Racist “White Hispanic” Vigilante Murderer Slaying Innocent Little Child™ Narrative Unravelling [UPDATED AGAIN]

As we suspected all along but, unlike the Enemy Media™, we prefer to wait until actual facts start coming in prior to issuing a verdict like, say, the Duke Lacrosse Rapists and Sister Mangum of the Chastisty Church™ narrative that worked out so well for the Enemy Media. (h/t Ace O’ Spades):

Trayvon Martin may have attacked a Neighborhood Watch captain

before the man shot dead the unarmed teen in a gated community in Florida, an anonymous witness who spoke to police claimed yesterday.

You don’t say? Well that does sort of put a different light on the whole “racist murdering in cold blood” angle, doesn’t it? Oh, and it’s interesting that the only photos the press can get of the victim, a 6’2″ footballer, are of the “smiling 7th grader” variety. Not that it matters that much, but it’s an interesting data point.

The witness, known only as John, told Sanford police that he saw Martin on top of George Zimmerman shortly before the fatal shot that has led to a national outcry, including a huge ‘hoodie’ march in Philadelphia last night. He recounted the details to Fox 35 News in Florida.


The witness told FOX 35 in Orlando that he saw evidence of a fight between Martin and Zimmerman, which could lend credence to the gunman’s claim that he was acting in self-defence.

‘The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: “Help, help… and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,’ he said.

Zimmerman was wearing a red sweater; Martin was in a grey hoodie.

He added: ‘When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.’

Not entirely irrelevant (and that’s a British Understatement) since that description fits nicely with the police report describing Zimmermann, post-shooting, as being bloodied on both front and back of his head and having grass stains on the back of his clothes. Not to mention that being on the ground with a 6’2″ athlete on top of you pounding the snot out of you (if that’s what happened, but we doubt that Martin was simply trying to give Zimmermann a hug) is quite a bit of a different situation, use of force-wise, to “starting a fight with somebody looking at you and then gunning him down when he walks toward you”.

But the latter version plays better in the liberal Enemy Media, not to mention with their friend Al Sharpton.

Mustn’t let facts disturb The Narrative™, don’t you know?

So far, what facts we have point toward a justified shooting, at least as far as our understanding of Florida use of lethal force statutes goes, but it’s still early.

The other narrative about the “dangers” of “vigilante” citizens patrolling their own neighborhoods the Enemy Media and any other limp-wristed fucknozzles can shove up their Khybers and spin on it. From what we know, Zimmermann was known and respected by the police as a local neighborhood watch volunteer who provided them with good information and just wanted to do his bit to lower crime in his troubled neighborhood. In this case, he did so by calling the police immediately when he noticed a suspicious individual (odd behavior if he was just a bloodthirsty vigilante out to commit murder, don’t you think?) and then following said individual so as to maintain contact until police could respond. We fail to see anything outrageous there. Zimmermann’s surveillance skills unfortunately weren’t up to the task and the suspect saw him. Again, we fail to see anything outrageous there. It would have been much better if the suspect had never noticed anything until the Blue Light Special arrived, of course, but are the hand-wringers really trying to say that we should just notify the police when we see something strange and then go hide behind a bush? Of course they are. A citizenry willing to stand up for itself is not easily controlled.

The story may change again as more data come in, but so far it looks like your garden variety “good” shoot.


UPDATE: And, thanks to the inflammatory rhetoric from Reichsführer und GröFaZ Ogabe and his wholly owned toadies in the Enemy Media, the Black Panthers are already ramping up for a full-on race war (h/t Protein Wisdom):

Yesterday afternoon at a press conference, the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense circulated a “wanted dead or alive” poster for George Zimmerman for shooting to death a Florida teenager four weeks ago.

Minister Mikhail Muhummud led the press conference, calling for the firing of Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, the arrest of George Zimmerman and some involvement from President Obama. Muhummud stated he is the southern regional director for the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense located in Jacksonville, Florida. While Minister Muhummud fired off a list of demands and expressed outrage over the handling of the shooting and subsequent investigation; a member of the group passed flyers to about 100 people who showed up for the press conference. Muhummud told the group he was not concerned with rumors of death threats to George Zimmerman, “He should be afraid for his life.” [emphasis ours — Emp.M.]

What? We can’t pin that on Teh One™ and the Enemy Race Hustler Media, you say? That’s odd. We could have sworn that it’s not that long ago that Gabbie Giffords’ shooting was entirely due to “inflammatory rhetoric” from the right as exemplified by a poster with a cross-hair on it that the shooter hadn’t even seen.

Eat your own damn medicine, you ghoulish socialist parasites. Eat it and enjoy it.

UPDATE the Second: Oh dear. It would seem that the vigilante violence that Ogabe, the Enemy Media and the Professional Race Hustling industry has called for goes beyond a bit of “innocent” handing out “wanted, dead or alive” posters:

SANFORD — Members of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the “capture” of George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin.

New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad announced the reward during a protest in Sanford Saturday. And when asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon in a gated Sanford community on Feb. 26.

Muhammad said members of his group would search for Zimmerman themselves in Maitland — where the 28-year old worked before the shooting, employees there told the Orlando Sentinel. He declined to say when the group would begin their search.

Say, wasn’t there a time when publicly putting out contracts on people was, well, illegal? So why isn’t the Black SS Panthers being shut down by more Feds than you can shake a stick at while their leadership, openly operating like an organized crime outfit, is being frog marched off to jail?

Oh… We forgot. AG Heinrich “Who Gives a Shit About Dead Mexicans?” Holder… Never mind.

Mark our words, though: Every single bit of harm that may come to Zimmerman at this point is entirely, entirely Reichsführer Ogabe and the Enemy Media’s fault. Every. Single. Bit.

Good going, Mr. “Post-Racial” president, you slimy, lying, socialist fuck.


  1. 1
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    And Obama, with his comments, just like in the Cambridge professors case, have RUINED any chance of Zimmerman being proven innocent.


  2. 2
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    WHERE was Obamas umbrage when two Black youths doused a white teenager with gas and LIT HIM ON FIRE?????


  3. 3
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    7 percent of the population commits 50% of the crime and the Democrat plantation keeps black people on their plantation while the race pimps Sharpton and Jackson continue to encourage this sense of entitlement with backing from a racist President.

    President has spoken out on two issues while in office…both covered the president yelling foul without having all the facts…Prof Gates WAS in the wrong…We do not yet know all the facts on Trayvon Martin. It is a tragic sad story a d waste of life….but the fact he was where he was because of being suspended for 5 days, and was in a gang know by his gang name TrayDog, and his father identified the tape of the person yelling for help as NOT his son (it was Zimmerman) , and Trayvon’s grades were sealed by a lawyer…are facts not in the forefront of the “He looks like me” defense.

    Understand Your president needs an issue while he has been revealed to be a racist CRT Critical Race Theory believer…with communist ties and beliefs…The vetting will go on regardless if the soulless man in the WH gets a race war started, and more people die……Obama could care less about your black son or the people of this country…He was been on a mission to destroy the country and who has suffered more with his policies than the poor and poor blacks…Obama is NOT an African American..He is a Kenyan American raised in the most privileged circumstances imaginable, with the best education Affirmative Action could bestow upon him…by communist parents and grandparents…who took advantage of the Best America has to offer…And this garbage is his thanks.

    Vote the communist race baiter out of office…and bring all Americans back together.

  4. 4
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    Time for some real soul-searching here. If the enemy media, aided and abetted by Al “Not Too” Sharpton, conclude that they must react this way to this story, then they should also be asking themselves if their “Great Uniter” has failed in his anointed mission to bring the races together in one great nation of “hope and change”.

    The truth is that race relations have never been worse, and the reasons for this all trace back to the manifold failures of the occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania. As quite possibly the most incompetent head of state in the modern history of western civilization, his ineptitude has become confused with his racial background, and this is a dangerous mixture. This is happening to blacks as well as whites, as many in the African American community are bewildered by continued strife and rising unemployment in their community, when promises were clearly made to them by Obama in 2008. Add that to our society’s misguided efforts to bend over backwards for the sake of racial harmony and we have results that are the polar opposite of those desired.

    Not good.

  5. 5
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Want a more recent pic of the innocent child Treyvon? Try this one at My Pet Jawa –


  6. 6
    0007 growls and barks:

    I ‘spect the actual incident went something like this.
    Zim sees a guy in a hoodie walking through the(his) neighborhood. He stops his car, gets out, and asks hoodie person who he is and what he is doing in the neighborhood.
    Hoodie person is upset that a whitey has accosted him(whiteys are supposed to be victims) and proceeds to unload with trash talk. Zim probably replys in kind, then ends with, well, the cops are on the way. Zim turns around and starts walking back to his car whereupon hoodie guy jumps on him.
    Unfortunately hoodie guy forgot that FL has probably the largest number of CCW permits per capita in the country.

    As some else pointed out, wasn’t it funny that the only pictures of Trayvon that showed up on the LMSM forever were of a 12 y/o holding a puppy.
    Must of sucked to be them when somebody read the police report and found that he was 6ft tall and weighed ~160 pounds.

