Meanwhile, In Leftist La La Land

More specifically Ed Schulz’ largely unwatched show, Sandra Fluke is bravely refusing to be “silenced.”

Really? She was being “silenced?” Seems to us that no matter what news channel we turned to, no matter what website we clicked to, there she was, bleating and baaing about how her hyperactive sex life is bankrupting her with birth control costs above $1,000/year, insisting that it was her right to have somebody else pay for her contraceptive measures so she could continue to enjoy opening her thighs for every wandering penis traveling within 10 miles of her.

The only one who is actually being “silenced”, or at least attempted silenced, is Rush Limbaugh who made the cardinal sin of suggesting that maybe, just maybe obsessive-compulsively fucking yourself into bankruptcy was a bit sluttish.

Ace, helpfully, did a bit of research into the necessarily sky-rocketing prices of contraceptive aids in the Georgetown area and found, with little effort, that a whole month’s supply of the pill amounts to the ghastly sum of $9. Over the counter, no insurance coverage needed. Which, given Slutty Fluke’s statements about the harrowing sum she had to find among the shekels buried under her, no doubt, severely worn sofa cushions given her predilections, translates to about 9.25 packs of one-month supplies a month. Here’s a hint, Sandra dearest: You take one a day, not one every time you open the gates of paradise to yet another hapless stranger snared in your nymphomaniac web.

But no matter, Rush had to be crushed for daring to say something about the Latest Leftist Media Victim™, so the MMFA machine went into high dudgeon, trying to get his show off the air by bullying his advertisers because, to leftists, free speech is all about… Shut UP!

Yet there she is, now a martyr to the left bravely refusing to be silenced when, judging from the media time she’s getting, the only things being silenced are her otherwise hyperactive labia.

Oh, and don’t even get us started on how the “innocent, 23-year-old student” turned out to actually be a 30-year-old professional leftist activist who deliberately chose Georgetown because they don’t cover contraception, thinking she could stir up some shit about that later.

We’re not quite sure what’s most disgusting here. The utterly predictable manufactured leftist outrage du jour or the limp-wristed, spineless “conservatives” once again rolling over and apologizing for having done nothing wrong when the proper answer to the Alinsky tactics of the left is and always will be:

BITE ME, YOU SICK, SOCIALIST FUCK!

Thatisall.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I just read that Carbonite, an online backup service that I use is no longer going to advertise on Rush’s show. However, they have no problem with advertising on Ed Schultz’s show and he has referred to Laura Ingraham as a slut.

    I didn’t select the product due to Rush, and I really can’t drop it in a boycott. However I think we can apply a little heat to the CEO by asking him why they are engaging in corporate hypocrisy by backing the loudmouth commie and not the Patriotic American.
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    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    The delicious irony of this intellectual whore going on the Ed Schultz Show.

    What was the topic “The proper way to call a woman a ‘slut’” .

    The hypocrisy and double standard go without saying.

    What also seems to go without saying is the White House and their henchmen attack private citizens by name and the media goes on it’s merry way saying nothing about this Nixonian attempt to silence their enemies.

    This woman is a dishonest c*** as are the rest of the NDSWP and the MSM in the whole way this agenda is being pursued. She has stated publicly that she was going to force this as she is quoted as saying that she wasn’t going to trade off her reproductive health. Sorry you deceitful hussy life’s full of trade offs especially when your chosen lifestyle collides with someone else constitutional right.

    Again, the President violated the highest law of the land by decreeing that the religious violate their faith to remain square with the law but now the media morphs that into a sob story that this disingenuous trollop made up out of whole cloth to support the phony narrative . His “accomodation” was every bit as mendacious as he thinks somehow God given rights are subject to negotiation. They are negotiable if he thinks, in his own convoluted brain, that he is God.

    We truly are living with Orwellian newspeak as not subsidizing someones desire for free products becomes denial of access, criticism of speech of a citizen by another citizen becomes silencing the citizen, the selective persecution by the government of private citizen becomes “just politics” and the desire to have commodities provided free of charge is elevated above the actual God given right to conscience.

    We have always been at war with Afghanistan.

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    LC FX Phillips growls and barks:

    But no matter, Rush had to be crushed for daring to say something about the Latest Leftist Media Victim™, so the MMFA machine went into high dudgeon, trying to get his show off the air by bullying his advertisers

    Shutting him up is not as easy as they think as he has a subscriber base to fall back on as well. If he ever does reach the point where he feels he doesn’t need advertisers I think the left may rue the day they fucked with him.

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    Between Jabba The Schultz™ and that little fuckstick Maher, they’ve called Sara Palin, the ‘c’ word and slut on numerous occasions. The ultimate hypocrisy is for Slut to appear on a show with Schultz and the left doesn’t even see it.

    More proof that the Left knows no limits to their hypocrisy and demagogues their disease in an effort to attribute their disease onto conservatives.
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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I did a little research on possible competitors for Carbonite. It’s one thing to say “Boycott!” but if people need the service, you should have an alternative ready to give them.

    I found one.

    http://www.backblaze.com/

    I haven’t had any time to check them out, but they seem to be doing the same thing as Carbonite. They are based in California, while Carbonite is in Boston. (Close enough to me that if I wanted to I could hand deliver my cancellation to the CEO) :em07:

    If back blaze has any business sense, even if they are politically liberal, they will call Limbaugh’s people up and say they want to advertise on the show.
    :em01:

    Better yet, Limbaugh could give them some free advertising and shove a stick in the eye of Carbonite.
    :em05:
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    dasbow growls and barks:

    I don’t know. Seems to me the only way you could silence someone more than having them on Ed Schultz’s show would be to put the on Keef Olberdouche’s old show.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Angry Webmaster…
    I think another option is MozyPro, but I can’t search it through my firewall.

    Meanwhile, if you find an email address or a phone number for the Chief Executive Douchebag of Carbonite, how about posting it? I’d like to tell him what I think about him.

    And does it come as a surprise to ANYONE with a body-temperature IQ that this was a manufactured narrative, gobbled up by the MSM?

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Here is the page on Carbonite for all the corporate officers:

    http://www.carbonite.com/en/about/company/leadership

    No direct line to the CEO’s office, of course but here is the contact information for the corporate HQ:

    Corporate Headquarters
    177 Huntington Avenue
    Boston, MA 02115
    Main Office: 617-587-1100
    Toll Free: 877-665-4466

    I would simply and politely ask to be connected to the CEO’s office and then leave a polite message asking why they support Ed Schultz and Not Rush.

    Remember, we are NOT liberals. (Mostly) Be polite and say thank you for your time.
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    harvey growls and barks:

    If her trojan budget is large enough for a troop ship, well I guess she IS a slut. Or a milking machine.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Well SLUT SANDRA, lets just see. Discount Condom King sells 100 Condoms for $22.95. (We assume you know that the pill WONT prevent STDs, and the number of times you are boinking thats a BIG concern.) Taking your $3000 over three years divided by $22.95 equals 130 100 count orders, or 13,000 condoms . Divide that by three years is 4,333 men per year or 11.87 MEN PER DAY.

    YOU ARE A SLUT !

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    harvey growls and barks:

    Wait! Wait! You forgot to include the cost of a Virginia baked ham and a tube of poligrip! At 11+ men a day, she’ll have to have her c**t relined once a day. Douche with the poligrip, shove in the ham and pull the bone out.

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    LC George, Apocryphal Prophet growls and barks:

    At what point can a woman lose the right to choose what goes on in her womb, by virtue of it being recognized as accessible to the public?
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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #:

    How does she find the time to go to law school? Oh yeah, she’s a slut so she’s performing her rutting with the professors in addition to her selling it on 14th and K.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    I posted this also in the Zombie Apocolypse thread:
    Rush should not have apologized. The woman is either a fucking liar or a fucking slut, or both. She claims that it would cost her $3000 for contraception in the 6 years of he college carreer. Besides the fact that every University I know of provides condoms for free through the student health center, every county health department also gives away condoms. Thus the cost to the lying slut for contraception for the duration of time she is in school: ZERO! Now, assume the stupid lying slut decides to purchase her own condoms. Buying them in the 36 pack at walmart costs as little as 38.8 cents each. So, $3000 would purchase 7732 condoms. Assuming 6 years of school, that is 1289 condoms per year, or 3.5 condoms per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year. The girl is a lying fucking slut. But, then, what can you expect from a lib?

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    One only hopes she would read these messages. Of course, being a slutty libtard, she avoids anything that might contaminate her mind with “truth” like she would avoid an unwanted pregnancy.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Remember that copulation among unmarried people that requires birth control used to be called fornication; now they call it recreational sex. But it’s called “recreational” for a reason.
    It’s done for recreation.

    So the question is, why should taxpayers be forced to fund someone’s salacious conception of recreation? Hey, pay for my golf, too, okay? That can be expensive also

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    HEY SLUT SANDRA- Ive done your homework for you try these websites

    condomdepot.com 100 condoms for $29

    Discountcondomking.com 100 for $22.95

    undercovercondom.com 1000 condoms for $59.99 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (on your budget, thats 45.67 men per day !!!)

