn’t be posting here for very long. I also don’t see them backed up in their highly inflammatory, inciting blather by the entire Enemy Media along with resident Dumbfuck McJugears, the usual race hustlers etc.

    I like to stick with the facts. I’m funny that way.

    One fact that I should have updated with, mea culpa, is something I didn’t know initially, which is that dispatch specifically told Zimmerman to quit following Martin. At the time he’d reported the situation to the po-po he had done his duty as a good citizen, reporting what he saw. At the time he decided to ignore requests to cease and desist, he chose his own path. Not that that makes him guilty of murder, we still don’t have all the details of when the shit hit the fan, I can see a dozen scenarios where I’d have gone on anyway myself, such as a strange character moseying around in my own neighborhood where I wouldn’t feel comfortable just letting him out of sight to do what he might until law enforcement arrived, I’ve DONE it once when I found a guy wandering around the neighborhood after midnight on a weeknight, looking very intently at houses and I don’t feel the slightest bit remorseful about it, but that was when he made the first choice that picked one path over the other.

    But it was still a choice.

    I can also see Martin getting worried about a guy following him around and maybe confronting him about it. I probably would too. But the moment you choose to get in the face of a guy who’s following you rather than just going about your business since the only thing he’s doing is following you, you TOO make a choice. Again: I can see myself doing the same thing although, me being the risk-averse type of guy that I am, would probably have gone into Condition Orange instead and proceeded towards my destination while keeping a close eye on my follower, just in case things escalate.

    I would PARTICULARLY do so if, according to the “popular” narrative, I was a feeble, saintly-hearted choir boy being followed by a big, scary, bulky hulk of pure Evil Menace™. But just because Martin didn’t do so doesn’t mean that he was “wrong” not to. I could also easily see a younger, stupider version of myself going “tell it to my face.”

    But that’s where the wheels come off the wagon, no? Because nobody, nobody knows exactly how that particular bit went down. At that point confrontation was inevitable, yet we don’t know who “started it.” In a perfect world, each would have gone their separate ways but we don’t live in that world. When confrontation is initiated, nobody knows what’s going to happen. Did Zimmerman run a risk of confrontation when choosing to follow Martin? Yes. Did Martin run a risk of confrontation when turning around to face his follower? Yes. Neither act is illegal or wrong, but both lead towards confrontation.

    If I see somebody taking a shit on my lawn or digging up my sprinkler system or, for that matter, just walking on it, am I “responsible” for anything that happens if I tell him to leave even if I don’t ask him politely enough? Is he justified in jumping my arse and am I responsible for his death if I shoot him while he’s busy beating me into a pulp just because I didn’t choose to just go back inside and call the cops and go to bed?

    I don’t think so.

    Bottom line, for the umpteenth time: Nobody knows just exactly what made this escalate to the point where somebody died, but ONE side sure acts like they do.

    Oh, and as an aside: Filing for trademarks relating to your child’s death isn’t exactly the sign of a grieving mother. I’m sorry. But if one of my kids got killed, I wouldn’t be trying to secure the movie rights. Call me a cold bastard.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Mark12A says:

    STATISTICALLY, the odds that a white person being the victim of an attack by a black person is way higher is way higher

    Really? Where did you pull that “statistic” from? Years ago, I lived in South Central Los Angeles, an area that used to be ripe with gang activity. Being white in that neighborhood was to be a small minority. The funny thing is, I was probably safer in those neighborhoods than any of the blacks who lived there. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t be a crime victim — I was once robbed by a white guy in a gas station in Bellingham, Washington.

    I got them from the Department of Justice. Asswipe.

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    I think that if you act like a victim, you are probably going to be treated like one.

    Just like the white girl who was gang raped and beaten into a coma by black boys. Of course, it’s ALWAYS the victim’s fault, to a libtard.

    Mark12A says:

    …and his nickname was “Traybanger”.

    Because YOU are the only one saying it?

    That came off his myspace page.

    Defend the little turd all you want. Actually, NONE of that matters if it wasn’t self defense. However, if you look like a gangsta you’ll probably be killed by another gang.

    If a reasonable person would believe that, in similar circumstances, his life would be threatened, self defense is justified. Like it or not, the statistics will show that people are more afraid when approached by a black teenager wearing a hoodie than a white teenager.

    When I lived in LA and spent a LOT of time with the LAPD and personal observation was backed up by statistics. If you went back to South Central now (the call it South LA now) you’d probably end up a victim. Down the street from my house in San Pedro a guy parked his car in front of a store to pick up some milk with his two daughters in the car with him. Before he got out of the car, a couple of black gang members shot and killed him through his car window for no other reason than he was not in their gang. However, if you feel lucky, go ahead and move back. Your results my vary.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Zimmerman is a democrat……this should get real good, real fast…

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 @ #:
    So much for that narrative. It will be fun to watch the spin on this one…

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    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Zimmerman is a democrat

    Then that means that he was a racist and shot him cause he was black, we all know how those loving Democrats have treated blacks over the years.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Mark12A says:

    I got them from the Department of Justice. Asswipe.

    There ya go, throwing facts at DJ. Haven’t you learned anything from all your time here? Facts don’t mean anything to a liberal. What matters is what THEY believe to be true, and if you disagree with them, well, you’re a racist.

    OT, but “the ‘stache” was on Laura Ingraham’s program this am. Damn, I wish he’d run for president!

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Sure, LC Grammar Czar, but it also felt right, so I figured…

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 @ #:

    Curiouser and curiouser. We should soon see more backing up than at a freight terminal.

    Nothing quite as entertaining as the self-immolating, all-feeling, no-thinking liberal left when they damn the facts and go all in.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    [...] the whole dang problem here is not an issue of “who’s innocent and who’s not”, it’s that we DON’T. HAVE. ALL. THE. DETAILS.

    TRANSLATION: We haven’t finished slinging the mud at the kid yet. We have to make him look like the bad guy here. He is the scary black gang member punk who is a drug dealer and a big burly football player who attacked the good Samaritan who was out saving the world from all evil for no good reason.

    Misha, we HAVE all the details that are pertinent and relevant to this case. This kid could have been a saint or a demon and it wouldn’t have mattered. We DO know one thing: he wasn’t doing anything wrong.

    We DO know that he was living in that gated community. We DO know that he was minding his own business, walking from the store and talking to his girl friend on the phone. We DO know that Mr. Zimmerman saw the kid and felt suspicious of the black kid in a hoodie — so much so that he called the police to report the kid. We DO know that Mr. Zimmerman apparently had a hard on for these “coons/punks/goons” (depending on what you hear in the recording) and that he was upset that “they always get away”. We DO know that Trayvon noticed Mr. Zimmerman staring at him, and decided to take off. We DO know that Mr. Zimmerman started following him — against the instructions from the police dispatcher. We DO know that Trayvon managed to “lose” Zimmerman for a moment but was cornered by him again. We DO know that once cornered, Trayvon asked why he was being followed, and that Zimmerman demanded why Trayvon was there. We DO know that there was a scuffle and that Trayvon probably punched Zimmerman, knocking him down. We DO know that Zimmerman pulled his gun and killed Trayvon by shooting him in the chest.

    What more do you think you need?

    We have Zimmerman’s 911 call. MUCH of the events are officially laid out right there. We have the testimony of Trayvon’s girl friend, who was on the phone the entire time and heard the entire event from Trayvon as it happened. We have the account of a witness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, but nothing leading up to that point. We have several 911 calls of other witnesses along with the gunshot and someone screaming for help. (Zimmerman claims it was him, and others claim it was Trayvon. Probably not a good enough recording for voice analysis though, and yelling does not give good markers for voice analysis anyways)

    The compelling witness is Zimmerman’s own words in the 911 recording, along with its time stamp. Couple that with the girl friend’s account of the events from Trayvon himself — which can be validated through the time stamp on the phone records — and it’s pretty clear what actually happened.

    I know they did a toxicology report on Trayvon, but none of that has been released. They didn’t do one on George Zimmerman — which would have been SOP in a homicide investigation with a known shooter on the scene. Apparently, the kid wasn’t on drugs, otherwise they would have leaked that information. The Sanford PD had no problems leaking the fact that the kid was on suspension for having traces of pot in a baggie though. (as if THAT were relevant to the investigation.

    We know that when Trayvon failed to come home, his family filed a missing person’s report. They had to wait 48 hours to file it — all the time their kid was in the morgue as a “John Doe”. The Sanford Police apparently couldn’t add two and two together to realize that hey, we have a 17 year old black shooting “subject” and these people are looking for a 17 year old black kid that was missing from that very neighborhood at that very time.

    HAD the police bothered to actually investigate this case, they would have been able to ascertain who this kid was within a very short time, and might have actually figured out that there was a little more to the story than Trayvon being a “subject” who appeared to be the “aggressor”. It might have made Trayvon look more like a “victim” who was being stalked.

    MOST people are seeing this story as the later here. The ones raising such a huge stink about it are more concerned about it maybe causing people to take a closer look at the law that allowed for such a thing to happen. THAT seems to be the major agenda here.

    You don’t really realize that this law, written by ALEC, and paid for by the NRA isn’t so much about “protecting” one’s castle, but a means to sell more guns. But all that aside, the law has a couple of flaws in it, that need to be addressed. That doesn’t mean that the law needs to go way — on the contrary, it needs to be strengthened.

    I think we can all agree that we have a right to DEFEND ourselves, right? But I think first we need to define what “defend” is.

    In MY mind, you cannot first start a confrontation and then defend yourself from its results. If you went in as the protagonist, you lost your right for defense.

    Zimmerman initiated the conflict in this case. If he would have called the police and followed their instructions by staying in his vehicle, none of this would have happened. Either the police would have come and talked to Trayvon or they may have come too late and Trayvon would have simply gotten home to watch the ball game with his family. But Zimmerman chose to follow the kid, the kid finding himself being followed or “stalked” by Zimmerman attempted to ditch him. When that failed, and Trayvon was cornered, he did what you or I would have — defended himself against what Trayvon considered a threat. Trayvon apparently had gotten the upper hand and Zimmerman shot him.

    Now picture this — what if Trayvon had had a gun, and shot Zimmerman because he considered him a threat? He was standing his ground, wasn’t he? Does this mean that because Trayvon DIDN’T have a gun that day give the “self defense” claim to the person who did?

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Zimmerman is a democrat……this should get real good, real fast…

    And this mean what? This is relevant?

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    It will be fun to watch the spin on this one…

    The only “spin” is coming from here. Everyone else thinks this is as immaterial to this case as Trayvon’s marijuana suspension.

    Mark12A says:

    If you went back to South Central now (the call it South LA now) you’d probably end up a victim.

    I was down there a few weeks ago, and I expect to be back down there in about ten days. I have some work in a studio down there, working on an album. I am not worried in the least.

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Damn, I wish he’d run for president!

    So do I. :em05:
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    AyUaxe growls and barks:

    “Does this mean that because Trayvon DIDN’T have a gun that day give the “self defense” claim to the person who did?”

    Yes, that is absolutely, unavoidably, as certainly as death and taxes one of the lessons to be learned from this incident. AFAIK, no one but Martin and Zimmerman know what happened after Zimmerman called in his sighting of Martin to the PoPo. DeeJ, in particular absolutely has no personal knowledge whatsoever on that point. We already know he was and remains essentially on the opposite coast of N.A. from where this happened. So he can just SDSTFU about what factually happened.