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    Lady H growls and barks:

    Until all the facts are know, I am reserving judgement. It is too bad that the MSM has already convicted Zimmerman and are leading the lynch mobs.

    I cannot even go on Facebook without getting sick at all the kneejerk reactions from my friends and family about this case.

    Funny we didn’t hear this huge outcry when white youths were attacked because of their skin color not too long ago.

    But of course our esteemed (puke) Media has to be working overtime to get Teh One re-elected and make us forget the high gas prices and the higher cost of living since Zero took office.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    Want a more recent pic of the innocent child Treyvon? Try this one at My Pet Jawa –

    Uh dude, that’s a photo of Zimmerman. Better try again. :em04:

  9. 9
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Minister Mikhail Muhummud

    ’nuff said.

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    Mike M growls and barks:

    Judge for yourself what Zimmerman says. Scroll down to the second clip and listen at about the 2:22 mark. I’ve listened to it over and over and I’m not sure what he’s saying, but it doesn’t sound like “fucking coons”. It sounds more like “fucking punks” to me.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    My guess is they were both fuck nozzles. I’m not in any way comfortable with how Zimmerman handled this confrontation. Even the Pro Zimmerman news that has come out……. none of it has even hinted that he was protecting anything or anyone. My bet is he’s compensating for a little pecker and just had to be the big man with his pistol.

    Martin was most likely a thug, He also could have ended the situation by laughing off the insult and letting the police deal with the it.

    At the end of the day, just going on what I’ve heard, I think what Zimmerman did was wrong. Maybe not illegal, but wrong. And I’ve always believed that if you make use of a CCW you have an obligation to do things the right way, to be better than the next guy. He failed at that.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Oh, Bother. I posted this on the 52% thread. About the Ethiopian in the fuel supply (hat tip to the late, great W.C. Fields).

    Here we go again: This is a National Review article by the peerless Heather Mac Donald. With some unvarnished statistics on the Pet Race’s CRIME RATE. She wrote this after that asshole “professor” Gates was arrested in Cambridge, Mass., and was screaming “police brutality,” while his butt-buddy Hussein Obama trash-mouthed the police.

    Black Crime Rates

    The ACLU and other anti-police activists have alleged for years that blacks are the victims of disproportionate and unjustified traffic stops, a charge that has become received wisdom among large swathes of the population. It happens to be contradicted by drivers themselves.

    The Bureau of Justice Statistics regularly polls tens of thousands of civilians about their contacts with the police. Virtually identical proportions of white, black, and Hispanic drivers — 9 percent — report being stopped by the police, though in 2005, the self-reported black stop rate — 8.1 percent — was nearly a percentage point lower than the self-reported white stop rate (8.9 percent). The stop rate for blacks is lower during the day, when officers can more readily see a driver’s race.

    As for urban policing — where the police have victim identifications and contextual and behavioral cues to work with — blacks are stopped more, but only in comparison with their proportion of the entire population. Measured against their crime rate, they are under-stopped.

    New York City is perfectly typical of the black police-stop and crime rates. In the first three months of 2009, 52 percent of all people stopped for questioning by the police in New York City were black, though blacks are just 24 percent of the population. But according to the victims of and witnesses to crime, blacks commit about 68 percent of all violent crime in the city.

    Blacks commit 82 percent of all shootings and 72 percent of all robberies, whereas whites, who make up 35 percent of the city’s population, commit about 5 percent of all violent crimes, 1 percent of shootings, and about 4 percent of robberies.

    These figures are not police-generated; they come from the overwhelmingly minority victims of crime in their reports to the police. Such crime reports mean that when the police respond to community demands for protection against crime, information-based police deployment will send officers to minority neighborhoods where crime is highest. When the police respond to a call about a shooting, they will almost never be told that the shooter was white, and thus will not be searching for a white suspect.

    National crime patterns are the same. Black males between the ages of 18 and 24 commit homicide at ten times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. Such vastly disproportionate crime rates must lead, if the police are going after crime in a color-blind fashion, to disproportionate stop and arrest rates. To criticize the police for crime-determined enforcement activity is to blame the messenger.

    . . . Attorney General Eric Holder enthusiastically participated in the reign of unjustified federal consent decrees that the Justice Department slapped on police departments during the Clinton administration. Worrisomely, Obama gestures towards those days when he says that “we’re working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we’re eliminating potential bias,” as if Justice Department lawyers know a thing about “policing techniques.”

    Obama’s prime-time recycling of advocate-generated myths about policing will only make inner-city neighborhoods more dangerous for their many law-abiding residents. No one benefits more from proactive policing than the poor, who have as much of a right to public safety as Cambridge residents. Officer Crowley was only doing his job, without any manifestation of racial bias. Now, if an officer investigates a 911 call in good faith, who knows if the president will say he acted “stupidly?” Why bother putting your reputation on the line? The blow to police morale from Obama’s gratuitous remarks is enormous.

    Worse, Obama has only increased the racial paranoia that Gates put so vividly on display. Officers of all races say that the first thing out of a black driver’s mouth during a traffic stop for speeding or running a red light is often: “You only stopped me because I’m black,” a reaction ginned up by decades of anti-cop agitating and now bolstered by Obama’s recycled fictions. The advocate-fueled resentment of the police in inner-city neighborhoods makes crime fighting more difficult and more dangerous.


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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    The Leftwads have just seized on this Hispanic-on-black shooting, tried to turn it into a WHITE on black shooting, to gin up some good old fashioned race riots.

    Way to go, assholes.

  14. 14
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    At Ace’s Place:

    This isn’t even a little funny. I had to go to two malls today in the DC metro. There is some serious tension. All the blacks have hoodies on with the hood up. I’m making my teenagers stay in.

    Thanks Obama. Nothing like “post racial”

    And a big “Hoodie March” in Philadelphia has been reported, with the thugs on the march.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    A working link for the “child” Trayvon Martin’s photo: http://tinyurl.com/7lgjgbg

    Not commenting on who’s guilty UNTIL THE FACTS ARE IN.

    But the propaganda stinks.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    PS–If Z-man’s a white Hispanic, let’s hear no more of “Hispanic” as a non-/anti-white racial category. It’s a cultural designation & doesn’t make you a Méti!

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    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    This shit is just out of hands in BOTH directions now. Maybe they do need to just take Mr. Zimmerman out and shoot him and be done with it all.

    There was a short time I thought Treyvon was wandering through a gated community where he had no business, but it appears that his father lived there. So, that is out the window. Two witnesses say they heard a “young voice” crying out and no sounds of a fight. Well, can you necessarily HEAR a struggle within earshot of someone “crying out?” And how can you be sure that it is a young voice? I have heard grown men scream like 12y.o. girls.

    Martin is certainly no innocent flower. Possibly a racist and certainly an asshole.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    With the pork-eating son-of-a-whore Muhammad putting a $10K bounty on ZImmerman, and that asshole Spike Lee tweeting his address, I don’t give this guy much chance of making it to his next birthday. I doubt Obama will be making any phone calls when that happens.

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    So now we have the 6′ 2″ guy down to only 140 pounds soaking wet. Tallulah’s photo doesn’t make him look that scrawny. And the other guy at 6′ 1″and 250 pounds? What source for that?, I cannot tell about Zimmerman’s height from the circulating photo, b;ut he sure doesn’t look big enough for 250 pounds. More lying shit.

    Perhaps Zimmerman ought to have had the foesight to let himself be beaen into a coma and his pistol stolen in order to avoid disconveniencing anyone else. Or maybe he could have left his pistol at home and be beaten to deaty while unarmed. What would you do?

    Problem is, some of the sheep are getting uppity and fighting back against the wolves.

    Maybe the current maladministration could solve this whole problem with some mental rearranging. They have already introduced the concept of the post-partum abortion pregnancy termination. So why not jsut classify this incident as a 54th trimester termination?

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    Just made a trip around the blogs this morning, and this shit is getting out of hand. I completely expect further violence at this point, and will be surprised if it does not materialize.

    Either way, the Party of Stoopid would do well to find a way to tell Hispanic and Latin American voters that President Foodstamp just threw them under the bus in order to placate an angry and militant minority of ‘his people’, and that any illusions they held about his sympathy to them should vanish.

  21. 21
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    “The first red flag to pop up is that Al Sharpton is involved. That automatically raises the credibility question. This could be Tawana Brawley II.”

    The witnesses account is hard to find in the reporting of this story which shows that the many in the media want to continue this as a race and gun law story.

    Let the process play out and we might find out then, MIGHT, just what the facts are.
    Now all we read and hear from many is that a white vigilante with a gun and a law at his back shot and killed a young black boy.

    Why has the press not looked into the law, how many times it has been invoked, how many were found to be just shootings, how many used it that were in the wrong etc? Instead they just want it repealed.

    Obama acted stupidly! Again! As is his standard operating procedure. remember Harvard?