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #:

    Well SLUT SANDRA, lets just see. Discount Condom King sells 100 Condoms for $22.95. (We assume you know that the pill WONT prevent STDs, and the number of times you are boinking thats a BIG concern.) Taking your $3000 over three years divided by $22.95 equals 130 100 count orders, or 13,000 condoms . Divide that by three years is 4,333 men per year or 11.87 MEN PER DAY.

    YOU ARE A SLUT !

    I hope you don’t mind, I just borrowed this, with full attribution, and put it on a posting I just uploaded.
    :em01:
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Is Ms Fluk, fluking too much?

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Really? She was being “silenced?” Seems to us that no matter what news channel we turned to, no matter what website we clicked to, there she was, bleating and baaing about how her hyperactive sex life is bankrupting her with birth control costs above $1,000/year, insisting that it was her right to have somebody else pay for her contraceptive measures so she could continue to enjoy opening her thighs for every wandering penis traveling within 10 miles of her.

    This is a complete misrepresentation of what she actually testified to, and had you or Rush Limpballs actually LISTENED to what she said, you would realize that her testimony wasn’t about HER, but instead she was the spokesperson for an entire group of women who were NOT seeking contraception coverage for sexual exploits as much as they were seeking if for legitimate medical issues.

    Before you read any further, I strongly suggest you read the transcript.

    She wasn’t talking about herself, Misha, but as a representative for hundreds of women who wanted their stories and concerns to be put on a public record, since the legislation dealt with THEIR health concerns. She wasn’t even talking about sex or sexual activity.

    For all of that Rush Limbaugh — like so many of you here — chose to make this extremely ugly.

    It is one thing to oppose the idea of contraception, or whatever else you wish to oppose. But for fucks sake, Misha, this is someone’s daughter, who didn’t come to speak in public about her own personal sexual habits, but about women’s health issues. She told the stories of other women who have experienced serious health issues and the struggle and hardships that they have had to go through because they have been denied access to certain aspects of health care.

    Again, you don’t have to agree with her position, but to call her a slut, a prostitute, and a whore, and then demand that she make videos of her sexual encounters for people like Rush to watch? Nobody here finds that going just a bit too far?

    This is no longer about whether a business or church should or shouldn’t provide contraception to women, this is about how ugly one person can be towards another person else simply because they have an opinion or viewpoint that differs from their own.

    LC Jackboot IC/A says:

    Between Jabba The Schultz™ and that little fuckstick Maher, they’ve called Sara Palin, the ‘c’ word and slut on numerous occasions. The ultimate hypocrisy is for Slut to appear on a show with Schultz and the left doesn’t even see it.

    JB, you brought up Ed Shultz. A year ago, Shultz called Laura Ingraham a “Talk Slut”. He said it once, and that was it. He didn’t spend three straight days doubling down and expanding on it like Rush did. For the use of that one word that one time on his RADIO show, MSNBC suspended him for a week. Just prior to serving his suspension, he had on on air and offered a full apology to Ingraham without any justifications or excuses. He called his remarks “vile” and “inappropriate” and said, “I apologize to you, Laura, and ask for your forgiveness. .?.?. I have embarrassed my family, I have embarrassed this company. This is the lowest of low for me.”

    Unlike Rush, he didn’t try to make justifications, or claim he “chose the wrong words”, or even claim that he wasn’t trying to personally attack Ingraham. No, instead he made a very personal apology to her and she accepted it.

    Since then, Ed Shultz has changed the way he talks about people, and will come down hard on callers who talk bad about them. Every now and then he will bring up the Laura Ingraham thing to say how wrong he was and how easy it was to get carried away.

    Does he still get mad at people? You bet ya. But he doesn’t get ugly about it. Anger is a good thing. Ugliness takes it too far.

    And Misha, there are birth control pills, and there are birth control pills. They aren’t M&Ms and there are many different ones. The fact that you can find a month’s supply for a couple of bucks doesn’t mean that they are what every woman needs. Some DO cost more. My wife was spending $85 a month for hers and she wasn’t taking them to prevent pregnancy. (her tubes were tied)

    There are other costs connected to reproductive health than contraception. The complaint a lot of these women have isn’t just for the contraception it is for the entire spectrum of reproductive health coverage.

    Now on to the comments of the mental giants of this debate…

    LC Gladiator says:

    Well SLUT SANDRA, lets just see. Discount Condom King sells 100 Condoms for $22.95. (We assume you know that the pill WONT prevent STDs, and the number of times you are boinking thats a BIG concern.) Taking your $3000 over three years divided by $22.95 equals 130 100 count orders, or 13,000 condoms . Divide that by three years is 4,333 men per year or 11.87 MEN PER DAY.

    YOU ARE A SLUT !

    You do realize that this isn’t about condoms, don’t you? Nor is it about sex. One of the women Ms. Fluke talked about is a lesbian — she wasn’t concerned about getting pregnant, nor would she need a condom. Again, I urge you to go read the actual transcript to learn what it was she was talking about.

    angrywebmaster says:

    I just read that Carbonite, an online backup service that I use is no longer going to advertise on Rush’s show. However, they have no problem with advertising on Ed Schultz’s show and he has referred to Laura Ingraham as a slut.

    Have you read the message from David Friend about why he pulled his ad? Here is what he said:

    No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady. Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse.

    First of all, Carbonite, like the eight other advertisers that have pulled their ads from Rush’s show, also advertise on almost every other talk radio show Left or Right. They do so because they are trying to make money, and it is important to them to have as much exposure to the population as possible. So it means that if they have to come to a decision to pull their ad from a particular show — especially one with as much exposure as Rush’s show, that they don’t make that decision lightly.

    Carbonite CEO David Friend weighed his business with his conscience, and guess what, his conscience won out. You notice that he wasn’t making a judgment call on the issue, he made it solely on the actions of Rush Limbaugh. He pictured his daughter in place of Ms. Fluke and felt that he couldn’t in good conscience be associated with this ugliness.

    Other advertisers came to a similar conclusion, where they didn’t want their products associated with these kinds of toxic comments.

    Yes, Ed Shultz called Laura Ingraham a “talk slut” once. He lost a few advertisers for a while, and they came back once they found that he had changed his ways and the public temperature had dropped back down. You have to understand that they are in business to make money, NOT to have their brand attached to some toxic media. I think you will find that MOST businesses are NOT in business to make a political statement.

    When this dies down — and it will — these advertisers will probably return.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Let’s show the Communist Left how we feel. Send Sandra a condom today:

    Sandra Fluke
    c/o Georgetown University Law Center
    600 New Jersey Ave., N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20001

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Now on to the comments of the mental giants of this debate…

    Once again DJ descends into personal attacks rather than making his “point”

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Again, you don’t have to agree with her position, but to call her a slut, a prostitute, and a whore, and then demand that she make videos of her sexual encounters for people like Rush to watch? Nobody here finds that going just a bit too far?

    If you listened to Rush, you would know he often illustrates ABSURDITY by being ABSURD.

    Flucks point was ABSURD

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Curiously, DJ isnt defending Bill Maher.

    Mahers comments on Palin, Malkin, Bachmann, Rush and Cheney far exceed these . Typical leftist hypocracy

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    There are other costs connected to reproductive health than contraception. The complaint a lot of these women have isn’t just for the contraception it is for the entire spectrum of reproductive health coverage.

    Another straw dog here. No way “A LOT” of women take the pills NOT for contraception. A total RARITY.
    Thats the same lie as the Libs claiming MANY abortions are for the “HEALTH” of the mother. Pure BS

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    Actually I read about it on the Jeffrey Lord column on the American Spectator this morning. I don’t read David Frum.

    I was surprised regarding the political affiliations of these CEO’s.
    :em03:
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    She talked specifically about what a special burden it was for her, and her girl law student associates, to pay 3,000 dollars during her and their law school careers to pay for their birth control pills. She talked specifically about working all summer on an internship to pay for her pills.
    She wants other people to support her sexual needs. What does that make her?
    And she wants to have unprotected sex, exposing herself to all sorts of STDs. That makes her stupid.
    I feel sorry for her parents. They must be as shamed as parents could be, with their loudmouthed daughter blabbing about her needs on national tv.
    But if she is promiscuous, it would take some serious beer goggles, at closing time, for a lad to want to do her. Just saying…

    Let’s see? What do you call a woman who wants someone else to pay for her getting laid? Rush apologized because he’s a good and decent man who had some reservations about the language he used.
    Ms Fluke I suggest that if you cannot afford your own birth control you best refrain from the activity that requires it.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    This is a complete misrepresentation of what she actually testified to, and had you or Rush Limpballs actually LISTENED to what she said, you would realize that her testimony wasn’t about HER, but instead she was the spokesperson for an entire group of women who were NOT seeking contraception coverage for sexual exploits as much as they were seeking if for legitimate medical issues.

    Sure. I certainly did hear that bit where she pulled her “study” out of her arse and wanted me to believe that 40% of her co-students were going bankrupt because they needed contraception for “health reasons”.

    I’d like to see that study of hers (identities of the participants redacted, of course, as they’re not relevant). I’d like to see her methodology, her numbers, the “medical reasons other than having sex” given and, finally, how they managed to not get coverage if it really was for “medical reasons other than having sex” because, last I checked, no insurance company denies those claims. There’s even a special code for that that you use on the insurance claim form.