    As usual, when seconds count, PoPo are minutes or in this case many minutes away. He who survives gets to have his say. Tough for lil Traybanger. Shouldn’t have brought skittles to a gunfight. Not judgin’ whether one is right or wrong, but on the level of pure survival, Zimmerman wins. Always better to be judged by 12, if that’s how it’s gotta be, than to be carried by 6. That’s a lot of trite aphorisms in one comment, but I guess now we can see why they’re such well-worn, trite aphorisms.

  76. 76
    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    The only “spin” is coming from here.

    Did you read the link that Cave posted? The left spin machine is busy blaming this on the Republicans and conservative talk show hosts. Sorry, but this time it won’t fly. The lefties have spent all of their capital.

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  78. 78
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Why is it when a democrat shoots someone it’s the republicans fault…..?
    Yeah, I know, in poor taste, but why is the media so desperate to keep white in Zimmermans description?
    White Hispanic? Is Obama a hash brown, or half black?
    When was the last time you heard that?
    Either you are Hispanic or you aren’t……..never read it before…..yes, I know, different shades, etc.
    I do not know who they think they are fooling, but a lot of folks just shake their heads………
    Just watching Drudge for two days was enough, then follow the talking heads……….
    Text and style, from racist wgute democrats desperate to keep the plantation populated.
    Do you suppose for one second what would have been said had Zimmerman lost his life instead?
    Quite a difference, isn’t it?
    I expect to see quite a dent put in the left playing on this soon…….

  79. 79
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Black Men Who Could Look Like Obama’s Son Arrested For Murder of White Mississippi State Student

    It’s funny, I have yet to see a single story about anyone holding candlelight vigils for John Sanderson. There’s no outrage from the left about a group of young black men murdering a white college student, no Congressional hearings scheduled, no civil rights hucksters leading marches.

    Have MSNBC and CNN gone with wall-to-wall coverage of this case? Have they even mentioned it?

    Sanderson was white, so I guess he’s expendable.

    Two suspects are now in custody and facing capital murder charges in Saturday’s fatal shooting of Mississippi State University student John Sanderson outside a campus dorm room.

    Authorities still are seeking a third, unnamed suspect in the slaying.

    Dontae Harvey surrendered to U.S. marshals at 7:30 p.m. Monday at a residence on Jane Avenue in Jackson, said supervisory inspector Rick Griffin. Marshals developed information on his whereabouts and gained cooperation from his family, Griffin said. Harvey was being held at the Raymond detention center and awaiting transport to Starkville this morning, Griffin said.

    Mason Perry Jones, 21, of Jackson was arrested Sunday and charged Monday with capital murder in the case.

    Capital murder, huh? Well, now, the “civil rights” crew will surely take interest now that the death penalty is involved.

    If there’s any reaction from the left it will be this: The police quickly acted to arrest young black males, but are hesitant to arrest “white Hispanic” George Zimmerman because … racist!

  80. 80
    bruce growls and barks:

    once again i had to go to word press to log in because you will not accept my password which has not changed in 10yrs..i have had a lot of dealings with negroes and have found them to be the most racist bunch of creeps i ever met.i had to defend myself from two negroes who thought my money was their money and like mister zimmerman i shot both of them in the heart.of course i had to hire a shyster who took all of my money to prevent a commie prosecutor from trying to make point off my ass.i would have been better off just to give the creeps my money.if the black panthers had put a bounty on my head i would have got a restraining order then gone looking for moohamadan with my .348 pantherizer. :em05:

  81. 81
    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    AyUaxe says:

    Yes, that is absolutely, unavoidably, as certainly as death and taxes one of the lessons to be learned from this incident.

    Do you know how idiotic that sounds then? You are basically saying that the ONLY person “entitled” to self defense is the one with a gun. In other words, I can pull a gun on anyone on the street and if the guy is able to land a good punch on me and knock me down HE is guilty of an assault?

    What if BOTH people had a gun? Is it the first one who squeezes off a shot and makes the kill the one who gets to claim that “self defense”?

    No, what needs to be “learned” from this incident is to define what “self defense” is. You cannot defend by offense. That only works in a war. I cannot just meet you on the street, shoot you, and claim that I was “defending” myself against a threat either real or imagined. I cannot also provoke you into punching me in the nose, and then shoot you because you did. THAT isn’t “self defense”. I wouldn’t be “standing my ground” while in pursuit of you.

    AyUaxe says:

    DeeJ, in particular absolutely has no personal knowledge whatsoever on that point. We already know he was and remains essentially on the opposite coast of N.A. from where this happened. So he can just SDSTFU about what factually happened.

    And yet, you get to open that giant dump truck you call an asshole and shit out your assumptions based on a hunch and an eyewitness account who only saw the last thirty seconds of everything?

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Did you read the link that Cave posted? The left spin machine is busy blaming this on the Republicans and conservative talk show hosts. Sorry, but this time it won’t fly. The lefties have spent all of their capital.

    We are? Suddenly, Republicans and talk show hosts are the story? Makes about as much sense as your pictures of the kid flashing “gang signs” and assuming he was some kind of burly football player.

    There were plenty of Democrats who voted for the “stand your ground” law. THAT isn’t the issue. Even the law isn’t the issue as much as the lack of any kind of serious investigation of the incident. THAT is what people are bent out of shape on.

    They see a kid who was basically stalked, who probably tried to defend himself against a stranger who was very threatening. From all indications, he punched the threat and ended up dying because some wanna be cop with a hard on had a gun on him.

    And for what, walking through his own neighborhood?

    I wonder, If the kid were named “Troy”, and white, and the shooter were named George and was black, would we even be having this conversation?

    If Trayvon had been the one who was armed, and George confronted him and pushed him, and Trayvon shot and killed him claiming “self defense” would Trayvon be sitting in jail now?

    Let’s try to have just a smidgen of honesty here. We ALL know if the roles were reversed, this case would have been handled a WHOLE lot differently.

    It is YOU people who want to try and throw in all the kitchen sink shit here. Now you want to try and make Republicans and talk show hosts the victims also? I keep going back to the actual facts. All the rest of the shit you’ve tried to toss in here is meaningless.

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Why is it when a democrat shoots someone it’s the republicans fault…..?

    Why does it matter if the guy was a democrat or collects Cabbage Patch Dolls? Nobody is blaming Republicans for Zimmerman shooting a kid. I know many Republicans who think Zimmerman was wrong, and know several Democrats who feel he was justified. It is really immaterial.

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Yeah, I know, in poor taste, but why is the media so desperate to keep white in Zimmermans description?
    White Hispanic? Is Obama a hash brown, or half black?
    When was the last time you heard that?
    Either you are Hispanic or you aren’t……..never read it before…..yes, I know, different shades, etc.

    Because he is … wait for it .. white?

    He might be Hispanic, but that is an ethnicity, just like being Irish or Scottish. His father is of German extract, his mother a Cuban. Cubans are mostly white, with ties back to Spain. Ethnic-wise, they are Hispanic. If you don’t believe me, go look up “White Hispanic“.

    I suspect that Zimmerman’s attorney would like to lean on the “Hispanic” aspect of George’s background to try and bolster any argument against this being a racial thing.

    Well, THAT was your first mistake.

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Just watching Drudge for two days was enough

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Do you suppose for one second what would have been said had Zimmerman lost his life instead?

    Yeah, it would have been Trayvon sitting in jail right now facing a life sentence because he “attacked” the white guy. (there wouldn’t be any of that Hispanic stuff at all — George would have been as white as the driven snow)

    And gun sales would rise upon the fear of marauding black youths in gated communities.

    LC Gladiator @ #79:

    Once again, Gladiator just cuts and pastes his comments from unattributed sources to make people think he has a brain.

    But hey, I will distinguish this for you anyways…

    Three black guys kill a white guy. Are they free and uncharged? Noooo, two of them are in custody and the third is being actively sought. Why would this story be on the same par as the Trayvon story? The killing was investigated, the killers are being held accountable. All anyone is asking on the Trayvon killing is the same damn thing.

    If it hadn’t been for the national attention on this the investigation would have never happened, and just another black nobody kid is dead and buried. No harm no foul. The death was simply “unfortunate”.

    What I see happening is the Grand Jury returning an involuntary manslaughter charge against Zimmerman. He will likely get three years and probation. I would also expect to see a civil suit.
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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    DJ says:

    What more do you think you need?

    I need the parts that say which person initiated physical contact and what the other one did in response. That is: the only relevant portion as yet unknown. Without it, we’ve got bupkis.

    Trayvon Martin was within his rights to walk through the neighborhood with his tea and Skittles. Z-man was within his rights to follow him even when the 911 operator told him it wasn’t necessary (a little aside: 911 operators are not police personnel. They have zero authority to tell you to do anything.).

    Martin was within his rights to stop and confront Z-man, who was within his rights to confront Martin. So far, no one has violated any laws or committed any acts that legally justify a physical action.

    What happened next is what we don’t know.

    The next thing we do know is that both are fighting for whatever reason, and Z-man gave Martin a copper-jacketed lead Skittle from his copper-jacketed-lead-Skittle dispenser.

    So who is legally at fault? I don’t know. I’m pretty sure none of you know.

    And it doesn’t really matter who these people were or what they’re like or how big-old-smart-trained-helpful-attractive … It could have been Mothra vs. Godzilla, and the facts are that we don’t have the relevant piece of information to determine innocence or guilt for either party.

  83. 83
    Special Ed growls and barks:

    It’s possible and even likely that both parties engaged in what we used to call “mutual affray”, or “a fight”, and neither was willing to back down. And Z-man had a little deeper bench …

  84. 84
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Nobody is blaming republicans

    ?

    Did you see my first link? There are others, I simply won’t be dragged into a pissing contest.

    That was your first mistake…..;

    His mother was Cuban…..

    Actually she is Peruvian…

    That was your second mistake…..

    And as for rotting in jail….he may have, he may not, tell that to Mrs. Simpson……

  85. 85
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Loks like Spike Lee pulled a boner with his Zimmerman address tweet. Ah, the folly of the bloodthirsty.

  86. 86
    LC MaxMomFL growls and barks:

    Additional info that I didn’t see mentioned in comments or post:
    1. “The Orlando Sentinel reported that George Zimmerman told police he lost 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind.”

    So, that (if true) kinda conflicts with the narrative that Zimmerman hunted down Martin like a dog and shot him as Martin engaged in a merely preemptive self-defense type beat down.

    2. Martins father stated that the voice on the 911 calls “absolutely was NOT his son” during the investigating. However, during the media attention-whore, lynch-the-white-man phase, suddenly it was “100% his son’s voice”. Well, he doesn’t want to look like a race sell-out in front of the NBPP and the rest of the usual race-baiters. Could THAT be any more suspect? I think…no.

    3. DJ mentioned somewhere back there his ire about the police doing the judging on this case and all the poor race hustlers want is for the courts to decide. That is also not how it went down. The DA told the cops, after their investigation, that they didn’t have enough for a case against Zimmerman. Cops do not go out makes arrests after being told that. The way in which this was reported sounded like the cops actually wanted to arrest Zimmerman, but were told by the DA (an officer of the COURTS) to back off.

    4. The information that is being reported now on this case is not “new”, but rather was available to the cops during the investigation. I think many (especially the lynch mob types) are confusing this point. It’s more a matter of shoddy press investigation. Half-truths. Distortions. Ignoring what doesn’t fit the narrative. The usual agenda driven yada yada.