    Even WORSE and more to date, Duke lacrosse players. $harpton was 100% wrong then and what happens to him for it? He gets an anchor job on MSNBC-DNC-GLBT to spread his hate nationally every night.
    Even the Arab Spring he so adored and supported. Now his SoS will go around congress as is his habit to give the Muslim Brotherhood billions of our tax dollars, funding THE ENEMY of America and funding his friends.

    My big issue with the President is his unneeded RACIAL comment about his boy looking like Martin. There was absolutely zero need for that racist comment. None at all. the rest of his comment would have sufficed if any comment at all was warranted. Race had no place in it. It only shows how deeply ingrained race is in his mind. That to me makes one a racist. He shows daily that he is not the President of the US but President of his own.

    And where IS Holder on “his people” putting a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman dead or alive and saying publicly, “he should be fearful for his life”?

    Have the NBPP been given a Get out of Jail Card Free by this Holder JustUS Dept?

  22. 22
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #:
    Der Reichsministry of Injustice under Holder will never prosecute a crime committed by the NBPP or any affiliates thereto.

  23. 23
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Yer Majestyness, how about a Wanted Dead or Alive … preferably Dead poster for any and all members of the New Black Panther Party, starting with Mikhail Muhammed? You could use Mikey’s mugshots, after all such are public record.

  24. 24
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    LC Ogrrre

    Good idea.

  25. 25
    0007 growls and barks:

    And I suppose that part of that sloppy police work was the part where they said poor little Trayvon was six foot and 160 pounds, ehh, DJ?

  26. 26
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Was Trayvon Martin a drug dealer? He certainly was no angel.

  27. 27
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Was he also a homosexual terrorist fembot too?

    An episode like that just might have saved that reboot of “The Bionic Woman”.

    Virtually everyone who knew him, from teachers to his friends say he was a “good kid”.

    Cherry picked by a biased media that has the narrative with which they want to run. Same as they cherry picked photos that would make Zimmerman look like a monster and Trayvon look like a boy scout.

    But for some reason, your tiny little mind has this kid pegged as some sort of thug

    Actually it’s the whole beating the shit out of Zimmerman thing that says thug to me. Weird, I know.

    (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here that this isn’t a racially motivated thing, but you can see how easily THAT case can be made.)

    Thank you, that’s mighty white of you. 😉

    BTW Deej, I posted that link as a reminder to all that there’s a long way to go investigation-wise before anyone gets fitted for a noose or angel wings. I’m waiting for the facts and details to come out before I decide whether or not Zimmerman needs to vacation for a few dozen years in the pen (or even under it). Kinda like the Duke rape case that was supposed to be a dead cert until the facts came out and spoiled the party for the left. It’s a pity your tiny little mind can’t do likewise.

    It’ll be even worse if Al Sharktongue and the Thug Panthers get their way with that criminal act of placing a bounty on Zimmerman. Of course they don’t have to worry since Eric Holder won’t prosecute “his people”. I hope you can keep some of that self-righteous indignation stored up should that event come to pass.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    From everything I’ve read, he was 6’2? and 140 lbs. In other words a pencil neck.

    Tell that to Dominick Cruz.

    Anyone of those guys on that page could peel Zimmerman (and most anyone else) like a banana.

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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    Did Zimmerman have a right to go out of his way to follow and stop the kid?

    No he didn’t.

    Of course he did. As does every other person in the world. So did the kid have the right to stop and question Zimmerman. Which he may have done, since we weren’t there to see.

    I have to agree with DJ for the most part, here. It is clear to me that Zimmerman took an unnecessary risk in approaching someone he suspected to be engaged in criminal activity. He had already called for the police, and had been told they were on the way. The prudent thing to do was to continue following, in the event that the suspected criminal activities manifested, or the suspect entered a house, either of which should have then been reported to the responding patrol. Furthermore, had the suspect engaged in a crime inflicting grievous bodily harm on a victim, Zimmerman would have been entirely within his rights to intervene. Either way, Zimmerman got close enough to either confront or be confronted by Martin.

    Once the contact was initiated, either party could have avoided violence easily by not offering violence. It is entirely possible to be offended to the point of white-faced, trembling fury without lifting a finger to harm one’s antagonist. I daresay that such restraint is the only thing keeping our president alive. My point is that, at the time of the confrontation, both parties engaged in activity that resulted in a physical altercation. And Zimmerman didn’t bring Skittles to a gunfight.

    Also, I very much doubt that Trayvon Martin considered himself

    a KID. He acted like a KID. Look at the rest of his FB page — he is friends with KIDS. For all intents and purposes — he WAS a “child”.

    I place responsibility for initiating the incident squarely on Zimmerman. After contact, none of us have enough information to say.

    But what do I know, I was just a cop for twenty-two years, and that makes me Special


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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Suddenly, Trayvon Martin has the training of a UFC fighter? Do you even hear yourself think here? The kid was a fucking junior in high school for fuck’s sake!

    No, he has the training and conditioning of a football player which handily trumps an out of shape obese man. Go ahead and pretend you didn’t know why I linked to Dominick Cruz if it’s cutting into your self-righteousness buzz.

    Cherry picked by virtually EVERY fucking media source you could think of? Yet the only sources you CHOOSE to believe are the off-the-fucking wall sources. Good choice, and only goes towards YOUR particular mindset.

    Like I said earlier, which you obviously ignored, I haven’t made any conclusions as to whose guilty or not. Now you want to attack some phantom mindset of your conjuring and project it on me because I won’t join the “hang the honky” lynch mob? Tsk Tsk.

    Again, for the mentally challenged, Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew. Funny that, being a fat fuck that weighed in at 250 pounds. He chose to confront a guy with the false bravado of a hero with a gun. He got his ass handed to him and he chose to shoot his way out?

    If I had been Trayvon, I would have tried to punch the fuck out of him also. Zimmerman took the coward’s way out and shot the kid in cold blood.


    Zimmerman is toast, and rightfully so. Come to grips with it.

    He may very well be guilty and if so should be making license plates until we establish colonies on Jupiter’s moons. Unlike you and the rest of the orcish horde I want to put the gavel before the noose. Then again, I’m not high on my own rage and ego.

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    So, “Dead or Alive” posters with monetary rewards from known aggitators are not incitement.
    “Due Process” is an annoying impediment to “Justice”.
    A Witness is someone full ‘a brimstone headin’ for the podium..
    “Stand your ground” laws are a license to commit murder.

    ‘Learnin’ allll kinds’a bizarre stuff from these guys.
    None of it good.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Is it “racist” to say that my senses are heightened when I’m driving through Huntsville, and a couple of black guys are standing on the streetcorner, as I’m stopped for a traffic light, and they’re staring at me? When you consider that, STATISTICALLY, the odds that a white person being the victim of an attack by a black person is way higher is way higher. Perhaps that’s why we hear about cases like this…because they’re so fucking RARE. Black gangsters pull a couple of British tourists out of their car, kill them, and then brag about it? Ho-hum, another news day, what’s new?

    White people are probably a bit more paranoid around blacks. Prevailing theory is it’s because they’re racist. Maybe a more realistic view is that they realize they’re more likely to be attacked by them than if they are around a bunch of other white people.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    According to the police, when they picked up Zimmerman, he was bleeding from the front and back of his head, and had grass stains all over his back.

    According to the witness, -Martin- was on top of Zimmerman, pinning him to the ground, trying to pound his head into the dirt. This puts Zimmerman in the position of being unable to retreat. Which means that even in a state with no castle doctrine, and no ‘make my day’ laws, he’s still in the right. You cannot expect to be allowed to corner someone, and beat the shit out of them without allowing to legally defend themselves.

    Now, if Martin didn’t pin Zimmerman to the ground, and Zimmerman -could- have retreated, but chose not to, I’d be of a different frame of mind.

    And before you start, it’s not against the law to follow someone in a public area. Zimmerman could have called him every name in the book, and Martin would still have no legal justification to attack Zimmerman.

    I’m not going get into coulda–woulda-shoulda. Assuming the facts we have are true, Zimmerman and Martin engaged in an altercation. Martin escalated to the use of lethal force by pinning Zimmerman to the ground, preventing his escape.

    Zimmerman fired a -single- shot. The pistol was recovered with the expended shell still in the chamber, which indicates that something prevented the slide from cycling. This is normally consistant with two people struggling over a pistol.

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    LC Draco growls and barks:

    I have avoided commenting for the most part on this case. However, there are TWO issues that piqued my interest.

    1) Just because a police dispatcher says something to the affect of “We do not need you to do that..(follow him)”, has NO legal ramifications. It is a suggestion and not a lawful order.

    2) The only thing that really matters at this point is what is presented to the Grand Jury. Does not matter if Zimmerman was 7 foot 9 inches and Trayvon was 3 foot 2 inches…or who attacked whom…or if the hoodie is an issue (bullshit IMO), but where gang/druggie clothes, get profiled!! (AND NO….I am not saying this is what happened.) However, having worked with several LEOs, it is known that hoodies are worn to keep surveillance cameras from getting a good facial pic. Like it or not, it’s reality.

    And finally…(I know I said TWO) if anyone wants to take a bounty out on Zimmerman, be careful. Once that Pandora’s box is open, the feces will hit the rotary devices!!