    And, having worked in the medical field for most of my professional life, I still get a good chuckle when I hear the old “you see, I have this friend who has this problem… Not ME, mind you, it’s this friend of mine…” :em05:

    *Ding!* No sale.

    And yes, when somebody, and I don’t care WHO they are, stands up and delivers a load of obvious bullshit as a justification for ME having to pay for THEIR lifestyle, then I WILL get ugly. Heck, I haven’t even gotten started yet. I don’t take kindly to attempted robbery.
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    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    Wouldn’t it be cheaper on the cum dumpster if she just made her fuck buddies buy T3h Rubb3rz? Would certainly be safer for the guys, or is she trying to say she spends over $1,000/year on T3h Rubb3rz? Hell, you cab get a 48 pack for about $20. Holy shit! That averages to 2,380 sexual encounters each year! that’s a minimum of 6.5 screws a day. Wow ….. just WOW! Nymphomaniac only begins to describe it. If you count out about 5 days a month for her menstruation the number goes to 7.8! So, you could guess that there are dry days, so that number changes again. She really has trouble keeping those thighs together.

    Someone should hit that cum-burpin’ gutter-slut with those numbers! I’m no statistician, just tossing the numbers I found around.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    Once again DJ descends into personal attacks rather than making his “point”

    It seems like the only language you understand. When in Rome, and all that.

    LC Gladiator says:

    If you listened to Rush, you would know he often illustrates ABSURDITY by being ABSURD.

    Flucks point was ABSURD

    I have listened to Rush. I even listened to his recent comments on Ms. Fluke. They weren’t justified at all.

    You parroting Rush’s “apology” by making the claim that he was only attempting humor by addressing “absurdity” by being absurd, only shows that you STILL haven’t bothered to read what Ms. Fluke actually said.

    Clue: She wasn’t talking about herself at all, NOR was she talking about sex. The only absurdity is you and Rush who think it was.

    LC Gladiator says:

    Curiously, DJ isnt defending Bill Maher.

    Because I am not familiar with what Bill Maher said. It would be nice to actually KNOW a topic before one defends or condemns it. But I notice that hasn’t stopped you.

    But I DID talk about Ed Shultz, because I am familiar with what he said and the events surrounding it. He was out of line, he readily admitted to it, offered his apology, and most importantly CHANGED HIS BEHAVIOR.

    I think the point is here that it doesn’t matter WHO called WHO a slut or prostitute or whatever, IT IS WRONG. If Bill Maher did so, then there is nothing to defend, is there? He would be in the wrong.

    LC Gladiator says:

    Another straw dog here. No way “A LOT” of women take the pills NOT for contraception. A total RARITY.
    Thats the same lie as the Libs claiming MANY abortions are for the “HEALTH” of the mother. Pure BS

    And you are an expert?

    angrywebmaster says:

    Actually I read about it on the Jeffrey Lord column on the American Spectator this morning. I don’t read David Frum.

    You needed to read a particular columnist for the actual transcript of what she said? I haven’t read anyone’s column explaining what she said, I just read HER words.

    In NO WAY did anything she said warrant such an ugly personal attack like what Rush did, and judging from the continuation of the theme of sex and condoms here, (and what you wrote on your site) it is pretty clear that you never really read what she said.

    Like I said, it is one thing to have and voice an opinion on the subject of contraception and whether it should be required in a health insurance plan, but it is a completely other thing to characterize someone as a “slut” and insinuating that she is having sex all day every day and that she should send videos to Rush for him to jack off to.

    I also find it interesting that there are very few women here defending what Rush said.

    LC Gladiator @ #27:

    Then you obviously didn’t read it. NO WHERE is she talking about herself, or her desires sexual or otherwise.

    Quit being lazy. READ IT.
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    Shaitana growls and barks:

    Let’s show the Communist Left how we feel. Send Sandra a condom today:

    Sandra Fluke
    c/o Georgetown University Law Center
    600 New Jersey Ave., N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20001

    Do they need to be UNused when sent?

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    Lady H growls and barks:

    And yes, when somebody, and I don’t care WHO they are, stands up and delivers a load of obvious bullshit as a justification for ME having to pay for THEIR lifestyle, then I WILL get ugly. Heck, I haven’t even gotten started yet. I don’t take kindly to attempted robbery.

    pWNd!!!

    Amen, Sire.

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    Iacobus growls and barks:

    To add to the subject of birth control as hormonal therapy: Isn’t the general consensus in the medical world that prescribing something like birth control pills for hormonal therapy is not a good idea, mostly because of the higher risks associated with taking the pill itself? I thought they had hormonal therapy pills specifically for that purpose?

    Or am I being too pedantic? (Or seeing right through a liberal’s attempt at smokescreening what they really want, which is getting a religious institution to pay for them to fuck around.)

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    BigDogg growls and barks:

    This whole thread, and Rush’s apology, and Rush’s statements in the first place, all demonstrate the successful distraction tactics of the left. Rush got sucked into it, now you have too.

    Now we know why Zero mandated that Catholic operations provide health care “services” that go against their religion … so that George Suckacockulus and the rest of the Obama-worshiping media could use that controversy as a springboard to start banging their sippie cups and stomping their feet about contraception and “women’s health” issues.

    Stare at the birdie on 0′s right hand while he’s stabbing you in the back with his left hand.

    Meanwhile … Jugears is fiddling (more like diddling) while Rome burns regarding: this country’s fuel prices and long-term energy supplies, double digit unemployment and inflation (yes, it’s here), non-enforcement of immigration laws, illegal and unconstitutional policing activities by the ADMINISTRATIVE TSA, nuclear Iran, economic Armageddon in Europe, pointless endangerment of US armed forces in ungrateful and worthless goat-fucking Asscrackistan, …… etc., ad infinitum.

    All of this shit … ALL OF IT … is infinitely more relevant to the election and infinitely more important to our children and grandchildren’s future than who can or cannot or should or should not pay for prophylactics for GROWN FUCKING ADULTS.

    Yet, here we are talking about about Suzie Twatberry and whether or not she’s a slut and whether or not it’s appropriate to call a slut a slut.

    Wake the fuck up, people …

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    dasbow growls and barks:

    Seems that Sandra Flack is a shill for the Angry Feminist Left. I mean, who else goes to a Catholic school with the express purpose of forcing them to violate their beliefs? I guess she really is a whore, just not the kind we first thought.

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    M167A1 growls and barks:

    “If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.”

    Don’t think we are doing so hot…

  38. 38
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Because I am not familiar with what Bill Maher said. It would be nice to actually KNOW a topic before one defends or condemns it.

    In response to the media firestorm surrounding Rush Limbaugh’s insulting comments about Democratic activist Sandra Fluke (comments for which Limbaugh apologized), Kirsten Powers writes about the liberal men who have used misogynistic rhetoric without facing the same outrage. Powers notes that “the grand pooh-bah of media misogyny is without a doubt Bill Maher—who also happens to be a favorite of liberals—who has given $1 million to President Obama’s super PAC.” She continues:

    Maher has called Palin a “dumb twat” and dropped the C-word in describing the former Alaska governor. He called Palin and Congresswoman Bachmann “boobs” and “two bimbos.” He said of the former vice-presidential candidate, “She is not a mean girl. She is a crazy girl with mean ideas.” He recently made a joke about Rick Santorum’s wife using a vibrator. Imagine now the same joke during the 2008 primary with Michelle Obama’s name in it, and tell me that he would still have a job. Maher said of a woman who was harassed while breast-feeding at an Applebee’s, “Don’t show me your tits!” as though a woman feeding her child is trying to flash Maher. (Here’s a way to solve his problem: don’t stare at a strangers’ breasts). Then, his coup de grâce: “And by the way, there is a place where breasts and food do go together. It’s called Hooters!”

    Former White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton, the man who runs Obama’s super PAC, did not reply when asked if he will be returning Maher’s $1 million donation.

  39. 39
    The Watcher growls and barks:

    If she’d been buying condoms, I figured out that she could be having sex 4 times a day, every day, all year long, for a grand a year.

    Sex four times a day, every day…can we say ‘non-productive member of society’?

    Although, the more I think of it, it might be worth it to pay for these liberal harpies’ contraceptives, if it would reduce the liberal population within a year or two.

  40. 40
    LC Proud Infidel growls and barks:

    Yeah, El Rushbo should have asked if she was a “Madam of the Brothel”, that would be the only reason she would need that kind of money for birth control. $3K+ for birth control? That’s more than enough for an entire Third World whorehouse!!

    LYING, TWO-FACED SLUT would be a much more fitting title for her! :em07:

  41. 41
    The Lone Haranguer growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    Before you read any further, I strongly suggest you read the transcript.

    It was painful, but I did. :em05: There are some things that make me go :em03:

    Why all the focus on the contraception?

    “When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.

    “I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan.

    “A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries.

    But the article’s own link says this:

    What is the treatment for PCOS?
    There is no cure for PCOS, but many of the symptoms can often be managed. It is important to have PCOS diagnosed and treated early to help prevent associated problems.
    There are medications that can help control the symptoms, such as birth control pills to regulate menstruation, reduce androgen levels, and clear acne.