    5. The president is an asshole. Mentioning how this kid looked like a son of his..if he had…a son. Was indeed a “racial” at best statement to say “I’m one of you” to the race-hustlers who are milking this thing. He has many black folks (including the lefties) who are not as thrilled up the leg with his presidency as they were in ’08. I have heard them commenting on various media formats and if i know it, I’m sure he does as well. This was calculated, racist and yet amazingly clumsy.

  87. 87
    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Special Ed says:

    I need the parts that say which person initiated physical contact and what the other one did in response. That is: the only relevant portion as yet unknown. Without it, we’ve got bupkis.

    So, lemme get this right…

    We KNOW that Trayvon Martin was minding his own business.

    We KNOW that he wasn’t following Zimmerman, but it was Zimmerman who was following Trayvon.

    We KNOW that Trayvon was concerned about someone watching him and following him and had tried to evade or elude him.

    We KNOW that Trayvon wasn’t seeking Zimmerman, but was trying to avoid him.

    We KNOW that somehow the two met back up again and that a confrontation occurred.

    We KNOW that Trayvon asked why Zimmerman was following him and Zimmerman responded by demanding what his business was to be there.

    We KNOW that there was a scuffle and that Trayvon’s phone was hit the ground.

    We KNOW that Trayvon must have hit George Zimmerman and knocked him down at some point.

    We KNOW that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon.

    Does that pretty much sum it up? How do we know that? We have Zimmerman’s 911 call. We have Trayvon’s girl friend hearing everything, and we have an eyewitness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman just as he was being shot.

    Virtually everything else is really immaterial. His home and school life, his Facebook, his pastime activities, and his favorite color is immaterial. We KNOW what happened. We might not know every tiny little minute detail, but we DO know that Trayvon’s state of mind was to evade Zimmerman, and Zimmerman’s state of mind was to follow. Whether Zimmerman had intended to make contact or not is not really an issue at this point. The fact is, his ACTIONS caused the confrontation and because of that there is no way in a sane world he could conceivably claim “self defense”.

    Special Ed says:

    Trayvon Martin was within his rights to walk through the neighborhood with his tea and Skittles. Z-man was within his rights to follow him even when the 911 operator told him it wasn’t necessary (a little aside: 911 operators are not police personnel. They have zero authority to tell you to do anything.).

    They DO speak for the police though. Of the two individuals — the dispatcher and Zimmerman — one is the expert, the other just a guy pretending to be a cop.

    There IS a reason why the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to be following Trayvon. It is to PREVENT something stupid from happening like … oh I dunno, a dumbfuck causing the death of another human being!

    Zimmerman isn’t a trained cop. He’s an amateur — and that’s being charitable. He obviously didn’t know what he was doing, and as a result he became a very dangerous and unpredictable person. That is why dispatchers tell people not to do something. You would have a point if the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to move and Trayvon came upon him and started attacking him in his car, but that isn’t what happened.

    Special Ed says:

    Martin was within his rights to stop and confront Z-man, who was within his rights to confront Martin. So far, no one has violated any laws or committed any acts that legally justify a physical action.

    A “right”? DO point that out in the Constitution, won’t you? I suppose you could argue that a person has the right to act like an idiot, but that “right” ends the moment your actions cause the injury and death of another person.

    The reality is that you do NOT have a “right” to stop or detain another citizen unless you have actually witnessed them committing a crime. In fact, that could be construed as false imprisonment to stop, confront, and question someone like that. Add that to the crime of stalking when you are following someone who doesn’t want to be followed.

    Special Ed says:

    So far, no one has violated any laws or committed any acts that legally justify a physical action.

    Okay, let me ask you this: Say you had a child and some older guy was bird-dogging your kid and following him/her. Say your kid is able to get away for a moment and suddenly the guy appears again and corners you. Would you want you kid to submit to whatever this stranger demands or would you at least want your kid to kick the stranger in the nuts and try to run? Reach for a moment and assume your kid was Trayvon. He’s an average teenager doing average teenage stuff. He spends a lot of this time talking to his girl friend on the phone, doesn’t get in much trouble, save for some isolated minor stuff like having some traces of marijuana at school for which he gets a two-week suspension. Other than than, he is a good kid, with A’s and B’s and dreams of being an air craft mechanic someday. Maybe even joining the Air Force.

    He is walking home from the store, chatting with his girl friend on the phone for the first time in a week, since he had been grounded by his father. So he is dawdling along. He notices some stubby fat guy eyeballing him and it makes him uncomfortable and he tells his girl friend some guy is staring at him. So he leaves. He notices the guy following him and he picks up the pace. He tells his girl friend that the guy is now following him. She tells him to “run”, but he doesn’t. He just walks faster. It appears as though he lost the guy, but around the next corner there is the guy again. He asks “why are you following me”? The guy starts demanding what your kid is doing there and shoves him. What would you want your kid to do, and what if he can’t run?

    Because that is exactly what happened. Pretend as you might, we KNOW it happened exactly that way.

    “He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man,” Martin’s friend said. “I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run.”

    Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he’d managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

    “Trayvon said, ‘What are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn’t answer the phone.”

    The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said.

    The phone records indicate that the call terminated five minutes before the cops got there.

    To me — and most people — this is pretty damning evidence. Put that with Zimmerman’s 911 call, and it is the missing link to the entire story. The reality is — no matter how much you want to move away from it — Zimmerman was THE cause of this death, and became responsible for it the moment he went in pursuit.

    Stand your ground is one thing. TAKING ground is yet another. Zimmerman was taking ground and therefore is at least guilty of involuntary manslaughter. He picked a fight and lost. He then chose to kill.

    Special Ed says:

    So who is legally at fault? I don’t know. I’m pretty sure none of you know.

    And that is why we have a COURT system. All ANYONE wants here is the day in court. Prior to the national attention on this, the police acted as the court and had pretty much closed the case. The parents weren’t going to settle for that so they took it to the national arena and it got the attention it needed to re-open it under the sunlight.

    We don’t need the police department to determine guilt or innocence — especially in the case of a questionable death like this. The police had refused to hear what the girl friend had to say because they had already made up their minds at the scene. They HADN’T collected evidence like they should have and by having this case challenged, would highlight the fact that they had botched the investigation from the get-go. They were hoping to shovel it under and hope that it went away.
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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    A sad series of events with a fatal conclusion.
    Did Zimmerman fuck up?
    Yes, big time, and got the shock of his life for doing so.
    Personally I would not have confronted a man in that situation. He knew he object of attention was on to him and chose to pursue.
    I would have broken contact and waited for the cops. Unless an immediate threat to life of yourself or another was imminent.
    If he felt he was going to be a hero he screwed the pooch big time, his life will never be the same again.
    And another man has no life at all…
    And he still has to explain why he drew his gun…..
    If assaulted, well, given the choices available…and I will say this.
    Asking someone what they are doing there would royally piss them off…….
    Did he touch Martin? Grounds for self-defense?
    Was a place being cased, or was someone simply returning from a seven-eleven?
    And now we will never know………
    I’m not impressed with Zimmerman, and I’m sure as hell not impressed with the media.

  89. 89
    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Did you see my first link? There are others, I simply won’t be dragged into a pissing contest.

    Yes, I did see your first link. It was trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Actually she is Peruvian…

    The earlier reports had her as a Cuban. But still, you asked how a person could be white AND Hispanic. I told you.

    LC MaxMomFL says:

    1. “The Orlando Sentinel reported that George Zimmerman told police he lost 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind.”

    So, that (if true) kinda conflicts with the narrative that Zimmerman hunted down Martin like a dog and shot him as Martin engaged in a merely preemptive self-defense type beat down.

    Sure, he is going to say anything AFTER the fact. And maybe he HAD been heading back to his vehicle — it still didn’t end the danger that Trayvon sensed when the two paths crossed again. To Trayvon, he felt “cornered”. Zimmerman may have been surprised. But regardless, if you were Trayvon, how would you have known Zimmerman had given up and was “heading back to his vehicle”? Because suddenly, there he is, big as life.

    LC MaxMomFL says:

    2. Martins father stated that the voice on the 911 calls “absolutely was NOT his son” during the investigating. However, during the media attention-whore, lynch-the-white-man phase, suddenly it was “100% his son’s voice”. Well, he doesn’t want to look like a race sell-out in front of the NBPP and the rest of the usual race-baiters. Could THAT be any more suspect? I think…no.

    As a guy who has worked with sound for a LONG time, I can tell you that there is going to be NO way to determine WHO it was who was screaming for help. The sound quality is poor, and you cannot get any good markers on a scream or shout.

    LC MaxMomFL says:

    3. DJ mentioned somewhere back there his ire about the police doing the judging on this case and all the poor race hustlers want is for the courts to decide. That is also not how it went down. The DA told the cops, after their investigation, that they didn’t have enough for a case against Zimmerman. Cops do not go out makes arrests after being told that. The way in which this was reported sounded like the cops actually wanted to arrest Zimmerman, but were told by the DA (an officer of the COURTS) to back off.

    If the cops don’t collect evidence, because they made the early determination that this was a self defense case, then what would you expect the prosecutor’s office to do? The DA hadn’t been presented with the girl friend’s account of what happened. There was no forensics taken of the shooter, but they DID take his gun.

    Zimmerman told the cops that Trayvon had tried to take his gun. That would indicate Zimmerman had it out and not concealed. The cops are pretty quiet about finding any evidence that Trayvon had tried to grab it, which would indicate that wasn’t true. If he had pulled the gun on Trayvon, would that be a reason for Trayvon trying to deck him?

    LC MaxMomFL says:

    5. The president is an asshole. Mentioning how this kid looked like a son of his..if he had…a son. Was indeed a “racial” at best statement to say “I’m one of you” to the race-hustlers who are milking this thing. He has many black folks (including the lefties) who are not as thrilled up the leg with his presidency as they were in ’08. I have heard them commenting on various media formats and if i know it, I’m sure he does as well. This was calculated, racist and yet amazingly clumsy.

    Really. The president — who said NOTHING, NOT ONE WORD about race in his statement — said that if he had a son he would look like Obama.

    Well DUH. He said it because he was identifying with being a father who lost a child in a senseless death like this. Nothing “racial” except for the fevered mind who wants to SEE it as being “racial”. Also, nothing in the president’s statement said that he expected Zimmerman to be arrested, tried, and convicted. Instead, he expressed the desire to get to the bottom of what happened.

    But you, and your other “ilk” want to insert something that was never there — simply because Obama said it.

    I have come to the conclusion that there is absolutely NOTHING Obama could say or do that you would agree with. If he came out today and said he was going to do everything in his power to end abortion, you would accuse him of interfering in the lives of women. If he said he was going to nuke Iran, you would accuse him of war mongering. If he said he was going to round up every illegal alien in the country and ship them over the border you would complain about that. If he said he was going to end Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, welfare, food stamps, and every other government giveaway and program, shut down the EPA, end the Education department, lay off all government employees and any other Republican pipe dream, you would accuse him of pandering or complain about something else.
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    LC Mike in Chi growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    But you, and your other “ilk” want to insert something that was never there — simply because Obama said it.

    Scratch a Lib, find a bigot.
    By “ilk”, you have now included most of us, hey?