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    All this crap about whether Trayvon Martin was a credible physical threat needs to be dropped. My son is almost the exact same size as he was (to the inch, and within 5 pounds), and you would not want to fuck with him. Enough about that.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    …and his nickname was “Traybanger”.

    Why isn’t any of THIS on the news?

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    Let the investigation be done, and let those who’ve put up bounties be held legally responsible should anybody be harmed in their action. :em08: Let the law run it’s course!

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Might also be why his FB page has him flashing gang signs, and wearing his pants “gangsta” style.

    Hey, did you know where that “sagging” came from? It came from prison, to show how available your ass was for favors.

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    AyUaxe growls and barks:

    DeeJ, you should read the initial local news reports before jumping to your usual, baiting conclusions: the witness who corroborates Zimmerman’s account was one of the first people interviewed by police and media and was the person who initiated (though I think his sister made the call) the 911 call. Another neighbor who has also remained anonymous initially gave an account that suggested that the “subject” was the one screaming for help, but later, I believe, gave a statement clarifying that it was Zimmerman. This is a tragic, unnecessary turn of events for both families, fueled in large part by the cold, hard facts, as quoted by Tallulah (20) and race baiting indoctrination of AAs by asshats like Sharpton and <0bama. Zimmerman may not have handled his encounter with Martin perfectly, but he didn't deserve to be beaten and put in fear of death or grave bodily harm–the definition of justification for use of deadly force. If anyone who reads this were in the same position as Zimmerman, whether by mistake, by momentary overreaction, or by virtue of having encountered someone without reasonable self-control, you, and DeeJ particularly, would likely have done the same thing to save your own life and would be justified in doing so.

    While it may not have been appropriate or polite for Zimmerman to follow or speak at all to Martin under the circumstances, such encounters occur between cops and citizens everyday and often between neighbors and people they don't know in their neighborhoods. I've asked unknown people on my street many times if I could help them or were they looking for someone/something. It's part wariness and part neighborliness. Usually, the people appreciate help finding an address for a delivery or they respond sheepishly and move on. If I was trash-talked for it, I don't know that I would automatically back down. If the f'er decided to break my nose, I'd probably try to make sure he didn't do any more damage, by whatever most effective means were at my disposal, including tools provided by the awesome mind of John Browning.

    Now, fundamentally, this is just a minor, though tragic local incident. But <0bama has taken this opportunity, again, to reiterate his fundamentally racist drum beat: It matters more to this president that people "look like him" or "don't look like him" than it has since before 1861, at least, and maybe ever. Did he say something about how polite people should be to one another or that kids should be more closely supervised, so maybe they wouldn't be suspended from school, like Martin apparently was, or be out alone at night exposed to all kinds of dangers? No, he focused on milk-chocolate color. If there is further racial violence, this will be why. Not because of lynchings 200 or even 50 years ago. Not because of separate waterfountains, hotels, restaurants and schools. Trayvon Martin and probably his parents and maybe his grandparents have lived their entire lives in a society in which the most powerful demographic have willingly given up their unequal power and given immense special benefits to AAs and others, because they collectively felt it was the right thing to do. Taking the benefits given, then turning around and continuing to whine and attack based on race shows that equality, economic and social health and prosperity can't be "given;" they must be earned. Zimmerman and his family, as far as we can tell, earned their place and continued to work to try to make their community a better, safer place, for everyone, regardless of race. Martin, on the other hand, apparently felt that all that was given him was just an indication that those doing the giving were weak and could be further "taken." Obviously, I could be wrong in that analysis–the facts certainly aren't all in on this one, but this view has more in common with objective reality than the fever dreams being conjured up by the hoodie-heads.

    One last point–I'm pretty sure it's a federal crime to solicit murder and kidnapping for hire–so where's the DOJ on this bald criminality by the Black Panthers? Crickets chirping.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician @ #:
    Back in the early sixties, when I was in deep with the surfing culture in Hawaii and California, we would wear our “jams” under our jeans. The jeans would often sag, showing the colorful jams underneath. That’s one way we would self-identify as surfers, although I wouldn’t have explained it in sociological terms fifty years ago…

    And the ghetto style of one pants leg rolled up and one rolled down…in prison it means you go both ways. I still get a kick out of seeing these young idiots…white AND black…sporting this look.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Stop it, you are making me laugh. You and others here are trying to look for ANY way to make this the black kid’s fault. Not necessarily because he was black (although some of you ONLY consider that factor), but because you think this is an attack on the LAW that allowed it. THAT is the real motivation for trying to defend the indefensible here. Now I won’t speculate which camp you are in here, either one is bad enough if you are willing to suspend common sense to reach a conclusion.

    Fine then Deej. Bray like a jackass and bang away on your capslock to your hearts content. I’ve a good idea where your extra shrillness is coming from anyway.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Annnnnnnnd here we go. Mom is capitalizing on kid’s death. I expect her to show up on Oprah soon…bet there’s a movie in the works, too.

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    OK,, they’ve got two million signatures on a petition to have Zimmerman arrested.

    I’m sure we could come up with at least quintuple that for BS n’ a stadium full’a others…

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Cheap, if we got two millions signatures, you suppose we could get the Poseur-in-chief arrested?

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    Grass stains on his back,, his nose was obviously busted by a Skittle though.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Sorry, but there’s no way that he’s a football player and only weighs 140 at 6-2. NO WAY. Also, you keep sticking to your narrative about what a good little boy he was…there’s more and more information coming out about him. Seems he’s not the “babe in the woods” that the left is making him out to be, after all.

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    Erbo growls and barks:

    Oh, and the little goblin’s mother has filed for trademarks on two slogans including his name. Because that’s what all mothers of “kids” that were shot in self-defense do, right?

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. And it sure as hell ain’t Danish blue cheese.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Ach for G-d’s sakes!

    To return, however briefly (and I know I should be in bed but I can’t sleep right now), to my original point with this post, and I fully recognize that I haven’t been updating it as much as I ought, the whole dang problem here is not an issue of “who’s innocent and who’s not”, it’s that we DON’T. HAVE. ALL. THE. DETAILS.

    I don’t know that either of them was pure as the driven snow, but to listen to the Enemy Media and resident Blabbermouth Ogabe along with the usual race hustlers, they DO know. They know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Martin was a choir boy doing nothing wrong until he was accosted by an evil, racist, vigilante, trigger-happy Zimmerman.

    I wonder how they do know? I guess we needed a replacement for Miss Cleo sooner or later.

    Is there the odd white supremacist racist fucknozzle who might, somewhere in his private corner of the Internettubes, be utterly convinced that Zimmerman was a saint and that Martin was asking for it? I’m sure of it, but I don’t see them posting here and, if they were, they wouldn’t be posting here for very long. I also don’t see them backed up in their highly inflammatory, inciting blather by the entire Enemy Media along with resident Dumbfuck McJugears, the usual race hustlers etc.

    I like to stick with the facts. I’m funny that way.

    One fact that I should have updated with, mea culpa, is something I didn’t know initially, which is that dispatch specifically told Zimmerman to quit following Martin. At the time he’d reported the situation to the po-po he had done his duty as a good citizen, reporting what he saw. At the time he decided to ignore requests to cease and desist, he chose his own path. Not that that makes him guilty of murder, we still don’t have all the details of when the shit hit the fan, I can see a dozen scenarios where I’d have gone on anyway myself, such as a strange character moseying around in my own neighborhood where I wouldn’t feel comfortable just letting him out of sight to do what he might until law enforcement arrived, I’ve DONE it once when I found a guy wandering around the neighborhood after midnight on a weeknight, looking very intently at houses and I don’t feel the slightest bit remorseful about it, but that was when he made the first choice that picked one path over the other.

    But it was still a choice.

    I can also see Martin getting worried about a guy following him around and maybe confronting him about it. I probably would too. But the moment you choose to get in the face of a guy who’s following you rather than just going about your business since the only thing he’s doing is following you, you TOO make a choice. Again: I can see myself doing the same thing although, me being the risk-averse type of guy that I am, would probably have gone into Condition Orange instead and proceeded towards my destination while keeping a close eye on my follower, just in case things escalate.

    I would PARTICULARLY do so if, according to the “popular” narrative, I was a feeble, saintly-hearted choir boy being followed by a big, scary, bulky hulk of pure Evil Menace™. But just because Martin didn’t do so doesn’t mean that he was “wrong” not to. I could also easily see a younger, stupider version of myself going “tell it to my face.”

    But that’s where the wheels come off the wagon, no? Because nobody, nobody knows exactly how that particular bit went down. At that point confrontation was inevitable, yet we don’t know who “started it.” In a perfect world, each would have gone their separate ways but we don’t live in that world. When confrontation is initiated, nobody knows what’s going to happen. Did Zimmerman run a risk of confrontation when choosing to follow Martin? Yes. Did Martin run a risk of confrontation when turning around to face his follower? Yes. Neither act is illegal or wrong, but both lead towards confrontation.