    It doesn’t say anything about preventing the cysts from forming or growing in the first place.

    The school providing a health plan at all was news to me. Is it included in the tuition? Shouldn’t someone smart enough to go to law school in the first place have read the agreement to see what is or is not covered? Shouldn’t some treatment of the PCOS have been covered, since it prevents fertility?

    I’m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ

    What the fuck is reproductive justice?

  42. 42
    LC Scott growls and barks:

    If it’s costing her 3000k a year then she set her prices too low. ( she got the woman’s study’s down but obviously she failed economics 101)
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  43. 43
    Erbo growls and barks:

    Let’s clear up one thing that Limbaugh was definitely wrong about.

    Fluke is not a prostitute.

    A prostitute convinces you to pay her to have sex with you, in a transaction that is, ideally, “fair value given for value received.”

    Fluke, however, wants all of us (via taxes, extracted at gunpoint) to pay for her ability to have sex with people that are not us. This is redistributive socialism of the worst sort, and is offensive not only to Catholics, but to anyone who feels that the best way for her to avoid these expenses is for her to put a birth-control pill between her knees and keep her goddamn knees together!

    There’s no “fair value given for value received” here. Except, maybe, to the whores and thieves in the government. All the rest of us get the shaft–and not in the good way.

  44. 44
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Resident Contradictor, gushed:

    Carbonite CEO David Friend weighed his business with his conscience, and guess what, his conscience won out. You notice that he wasn’t making a judgment call on the issue, he made it solely on the actions of Rush Limbaugh. He pictured his daughter in place of Ms. Fluke and felt that he couldn’t in good conscience be associated with this ugliness.

    The aforementioned J. Lord article puts paid to this notion. Mr. Fiend turns out to be a nice left-leaning backer of AintNeverGonnaMoveOn.org-spawned, $oro$-approved gangs. :em04:

    Sandra “The Slut” Fluke may have done us a service, anyway, by giving us a new cuss word. Since she evidently prefers to pronounce “Fluke” as “Fluck,” I plan to flukin’ use her name when ranting about flukers who fluke! :em01:

  45. 45
  46. 46
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    You do realize that this isn’t about condoms, don’t you? Nor is it about sex. One of the women Ms. Fluke talked about is a lesbian — she wasn’t concerned about getting pregnant, nor would she need a condom. Again, I urge you to go read the actual transcript to learn what it was she was talking about.

    And as proof , DJ the disingenious, offers up…………………………………………….Little Green Footballs !! ROFLMAOPIMP

  47. 47
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    In short, if it were up to me, Fluke would be looking for a new venue to finish her studies. The moment people believe that they possess a right to impose costs on others, or force them to suspend their adherence to their own beliefs, a line has been crossed. Fluke has no right to an education, and no right to contraception at the expense of others, either in cash, or in terms of quashing their beliefs. This is one more reason why the law known as Obamacare must be overturned. Limbaugh offered to buy her all the aspirin she needs, but I think we should let nature run its course. She has no right to expect nature to be suspended on her behalf, and yet that is the actual aim of her testimony. In the end, what Fluke demands is a government gun aimed at religious institutions to compel them to provide the coverage she wants. That’s socialism, and in the end, this is really the heart of the matter.

    SANDRA IS A SLUT

  48. 48
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Call For The FCC To Remove Bill Maher

    Bill Maher’s derogatory statements have gone far enough and nobody is holding him accountable.

    He called former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin a C*** and there was not a peep from the mainstream media. There was no apology from HBO.

    If those who oppose Rush Limbaugh are going to make a petition to pull him off the air for one derogatory thing he said. It only makes sense that we actually pull people off the air who add nothing to the national dialogue but derogatory and inflammatory language.

    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/call-fcc-remove-bill-maher/lcLKynvN?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

  49. 49
    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Just for laughs, I sent this letter off…

    David Friend, Chief Executive Officer
    Carbonite
    Corporate Headquarters
    177 Huntington Avenue
    Boston, MA 02115

    This letter is to express my feelings at the recent dropping of your sponsorship of Rush Limbaugh for what you consider to be good, sound reasons, plus your evident hypocrisy in your choices of programs to sponsor.
    Perhaps Rush did refer to the “Georgetown Law Student” as a “slut”. However, let’s consider the circumstances. Depending upon the modality selected, $3000 over three years would be a sufficient amount of birth control pills for about nine women. Why Ms. Fluke would require nine birth control doses is a matter for speculation. If, on the other hand, she were purchasing condoms, she could easily buy, with the same $3000, sufficient condoms for her to have intercourse with up to 11 men per day, every day, for three years. This amount of sexual frequency, at least in my social circle, can be aptly and appropriately described as “sluttish behavior”.
    Further, she is not an innocent, 23-year old law student. She is a 30 year old female activist who specifically selected Georgetown Law School because of their refusal to provide contraception, as it is a Catholic school and contraception falls squarely within their religious proscriptions. In other words, she deliberately set out on this course of action with the intent to complain about their religious choices. This makes her, at the very least, a “media whore.”
    As to your hypocrisy, Ed Schultz of MSNBC has referred to Sarah Palin, on several occasions, as a “cunt”. And yet, there is no apparent intention from Carbonite to withdraw from sponsorship of that fine example of American journalistic integrity.
    While I’ve been sufficiently pleased with your service…I have two accounts…I find myself wondering if I can justify continuing my subscription after it expires. I believe that I shall express my concerns to all my friends, relatives, and co-workers who have the same feelings about fairness that I have.
    While your decision to withdraw sponsorship from Rush Limbaugh while keeping your relationship with MSNBC may be considered a “business decision”, so will be my decision as to whether or not to continue with Carbonite.

    Respectfully,

    I expect nothing in response, but this is going on the Facebook “Boycott Carbonite” page.

  50. 50
    LibraryGryffon growls and barks:

    If you actually read the transcript, Ms. Fluke actually admitted that the health plan made available to students by Georgetown does indeed cover “the pill” if it is prescribed for medical rather than prophylactic purposes. They do require a few hoops to be jumped through, but they do cover it.

    And yes, there are other ways to manage PCOS in addition to the pill, and for many women, they work as well without the potential side effects. (I took the pill for quite a few years, mostly so I didn’t throw up/pass out on a regular basis, and it nearly lost me the sight in one eye.)

    One thing that no one has asked in these discussions is this: If the Jesuits caved, and asked the insurance company they work with to change to a free contraceptive plan, how much would the students (who pay the full cost) find their monthly premiums go up? I would suspect that it be rather more than the price of the generic pill without insurance, which seems to run from $9 up to about $25. Since it’s “free!” most students would probably ask for the latest and greatest, running costs up even more. So those who either don’t use hormonal birth control, (like the guys), or who do, and are quite happy with the $9 generics, are going to find their pockets being picked to make Ms. Fluke and her friends happy.

    Of course this has also lowered (if possible) my opinion of Ms. Fluke’s future as a lawyer. Because the argument that because some women had trouble convincing the insurer that they needed BCPs for medical reasons, the insurers need to give BCPs to everyone free of charge for anything. I certainly fail to see why the second is a logical response to and remedy for the first.

  51. 51
    LibraryGryffon growls and barks:

    Didn’t we used to have an edit button?

    So that the last paragraph makes sense:

    Of course this has also lowered (if possible) my opinion of Ms. Fluke’s future as a lawyer. Her argument seems to be that because some women had trouble convincing the insurer that they needed BCPs for medical reasons, the insurers need to give BCPs to all women free of charge for contraception. I certainly fail to see why the second is a logical response to and remedy for the first.

  52. 52
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    . But for fucks sake, Misha, this is someone’s daughter, who didn’t come to speak in public about her own personal sexual habits, but about women’s health issues.

    And of course the nasty terms thrown at the Bush twins (also someones daughters) were actively opposed by DJ and the left , right?

    (crickets chirping)

    To say nothing about the lefts outrage over comment about Palin, Malkin, Bachman, Palins kids, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter etc.

    (more crickets)

    Fucking two faced slime balls.

  53. 53
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Obama called for civility and that he would “lead by example ” today in his presser

    Barack, Why aren’t there apologies from Julian Bond, Richard Cohen, Matthew Yglessias and many others to Andrew Breitbart’s family for the disgusting remarks they made after his passing?

  54. 54
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    What is President Doofus going to do when he is out of office in January?
    a. Go back and pretend to be a Perfesser.
    b. Replace Wright as pastor of the I Hate Whiteys Church.
    c. Get VP gig with GE.
    d. Get elected as Govenor of Illinois.
    e. Prepare for the congressional investigations of his cesspool.

  55. 55
    LC Robohobo growls and barks:

    BiggDogg – Precisely!

    They have us playing their game then they WIN!

    Boo-Yah!

    Hey, everybody. What a DJ? There are comments mentioning but I don’t see it’s posts.

    We need to start treating the Libtards as they do us. As sub-humans.
    :em04:

  56. 56
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    BIGDOGG is right: this kind of “controversy” (always about sex so they can call us joy-killers, prudes, woman-haters, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum) is simply. . .