    I have come to the conclusion that there is absolutely NOTHING Obama could say or do that you would agree with. If he came out today and said he was going to do everything in his power to end abortion, you would accuse him of interfering in the lives of women.

    Or typically, your genius and sophomoric wisdom sees through our angst and outrage.
    *crunch…crunch…crunch…*

    If he said he was going to nuke Iran, you would accuse him of war mongering.

    *crunch…crunch…crunch…*

    If he said he was going to round up every illegal alien in the country and ship them over the border you would complain about that.

    *crunch…crunch…crunch…*

    If he said he was going to end Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, welfare, food stamps, and every other government giveaway and program, shut down the EPA, end the Education department, lay off all government employees and any other Republican pipe dream, you would accuse him of pandering or complain about something else.

    Phew! I was so lost and confused, BUT, Deej straightens my ass right out.
    *crunch…crunch…POP!…squeak…crunch…crunch…crunch…*
    Rest nicely in your Procrustean bed, Deej.

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    LC MaxMomFL growls and barks:

    DJ said:

    Really. The president — who said NOTHING, NOT ONE WORD about race in his statement — said that if he had a son he would look like Obama.

    See, here’s where my poor little head gets confused. I realize that the oh-so-correct leftists in the country have deemed us conservative women as the most insipid, vacuous and bereft of brain cells ever to inhabit human form. So, someone will have to explain this conundrum to my stupidity-addled mind.

    When the president says that the “LOOKS” of a person, i.e. black, matters to how he responds to the tragedy; when we know EXACTLY what he meant by that, i.e. racial comment at best; when we know EXACTLY to whom he is sympathizing, race hustlers and black supremacists; we know this is his pattern from previous statements in different circumstances as well as from his psuedo-biography; and then a liberal says, “Oh, noes….there is no there there. You nasty conserv. always seeing what isn’t there.” HOW am I supposed to process this? Is DJ being willfully ignorant, intentionally obtuse or knowingly disingenuous?

    After that spectacle, he then engaged in the usual plate-of-spaghetti-against-the wall-to-see-which-pieces-stick method of false accusations. Sure, sure, if the president were to be visited by aliens, cloned, reprogrammed and turned into a helpless 3-month-old baby and placed on my doorstep I would not hesitate to kick him to the gutter for his past and call the dogs on him just because he’s brown. That’s how we conservative women really are, donchaknow?

    For the record, negative one, there are many things that Obama has said with which I agree. Unfortunately, he later proved to be lying when he said them as his actions did not match the rhetoric. He is very much like a cult leader who infuses new meanings into old words and phrases in order to mask the differences. I have paid attention to his words, his meanings, and subsequently his actions. When it comes to the president’s record, I choose to believe my own lying eyes.
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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    DJ says:

    We KNOW that there was a scuffle and that Trayvon’s phone was hit the ground.

    and

    We might not know every tiny little minute detail

    As I said, this little unknown detail is the devil: Who committed the first illegal act, the one they did not have the right to make?

    Martin was within his rights to stop and confront Z-man, who was within his rights to confront Martin. So far, no one has violated any laws or committed any acts that legally justify a physical action.

    A “right”? DO point that out in the Constitution, won’t you?

    Sure. Remember that whole freedom of speech, assembly, etc? There. “Confront means to meet up with, to face each other. Most of us do it dozens of times a day.

    The guy starts demanding what your kid is doing there and shoves him.

    We do not know that Z-man pushed Martin first, or if Martin, following your advice, pre-emptively shoved Z-man. Your witness didn’t know, she only speculated.

    I have to go to work now, but let me say this: I used to confront people for a living, and I carried a pistol when I did. Z-man acted stupidly, but as far as the reported facts go, not illegally. Neither did Martin. I’d just like to get all the facts before I say I KNOW who’s at fault.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Fuck it. The kid, whether he was a potential honor student who had gone wrong and was on the verge of turning his life around, or was a hard-ass wannabe gangbanger with gold grills and tattoos is dead. He was shot by either a cold blooded psychopathic racist who wanted to cleanse the earth of the Black Death, or was a concerned citizen who was accosted by a large, threatening black teenager. It all depends upon your politics, doesn’t it? Which is a shame.

    There’s a truth in here someplace, but the truth doesn’t really matter anymore unless it advances some political agenda or narrative. Now Ogabe has put out hoodies with “Obama 2012″ on them, so we can pretty much tell where his agenda lies. Eric Holder, claiming that White Racism is responsible for the furor over Fast and Furious, will no doubt give the Black Panthers a pass for what amounts to solicitation of murder. Hopefully the FDLE will take a somewhat dimmer view of it.

    What’s pretty clear is the Sanford PD (and its embattled chief is an old friend) wanted to arrest the guy, the State Attorney’s office didn’t want to charge him. This should make ANY conviction unlikely. But regardless of anything else, George Zimmerman’s life as he knew it is over.

    My advice? If you shoot a goblin in self defense on the street, black OR white, pick up your brass and leave the scene. Don’t say anything to anyone and if the police come to you, your first statement needs to be “I want a lawyer” and then shut the fuck up. I’ve taken to carrying a revolver when I’m away from home now which takes care of Step One. The fifth amendment says you don’t have to incriminate yourself which includes calling 9-1-1 for some shitbag who’s bleeding out on the street. Never say ANYTHING to ANYONE about it and consider that you’ve done civilization a solid.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    I find DJ’s level of conjecture fascinating. While He wants us to believe that Zimmerman acted with malice aforethought, and there are no possible mitigating circumstances, He -also- wants us to believe that Martin is an angel made flesh, who could do no wrong.

    He argues that martin could not have possibly approached and confronted Zimmerman, Martin was simply too innocent and pure for that.

    Why is the other possibility so impossible, DJ? I mean ,statistically speaking, Martin being the attacker is far more probable. And Martin certainly could have fled. You can’t stay with a straight face that a 5’9″ 200 pound plus out of shape mall ninja could keep up with a 6’3″, 160 pound teenager, who by all photographic evidence, was in excellent shape.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Zimmerman told the cops that Trayvon had tried to take his gun. That would indicate Zimmerman had it out and not concealed.

    So, trayvon stared down his accoster, grabbed at weapon that was being pointed at him?
    NOOOoooo possibility at all that it was holstered, pocketed,,, but already at point.
    IF that were the true case, I would have nominate the unfortunate deceased for a Darwin Award.
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    So Trayvon decked him. I would have too, having some man chasing me around like that. He “stood his ground”. He might have though Zimmerman was a pervert or there to rob him.

    I’ll notify your next of kin for ya.
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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    It is definitely time to start making Wanted Dead or Alive posters for every known member of the New Black Panthers Party. Post them online. Staple them to telephone poles. Place them under the wiper blades on cars parked along the street.
    It is also time for the DA in any town Al Sharpton is in to arrest him and charge him with a hate crime anytime that race baiting asshole opens his mouth to say anything but, “Pass the chitlins, bitch!”
    And, I hope Mikhail manages to get his 10,000 black men. We can then help Obama’s science adviser to reduce world population by 10,000 wastes of oxygen.

  98. 98
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    And, instead of Pussy Ass Cracker tee shirts, make and sell Pussy Ass N*gger tee shirts with Mikhail Muhammed’s picture on them. Hell, Yeah!

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    I’ve been following a bunch of law enforcement blogs who are reporting Zimmerman’s position…always different from each other…with a suggestion that Mikhail Muhammad bring a bunch of his bitches along with him to take him. As Muhammad is likely a loudmouth, cowardly, backshooting bastard, I doubt he’ll take them up on it.

    But it would be funny as hell if he did…

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    LC George, Apocryphal Prophet growls and barks:

    I do want to point out that I find it implausible that Martin decking Zimmerman is a plausible explanation for Zimmerman’s injuries. The most plausible way for a kid in good shape to take a fat man to the ground is by throwing his full weight into a tackle.
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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ, there is a difference between standing your ground and initiating an assault. If it went down like you said it did (and said you would as well), then Trayvon broke the law, and you would too. This means that all of these protestors and NBPP folks are agitating for the right to assault someone they don’t like without consequence.

    I have wondered about whether there was a struggle over the gun or not. It is reportedly an automatic, was fired once, and still had the spent shell in the chamber, meaning that the most likely scenario was that the action was interfered with at discharge (i.e., slide being held). This is in the police report. Forensics and a decent gunsmith could tell you what happened after testing and a brief examination.

    If Trayvon indeed struck Zimmerman first and had him on the ground, it is reasonable to expect Zimmerman to attempt to draw a weapon, if he possessed one – I would, in similar circumstances. If there was a struggle over the gun, then a rational observer could not conclude that it was discharged at will by the owner. The left is attempting to paint this event as a cold-blooded murder of a ‘target of opportunity’ because he was black. The facts that have been and continue to come to light in this case are destroying that meme. Because they went all in at the start, trying to confirm a vision that bears no relation to reality, the trouble-brokers find themselves in a bit of a fix.

    I half expect to see James Cameron floating around down here in the internet equivalent of the Mariana Trench.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Mike in Chi says:

    By “ilk”, you have now included most of us, hey?

    If the shoe fits…

    LC MaxMomFL says:

    See, here’s where my poor little head gets confused.

    Then maybe you should stick to less complex things, like finger painting. It still allows you to use your imagination, but doesn’t cause you a headache when you try to actually think.

    LC MaxMomFL says:

    When the president says that the “LOOKS” of a person, i.e. black, matters to how he responds to the tragedy; when we know EXACTLY what he meant by that, i.e. racial comment at best; when we know EXACTLY to whom he is sympathizing, race hustlers and black supremacists; we know this is his pattern from previous statements in different circumstances as well as from his psuedo-biography;

    Now you are a mind reader, a clairvoyant, and a thought translator. Yes, Trayvon would more likely LOOK like his son that Justin Bieber. He identifies as a PARENT what it must be like to lose a child, regardless of what race that family is. It is people like you who try to read into what he said with shit that you want to believe he was saying. But then, I think you are only parroting what Frank Luntz et al passes down to the talking heads every day. It is funny to get the daily email and wait about twenty minutes before the meme spreads throughout all of the Right wing radio, television and blogs like this — sometimes almost word-for-word.

    Most people who have heard what Obama said that day and come the conclusion that he was simply identifying with a parent’s loss by stating that he is a father himself. They probably WOULD have pictured a hypothetical son of Obama’s to LOOK like Trayvon. But they wouldn’t have superimposed a racial element on it until it was suggested to them. It is the reason the three presidential contenders in the Republican Klown Kar all came out at exactly the same time to share their “outrage” that Obama would insert “race” into his statement. It is because they all got the same Luntz memo like I did. Heritage was also quick to follow up within twenty minutes with an email of their own.

    Special Ed says:

    As I said, this little unknown detail is the devil: Who committed the first illegal act, the one they did not have the right to make?

    It is because the police did very little as far as an investigation. It is why the DA didn’t have a case. It is also why George Zimmerman will most likely be acquitted of ANY charge they choose to bring — because any halfway decent attorney will immediately attack the police for NOT doing a proper investigation.

    I don’t know how many times I have to repeat it — the police botched the investigation by not having one. They didn’t collect forensic evidence from the shooter (GSR, powder patterns, DNA, blood spatter, or even trajectory evidence) They simply took his word that he was “attacked” and that he fired in self defense. So the cops automatically had Trayvon classified as “the subject”, instead of “the victim” which runs counter to how most homicide investigations start. They started with an assumption based solely on the last man standing and the eyewitness of someone who only saw Trayvon “on top of Zimmerman” and nothing else. A 13-year-old kid says that he saw Zimmerman rolling around on his back in the grass moaning just before the gunshot.