    If I see somebody taking a shit on my lawn or digging up my sprinkler system or, for that matter, just walking on it, am I “responsible” for anything that happens if I tell him to leave even if I don’t ask him politely enough? Is he justified in jumping my arse and am I responsible for his death if I shoot him while he’s busy beating me into a pulp just because I didn’t choose to just go back inside and call the cops and go to bed?

    I don’t think so.

    Bottom line, for the umpteenth time: Nobody knows just exactly what made this escalate to the point where somebody died, but ONE side sure acts like they do.

    Oh, and as an aside: Filing for trademarks relating to your child’s death isn’t exactly the sign of a grieving mother. I’m sorry. But if one of my kids got killed, I wouldn’t be trying to secure the movie rights. Call me a cold bastard.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Mark12A says:

    STATISTICALLY, the odds that a white person being the victim of an attack by a black person is way higher is way higher

    Really? Where did you pull that “statistic” from? Years ago, I lived in South Central Los Angeles, an area that used to be ripe with gang activity. Being white in that neighborhood was to be a small minority. The funny thing is, I was probably safer in those neighborhoods than any of the blacks who lived there. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t be a crime victim — I was once robbed by a white guy in a gas station in Bellingham, Washington.

    I got them from the Department of Justice. Asswipe.


    I think that if you act like a victim, you are probably going to be treated like one.

    Just like the white girl who was gang raped and beaten into a coma by black boys. Of course, it’s ALWAYS the victim’s fault, to a libtard.

    Mark12A says:

    …and his nickname was “Traybanger”.

    Because YOU are the only one saying it?

    That came off his myspace page.

    Defend the little turd all you want. Actually, NONE of that matters if it wasn’t self defense. However, if you look like a gangsta you’ll probably be killed by another gang.

    If a reasonable person would believe that, in similar circumstances, his life would be threatened, self defense is justified. Like it or not, the statistics will show that people are more afraid when approached by a black teenager wearing a hoodie than a white teenager.

    When I lived in LA and spent a LOT of time with the LAPD and personal observation was backed up by statistics. If you went back to South Central now (the call it South LA now) you’d probably end up a victim. Down the street from my house in San Pedro a guy parked his car in front of a store to pick up some milk with his two daughters in the car with him. Before he got out of the car, a couple of black gang members shot and killed him through his car window for no other reason than he was not in their gang. However, if you feel lucky, go ahead and move back. Your results my vary.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Zimmerman is a democrat……this should get real good, real fast…

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 @ #:
    So much for that narrative. It will be fun to watch the spin on this one…

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    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Zimmerman is a democrat

    Then that means that he was a racist and shot him cause he was black, we all know how those loving Democrats have treated blacks over the years.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Mark12A says:

    I got them from the Department of Justice. Asswipe.

    There ya go, throwing facts at DJ. Haven’t you learned anything from all your time here? Facts don’t mean anything to a liberal. What matters is what THEY believe to be true, and if you disagree with them, well, you’re a racist.

    OT, but “the ‘stache” was on Laura Ingraham’s program this am. Damn, I wish he’d run for president!

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Sure, LC Grammar Czar, but it also felt right, so I figured…

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 @ #:

    Curiouser and curiouser. We should soon see more backing up than at a freight terminal.

    Nothing quite as entertaining as the self-immolating, all-feeling, no-thinking liberal left when they damn the facts and go all in.

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    AyUaxe growls and barks:

    “Does this mean that because Trayvon DIDN’T have a gun that day give the “self defense” claim to the person who did?”

    Yes, that is absolutely, unavoidably, as certainly as death and taxes one of the lessons to be learned from this incident. AFAIK, no one but Martin and Zimmerman know what happened after Zimmerman called in his sighting of Martin to the PoPo. DeeJ, in particular absolutely has no personal knowledge whatsoever on that point. We already know he was and remains essentially on the opposite coast of N.A. from where this happened. So he can just SDSTFU about what factually happened.

    As usual, when seconds count, PoPo are minutes or in this case many minutes away. He who survives gets to have his say. Tough for lil Traybanger. Shouldn’t have brought skittles to a gunfight. Not judgin’ whether one is right or wrong, but on the level of pure survival, Zimmerman wins. Always better to be judged by 12, if that’s how it’s gotta be, than to be carried by 6. That’s a lot of trite aphorisms in one comment, but I guess now we can see why they’re such well-worn, trite aphorisms.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Why is it when a democrat shoots someone it’s the republicans fault…..?
    Yeah, I know, in poor taste, but why is the media so desperate to keep white in Zimmermans description?
    White Hispanic? Is Obama a hash brown, or half black?
    When was the last time you heard that?
    Either you are Hispanic or you aren’t……..never read it before…..yes, I know, different shades, etc.
    I do not know who they think they are fooling, but a lot of folks just shake their heads………
    Just watching Drudge for two days was enough, then follow the talking heads……….
    Text and style, from racist wgute democrats desperate to keep the plantation populated.
    Do you suppose for one second what would have been said had Zimmerman lost his life instead?
    Quite a difference, isn’t it?
    I expect to see quite a dent put in the left playing on this soon…….

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Black Men Who Could Look Like Obama’s Son Arrested For Murder of White Mississippi State Student

    It’s funny, I have yet to see a single story about anyone holding candlelight vigils for John Sanderson. There’s no outrage from the left about a group of young black men murdering a white college student, no Congressional hearings scheduled, no civil rights hucksters leading marches.

    Have MSNBC and CNN gone with wall-to-wall coverage of this case? Have they even mentioned it?

    Sanderson was white, so I guess he’s expendable.

    Two suspects are now in custody and facing capital murder charges in Saturday’s fatal shooting of Mississippi State University student John Sanderson outside a campus dorm room.

    Authorities still are seeking a third, unnamed suspect in the slaying.

    Dontae Harvey surrendered to U.S. marshals at 7:30 p.m. Monday at a residence on Jane Avenue in Jackson, said supervisory inspector Rick Griffin. Marshals developed information on his whereabouts and gained cooperation from his family, Griffin said. Harvey was being held at the Raymond detention center and awaiting transport to Starkville this morning, Griffin said.

    Mason Perry Jones, 21, of Jackson was arrested Sunday and charged Monday with capital murder in the case.

    Capital murder, huh? Well, now, the “civil rights” crew will surely take interest now that the death penalty is involved.

    If there’s any reaction from the left it will be this: The police quickly acted to arrest young black males, but are hesitant to arrest “white Hispanic” George Zimmerman because … racist!

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    bruce growls and barks:

    once again i had to go to word press to log in because you will not accept my password which has not changed in 10yrs..i have had a lot of dealings with negroes and have found them to be the most racist bunch of creeps i ever met.i had to defend myself from two negroes who thought my money was their money and like mister zimmerman i shot both of them in the heart.of course i had to hire a shyster who took all of my money to prevent a commie prosecutor from trying to make point off my ass.i would have been better off just to give the creeps my money.if the black panthers had put a bounty on my head i would have got a restraining order then gone looking for moohamadan with my .348 pantherizer. :em05:

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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    DJ says:

    What more do you think you need?

    I need the parts that say which person initiated physical contact and what the other one did in response. That is: the only relevant portion as yet unknown. Without it, we’ve got bupkis.

    Trayvon Martin was within his rights to walk through the neighborhood with his tea and Skittles. Z-man was within his rights to follow him even when the 911 operator told him it wasn’t necessary (a little aside: 911 operators are not police personnel. They have zero authority to tell you to do anything.).

    Martin was within his rights to stop and confront Z-man, who was within his rights to confront Martin. So far, no one has violated any laws or committed any acts that legally justify a physical action.

    What happened next is what we don’t know.

    The next thing we do know is that both are fighting for whatever reason, and Z-man gave Martin a copper-jacketed lead Skittle from his copper-jacketed-lead-Skittle dispenser.

    So who is legally at fault? I don’t know. I’m pretty sure none of you know.

    And it doesn’t really matter who these people were or what they’re like or how big-old-smart-trained-helpful-attractive … It could have been Mothra vs. Godzilla, and the facts are that we don’t have the relevant piece of information to determine innocence or guilt for either party.

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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    It’s possible and even likely that both parties engaged in what we used to call “mutual affray”, or “a fight”, and neither was willing to back down. And Z-man had a little deeper bench …

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Nobody is blaming republicans


    Did you see my first link? There are others, I simply won’t be dragged into a pissing contest.

    That was your first mistake…..;

    His mother was Cuban…..

    Actually she is Peruvian…

    That was your second mistake…..

    And as for rotting in jail….he may have, he may not, tell that to Mrs. Simpson……

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Loks like Spike Lee pulled a boner with his Zimmerman address tweet. Ah, the folly of the bloodthirsty.

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    LC MaxMomFL growls and barks:

    Additional info that I didn’t see mentioned in comments or post:
    1. “The Orlando Sentinel reported that George Zimmerman told police he lost 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind.”

    So, that (if true) kinda conflicts with the narrative that Zimmerman hunted down Martin like a dog and shot him as Martin engaged in a merely preemptive self-defense type beat down.