    …THE MECHANICAL RABBIT GOING AROUND THE DOG TRACK, while we greyhounds yap and yip and gallop after it, to the amusement of the bettors.

    IOW, it’s all a DISTRACTION, people. Quite deliberate. And the colossal unfairness of it is part of the lure — they know if they make an outrageous case out of something they do 100 times more often, we’ll be enraged and jump after that rabbit. And the Puppet-masters will sit back and laugh themselves sick.

  57. 57
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Once again, my take on an older proverb: Whom make Democrats mad, they first destroy.

    Wir müssen alle Feinde zerstören! Straf! Straf !Straf!

  58. 58
    LC Mike in Chi growls and barks:

    :em05: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…
    Capitalism’s a bitch…Sucker!

  59. 59
    Duke Wayne growls and barks:

    The old EVERYBODY DOES IT! defense.

  60. 60
    LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology growls and barks:

    Duke Wayne says:

    The old EVERYBODY DOES IT! defense.

    But not everyone does it eleven times per day…

  61. 61
    Farmor growls and barks:

    But not everyone does it eleven times per day…

    Or get paid dooing it . . . :em07: :em05: :em05: :em05:

  62. 62

    ‘Hope everywhere she goes, someone hollers,,”HEYYY, how ’bout a quicky!”

  63. 63
    LC Wicked Fenrir growls and barks:

    So …

    There is a lot that stinks about this whole Birth Control bullshit. Claims of wanting to deny access or ban things – when no such proposition has actually been offered. Claims about ruinous costs – when every figure presented has been debunked. Claims about hardship in obtaining such things – when the CDC reports that the levels of satisfaction of accessiblity and affordablity from women exceed Saddam Hussein’s margin of victory in his last election. Verifiable sources showing where such things are able to be purchased without insurance at every major pharmacy chain with a discount drug program more cheaply without insurance than by running it through insurance. This includes just about every pharmacy chain, plus those of major retailers such as Wal-Mart, Sam’s, Costco, Grocery Chains, and countless more.

    On page 16, in the attached link (http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu/insurance/premierplanbooklet.pdf) , hormonal Birth Control (a Tier II prescription for insurance purposes, if not a Tier III) under Georgetown’s plan, when covered, it costs $25 dollars. There is a Target with a pharmacy 2.8 miles from GU with a pharmacy and a discounted drugs program which sells it for $9. Without a prescription. Even were it a Tier I drug, it would still be more expensive by a dollar.

    “Contrived” is a good start for descriptors of the agitprop that started this kerfluffle.

    With these facts in mind, as best as I can see, many people are upset and with their knickers in a twist because someone doesn’t offer coverage for a drug – If, and only if it is prescribed for voluntary and elective contraception – which even where it is otherwise covered, despite false claims to the contrary (as documented), one would have to be a moron or a financial masochist to actually run it through the insurance, instead of filling it a short bike ride away OFF insurance.

    Again, with those facts in mind, the only possible conclusion I can see is that there is an effort, as a cheap political stunt, to twist the arm of an institution to cover a voluntary and elective prescription for the sole purpose of coercing them. I can find no motivation to do that save for anti-Catholic hate and bigotry.

    HBC has been handed out for free, or damn near so, by Planned Parenthood for literally decades; in fact, if there is a PP nearby, chances are one would have to be touched in the head to even pay the $9 for them at Wal-Mart. We have been told, for years, that contraception is so cheap and so easy to get, and why oh why oh why oh why can’t we EDUCATE people to take advantage of it?!?!?!

    Now that song and dance has suddenly changed. And it stinks to high heaven.

  64. 64
    The Lone Haranguer growls and barks:

    Apropos of nothing, perhaps, but for an ordinary college student, she looks awfully at ease in front of a camera and audiences … :em03:
    LC Wicked Fenrir @ #:

    There is a lot that stinks about this whole Birth Control bullshit. Claims of wanting to deny access or ban things – when no such proposition has actually been offered. Claims about ruinous costs – when every figure presented has been debunked. Claims about hardship in obtaining such things – when the CDC reports that the levels of satisfaction of accessiblity and affordablity from women exceed Saddam Hussein’s margin of victory in his last election. Verifiable sources showing where such things are able to be purchased without insurance at every major pharmacy chain with a discount drug program more cheaply without insurance than by running it through insurance. This includes just about every pharmacy chain, plus those of major retailers such as Wal-Mart, Sam’s, Costco, Grocery Chains, and countless more.

    Put it all together, and it spells SCAM. But, in a way, it did work. If the real intent of all this was to take our eye off the ball and make the “RethugliKKKans” :em05: look bad, then it was successful.

  65. 65
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    A modest suggestion: yank the bitch’s ovaries and uterus. Problem solved! No need for contraception, as she couldn’t conceive. And it might possibly dial her libido down to where she could actually study law instead of fuck like a mink.

  66. 66
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    FYI
    Have you seen the wicked witch of the West, Moonbat extraordinaire, Gloria Allred has come out of her cave? She is demanding that Florida arrest and prosecute Rush Limbaugh.
    :em05:

    Gloria Allred, Moonbat extraordinaire

    There has been no comment from the prosecutors office. They probably haven’t stopped laughing yet.
    :em07:
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Here I go to Dubai for a couple of days and you are still repeating the meme that this woman was testifying about sex, and more specifically, hers. LibraryGryffon appears to be the only one who actually took the time to read what Ms Fluke said.

    Here are the Cliff Notes for you…

    “Denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences. ” -Sandra Fluke’s testimony

    This was the gist of her entire testimony. She was NOT talking about contraception for casual sexual encounters, she was talking about the students and workers that has OTHER legitimate reasons for needing the MANY different kinds of prescription drugs that have a dual purpose. She gave some examples of women who did actually get contraception after having to go through those “few hoops” that LibraryGryffon so casually described. Ms Fluke also told the story of of a woman who HAD tried to go through those “few hoops” and was denied coverage anyways, and then had to pay $100 a month out of pocket for medication. After several months she could no longer afford her medication and stopped. The result was that a “cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary.” All because they assumed that she was “lying” about her need for a drug that was also considered a contraceptive.

    Her “reason” for testifying was simple, and I will simply paste that portion of her testimony here:

    “Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

    “When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body. [Emphasis Mine]

    Ms Fluke wasn’t testifying to make contraceptive medicine available to every woman for the purpose of birth control, she was there because the proposed legislation made no exception for the health of the woman for reasons OTHER than birth control. She was saying that there needed to be an exception and that the university and / or employers really have no business placing themselves in between the doctor and patient in these things.

    For all of this, Rush and you people have continued to characterize this woman as being a “slut” or a “prostitute”. Many of you are so one-dimensional that you think the subject of contraception is nothing more than condoms, or ignorant enough to assume that a woman pops a birth control pill like you would Viagra for each time you want to have sex. You come up with all of this mathematical nonsense to assume this woman is “fucking like a mink” when she says that some women can have medical expenses that can be as high as $3000.

    Here is a math problem for you then. Assume a woman spend four years in college. Take off three months a year if she is taking a summer break. That means she is going to be going to school for 36 months. Now remember that woman who was paying $100 out-of-her-pocket on medication because her insurance wouldn’t cover it?

    Duh.

    Now does this mean it is typical of EVERY woman? Of course not. And no where does Sandra Fluke say it is. Neither does she insist that every woman be covered for contraception simply because they want to fuck like rabbits. All she was looking for was exceptions to cover medication for those women who had legitimate reasons to have it.

    Is her position any less important than men’s need to have ED medication covered by medical insurance? Should the Church intervene and grill the potential male patient as to whether he is married or can get it up? Are the men taking erectile dysfunction medication “sluts” and “prostitutes” as well? After all, the MAIN purpose they are taking that medication is to fuck. (and not for just the three minutes most guys end up doing)

    I keep coming back to the main point here. I appreciate the fact that people have a religious or moral reason to oppose contraception, abortion, or any of the other social issue we argue about on a regular basis. For those people, their arguments are valid ones — for them.

    But for crying out loud, Sarah Fluke wasn’t testifying in front of Congress to force you or anyone else into going against your “principles”. She was trying to explain that there IS another, very serious side to this issue that needs an exception if you are going to legislate a moral. And that is exactly what the Blunt Amendment was attempting to do — legislate a moral.

    And because Ms Fluke, who has had the experience of dealing with this certain set of women, was called upon to testify in front of Congress and explain what the proposed legislation might do for about 14 percent of the women on campus or in the work force, we got treated to the apish antics of Rush Limbaugh for 9 consecutive broadcast hours calling this woman’s sexual activities into question and basically slandering her in front of millions of people because he considered her testimony “absurd”.

    Yet it is very clear that like most of you here, he never actually heard it or listened to it. The alternative is that if he did, he has almost no clue as to WHAT contraception is or how it is used. Maybe it is a little of both. Whatever the case, Rush WAS waaaaay out of line with his attack on Sarah Fluke.

    I wouldn’t have a problem if he attacked what she was actually saying. There is plenty of room for disagreement there. Perhaps some people DO think it is alright to deny all or some health care or health insurance to women. THAT would be a legitimate argument to have with what she said. It doesn’t mean that I or anyone else has to agree with it, but at least that argument would be on base.