    We are now hearing that Zimmerman said that Trayvon went for his gun. Did he have it out? Was he threatening Trayvon with it? Had he been following Trayvon with the gun visible? We know what Trayvon’s state of mind was — he saw Zimmerman as threatening, according to his girl friend, who listen to the whole thing unfold. We know that Trayvon was trying to get away, to remove himself from the scene and that Zimmerman kept pursuing. Whether at some point Zimmerman gave up and headed back towards his vehicle only to stumble upon Trayvon again is immaterial By then, Trayvon felt threatened, and if there was a gun visible that would only ADD to the threat.

    But yes, there is NO forensic evidence to back up any scenario. You cannot exclude either as being “the victim” or the “antagonist” based on physical evidence. The only thing available is two phone calls and two eyewitnesses.

    Zimmerman will walk because the police failed to do their job.

    Now for the humor comment of the day:

    Mark12A says:

    It all depends upon your politics, doesn’t it? Which is a shame.

    I disagree. I could care less about the “politics”. That seems to be more Caveman’s concern. I am only looking at it from the common sense view, NOT whether it is a political view or whether I am afraid this might somehow threaten a gun law or not. (And THAT is what is REALLY at issue here for many of you. It is a fear that this will cause all of these “Stand Your Ground” laws to be changed if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty.)

    When the story first broke nationally, before the Frank Luntz messaging machine kicked in, the first reaction of almost everyone across the political spectrum was that Zimmerman should be sitting in jail right now. An innocent kid had been shot for the crime of looking suspicious. But the moment the Stand Your Ground law came into question, the Right wing messaging machine fired up and went full tilt to make Trayvon look as bad as they could.

    The purpose? The “Stand Your Ground” law. It is as simple as that.

    I am sure that privately, most of you think Zimmerman IS guilty of causing the unwarranted death of Trayvon, and at the very least is guilty of manslaughter. Most of you privately feel that he was stalking Trayvon and that if you had been in Trayvon’s shoes, you would have reacted the same way he did. But hey, the kid’s dead, the cops bungled the investigation badly and the only real important thing is to protect the law that would allow you to shoot someone anywhere at any time you feel threatened for whatever reason. Fuck self defense, who wants to be tied down by a quaint idea like that?

    Mark12A says:

    Now Ogabe has put out hoodies with “Obama 2012? on them, so we can pretty much tell where his agenda lies.

    NOW he has done that? Sorry, but he’s had hoodies for sale since 2007. I have one from the 2008 election. Now the NRA, on the other hand is now selling hoodies with a concealed carry pocket. FOX News pulled it’s hoodies it was selling the day Geraldo blamed Trayvon’s hoodie for his death.

    So what “agenda” do you think he has?

    Mark12A says:

    will no doubt give the Black Panthers a pass for what amounts to solicitation of murder.

    The New Black Panthers Party, not to be confused with the old Black Panthers Party, is a joke. An alligator mouth with a flea ass. They probably will be arrested if they actually made a proactive attempt to live up to their rhetoric. You can bet your last dollar that someone is keeping a close eye on them to see if they do.

    Mark12A says:

    What’s pretty clear is the Sanford PD (and its embattled chief is an old friend) wanted to arrest the guy, the State Attorney’s office didn’t want to charge him. This should make ANY conviction unlikely. But regardless of anything else, George Zimmerman’s life as he knew it is over.

    From what I understand, the lead investigator didn’t buy George’s self defense story. The problem was that he wasn’t the responding investigator and wasn’t the one on the scene to collect evidence. I think that both the Chief and the lead investigator knew that the investigation was screwed up and when the DA told them they didn’t have enough evidence, that they decided to just lay low and hope that everything just quietly went away.

    I think they were surprised that the parents had the nerve to not just accept the pat story the police were giving. Remember, they first tried to report Trayvon missing that evening, and were told that they had to wait 48 hours to file a missing person’s report. Never mind that the description of their kid matched exactly the body of the John Doe they had in the morgue from a shooting in the very neighborhood he went missing. Forty-eight hours later, they filed a missing person’s report and then the police came over to their house to show them some photos.

    They had Trayvon’s phone with all of his contacts. They could see that he had probably been talking to someone right around the time he was killed. Even after they finally DID discover who he was, they wouldn’t take a statement from his girl friend, who had been talking to him leading up to the confrontation. This would have been real important information to have. The parents had to get an attorney to get that statement in the form of a deposition and turn it over to the police. But by that time, the police were in a defensive mode and trying to make this all go away.

    So the parents went national, and I don’t blame them. I would have done the same thing. Whatever it took to get some justice — ANY justice. Some way to get some closure on this thing.

    I agree, getting a conviction against Zimmerman will be difficult, if not impossible. His attorney will argue that the police were inept in their investigation, and that they don’t have a case. While the 911 tape is damning, the girlfriend’s statement is only hearsay, and with no forensics to back it up, it is thin.

    But that doesn’t mean there won’t be a civil case. I fully expect it, and Zimmerman will lose big time.

    Mark12A says:

    My advice? If you shoot a goblin in self defense on the street, black OR white, pick up your brass and leave the scene.

    Ah, but HERE is where I have the problem. You are essentially calling Trayvon a “goblin”. Why is that? What made him a “goblin”? He was minding his own business and Zimmerman inserted himself into his space. Zimmerman had made a judgment that Trayvon was “up to no good”, and ended up executing him.

    We can’t forget that the gated community did NOT have a formal neighborhood watch program, and that George Zimmerman was a self-appointed “captain” of a non-existent organization. He was essentially pretending he was Batman, while in reality was nothing more than a Walter Mitty character. He routinely called the police to report suspicious people — some as young as seven years old — marauding in his neighborhood. He carried a gun because he had a fantasy that he was a cop fighting crime wherever it manifested itself. There had apparently been some complaints about Zimmerman’s “aggressive tactics” reported to the police, and a HOA meeting on March 1st had also reported some of Zimmerman’s aggressiveness.

    Now as far as policing your brass and leaving the scene goes, THAT would actually make your actions illegal. Ironically, it probably would have caused the Sanford police to actually conduct an investigation, and they probably would have collected the evidence needed to arrest and convict George Zimmerman.

    LC Roguetek says:

    I find DJ’s level of conjecture fascinating. While He wants us to believe that Zimmerman acted with malice aforethought, and there are no possible mitigating circumstances, He -also- wants us to believe that Martin is an angel made flesh, who could do no wrong.

    Sorry. I am only going with Zimmerman’s own words, and what Martin’s girl friend said was happening. Those are really the ONLY two things we have.

    It doesn’t matter what Trayvon was. White, black good, bad, rap music or country. The point is, NONE of that information was available to George OR the police prior to the trigger being pulled.

    We do know that Trayvon was minding his own business walking home talking on the telephone. We DON’T know how long George had been stalking him in is vehicle before calling the police. So we only have from the moment he called 911 until Martin was killed. Part of that is on tape. The rest is a deposition made by Martin’s girl friend that goes to what was in Martin’s mind and his experiences just moments prior to his death. We know that he was walking home from the store. We know that he hadn’t committed a crime at any point that Zimmerman had been aware of him. We just know that Zimmerman was suspicious of the kid — that’s all.

    Subtract all of that other extraneous bullshit such as who Trayvon was, and what he may or may not have done in his life, and what do we have? A kid minding his own business and a man who had a need to inject himself into the kid’s life and business. We have Walter Mitty playing cop with a loaded gun, and an innocent person got killed because of it. These are FACTS.

    It doesn’t matter that Trayvon probably decked Zimmerman. THAT would have been self defense if Zimmerman had been pursuing the kid with a gun. (foolish, maybe, but possibly a desperate one)

    I am burnt out by trying to push this rock up hill here.
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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    “It doesn’t matter that Trayvon probably decked Zimmerman. THAT would have been self defense if Zimmerman had been pursuing the kid with a gun. (foolish, maybe, but possibly a desperate one)”

    Self defense is ok only if you’re black. Got it. Jesus, couldn’t you just settle for being a liar? Did you have to lower yourself to race-pimp as well?

    I suggest you’re ‘burnt out’ becuase youre full of shit, and you know it.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Excellent read…try as they might, this is now political gamesmanship. Left wing attacks, blaming guns, blaming whitey, blaming castle doctrines…… The talk I hear around town here, Rep. “Hoodie” Rush getting kicked off the house floor. One telling line…..…..so many……

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    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    Blame democrats, since Zimmerman was registered as one, and probably voted for Obama in 2008.

    http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    And here is another link to tonight’s news from Ulsterman. Evidently Mr. Zimmerman should have allowed himself to be beaten to death, and his pistol stolen in the name of fairness. Imagine what creative things Traybanger could have done with a stolen pistol.
    Trayvon a child? The same assholes who try to pass him off as such are the same leaking colostomy bags who want to extend to him the voting franchise. That bastard sounds and looks in later photos like a prime candidate for a 54th term pregnancy termination.

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    Special Ed growls and barks:
    As I said, this little unknown detail is the devil: Who committed the first illegal act, the one they did not have the right to make?

    It is because the police did very little as far as an investigation.

    See, the thing is, if you’re the last man standing, there’s only one side to the story.

    It is a fear that this will cause all of these “Stand Your Ground” laws to be changed if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty.

    Don’t tell me or anyone else what we’re thinking. Fucking ever.

    We have Walter Mitty playing cop with a loaded gun, and an innocent person got killed because of it. These are FACTS.

    Deej, playing Devil’s Advocate is one thing, making up “FACTS” is another. Unless you’re going for Miss Cleo’s gig?

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Special Ed says:

    Don’t tell me or anyone else what we’re thinking. Fucking ever.

    Or what, you are going to take away my birthday? Are you going to shoot me?

    I can read you like a big print Reader’s Digest. It is obvious from the arguments you try to put across.

    Special Ed says:

    Deej, playing Devil’s Advocate is one thing, making up “FACTS” is another. Unless you’re going for Miss Cleo’s gig?

    Dude, Zimmerman’s story is falling apart by the hour now. The special prosecutor may not even wait until the Grand Jury. You really need to pay attention to the news today. The video of Zimmerman being taken in that night doesn’t show ANY injuries, not even the wet grass marks indicating that he was rolling around. His story has changed at least four times now. There is also indication that the some of the police may have back-filled evidence reports. There are also some questions as to why the Chief of Police and the DA were personally involved that night, and why the DA quickly made the decision not to hold Zimmerman even when the lead investigator said that this was so obviously NOT a self defense case.

    While the autopsy has yet to be released (any day now) the mortician that got the body stated that there was no indication that Trayvon had punched anyone. There were no abrasion marks on his knuckles, knees or elbows.

    There is going to me a lot more action on this by next Monday, watch and see.

    This is why Zimmerman needs to be arrested and charged, and let them have a TRIAL. It is the ONLY right thing to do now.
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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Yawn.

    lyin and pimpin still.

    I’ve been watching Zimmerman’s story since it first emerged.

    Exactly -how- has his story changed? last I knew, zimmerman has said exactly ‘jack’ and ‘shit’ to anyone except the police, and his lawyers.