    2. Martins father stated that the voice on the 911 calls “absolutely was NOT his son” during the investigating. However, during the media attention-whore, lynch-the-white-man phase, suddenly it was “100% his son’s voice”. Well, he doesn’t want to look like a race sell-out in front of the NBPP and the rest of the usual race-baiters. Could THAT be any more suspect? I think…no.

    3. DJ mentioned somewhere back there his ire about the police doing the judging on this case and all the poor race hustlers want is for the courts to decide. That is also not how it went down. The DA told the cops, after their investigation, that they didn’t have enough for a case against Zimmerman. Cops do not go out makes arrests after being told that. The way in which this was reported sounded like the cops actually wanted to arrest Zimmerman, but were told by the DA (an officer of the COURTS) to back off.

    4. The information that is being reported now on this case is not “new”, but rather was available to the cops during the investigation. I think many (especially the lynch mob types) are confusing this point. It’s more a matter of shoddy press investigation. Half-truths. Distortions. Ignoring what doesn’t fit the narrative. The usual agenda driven yada yada.

    5. The president is an asshole. Mentioning how this kid looked like a son of his..if he had…a son. Was indeed a “racial” at best statement to say “I’m one of you” to the race-hustlers who are milking this thing. He has many black folks (including the lefties) who are not as thrilled up the leg with his presidency as they were in ’08. I have heard them commenting on various media formats and if i know it, I’m sure he does as well. This was calculated, racist and yet amazingly clumsy.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    A sad series of events with a fatal conclusion.
    Did Zimmerman fuck up?
    Yes, big time, and got the shock of his life for doing so.
    Personally I would not have confronted a man in that situation. He knew he object of attention was on to him and chose to pursue.
    I would have broken contact and waited for the cops. Unless an immediate threat to life of yourself or another was imminent.
    If he felt he was going to be a hero he screwed the pooch big time, his life will never be the same again.
    And another man has no life at all…
    And he still has to explain why he drew his gun…..
    If assaulted, well, given the choices available…and I will say this.
    Asking someone what they are doing there would royally piss them off…….
    Did he touch Martin? Grounds for self-defense?
    Was a place being cased, or was someone simply returning from a seven-eleven?
    And now we will never know………
    I’m not impressed with Zimmerman, and I’m sure as hell not impressed with the media.

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    LC MaxMomFL growls and barks:

    DJ said:

    Really. The president — who said NOTHING, NOT ONE WORD about race in his statement — said that if he had a son he would look like Obama.

    See, here’s where my poor little head gets confused. I realize that the oh-so-correct leftists in the country have deemed us conservative women as the most insipid, vacuous and bereft of brain cells ever to inhabit human form. So, someone will have to explain this conundrum to my stupidity-addled mind.

    When the president says that the “LOOKS” of a person, i.e. black, matters to how he responds to the tragedy; when we know EXACTLY what he meant by that, i.e. racial comment at best; when we know EXACTLY to whom he is sympathizing, race hustlers and black supremacists; we know this is his pattern from previous statements in different circumstances as well as from his psuedo-biography; and then a liberal says, “Oh, noes….there is no there there. You nasty conserv. always seeing what isn’t there.” HOW am I supposed to process this? Is DJ being willfully ignorant, intentionally obtuse or knowingly disingenuous?

    After that spectacle, he then engaged in the usual plate-of-spaghetti-against-the wall-to-see-which-pieces-stick method of false accusations. Sure, sure, if the president were to be visited by aliens, cloned, reprogrammed and turned into a helpless 3-month-old baby and placed on my doorstep I would not hesitate to kick him to the gutter for his past and call the dogs on him just because he’s brown. That’s how we conservative women really are, donchaknow?

    For the record, negative one, there are many things that Obama has said with which I agree. Unfortunately, he later proved to be lying when he said them as his actions did not match the rhetoric. He is very much like a cult leader who infuses new meanings into old words and phrases in order to mask the differences. I have paid attention to his words, his meanings, and subsequently his actions. When it comes to the president’s record, I choose to believe my own lying eyes.

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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    DJ says:

    We KNOW that there was a scuffle and that Trayvon’s phone was hit the ground.


    We might not know every tiny little minute detail

    As I said, this little unknown detail is the devil: Who committed the first illegal act, the one they did not have the right to make?

    Martin was within his rights to stop and confront Z-man, who was within his rights to confront Martin. So far, no one has violated any laws or committed any acts that legally justify a physical action.

    A “right”? DO point that out in the Constitution, won’t you?

    Sure. Remember that whole freedom of speech, assembly, etc? There. “Confront means to meet up with, to face each other. Most of us do it dozens of times a day.

    The guy starts demanding what your kid is doing there and shoves him.

    We do not know that Z-man pushed Martin first, or if Martin, following your advice, pre-emptively shoved Z-man. Your witness didn’t know, she only speculated.

    I have to go to work now, but let me say this: I used to confront people for a living, and I carried a pistol when I did. Z-man acted stupidly, but as far as the reported facts go, not illegally. Neither did Martin. I’d just like to get all the facts before I say I KNOW who’s at fault.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Fuck it. The kid, whether he was a potential honor student who had gone wrong and was on the verge of turning his life around, or was a hard-ass wannabe gangbanger with gold grills and tattoos is dead. He was shot by either a cold blooded psychopathic racist who wanted to cleanse the earth of the Black Death, or was a concerned citizen who was accosted by a large, threatening black teenager. It all depends upon your politics, doesn’t it? Which is a shame.

    There’s a truth in here someplace, but the truth doesn’t really matter anymore unless it advances some political agenda or narrative. Now Ogabe has put out hoodies with “Obama 2012” on them, so we can pretty much tell where his agenda lies. Eric Holder, claiming that White Racism is responsible for the furor over Fast and Furious, will no doubt give the Black Panthers a pass for what amounts to solicitation of murder. Hopefully the FDLE will take a somewhat dimmer view of it.

    What’s pretty clear is the Sanford PD (and its embattled chief is an old friend) wanted to arrest the guy, the State Attorney’s office didn’t want to charge him. This should make ANY conviction unlikely. But regardless of anything else, George Zimmerman’s life as he knew it is over.

    My advice? If you shoot a goblin in self defense on the street, black OR white, pick up your brass and leave the scene. Don’t say anything to anyone and if the police come to you, your first statement needs to be “I want a lawyer” and then shut the fuck up. I’ve taken to carrying a revolver when I’m away from home now which takes care of Step One. The fifth amendment says you don’t have to incriminate yourself which includes calling 9-1-1 for some shitbag who’s bleeding out on the street. Never say ANYTHING to ANYONE about it and consider that you’ve done civilization a solid.

  70. 70
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    I find DJ’s level of conjecture fascinating. While He wants us to believe that Zimmerman acted with malice aforethought, and there are no possible mitigating circumstances, He -also- wants us to believe that Martin is an angel made flesh, who could do no wrong.

    He argues that martin could not have possibly approached and confronted Zimmerman, Martin was simply too innocent and pure for that.

    Why is the other possibility so impossible, DJ? I mean ,statistically speaking, Martin being the attacker is far more probable. And Martin certainly could have fled. You can’t stay with a straight face that a 5’9″ 200 pound plus out of shape mall ninja could keep up with a 6’3″, 160 pound teenager, who by all photographic evidence, was in excellent shape.

  71. 71
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    It is definitely time to start making Wanted Dead or Alive posters for every known member of the New Black Panthers Party. Post them online. Staple them to telephone poles. Place them under the wiper blades on cars parked along the street.
    It is also time for the DA in any town Al Sharpton is in to arrest him and charge him with a hate crime anytime that race baiting asshole opens his mouth to say anything but, “Pass the chitlins, bitch!”
    And, I hope Mikhail manages to get his 10,000 black men. We can then help Obama’s science adviser to reduce world population by 10,000 wastes of oxygen.

  72. 72
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    And, instead of Pussy Ass Cracker tee shirts, make and sell Pussy Ass N*gger tee shirts with Mikhail Muhammed’s picture on them. Hell, Yeah!

  73. 73
    Mark12A growls and barks:

    I’ve been following a bunch of law enforcement blogs who are reporting Zimmerman’s position…always different from each other…with a suggestion that Mikhail Muhammad bring a bunch of his bitches along with him to take him. As Muhammad is likely a loudmouth, cowardly, backshooting bastard, I doubt he’ll take them up on it.

    But it would be funny as hell if he did…

  74. 74
    LC George, Apocryphal Prophet growls and barks:

    I do want to point out that I find it implausible that Martin decking Zimmerman is a plausible explanation for Zimmerman’s injuries. The most plausible way for a kid in good shape to take a fat man to the ground is by throwing his full weight into a tackle.

  75. 75
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ, there is a difference between standing your ground and initiating an assault. If it went down like you said it did (and said you would as well), then Trayvon broke the law, and you would too. This means that all of these protestors and NBPP folks are agitating for the right to assault someone they don’t like without consequence.

    I have wondered about whether there was a struggle over the gun or not. It is reportedly an automatic, was fired once, and still had the spent shell in the chamber, meaning that the most likely scenario was that the action was interfered with at discharge (i.e., slide being held). This is in the police report. Forensics and a decent gunsmith could tell you what happened after testing and a brief examination.