    But instead of arguing THAT, Rush — and some of you — are stepping off that base altogether and attacking her for what you THINK she said (or for the lazy among you, for what Rush thought she said)

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Sure. I certainly did hear that bit where she pulled her “study” out of her arse and wanted me to believe that 40% of her co-students were going bankrupt because they needed contraception for “health reasons”.

    Misha, she worked at an organization that tracks this stuff. She does have a background in this field. Also, this isn’t just about “co-eds” (as she has been characterized as) or “co-students”, it is about other workers employed with the university.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    And, having worked in the medical field for most of my professional life, I still get a good chuckle when I hear the old “you see, I have this friend who has this problem… Not ME, mind you, it’s this friend of mine…”

    Did you get that same chuckle when Ronald Reagan used it on a regular basis too? He always knew a man, or knew a “welfare queen”, or some such character to spin a yarn around.

    But again, Sandra Fluke was the past president of the Georgetown chapter of Law Students for Reproductive Justice and has made women’s health her area of study and legal practice. She has an expertise in these stories she testified about.

    I do understand that you probably wouldn’t agree with her positions she takes on the subject — I have a lot of disagreements also. But like you, she is also entitled to her positions without being personally attacked for them. Especially in the way that Rush did.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    And yes, when somebody, and I don’t care WHO they are, stands up and delivers a load of obvious bullshit as a justification for ME having to pay for THEIR lifestyle, then I WILL get ugly. Heck, I haven’t even gotten started yet. I don’t take kindly to attempted robbery.

    Robbery how? Why should I pay for YOUR health care either? What if I don’t agree that you should be covered for having kids? Maybe I have a “moral” reason for having to pay for someone to have twelve kids and for me to pay for them. If you want “absurd”, there’s one for you. Maybe I have a thing about someone drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes. If you end up with lung cancer or cirrhosis of the liver due to your excessive drinking, I shouldn’t have to “pay for it”?

    What about “just because”? Maybe I don’t want to pay for ANY of your medical issues when I am paying my premiums for MY health insurance. I just don’t approve because I don’t like to be “robbed” like that.

    Oy, what a mess, huh?

    Maybe we would be better if we just scrapped our entire medical system and start over. Forget mandates. Either you are insured or you die. Post a $1500 cash bond to pick up and dispose your ass when you eventually tip over and let you deal with whatever comes up when it does. If you can’t pay cash up front for your illness or injury, then you just go without.

    Forget “groups” and employer-provided stuff. If your employer wants to give you compensation in addition to your actual wage, then just pay more in actual wages and let the employee decide whether to buy insurance or take the money and blow it on something else. That would give the employee the decision what kind of coverage they want to buy and leaves the employer completely out of the equation. There would no longer be the argument about moral restrictions and all of that. It keeps the employer out of the doctors office altogether.

    Now if you want to purchase insurance to protect against illness or injury, you SHOULD have at least a couple of choices.

    Private insurance. Let your “free market” run the private health insurance industry. If you want to purchase insurance, then have at it. Pick your insurance company, and whatever coverage you wish, and pay whatever it is they charge.

    Government option. For those of us who want to have a quasi-governmental health insurance program, then this should be available to us. Keep it self-sustained and separate from tax dollars, and open to anyone who wants to participate in it. In other words, if YOU don’t want to participate in the program, then it doesn’t cost you anything. Stick with your private coverage and enjoy your life. But if you DO want to participate in the program, then understand that it will cover EVERYTHING.

    This way, everyone has a choice, and everyone should be happy because of it. If you DON’T want insurance, you won’t have to. If you DO want insurance, you have several choices available to you there also. And i was able to describe the entire health care coverage options in five short paragraphs. Pretty simple.

    Now do you see any problems with my idea of health care?

    Now on to the rest of the absurdity here….

    Erbo says:

    Fluke, however, wants all of us (via taxes, extracted at gunpoint) to pay for her ability to have sex with people that are not us. This is redistributive socialism of the worst sort, and is offensive not only to Catholics, but to anyone who feels that the best way for her to avoid these expenses is for her to put a birth-control pill between her knees and keep her goddamn knees together!

    Taxes, huh? Gun point?

    LC Gladiator says:

    Call For The FCC To Remove Bill Maher

    Remove him from what? The FCC has no jurisdiction on a private cable station. HBO is not transmitted over the public airwaves like Rush Limbaugh’s show. (and yes, those ARE public airwaves. Broadcasters only have a LICENSE to operate on specific frequencies of those public airwaves subject to certain restrictions and rules.)

    Bill Maher doesn’t have sponsors, so you can’t boycott those. I suppose you could boycott HBO, since they are the ones who are showing it. This is precisely the reason Glenn Beck left FOX News and started his own private cable channel. He would no longer be subject to the FCC and if he didn’t want sponsors, he wouldn’t have to have them. He could then say whatever he chose to say, and as long as someone wanted to pay to watch him say it, he would make money.

    Iacobus says:

    To add to the subject of birth control as hormonal therapy: Isn’t the general consensus in the medical world that prescribing something like birth control pills for hormonal therapy is not a good idea, mostly because of the higher risks associated with taking the pill itself? I thought they had hormonal therapy pills specifically for that purpose?

    And you are a doctor in that field? More importantly, are you a doctor in any of these women’s particular cases?

    If not, then perhaps it isn’t any of your business, as you don’t know anything about their particular medical needs.

    LC Gladiator says:

    Bill Maher’s derogatory statements have gone far enough and nobody is holding him accountable.

    He called former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin a C*** and there was not a peep from the mainstream media. There was no apology from HBO.

    Actually, there has been peeps from the mainstream media about it.

    As far as holding him accountable — are YOU watching HBO? Have YOU written HBO and complained? If not, then I suggest that you may be part of the problem, because YOU aren’t doing anything to hold him accountable.

    LC Gladiator says:

    If those who oppose Rush Limbaugh are going to make a petition to pull him off the air for one derogatory thing he said. It only makes sense that we actually pull people off the air who add nothing to the national dialogue but derogatory and inflammatory language.

    First of all, let me be the first to say that I am against boycotts of shows or advertisers. I do NOT want to see Rush off the air. In fact, I firmly believe he should STAY right where he is, to spout exactly what he has been spouting. The more he does, the more he ends up alienating himself and those who blindly follow him.

    As far as this particular thing being “one derogatory thing he said”? He has twenty years of derogatory things he’s said. He has a complete pattern of saying derogatory things. This one was just the latest in a long line of them.

    But no, I do NOT want to see Rush pulled off the air, nor do I want to see an organized campaign to boycott his sponsors on his or anyone else’s radio or television show.

    Yes, he has now lost 98 major sponsors since the beginning of this thing. Not only HIS show, but apparently sponsors pulling out of OTHER politically-charged shows as well. And it isn’t because of any particular organized boycott either.

    Sponsors advertise with a show because they want to get their product out there. They want to make money by generating sales. It is Capitalism 101. The LAST thing they want is to have their product associated with scandal, charged rhetoric, or any other negative subject. That too, is Capitalism 101.

    The fact that what Rush said DOES piss off a lot of people — most of them women, makes it real hard for a company to want to be associated with him at the moment. Most of the advertisers that left him did so unilaterally, NOT because they were pressured to do so. Bad publicity is bad publicity, and no matter how many french fry analogies Rush tries to make about it, nobody wants their product associated in that kind of atmosphere. Women between the ages of 24-55 are the prime audience for these advertisers. This is probably what is prompting Premiere Radio to send out the following notice to its syndication:

    To all Traffic Managers: The information below applies to your Premiere Radio Networks commercial inventory…They’ve specifically asked that you schedule their commercials in dayparts or programs free of content that you know are deemed to be offensive or controversial (for example, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Leykis, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Randi Rhodes).

    There are 98 major advertisers on that list. Other broadcasting syndications are also distributing similar notices that include other shows, including all of the progressive ones. This is a warning to ALL shows from all over the political spectrum that they need to dial back the rhetoric or lose sponsors.

    Rush is trying to make it appear that HE has the choice of sponsors. He doesn’t. He has to SELL his show to sponsors, NOT the other way around. Granted, having a 600 station audience is a great selling point, but what good is that if the show has a poisonous aura surrounding it?

    Rush has always been one to “push the envelope”. The problem is, sometimes you can push it too far before you push out of it and there is nothing else out there. That is where Rush has ended up. He’s gone too far and his sponsors are leaving him.

    Now sure, he can get all of the Ashley Madison ads he wants. Controversy is really not an issue to a site that caters to controversial things like having an affair — and there is money in it. I understand that they’ve offered to buy up ALL of his inventory of commercial spots at his going rate. But what does that say about his show? It IS a two way street.

    Mark12A says:

    Depending upon the modality selected, $3000 over three years would be a sufficient amount of birth control pills for about nine women. Why Ms. Fluke would require nine birth control doses is a matter for speculation. If, on the other hand, she were purchasing condoms, she could easily buy, with the same $3000, sufficient condoms for her to have intercourse with up to 11 men per day, every day, for three years. This amount of sexual frequency, at least in my social circle, can be aptly and appropriately described as “sluttish behavior”.