    So please, enlighten me, how did Zimmerman change his story?

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    I mean, seriously, you’re reminding me of Bahdad Bob.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    If I parked a bullet into Trayvon, you can damn well believe he was a goblin. Having been through the business of justifiably shooting someone, it is definitely NOT something I would go out of my way to do. On the other hand, having been there, seeing the other guy loaded up into a baggie while I walked away from the scene made me appreciate it wasn’t the other way around.

    And now, the black panthers…and Obama…have provided an excellent justification for leaving the scene without identifying yourself to anyone: I’ll call it the “Street People’s Law Defense.”

    DJ, the only reason you’re coming out this way is because Traybanger was black and Zimmerman was white. You’ve bought into that bullshit sixties report that claimed that all of the black community’s problems are because of no other cause than white racism. Nothing white people do can ever be good, and everything black people do is excusable because of white racism. But I call bullshit on that.

    This to all the anti-American, anti-Constitution libtards, occutards, socialists, progressives, marxists, black panthers, gangbangers of any ethnicity: Enough. We’ve had fuck-all enough. It’s time to take our country back. We’re goddamn sick and tired of you trying to pervert America and turn it into the third-world shithole you or your ancestors came from. We’re tired of paying OUR hard-earned money because you’re too fucking lazy to find employment or get off you lazy asses. Frankly, we couldn’t give a rat’s ass less if you and all the welfare sucking kids you’ve squeezed out for the extra welfare dollars starve to death. Come up MY street with the intent of taking or destroying what I’ve built, and I’ll leave you laying in it.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    LC Gladiator @ #79:

    Once again, Gladiator just cuts and pastes his comments from unattributed sources to make people think he has a brain.

    Once again DJ resorts to PERSONAL ATTACKS when he cant make his point.

    As to “unattributed” Google it DJ Im not going to do it for you.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    he video of Zimmerman being taken in that night doesn’t show ANY injuries, not even the wet grass marks indicating that he was rolling around.

    It’s ridiculous to believe that the low quality video reveals anything we didn’t already know about events that night. Compare the mugshot to the weak video and judge for yourself.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/29/ABC-Zimmerman-Video

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    The Man who Despises America

    http://www.jeffhead.com/obama-time.htm

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Obamas attempt to make sure the nation is talking about Trayvon and not the Democratic failed policies that are ruining our country and Obama’s chance of reelection are working. Make no mistake the Democrats feel this is a winning strategy or they would not have put such an effort into it. Expect to see more because the only other option is to run on their record. Let us not be played the fool by those in Washington.

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    ICD growls and barks:

    Like the original blog post said, I wanted to wait until all the facts were in before I tried to pass judgement on an event I neither witnessed, nor had any contextual knowledge of. However, based on Zimmerman’s defense revolving around Martin attacking him, and the video of an apparently unharmed Zimmerman (confirmed by police to be Zimmerman) mere hours after the attack, I can’t buy what he’s selling. I still can’t say what Zimmerman’s motivations for shooting Martin were, but the man very likely made a mistake. I’d argue whether or not it was racially motivated or not is secondary. This was most likely an unjustified homicide, something he’d ideally go to jail for. It looks like a lack of evidence will keep Zimmerman free of prison time (this is the same state that let off Casey Anthony, no less) but I now seriously doubt that he was in the right.

  119. 119
    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Roguetek says:

    Exactly -how- has his story changed? last I knew, zimmerman has said exactly ‘jack’ and ‘shit’ to anyone except the police, and his lawyers.

    You really are clueless, aren’t you?

    Zimmerman has been talking through his surrogates. Joe Oliver, his attorney, his lawyer — ALL have been through the press now. There is also the three different ‘official” statements he made to the cops that night.

    Last night Lawrence O’Donnell put together EACH different description of what George has told different people over the past month. It was like listening to four or five different crime scenes.

    One of the police statements has Trayvon pinning both his arms down with his knees, a hand over his mouth, and beating him senselessly closed fist with the other for an entire minute. Somehow, he managed to take his pinned arms and pull the gun out of a concealed belt holster behind him and shoot Trayvon in the chest.

    His father says that George told him that Trayvon had seen the gun and told George that he was going to die tonight.

    I could go on, but I suspect that all of this will just bounce off of you because you don’t want to hear it.

    LC Roguetek says:

    I mean, seriously, you’re reminding me of Bahdad Bob.

    No, that would be you. Bob was trying to pretend that there was nothing to see — just like you.

    LC Gladiator says:

    Once again DJ resorts to PERSONAL ATTACKS when he cant make his point.

    As to “unattributed” Google it DJ Im not going to do it for you.

    Project much? You are the one cutting and pasting here, not me. I have no problem making an argument. You on the other hand appear to have no opinion that you can call your own, so you just cut someone else’s words from another site and post them here as if they were your own. Some would call that plagiarism. I would call it being intellectually lazy.

    As far as Googling it? I usually have been when I see comments from you. Lately I just overlook them once I find that they aren’t YOU talking, but I responded to the last one you made only to counter the argument.

    Try using your own words. Cutting and pasting only makes it look like you can’t think for yourself. I have a LOT of respect for people’s opinions that differ from mine — there is no rule we have to agree. But I have NO respect for people who use someone else’s words as if they were their own.

    LC Gladiator says:

    It’s ridiculous to believe that the low quality video reveals anything we didn’t already know about events that night. Compare the mugshot to the weak video and judge for yourself.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/29/ABC-Zimmerman-Video

    Well, at least you attributed your cut and paste comment. But okay, I will respond.

    Compare the “mugshot”? Sorry, that isn’t a mugshot. He didn’t get a mugshot that night, because he wasn’t arrested. (the clue probably should have been for you the fact that he was smiling as if he just won an award for selling the most insurance in a month, instead of having just killed someone)

    As far as that “grainy” video? It is clear enough to see that he didn’t receive injuries consistent with a broken nose, and a bleeding gash on the back of his head. Notice the lack of bandages cotton in the nostrils, blood on his clothing, or even wet grass stains on his back. (it was raining that night)

    Also notice how he gets out of the back of the police car. I don’t know if you’ve ever been handcuffed in the back of a police car, but it isn’t easy for a person to get out of the back of one of those cars on their own without help. But if we were to believe Zimmerman’s account where he was beaten up by Trayvon to the point where he had to defend himself by shooting Martin, then how to you explain the way he got out of the car without help, seemingly uninjured?

    There is also the reports now from the mortician who says that there are no abrasions on the hands of knuckles of Trayvon consistent with beating another person. No scrapes or scratches on the knees or elbows consistent with a brawl that started on the cement.

    It will be interesting to see if the police released any closeups of Zimmerman’s head, or if they even bothered taking pictures at all. I am guessing they didn’t, because they didn’t keep the clothing for forensic testing.

    There is also evidence that some of the police reports were altered after the fact, where information was back filled later. The lead investigator was suspicious from the start and still doesn’t buy Zimmerman’s story.

    And why was the police chief and the DA himself on hand at the station when Zimmerman was brought in on a Sunday evening, and within a couple of hours the DA makes the determination to let Zimmerman go?

    Of ALL the people in the investigation, the ONE person who has the most to gain by lying about what happened, is George Zimmerman. Yet his story is what the DA chose to believe, based on zero evidence to confirm that story.

    ICD @ #118:

    I don’t care what the motivation was. That isn’t the material thing here. Frankly, I think that George is a Walter Mitty type character who let his role get the best of him. I am sure that he had good intentions and his actions got out of hand and got someone killed. It points out the problem with the law where it doesn’t distinguish between an actual “self-defense” and that were the conflict was instigated or caused by the shooter.

    I would not throw the law out — there IS a distinct need to be able to defend yourself against REAL threats that you cannot get away from but you cannot claim a “self defense” argument if you are the one who instigated the conflict. And it has been clear from the start, that George Zimmerman instigated the entire conflict.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Frankly, I think that George is a Walter Mitty type character who let his role get the best of him. I am sure that he had good intentions and his actions got out of hand and got someone killed. It points out the problem with the law where it doesn’t distinguish between an actual “self-defense” and that were the conflict was instigated or caused by the shooter…

    And I think that Trayvon was a wanna-be superfly gangsta self-identifying as “no_limit_nigga” and “Traybanger” who let his self-image get the best of him. Maybe he had good intentions but he let the whole “black tough guy don’t back down to whitey” get out of hand and he got himself killed. Most of the black guys I ran into in the street depend upon a sense of intimidation and expect white people to be afraid of them. Sucks to be them when they run into someone tougher, more ruthless, or better armed than they are.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    This thread is still alive? Wow. Must have done something right ;)

    I’m glad that more actual facts are coming in because, yes, I do believe and have believed firmly from the beginning that this case deserves a thorough investigation in order to be fair to all parties. A position that distinguishes me rather markedly from the Usual Suspects of the SCOAMF/Jesse Jackson/Al Sharktongue/Enemy Media race hustling fucknozzles, who knew, beyond a reasonable doubt, exactly what had happened from the very moment the story hit the news, without having to resort to fact #1.

    It must be truly amazing to have those powers.

    A few things I’ve learned from watching this clusterfuck of a miserable failure:

    1) Leftists need to learn that reality isn’t a TV Cop Show. If the DA or ADA tells the PoPo that there isn’t a case to begin with, it is not the PoPo’s sworn duty to say “fuck this noise, I know what happened in spite of me not having been there, so I’m just going to drop everything I’m supposed to be doing in order to pursue this case that I’ve been told is a non-case.” It looks awful good on TV where we’re guaranteed to learn within 45 minutes that there really was a case and that, hey, everything else can wait because Justice Has Been Served™ because my hunches are never, never, ever wrong, actual evidence be damned. But since leftists get everything they know about law enforcement and G-d knows what else from Made For TeeVee™, easily digested 45-minute nuggets of entertainment, I suppose you can’t really blame them for being utterly ignorant of the way the world works. They’re ignorant of that in all other aspects, so why should law enforcement be any different?

    2) The only take-away I get from the “Trayvon was totally justified in punching Zimmerman in the face and slamming his head into the pavement because, well, he was like, you know, threatening and stalking him!” is that the liberal leftists have now adopted the stance that you shouldn’t call the PoPo when you feel threatened and leave them to handle things. As a matter of fact, your first natural and reasonable response to a perceived threat should be to punch the living shit out of the threat. That’s refreshing. Of course, this may only apply when you’re a person of color. I have a feeling that if it had been a “pale face” who’d felt threatened and decided to preemptively curb stomp a colored person, the Narrative™ might have been a bit different. Wait, that’s not just a “feeling.” Wasn’t there a case in NYC years ago where a whitey cracka shot a couple of righteous black folks because he felt threatened in the subway and the entire leftist establishment spent months condemning the outrage?

    Anyway. Old rule: If you’re walking around and you feel threatened, you should call 911 and leave it to the professionals. New rule: If you’re walking around and you feel threatened, you should immediately resort to violence and if anything happens to you in the process, the other party is to blame.

    Have I got that about right?

    3) Hispanics are “Hispanic” when it’s time to pander to them as a group. They’re “white” when you want to bury them because they’ve gotten into a spat with another preferred group of yours that you desperately need the votes of in an election year.

    4) A white cracka posting a hyperbolic comment that he wishes somebody would rearrange the face of a moron with a belt sander is a serious crime that should be investigated immediately. A black fuckhead posting the private address of a completely innocent party so they have to leave their home and live in a hotel because they fear for their lives, not to mention a black terrorist organization putting out a bona fide $10,000 contract on a citizen is “nothing to see here, move along.”