    If Trayvon indeed struck Zimmerman first and had him on the ground, it is reasonable to expect Zimmerman to attempt to draw a weapon, if he possessed one – I would, in similar circumstances. If there was a struggle over the gun, then a rational observer could not conclude that it was discharged at will by the owner. The left is attempting to paint this event as a cold-blooded murder of a ‘target of opportunity’ because he was black. The facts that have been and continue to come to light in this case are destroying that meme. Because they went all in at the start, trying to confirm a vision that bears no relation to reality, the trouble-brokers find themselves in a bit of a fix.

    I half expect to see James Cameron floating around down here in the internet equivalent of the Mariana Trench.

  76. 76
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    “It doesn’t matter that Trayvon probably decked Zimmerman. THAT would have been self defense if Zimmerman had been pursuing the kid with a gun. (foolish, maybe, but possibly a desperate one)”

    Self defense is ok only if you’re black. Got it. Jesus, couldn’t you just settle for being a liar? Did you have to lower yourself to race-pimp as well?

    I suggest you’re ‘burnt out’ becuase youre full of shit, and you know it.

  77. 77
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Excellent read…try as they might, this is now political gamesmanship. Left wing attacks, blaming guns, blaming whitey, blaming castle doctrines…… The talk I hear around town here, Rep. “Hoodie” Rush getting kicked off the house floor. One telling line…..…..so many……

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    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    Blame democrats, since Zimmerman was registered as one, and probably voted for Obama in 2008.


  79. 79
    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    And here is another link to tonight’s news from Ulsterman. Evidently Mr. Zimmerman should have allowed himself to be beaten to death, and his pistol stolen in the name of fairness. Imagine what creative things Traybanger could have done with a stolen pistol.
    Trayvon a child? The same assholes who try to pass him off as such are the same leaking colostomy bags who want to extend to him the voting franchise. That bastard sounds and looks in later photos like a prime candidate for a 54th term pregnancy termination.

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    Special Ed growls and barks:

    As I said, this little unknown detail is the devil: Who committed the first illegal act, the one they did not have the right to make?

    It is because the police did very little as far as an investigation.

    See, the thing is, if you’re the last man standing, there’s only one side to the story.

    It is a fear that this will cause all of these “Stand Your Ground” laws to be changed if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty.

    Don’t tell me or anyone else what we’re thinking. Fucking ever.

    We have Walter Mitty playing cop with a loaded gun, and an innocent person got killed because of it. These are FACTS.

    Deej, playing Devil’s Advocate is one thing, making up “FACTS” is another. Unless you’re going for Miss Cleo’s gig?

  82. 82
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:


    lyin and pimpin still.

    I’ve been watching Zimmerman’s story since it first emerged.

    Exactly -how- has his story changed? last I knew, zimmerman has said exactly ‘jack’ and ‘shit’ to anyone except the police, and his lawyers.

    So please, enlighten me, how did Zimmerman change his story?

  83. 83
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    I mean, seriously, you’re reminding me of Bahdad Bob.

  84. 84
    Mark12A growls and barks:

    If I parked a bullet into Trayvon, you can damn well believe he was a goblin. Having been through the business of justifiably shooting someone, it is definitely NOT something I would go out of my way to do. On the other hand, having been there, seeing the other guy loaded up into a baggie while I walked away from the scene made me appreciate it wasn’t the other way around.

    And now, the black panthers…and Obama…have provided an excellent justification for leaving the scene without identifying yourself to anyone: I’ll call it the “Street People’s Law Defense.”

    DJ, the only reason you’re coming out this way is because Traybanger was black and Zimmerman was white. You’ve bought into that bullshit sixties report that claimed that all of the black community’s problems are because of no other cause than white racism. Nothing white people do can ever be good, and everything black people do is excusable because of white racism. But I call bullshit on that.

    This to all the anti-American, anti-Constitution libtards, occutards, socialists, progressives, marxists, black panthers, gangbangers of any ethnicity: Enough. We’ve had fuck-all enough. It’s time to take our country back. We’re goddamn sick and tired of you trying to pervert America and turn it into the third-world shithole you or your ancestors came from. We’re tired of paying OUR hard-earned money because you’re too fucking lazy to find employment or get off you lazy asses. Frankly, we couldn’t give a rat’s ass less if you and all the welfare sucking kids you’ve squeezed out for the extra welfare dollars starve to death. Come up MY street with the intent of taking or destroying what I’ve built, and I’ll leave you laying in it.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:


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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    The Man who Despises America


  87. 87
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Obamas attempt to make sure the nation is talking about Trayvon and not the Democratic failed policies that are ruining our country and Obama’s chance of reelection are working. Make no mistake the Democrats feel this is a winning strategy or they would not have put such an effort into it. Expect to see more because the only other option is to run on their record. Let us not be played the fool by those in Washington.

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    ICD growls and barks:

    Like the original blog post said, I wanted to wait until all the facts were in before I tried to pass judgement on an event I neither witnessed, nor had any contextual knowledge of. However, based on Zimmerman’s defense revolving around Martin attacking him, and the video of an apparently unharmed Zimmerman (confirmed by police to be Zimmerman) mere hours after the attack, I can’t buy what he’s selling. I still can’t say what Zimmerman’s motivations for shooting Martin were, but the man very likely made a mistake. I’d argue whether or not it was racially motivated or not is secondary. This was most likely an unjustified homicide, something he’d ideally go to jail for. It looks like a lack of evidence will keep Zimmerman free of prison time (this is the same state that let off Casey Anthony, no less) but I now seriously doubt that he was in the right.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Frankly, I think that George is a Walter Mitty type character who let his role get the best of him. I am sure that he had good intentions and his actions got out of hand and got someone killed. It points out the problem with the law where it doesn’t distinguish between an actual “self-defense” and that were the conflict was instigated or caused by the shooter…

    And I think that Trayvon was a wanna-be superfly gangsta self-identifying as “no_limit_nigga” and “Traybanger” who let his self-image get the best of him. Maybe he had good intentions but he let the whole “black tough guy don’t back down to whitey” get out of hand and he got himself killed. Most of the black guys I ran into in the street depend upon a sense of intimidation and expect white people to be afraid of them. Sucks to be them when they run into someone tougher, more ruthless, or better armed than they are.

  90. 90
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    This thread is still alive? Wow. Must have done something right 😉

    I’m glad that more actual facts are coming in because, yes, I do believe and have believed firmly from the beginning that this case deserves a thorough investigation in order to be fair to all parties. A position that distinguishes me rather markedly from the Usual Suspects of the SCOAMF/Jesse Jackson/Al Sharktongue/Enemy Media race hustling fucknozzles, who knew, beyond a reasonable doubt, exactly what had happened from the very moment the story hit the news, without having to resort to fact #1.

    It must be truly amazing to have those powers.

    A few things I’ve learned from watching this clusterfuck of a miserable failure:

    1) Leftists need to learn that reality isn’t a TV Cop Show. If the DA or ADA tells the PoPo that there isn’t a case to begin with, it is not the PoPo’s sworn duty to say “fuck this noise, I know what happened in spite of me not having been there, so I’m just going to drop everything I’m supposed to be doing in order to pursue this case that I’ve been told is a non-case.” It looks awful good on TV where we’re guaranteed to learn within 45 minutes that there really was a case and that, hey, everything else can wait because Justice Has Been Served™ because my hunches are never, never, ever wrong, actual evidence be damned. But since leftists get everything they know about law enforcement and G-d knows what else from Made For TeeVee™, easily digested 45-minute nuggets of entertainment, I suppose you can’t really blame them for being utterly ignorant of the way the world works. They’re ignorant of that in all other aspects, so why should law enforcement be any different?

    2) The only take-away I get from the “Trayvon was totally justified in punching Zimmerman in the face and slamming his head into the pavement because, well, he was like, you know, threatening and stalking him!” is that the liberal leftists have now adopted the stance that you shouldn’t call the PoPo when you feel threatened and leave them to handle things. As a matter of fact, your first natural and reasonable response to a perceived threat should be to punch the living shit out of the threat. That’s refreshing. Of course, this may only apply when you’re a person of color. I have a feeling that if it had been a “pale face” who’d felt threatened and decided to preemptively curb stomp a colored person, the Narrative™ might have been a bit different. Wait, that’s not just a “feeling.” Wasn’t there a case in NYC years ago where a whitey cracka shot a couple of righteous black folks because he felt threatened in the subway and the entire leftist establishment spent months condemning the outrage?

    Anyway. Old rule: If you’re walking around and you feel threatened, you should call 911 and leave it to the professionals. New rule: If you’re walking around and you feel threatened, you should immediately resort to violence and if anything happens to you in the process, the other party is to blame.

    Have I got that about right?

    3) Hispanics are “Hispanic” when it’s time to pander to them as a group. They’re “white” when you want to bury them because they’ve gotten into a spat with another preferred group of yours that you desperately need the votes of in an election year.