    Except, as I pointed out above, this is a complete mischaracterization of what she is or what she said. And I pointed out, using her example, how easy it would be for a woman’s reproductive health care bill to reach $3000. It probably isn’t the norm, but depending on the medical situation it could be less or even more.

    And as NONE of us are the doctors involved with this particular woman’s medical example, making assumptions about it would be invalid.

    But hey, when has that ever stopped anyone?

    Mark12A says:

    Further, she is not an innocent, 23-year old law student.

    Did she ever claim to be? 23-years-old, that is. As far as her “innocence, how the fuck do YOU know, one way or the other? For all you know, she could be a virgin. There is NOTHING that has ever come out that indicates she is anything BUT innocent. At least nothing that hasn’t been a toxic slime of speculation coming from the Right in this particular case. All you appear to be going on is the rantings of what appears to be a sexually frustrated Rush Limbaugh.

    Mark12A says:

    As to your hypocrisy, Ed Schultz of MSNBC has referred to Sarah Palin, on several occasions, as a “cunt”.

    Bzzzzt! Wrong-o. Incorrect. Not true.

    First of all, you are thinking of Bill Maher. I know that all progressives “look alike to you”. But Bill Maher is a “comedian” with a private show on a private cable channel that viewers have to pay to watch. I don’t get HBO, so I can’t tell you WHAT his show is about per se, or what he has said about someone. I can only go with what I heard, and if he did say it, then he was wrong. But again, what he says on private property is up to him. If you don’t like what he said, don’t go visit him on his property.

    The exact same could be said about THIS property. What is said here and how it is said is all up to the owner of this site. If someone doesn’t like what is being said, then we are free to leave. If the owner doesn’t like what I said, then he has the right to remove it and/or bar me from the site.

    There is no difference between what Bill Maher is able to say on HBO and what the rest of us are able to say here.

    Secondly, Ed Shultz DID call Laura Ingraham a “right wing slut”. Once. On his own radio show and according to him, said that he immediately regretted it. He voluntarily took a one-week suspension from his television show on MSNBC right after he made a public apology to Laura Ingraham for what he said and she accepted the apology:

    Good evening, Americans and welcome to The Ed Show from New York tonight. Thomas Roberts will be here tonight anchoring the program, but first I want to take some time to offer an apology. On my radio show yesterday I used vile and inappropriate language when talking about talk show host Laura Ingraham. I am deeply sorry, and I apologize. It was wrong, uncalled for and I recognize the severity of what I said. I apologize to you, Laura, and ask for your forgiveness.

    It doesn’t matter what the circumstances were. It doesn’t matter that it was on radio and I was ad-libbing. None of that matters. None of that matters. What matters is what I said was terribly vile and not of the standards that I or any other person should adhere to. I want all of you to know tonight that I did call Laura Ingraham today and did not make contact with her and I will apologize to her as I did in the message that I left her today.

    I also met with management here at MSNBC, and understanding the severity of the situation and what I said on the radio and how it reflected terribly on this company, I have offered to take myself off the air for an indefinite period of time with no pay. I want to apologize to Laura Ingraham. I want to apologize to my family, my wife. I have embarrassed my family. I have embarrassed this company.

    And I have been in this business since 1978, and I have made a lot of mistakes. This is the lowest of low for me. I stand before you tonight in front of this camera in this studio in an environment that I absolutely love. I love working here. I love communicating with all of you on the radio and the communication that I have with you when I go out and do town hall meetings and meet the people that actually watch. I stand before you tonight to take full responsibility for what I said and how I said it, and I am deeply sorry.

    My wife is a wonderful woman. We have a wonderful family. And with six kids and eight grandkids, I try to set an example. In this moment, I have failed. And I want you to know that I talked to my sons especially about character and about dignity and about the truth. And I tell you the truth tonight that I am deeply sorry and I tell them every day that they have to live up to standards if they want to be a successful human being in life. And I have let them down. I have never been in this position before to the point where it has affected so many people. And I know that I have let a lot of people down.

    To the staff here at MSNBC, I apologize for embarrassing the company and the only way that I can really make restitution for you is to give you a guarantee, and the only way that I can prove my sincerity in all of this is if I never use those words again. Tonight, you have my word that I won’t. Laura Ingraham, I am sorry. Very sorry. I’ll be back with you in the coming days.

    Contrast that with the “apology” that Rush made. Ed humbled himself, made a public apology, asked for forgiveness, and has gone on being overly careful not to repeat the same mistake twice. Rush simply justified his actions and said he used the “wrong choice of words”. WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE “RIGHT” CHOICE OF WORDS AND NOT DIRECTLY CALL A WOMAN A SLUT?

    But it isn’t about just two words here. It is about the fact the nine straight hours of personal attack on this woman. Whatever legitimate argument that could have been made was completely lost in the way Rush did this. Rush spent more time defending or justifying WHY he acted like an ape than he did with the dismissive “apology” that he put out there.

    He missed the point entirely. Most people don’t CARE about the WHY he acted like a jerk for three days. (and honestly, it isn’t most people Rush needed to apologize to) What people wanted to see is the fact that Rush was sorry he acted like a jerk, and that he would no longer continue to act like a jerk towards Ms. Fluke or others. NOBODY expects him to stop arguing for or against a cause or event — THAT would be “absurd”. They just want to see the bullying attacks end — on all sides.

    LC Gladiator says:

    And of course the nasty terms thrown at the Bush twins (also someones daughters) were actively opposed by DJ and the left , right?

    Weren’t his daughters arrested and cited for drinking under age along with fake ID? By contrast, was Ms Fluke ever arrested? Violate the law? Party like it’s 1999?

    Were the Bush daughters ever called sluts and whores? Repeatedly, on a nationally syndicated talk show for three days straight?

    IF it happened, it would be wrong. But I don’t remember it ever happening, and curiously, Google seems to be rather quiet about it too.

    LC Gladiator says:

    (crickets chirping)

    I know you have this irrational thought that I am sitting here in the background ready to pounce on everything said here, but I have been 7500 miles away for the past week and I just didn’t have time to pounce. Sorry.

    LC Gladiator says:

    What is President Doofus going to do when he is out of office in January?

    Dunno. January 2017 is still a long ways off.

    Oh wait, you are thinking that by some miracle one of the four stooges is going to become President in 2013?

    :em05:

    Naw, we are stuck with Obama for another four years.

    LC Robohobo says:

    Hey, everybody. What a DJ? There are comments mentioning but I don’t see it’s posts.

    Because I haven’t made any until now. NOW you get a weeks worth in one sitting. Enjoy.

    LC Ogrrre says:

    A modest suggestion: yank the bitch’s ovaries and uterus. Problem solved! No need for contraception, as she couldn’t conceive. And it might possibly dial her libido down to where she could actually study law instead of fuck like a mink.

    Did you forget the female circumcision also?

    Perhaps you missed the part where she was already a lawyer.

    angrywebmaster says:

    There has been no comment from the prosecutors office. They probably haven’t stopped laughing yet.

    It IS kinda reaching. I’ve expected a defamation lawsuit for slander myself. At least that is more realistic. But hey it’s still early yet. I believe they have three years…

    Well, that’s it. I think I’ve said all I need to say on the subject.
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    Oh, and sorry for it being so long.
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    This was the gist of her entire testimony. She was NOT talking about contraception for casual sexual encounters, she was talking about the students and workers that has OTHER legitimate reasons for needing the MANY different kinds of prescription drugs that have a dual purpose. She gave some examples of women who did actually get contraception after having to go through those “few hoops” that LibraryGryffon so casually described.

    Ah, those horrifying ICD-9/10, CPT, HCPCS code “hoops” that all of us have to “go through” every time our physicians’ staffs fill in the paperwork for the insurance company which, believe it or not (human beings are fallible!), sometimes results in incorrect codes, resulting in claim denial, resulting in the additional inhumane hoop of having to contact your healthcare provider to get them to file the damn claim right already.

    So, again, Fluke is babbling about how sometimes people get their claims denied when they’re really entitled to coverage as clearly stated in the small print of the insurance policy?

    Why, there ought to be a LAW!

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Ms Fluke also told the story of of a woman who HAD tried to go through those “few hoops” and was denied coverage anyways, and then had to pay $100 a month out of pocket for medication. After several months she could no longer afford her medication and stopped. The result was that a “cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary.” All because they assumed that she was “lying” about her need for a drug that was also considered a contraceptive.

    You know, it is actually possible for a person to lie in order to get that to which they’re not otherwise entitled. It does happen, even among those the purest of the pure whose purity is proven by their desire to become… lawyers. OK, nevermind…

    I’m not going to call the poor girl a liar without proof, so let’s assume that she wasn’t lying and that it was only through the sheer malfeasance and wickedness of the insurance provider that she was chosen to suffer for their anger at contraceptives. Let’s further assume that she did contact the insurance provider and/or health care provider to correct the obvious injustice and let’s further assume that she, given her financial hardship and suffering, most certainly let them know in no uncertain terms that continued refusal to honor their own legal obligations would force her to report them to several agencies, boards and other organizations. I know I would and I’d do so double if I were training to become a lawyer.