    “If standards are good, obviously double standards must be TWICE as good!”

    Fuck this noise, I’m reloading.
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Fuck this noise, I’m reloading.

    Ditto, the Kimber Stainless Ten II hasn’t left my reach since this whole thing started.
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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    Its just an issue of violating the natoral order of predation. We humans believe it is proper to eat any four-legged creature we think tastes good, but we are horrified if an alligator or lion decides that human tastes good. I buy into that, even as I recognize a certain species hyupocricy about it. But Black gangbangers also seem to think that preying on Whitey (to include Hispanics, Asians and Amerindians) is part of the natural order, but being preyed upon or otherwise harmed is a violation of natural order. Isn’t this principle of Racial superiority, privelege, and predation for one’s own group the essence of what is now called racism, ever since the Majority of White people invented the concept after outgrowing it? Why is racism good and proper for only one racial group but not any of the others? Or should we restore equal “justice” by restoring racism rights to all ethnic groups?

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    Cactus Jack growls and barks:

    Apparently, the honorable (choke) Spike Lee has reached a settlement with the elderly couple that lived at the address Lee erroneously tweeted to the rest of the planet in his attempt to have vigilante justice carried out against Zimmerman. Now, the fat, worthless road hog Rosanne Barr is busy trying to show the rest of the world that she is still relevant to humanity and she is scurrying about tweeting the correct address. Rumor has it that she isn’t being arrested for this because all of the local correctional facilities are afraid their food tray cost would skyrocket should she be incarcerated.

  125. 125
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    Zimmerman has been talking through his surrogates. Joe Oliver, his attorney, his lawyer — ALL have been through the press now.

    Really? I s’pose you have video from all those press conferences, then? You know, where Zimmerman is right there next to all those spokes-folks?

    Oh, and wouldn’t his “attorney” and his “lawyer” be the same person?

    There is also the three different ‘official” statements he made to the cops that night.

    I’d like to see links from all three, if you wouldn’t mind. (Actually, I’d like to see you posting any links to back up anything you’ve said in this thread. Especially the stuff we supposedly KNOW.

    For some reason, I seem to be missing those.)

    Last night Lawrence O’Donnell put together EACH different description of what George has told different people over the past month. It was like listening to four or five different crime scenes.

    Oh, well, now there’s certainly an unimpeachable source.

    Srsly, Deej, what have I told you about that? Don’t you ever learn?

    One of the police statements has Trayvon pinning both his arms down with his knees, a hand over his mouth, and beating him senselessly closed fist with the other for an entire minute. Somehow, he managed to take his pinned arms and pull the gun out of a concealed belt holster behind him and shoot Trayvon in the chest.

    Yeah, well, I tend to think that I could probably kick out of a position like that and reach for my gun, too. Really isn’t that difficult, y’know.

    His father says that George told him that Trayvon had seen the gun and told George that he was going to die tonight.

    Also eminently possible in the sequence. Still don’t see where either you or Lorrilynn O’Donnell are getting this “four or five different crime scenes” bullshit.

    I could go on, but I suspect that all of this will just bounce off of you because you don’t want to hear it.

    Maybe if you weren’t selling out to the notion that Trayvon “No_Limit_Nigga” Martin was as pure as the wind-driven snow, we might be a little more receptive, eh what…?

    As far as that “grainy” video? It is clear enough to see that he didn’t receive injuries consistent with a broken nose, and a bleeding gash on the back of his head. Notice the lack of bandages cotton in the nostrils, blood on his clothing, or even wet grass stains on his back. (it was raining that night)

    Guess you didn’t see this, did you?

    At the scene of the incident, according to a three-page preliminary police report, Zimmerman was given “first aid” by Sanford Fire Department paramedics. It is unclear what that treatment consisted of, and how much time elapsed between the paramedics’ intervention and Zimmerman’s arrival at the Sanford Police Department.

    Yet another Deej meme destroyed…

    Well, at least you attributed your cut and paste comment.

    Gladiator at least posts the occasional link.

    What are you doing? Other than clairvoyantly telling us what we all KNOW, that is?

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Been busy the last few weeks so this is the first chance I’ve had in awhile to peruse The Rott in detail.

    I figured there was going to be a “juicy thread” concerning the Martin/Zimmerman dustup and I wasn’t disappointed.

    It’s amazing how the protagonists morphed in the last week.

    Martin: Innocent little boy skipping down the street eating Skittles to well-meaning teen bringing Skittles home to his brother to 6’3″ 200 lb “gangsta in training”.

    Zimmerman: Crazed white racist to “white” hispanic cop wannabe to “white” hispanic, short, fat, beaten up neighborhood watch captain to “in shape” man wearing similar but not matching cloths then what was reported in the police reports and no visible injuries.

    The last part of the Zimmerman morph description was from that video that ABC pimped out as an “exclusive”.

    I’m a bit skeptical of that video because the time stamp is conspicuously hidden and the person in that video is nowhere near the build of Zimmerman that has been reported and undisputed until now. (i.e. short and 250 lbs.)

    We’ll see. *shrug*

    At any rate, I see DJ is taking his usual “enlightened” stance.

    Bravo! Got to keep us racist knuckle-dragging troglodytes in line.

    I was tempted to pile on but instead I’m just going to suggest he step back and see how it shakes out rather then doubling down on the fast unraveling moonbat/race-pimp meme.

    DJ, I’m telling you. If this shakes out like it’s looking to shake out., the folks here will never, ever let you hear the end of it.

    It’s not worth it.

    Turn off the moonbat teleprompter and race-pimp teletype and see how it unfolds in the coming weeks.

    Just trying to be “Mr. Helper”… :grin:

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Darth Venomous @ #:

    Now that’s why I didn’t feel a need to “pile on”. :em05: :em01:

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    “Street Justice” is ugly, mister. You don’t want it!
    I think the baloon’s already gone up.
    Sharpton’s arranging for a tent city in Sanford to “occupy” until he’s worn out this particular john in his race pimping career.
    ‘Gonna’ be a busy spring to the local Gendarmes.

    Such a handy distraction for BS to duck alllll his other problems, national and international. :em08:

  129. 129
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    “Street Justice” is ugly, mister. You don’t want it!
    I think the baloon’s already gone up.

    I think you’re right, sadly.

    Aided, abetted and openly encouraged by the fucking ghetto trash slimebug in the White House. It’s all on the hands of him and his junta. I have prayed and prayed and prayed that it would never come to that, but it appears that it’s what he wants in order to help his stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure ass in November, fuck the costs to our nation and her citizens, so that’s what it going to be.

    Very well then. It is with a heavy heart that I recognize the realities on the ground, I never thought this nation would come to that, but I will have the race hustling, socialist fucks know that, whereas I’m not 20 years old anymore, I’m still heavily armed and not at all a bad shot, if I do say so myself (and I have the metal to prove it), and I have learned how to flip that switch that allows me to use it.

    But before that happens, if that happens, I want the shits who forced it upon us to know that I resent the Hell out of their having done so, because if there is one thing I never wanted to ever say hello to again, it’s The Machine™. But if the safety of my loved ones is on the line, as it appears it’s coming down to.

    Reach for the switch and may G-D have mercy on my soul, because I’ll have none.

    Thatisall.
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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Street justice is ugly….

    And it runs both ways…….
    I am still waiting, at least on the crickets, waiting to hear some liberal, especially a white liberal, hold these people accountable for themselves rather than blaming everyone else. The guilt trip is running out of steam.
    Of course the libs/moderates created this problem in the first place……..
    I have told others I fear for this country…….and now I feel anger…….

  131. 131
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Jesus Fucking Christ, The police didn’t bother to conduct a proper investigation on this.

    DJ, PLEASE do not use OUR LORDS name in vain. Thank you.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Jesus Fucking Christ in the Ass! Was he also a homosexual terrorist fembot too?

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    But for some reason, your tiny little mind has this kid pegged as some sort of thug — or in your tiny world, a “dope dealer” now — because you can’t stand the fact that George Zimmerman killed this guy for absolutely nothing.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    And yet, you get to open that giant dump truck you call an asshole and shit out your assumptions based on a hunch and an eyewitness account who only saw the last thirty seconds of everything?

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    LC Gladiator @ #79:

    Once again, Gladiator just cuts and pastes his comments from unattributed sources to make people think he has a brain.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    LC MaxMomFL says:

    See, here’s where my poor little head gets confused.

    Then maybe you should stick to less complex things, like finger painting. It still allows you to use your imagination, but doesn’t cause you a headache when you try to actually think.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    I can read you like a big print Reader’s Digest. It is obvious from the arguments you try to put across.

    I know that libs suffer an intelligence defect as evidenced by the proven fact that name-calling is their preferred method of response to anything they do not agree with. See above for proof.

  132. 132
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Jesus Fucking Christ in the Ass! Was he also a homosexual terrorist fembot too?

    Does it bother anyone else that DJ CONSISTENTLY AND REPEATEDLY blasphemes our Lord?

    But criticize Gays and DJ goes ballistic. (curiously DJ mentions both homosexuals and a homosexual act in the above smear). Management, how does he get away with this when lesser offenses get punished ? ( cant post “nigger”, “fagott” etc) I know Mishas busy but Id like someone from teh Management to chime in .

    Glad

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #132:
    Since I believe he is Jewish, perhaps offending Christian sensibilities is fair game in his lights, though not mine. But there is so much else troubloesome as wel about the private citizen, such as his presistent fondness for any and all anti-social behaviors and characters. It strongly suggests that he also is a sociopath. Those of us who have been Rotties for a few years might remember that Deej has threatened physical violence against Rotties on occasion, including one of the mods. Several times he has been suspended, or left the site, most recently only a few months ago, when he said he was going for good. But he always returns after a brief hiatus. He is sort of like a case of cyber-AIDS, of which we cannot be rid.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    DJ, PLEASE do not use OUR LORDS name in vain. Thank you.

    Ah, I see. You have no problem CONSISTENTLY AND REPEATEDLY blaspheming other people’s religious beliefs, calling women sluts and black kids “gang members”, and other demonizing names and such. I just figured that apparently it doesn’t matter all that much when it comes to disrespect. People like you wrote the fucking book on it. When in Rome, and all that…

    If you have a problem, perhaps you should first look in your own front yard.

    LC Gladiator says:

    Does it bother anyone else that DJ CONSISTENTLY AND REPEATEDLY blasphemes our Lord?

    You know who you remind me of? Chester, The Terrier on that old Chester and Spike cartoon. Always trying to impress the big boys.

    LC Gladiator says:

    Management, how does he get away with this when lesser offenses get punished ? ( cant post “nigger”, “fagott” etc) I know Mishas busy but Id like someone from teh Management to chime in .

    Don’t tell me we are going to go through THIS silly stuff again. For what, because I pointed out your inability to string your own ideas together using your own words?

    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    Since I believe he is Jewish, perhaps offending Christian sensibilities is fair game in his lights, though not mine.

    Actually, I was born Jewish, but am non-practicing for about forty years now. I am more agnostic than atheist and find the faith-over-science thing to be akin to believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. I suppose I could have said, Mohammad Fucking Allah or Hari Fucking Krishna and probably gotten a good laugh from you.