    4) A white cracka posting a hyperbolic comment that he wishes somebody would rearrange the face of a moron with a belt sander is a serious crime that should be investigated immediately. A black fuckhead posting the private address of a completely innocent party so they have to leave their home and live in a hotel because they fear for their lives, not to mention a black terrorist organization putting out a bona fide $10,000 contract on a citizen is “nothing to see here, move along.”

    “If standards are good, obviously double standards must be TWICE as good!”

    Fuck this noise, I’m reloading.

  91. 91
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Fuck this noise, I’m reloading.

    Ditto, the Kimber Stainless Ten II hasn’t left my reach since this whole thing started.

  92. 92
    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    Its just an issue of violating the natoral order of predation. We humans believe it is proper to eat any four-legged creature we think tastes good, but we are horrified if an alligator or lion decides that human tastes good. I buy into that, even as I recognize a certain species hyupocricy about it. But Black gangbangers also seem to think that preying on Whitey (to include Hispanics, Asians and Amerindians) is part of the natural order, but being preyed upon or otherwise harmed is a violation of natural order. Isn’t this principle of Racial superiority, privelege, and predation for one’s own group the essence of what is now called racism, ever since the Majority of White people invented the concept after outgrowing it? Why is racism good and proper for only one racial group but not any of the others? Or should we restore equal “justice” by restoring racism rights to all ethnic groups?

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    Cactus Jack growls and barks:

    Apparently, the honorable (choke) Spike Lee has reached a settlement with the elderly couple that lived at the address Lee erroneously tweeted to the rest of the planet in his attempt to have vigilante justice carried out against Zimmerman. Now, the fat, worthless road hog Rosanne Barr is busy trying to show the rest of the world that she is still relevant to humanity and she is scurrying about tweeting the correct address. Rumor has it that she isn’t being arrested for this because all of the local correctional facilities are afraid their food tray cost would skyrocket should she be incarcerated.

  94. 94
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    Zimmerman has been talking through his surrogates. Joe Oliver, his attorney, his lawyer — ALL have been through the press now.

    Really? I s’pose you have video from all those press conferences, then? You know, where Zimmerman is right there next to all those spokes-folks?

    Oh, and wouldn’t his “attorney” and his “lawyer” be the same person?

    There is also the three different ‘official” statements he made to the cops that night.

    I’d like to see links from all three, if you wouldn’t mind. (Actually, I’d like to see you posting any links to back up anything you’ve said in this thread. Especially the stuff we supposedly KNOW.

    For some reason, I seem to be missing those.)

    Last night Lawrence O’Donnell put together EACH different description of what George has told different people over the past month. It was like listening to four or five different crime scenes.

    Oh, well, now there’s certainly an unimpeachable source.

    Srsly, Deej, what have I told you about that? Don’t you ever learn?

    One of the police statements has Trayvon pinning both his arms down with his knees, a hand over his mouth, and beating him senselessly closed fist with the other for an entire minute. Somehow, he managed to take his pinned arms and pull the gun out of a concealed belt holster behind him and shoot Trayvon in the chest.

    Yeah, well, I tend to think that I could probably kick out of a position like that and reach for my gun, too. Really isn’t that difficult, y’know.

    His father says that George told him that Trayvon had seen the gun and told George that he was going to die tonight.

    Also eminently possible in the sequence. Still don’t see where either you or Lorrilynn O’Donnell are getting this “four or five different crime scenes” bullshit.

    I could go on, but I suspect that all of this will just bounce off of you because you don’t want to hear it.

    Maybe if you weren’t selling out to the notion that Trayvon “No_Limit_Nigga” Martin was as pure as the wind-driven snow, we might be a little more receptive, eh what…?

    As far as that “grainy” video? It is clear enough to see that he didn’t receive injuries consistent with a broken nose, and a bleeding gash on the back of his head. Notice the lack of bandages cotton in the nostrils, blood on his clothing, or even wet grass stains on his back. (it was raining that night)

    Guess you didn’t see this, did you?

    At the scene of the incident, according to a three-page preliminary police report, Zimmerman was given “first aid” by Sanford Fire Department paramedics. It is unclear what that treatment consisted of, and how much time elapsed between the paramedics’ intervention and Zimmerman’s arrival at the Sanford Police Department.

    Yet another Deej meme destroyed…

    Well, at least you attributed your cut and paste comment.

    Gladiator at least posts the occasional link.

    What are you doing? Other than clairvoyantly telling us what we all KNOW, that is?

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Been busy the last few weeks so this is the first chance I’ve had in awhile to peruse The Rott in detail.

    I figured there was going to be a “juicy thread” concerning the Martin/Zimmerman dustup and I wasn’t disappointed.

    It’s amazing how the protagonists morphed in the last week.

    Martin: Innocent little boy skipping down the street eating Skittles to well-meaning teen bringing Skittles home to his brother to 6’3″ 200 lb “gangsta in training”.

    Zimmerman: Crazed white racist to “white” hispanic cop wannabe to “white” hispanic, short, fat, beaten up neighborhood watch captain to “in shape” man wearing similar but not matching cloths then what was reported in the police reports and no visible injuries.

    The last part of the Zimmerman morph description was from that video that ABC pimped out as an “exclusive”.

    I’m a bit skeptical of that video because the time stamp is conspicuously hidden and the person in that video is nowhere near the build of Zimmerman that has been reported and undisputed until now. (i.e. short and 250 lbs.)

    We’ll see. *shrug*

    At any rate, I see DJ is taking his usual “enlightened” stance.

    Bravo! Got to keep us racist knuckle-dragging troglodytes in line.

    I was tempted to pile on but instead I’m just going to suggest he step back and see how it shakes out rather then doubling down on the fast unraveling moonbat/race-pimp meme.

    DJ, I’m telling you. If this shakes out like it’s looking to shake out., the folks here will never, ever let you hear the end of it.

    It’s not worth it.

    Turn off the moonbat teleprompter and race-pimp teletype and see how it unfolds in the coming weeks.

    Just trying to be “Mr. Helper”… 😀

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Darth Venomous @ #:

    Now that’s why I didn’t feel a need to “pile on”. :em05: :em01:

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    “Street Justice” is ugly, mister. You don’t want it!
    I think the baloon’s already gone up.
    Sharpton’s arranging for a tent city in Sanford to “occupy” until he’s worn out this particular john in his race pimping career.
    ‘Gonna’ be a busy spring to the local Gendarmes.

    Such a handy distraction for BS to duck alllll his other problems, national and international. :em08:

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says:

    “Street Justice” is ugly, mister. You don’t want it!
    I think the baloon’s already gone up.

    I think you’re right, sadly.

    Aided, abetted and openly encouraged by the fucking ghetto trash slimebug in the White House. It’s all on the hands of him and his junta. I have prayed and prayed and prayed that it would never come to that, but it appears that it’s what he wants in order to help his stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure ass in November, fuck the costs to our nation and her citizens, so that’s what it going to be.

    Very well then. It is with a heavy heart that I recognize the realities on the ground, I never thought this nation would come to that, but I will have the race hustling, socialist fucks know that, whereas I’m not 20 years old anymore, I’m still heavily armed and not at all a bad shot, if I do say so myself (and I have the metal to prove it), and I have learned how to flip that switch that allows me to use it.

    But before that happens, if that happens, I want the shits who forced it upon us to know that I resent the Hell out of their having done so, because if there is one thing I never wanted to ever say hello to again, it’s The Machine™. But if the safety of my loved ones is on the line, as it appears it’s coming down to.

    Reach for the switch and may G-D have mercy on my soul, because I’ll have none.


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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Street justice is ugly….

    And it runs both ways…….
    I am still waiting, at least on the crickets, waiting to hear some liberal, especially a white liberal, hold these people accountable for themselves rather than blaming everyone else. The guilt trip is running out of steam.
    Of course the libs/moderates created this problem in the first place……..
    I have told others I fear for this country…….and now I feel anger…….

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #132:
    Since I believe he is Jewish, perhaps offending Christian sensibilities is fair game in his lights, though not mine. But there is so much else troubloesome as wel about the private citizen, such as his presistent fondness for any and all anti-social behaviors and characters. It strongly suggests that he also is a sociopath. Those of us who have been Rotties for a few years might remember that Deej has threatened physical violence against Rotties on occasion, including one of the mods. Several times he has been suspended, or left the site, most recently only a few months ago, when he said he was going for good. But he always returns after a brief hiatus. He is sort of like a case of cyber-AIDS, of which we cannot be rid.

  101. 101
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says:

    Since I believe he is Jewish, perhaps offending Christian sensibilities is fair game in his lights, though not mine. But there is so much else troubloesome as wel about the private citizen, such as his presistent fondness for any and all anti-social behaviors and characters. It strongly suggests that he also is a sociopath. Those of us who have been Rotties for a few years might remember that Deej has threatened physical violence against Rotties on occasion, including one of the mods. Several times he has been suspended, or left the site, most recently only a few months ago, when he said he was going for good. But he always returns after a brief hiatus. He is sort of like a case of cyber-AIDS, of which we cannot be rid.

    Misha, when is Enough, ENOUGH??

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Correction, that’s TWO “hoodies” in Bush’s district, not just one.