    For me, swearing isn’t personal. I really don’t give a rat’s ass in my choice of cuss words. To me, it has the same import as “Fiddlesticks”.

    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    But there is so much else troubloesome as wel about the private citizen, such as his presistent fondness for any and all anti-social behaviors and characters.

    What, visiting this site and having to deal with the constant attacks here?

    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    Those of us who have been Rotties for a few years might remember that Deej has threatened physical violence against Rotties on occasion, including one of the mods.

    Hmmm. Kinda remember it a little differently, but hey, for the record, I am not the one to want to re-litigate that mess again. I have said some things in the past, and they should be left in the past.

    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    Several times he has been suspended,

    I have NEVER been suspended. I have left on occasion. I certainly don’t spend as much time here as I used to either. I do have a lot more interesting places to me most of the time.
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    Since I believe he is Jewish, perhaps offending Christian sensibilities is fair game in his lights, though not mine. But there is so much else troubloesome as wel about the private citizen, such as his presistent fondness for any and all anti-social behaviors and characters. It strongly suggests that he also is a sociopath. Those of us who have been Rotties for a few years might remember that Deej has threatened physical violence against Rotties on occasion, including one of the mods. Several times he has been suspended, or left the site, most recently only a few months ago, when he said he was going for good. But he always returns after a brief hiatus. He is sort of like a case of cyber-AIDS, of which we cannot be rid.

    Misha, when is Enough, ENOUGH??

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Ah, I see. You have no problem CONSISTENTLY AND REPEATEDLY blaspheming other people’s religious beliefs, calling women sluts and black kids “gang members”, and other demonizing names and such. I just figured that apparently it doesn’t matter all that much when it comes to disrespect. People like you wrote the fucking book on it. When in Rome, and all that…

    If you have a problem, perhaps you should first look in your own front yard.

    PLEASE cite examples …………………………I doubt you can

  137. 137
    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    Misha, when is Enough, ENOUGH??

    That was MY question, but I am directing it to YOU. When are you going to get over your sniveling?
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  138. 138
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    What, visiting this site and having to deal with the constant attacks here?

    You are cordially invited to LEAVE

  139. 139
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Hmmm. Kinda remember it a little differently, but hey, for the record, I am not the one to want to re-litigate that mess again. I have said some things in the past, and they should be left in the past.

    coward

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    You are cordially invited to LEAVE

    Here’s an idea — start your own website and invite me to leave.

    LC Gladiator says:

    coward

    Fiddlesticks, you ARE more than just a little dense, aren’t you?

    Here is another idea: why not steer this conversation back towards its original topic? This time try to use your own words and thoughts. Here, I’ll start…

    People seem to have a complete misunderstanding about our criminal justice system. Perhaps it is because they watch too many cop and courtroom shows or something.

    The reality is, whenever you have a question of law, the COURT is where you settle it. In this case, we have a homicide in which there is a question. A serious question as to whether it is justified or not. We have an unarmed victim that for all intents and purposes was not out of place or committing a crime. We have a civilian shooter who was “suspicious” of the victim enough that he called the police, then ignoring the advice of the police went in pursuit of the victim. Some sort of a scuffle ensued and the victim wound up dead with the only live witness being the shooter.

    The shooter claimed “self defense” because he was beat “almost to death” Because he is the only witness alive, he is also the only one with a major reason to lie.

    We have video — some extended video — of him less than thirty minutes after the shooting showing zero signs of a near-death beating, no bruising, no swelling, no blood, no wet grass stains, nothing that indicates that he was in an altercation that could be considered anything close to being “life threatening”.

    We have a witness who was on the phone with Trayvon up until the last 60 seconds of his life and heard everything Trayvon saw and said, prior to the scuffle. We now have another witness come forward who says that Zimmerman walked away from the initial scuffle just prior to the gunshot. We have Zimmerman’s actual 911 call that goes to his attitude at the time and his anger at people like Trayvon “always getting away with it”, and that he was a “fucking coon” or “fucking punk” (you decide)

    We have the lead investigator and detectives who did not buy the “self defense” claim of Zimmerman and wanted to pursue charges. We have a police chief and the DA come in on a Sunday evening — something that is highly unusual in any other case in that jurisdiction — and make a determination two hours after the shooting to let George Zimmerman go. (why, did they have some connection to George Zimmerman? Did they get a call from his father, the former Virginia judge?)

    Probable cause. This is the part that most people have no real concept of when it comes to arresting and charging a defendant. Probable cause.

    This case is rife with probable cause. It doesn’t mean that the police have to have all of the facts before they hold and/or charge a suspect. All they need is probable cause that a crime was committed. They AREN’T going to release all of their evidence to the public just to satisfy you before they arrest and charge a person either. In fact, in most cases they probably won’t have MOST of the evidence they need to convict a person when the arrest and file charges against a defendant.

    Most jurisdictions would have arrested George Zimmerman on the spot. His story does not hold up — there are a LOT of questions. His surrogates (brother, father, lawyer, and friend) have each come out with differing stories as time went on. We are to assume that Zimmerman has told his tale to each of them, but I think it has more to do with an active effort to muddy the jury pool. Even his attorney knows that Zimmerman WILL eventually be charged and they are setting the stage for his defense right now. I would fully expect them to.

    But it is ALL a distraction from the basic facts that are indisputable. An innocent person was shot to death because of the actions of another person. There is NO getting around that. The only question remains is how do you hold that person responsible?

    I suspect that the end result will be that George Zimmerman will be charged with second degree murder, and that he will make a plea bargain to involuntary manslaughter and he will get three years. Justice will be served.

    Will that satisfy the Martin family? Probably not — they will probably feel that is not enough time and they will probably pursue a civil case against George Zimmerman also. You can’t really blame them — they are hurting, and all we can hope for is that they get some kind of closure on all of this.

    I know first hand what it is like to lose a child like this. It has barely been a year. It fucking HURTS, even though I got the closure I needed. But there still is the feeling that it is unfair, and there isn’t a day that goes by where I don’t miss my kid.

    Now all of this shit I read here and other places where people are trying to demonize Trayvon Martin as a “gang member” or a hoodlum, and all of that? Blaming the victim. It shows a serious lack of class.

    Or how about blaming his parents for wanting to get justice? Yeah, I know, his mother registered trademarks on the use of Trayvon’s name. It wasn’t so that she could make money on this tragedy, it was to prevent OTHERS from doing so.

    The New Black Panther Party? Trayvon’s parents were on a couple of the cable shows the other day saying that they wished the NBPP would walk away from this, that they didn’t NEED to fight vigilantism with more vigilantes. Even that Reverend Sharpton you all hate so much has had some sharp words on his MSNBC show about the NBPP.

    This is a family that wants justice. They want answers, and they weren’t getting any. The Sanford police department had all but closed the case because the DA put the kabash on it. He has since stepped aside citing a “conflict of interest” without ever stating what that conflict is. (I suspect that conflict is ROBERT Zimmerman)

    Anyways, I am really tired of talking about this. Put this case through the court system and a trial and let the legal system work it out.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    The reality is, whenever you have a question of law, the COURT is where you settle it.

    Wrong. More often than not, the case is decided in the State Attorney’s office. They have absolute authority on which case is prosecuted in state court. The police do not, and the ASA decided to not pursue a criminal investigation. If this goes to state court, it is unlikely that Zimmerman could ever receive anything like a fair trial.

    In this case, we have a homicide in which there is a question. A serious question as to whether it is justified or not. .

    No, we really don’t. We have a lot of race-baiting and rhetoric bouncing around. We had an investigation, witnesses paramedics treating Zimmerman at the scene, and a video of Zimmerman at the booking office showing what appears to be a gash on the back of his head. While YOU may have a question on it, and probably that race-baiting asshole Holder may decide there’s political mileage in pursuing a civil rights complaint against Zimmerman, the ones with original jurisdiction did not.

    We have an unarmed victim that for all intents and purposes was not out of place or committing a crime..

    We have a seventeen year old, 6’3″ athlete who appeared to consider himself a gangster. What was in his head, no one really knows. He chose to dress like a thug, wear grills like a thug, and give himself a tough-sounding gangsa name. Was he acting like a thug?

    We have a civilian shooter who was “suspicious” of the victim enough that he called the police, then ignoring the advice of the police went in pursuit of the victim. Some sort of a scuffle ensued and the victim wound up dead with the only live witness being the shooter.

    Again, not quite. You conveniently forget the witness who said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating on him.

    But that doesn’t fit your liberal, “it’s all the white boy’s fault”, Kerner-report supporting narrative. I know it sucks when facts get in the way of a narrative, but you’re going to ignore the facts anyway. At least the ones you don’t like.

    Maybe you’ll be happier if the DOJ indicts Zimmerman on a bullshit civil rights charge (which almost can never be defended) or, better yet, some gangster does a drive-by and kills Zimmerman, probably his parents, two neighbors, and maybe even his dog. Then you’ll probably be happy that justice has been done.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Even that Reverend Sharpton you all hate so much has had some sharp words on his MSNBC show about the NBPP.

    You mean the same “Rev” Al Sharpton who just earned a very serious rebuke from the NAACP for trying to incite violence over this incident? Any time that “Rev” Al gets involved in anything, it stinks to high heaven. Tawana Brawley and Duke LaCrosse should make anyone pause…Why isn’t he speaking out about the rash of black-on-white killings lately? Like the one the other day in Bobby Rush’s district (can we say irony?), where a “hoodie” opened fire on innocents, killing one and wounding six. Where is YOUR outrage for that, DJ? or doesn’t it fit your liberal narrative?

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Correction, that’s TWO “hoodies” in Bush’s district, not just one.
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Even that Reverend Sharpton you all hate so much has had some sharp words on his MSNBC show about the NBPP.

    Not sure WHERE DJ gets his “FACTS”. but…….

    Crime 3/30/12
    Al Sharpton Threatens Civil Disobedience if George Zimmerman Not Arrested

    With the Trayvon Martin story, Al Sharpton may have found his key back into the limelight – or at least, he’s gambling what remains of his reputation on it as though he has. Now, Sharpton has involved his National Action Network in the controversy, and has threatened the city of Sandford, Florida, with increased civil disobedience if Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman, isn’t arrested soon. This could include boycotts and other economic “sanctions.” The Boston Herald reports:

    “I will speak about how the National Action Network will move to the next level if Zimmerman isn’t arrested,” Sharpton said, who founded the organization. He added that it was the Martin family and lawyers who first asked him to get involved and nationalize this story.[...]

    “Whether he (Zimmerman) had a swollen or broken nose, neither one means he had to take a 9 mm and kill someone,” he said. “It’s not about saying Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, this is about whether there was probable cause to arrest him.”

    He criticized the way authorities have released information about the case and said they are setting a harmful precedent, he said.

    Sharpton first made the warning in an interview with the Orlando Sentinel. Further details on this disobedience could come as soon as tomorrow. With Zimmerman’s story increasingly being called into question, Sharpton may well get his wish, though hopefully any arrest that does come will come not because of economic blackmail, but rather because of information uncovered by the grand jury.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    DJ “The Great Contradictor” Allyn claimed:

    For me, swearing isn’t personal. I really don’t give a rat’s ass in my choice of cuss words. To me, it has the same import as “Fiddlesticks”.

    Then Yalky Polky! Enough with this argument then! When someone throws a pie in Big Al Schmuckton’s mug, then it may get interesting.