    Yet, for all of this, the insurance company stubbornly refused to see the light, choosing instead the much more fraught with danger path of potentially getting into hot water with several alphabet soups, governmental as well as private. There was a whole 100 bucks a month to be saved, after all, and what self-respecting insurance company will not gladly run the risk of defending themselves against legal action, government audits and Bob knows what else rather than being out a devastating, bankruptcy-inducing 100 bucks a MONTH!?

    Let’s make all of these assumptions so we won’t have to argue and splitting c*nt hairs eternally over whether or not professional activist Sandra Fluke were, ahem, “dissembling slightly” to advance her own declared agenda.

    If all of that is true, then her whole premise is that the government should permanently take over what insurance companies can and cannot cover all over this once proud nation in order to properly redress ONE INDIVIDUAL BEING SCREWED OVER IN THE PROCESS?

    Sorry. No sale.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    All she was looking for was exceptions to cover medication for those women who had legitimate reasons to have it.

    Bull-flipping-shiite.

    There already are exceptions for just that and, guess what, there also already are ways of dealing with recalcitrant insurance companies who refuse to honor their own contracts.

    Where the fuck was MY Congressional Hearing and week-long media hysteria when Ford fucked me over with a bum transmission? Dammit! I DEMAND that car dealerships, as a result of that horridly humiliating experience of mine, immediately be FORCED by the government to sell used vehicles as new! Otherwise, I can only conclude that Obama and the NSDWP are Waging War on Used Car Buyers™!

    This whole kerfuffle started when the Obama Junta insisted that Catholics pay for contraception whether they want to or not, which is a direct violation of their 1st Amendment Rights. It did NOT start over Catholic providers refusing to pay for non-contraceptive use of the pill, because they never HAVE refused to do so.

    So don’t try the bait and switch on me, please, because it ain’t working.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Did you get that same chuckle when Ronald Reagan used it on a regular basis too? He always knew a man, or knew a “welfare queen”, or some such character to spin a yarn around.

    Erm, Deej? I have to point out to you that your sequitur is absolutely full of non.

    Besides, that limo-driving welfare queen actually existed, but let’s not go there. It’s hardly relevant.

    Bottom line: If Fluke is bitching about the insurance company not honoring their contract then more power to her. I’d be bloody well bitching my head off too. But unless her college is absolutely filled to the brim with young coeds with ovarian cysts, then I have to say that her story doesn’t quite pass the bullshit test with me.
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    Emperor Misha I says:

    So, again, Fluke is babbling about how sometimes people get their claims denied when they’re really entitled to coverage as clearly stated in the small print of the insurance policy?

    And it is the what is contained in the “small print” she is talking about. An employer shouldn’t be in the middle of a doctor/patient relationship. I personally think that the employer should be completely out of that loop, and the only way to do that would be to allow people to buy their own coverage.

    Somehow I think we could possibly be in agreement there.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Why, there ought to be a LAW!

    Sure, a law that nullifies Obamacare. Were you looking for an argument from me on that?

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Yet, for all of this, the insurance company stubbornly refused to see the light, choosing instead the much more fraught with danger path of potentially getting into hot water with several alphabet soups, governmental as well as private. There was a whole 100 bucks a month to be saved, after all, and what self-respecting insurance company will not gladly run the risk of defending themselves against legal action, government audits and Bob knows what else rather than being out a devastating, bankruptcy-inducing 100 bucks a MONTH!?

    Well, it certainly is nice you weren’t considering her a “liar: without actually calling her one.

    For you, maybe a hundred bucks isn’t all that much. For someone else — maybe someone going to school on a fixed budget — perhaps a hundred bucks is a LOT of money. Dunno, I am not in that person’s shoes and neither are you apparently. I know that there ARE people going to school who are scraping by as it is, and a hundred bucks might as well be a thousand bucks for whatever reason. Not every one has a full scholarship or affluent parents to help them make ends meet.

    Perhaps empathy isn’t one of your strongest suits?

    Emperor Misha I says:

    If all of that is true, then her whole premise is that the government should permanently take over what insurance companies can and cannot cover all over this once proud nation in order to properly redress ONE INDIVIDUAL BEING SCREWED OVER IN THE PROCESS?

    Again with the “government” canard. Where, in the fucking blue blazes, does ANY of this get picked up by the government? Newsflash: you aren’t being taxed for some other person’s medical bills, no matter how many times Sarah Palin tries to repeat that meme.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    There already are exceptions for just that and, guess what, there also already are ways of dealing with recalcitrant insurance companies who refuse to honor their own contracts

    Apparently, there isn’t. And I can tell you first hand that insurance companies don’t always honor their own contracts, and that they will look for ANY reason to get out from under paying a claim.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Where the fuck was MY Congressional Hearing and week-long media hysteria when Ford fucked me over with a bum transmission? Dammit!

    OMG. On a used car used by a police agency? Are you serious? This somehow equates? Now you are just grasping at straws.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    This whole kerfuffle started when the Obama Junta insisted that Catholics pay for contraception whether they want to or not,

    Back the boat up there, captain. There were already many states that had that exact rule in place for over ten years, many with the exact wording that was used by the administration. SOME of those states didn’t allow for any exceptions for religious organizations. It is funny how nobody complained until now.

    I might add that almost ALL of the states that passed those regulations were done with Republican legislatures and signed into law by Republican governors. Apparently, at that time, they all thought it was a good idea..

    All the Obama administration did was adopt the law that was already being used in a lot of states. But hey, this is an election year, why not use it to beat up on the Obama administration? But hey, it looks like it is backfiring on you, because a LOT of women actually LIKE the idea.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Besides, that limo-driving welfare queen actually existed, but let’s not go there. It’s hardly relevant.

    She did? Do tell. Please, I have been looking for that particular woman for thirty some-odd years and haven’t found her yet. Neither has anyone else.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Bottom line: If Fluke is bitching about the insurance company not honoring their contract then more power to her. I’d be bloody well bitching my head off too. But unless her college is absolutely filled to the brim with young coeds with ovarian cysts, then I have to say that her story doesn’t quite pass the bullshit test with me.

    No, Misha. Bottom line is that Ms. Fluke, regardless of how much you disagree with her position, never deserved the treatment that Rush Limbaugh gave her. THAT, my friend, is the eclipse of the entire issue here. Rush, and later you, characterized this woman as being a “slut”, and having an overactive sex life. I have pointed out that this has absolutely NOTHING do do with Ms. Fluke’s sexual life whatsoever, and that insinuating that this woman is an over-sexed harlot who is fucking her way through life and expects others to pay for that activity is WAAAAAAAY out of line.

    Like I said, I, myself have differences with Ms. Fluke’s positions. But I am certainly not going to use a national platform to slander this woman like Rush did, simply because I disagree with her. Argue the fucking facts if you disagree. Insinuating that what she was talking about was her personal sex life is not only a lie, but it is slander. THAT is the problem I’ve had with this entire thing. The SLANDER became the story, NOT the facts.

    There is plenty of room for discussion on the content of what she testified about. Unfortunately, all that has been overshadowed by the faulty characterization of who she is and what she was talking about.

    Personally, I think that it highlights the inherent problems of Obamacare and forcing a mandate. But that gets lost in HOW this was attacked.

    I notice that you never commented on MY idea of what our health care system should look like. THAT is the discussion that I would like to see. All of this other bullshit is just that — bullshit. We ALL know that we have a health care crisis going on, and we’ve had that crisis since LONG before Obama. Obamacare is a mess that tries to address another mess and fails to do so. If anything, it creates another mess in the process. I think that we can ALL agree on that. Most Liberals will agree with that also, and I think that even Obama would agree. Much of what was written into the Obamacare law was written by the insurance companies themselves and if you need ANY proof on that, ask yourself who it is that actually benefits from Obamacare. It certainly isn’t us, and it isn’t the government either. The answer is, the insurance companies are the only ones who benefit by having millions of more customers mandated to buy insurance from them.

    So instead of shouting past each other here, we all should be spending our times finding the areas where we can agree. Typically, we can all agree on the lowest common denominator. And I am talking about everyone, regardless of political affiliation.

    I think that most of us simply want to be able to buy affordable health care insurance. Contrary to the meme, most people don’t expect it to be “given” to them. Somehow, somewhere down the line, they are going to have to actually PAY for it. This isn’t Rock Candy Mountain, and there are no rivers of honey and fields of lollipops.

    The BIG argument as I see it is that some people want the government to manage their health care insurance and others are adamantly against that, and are in favor of private enterprise providing health insurance. I don’t see a problem with BOTH doing it, and giving people the CHOICE as to which they want to go with.

    If the government handles health insurance for people, then it should be self sufficient and for ONLY those people who wish to participate in the government program. It should actually be a quasi-governmental program that only gets its money from premiums paid into it by those who wish to participate. For those who don’t want anything to do with it — they shouldn’t be burdened at all by it. That “government option” should have NO restrictions on what is covered. If it is a legal medical procedure or drug, then it should be covered.

    For those who wish to purchase private insurance, well, they can choose whatever coverage they want from any company they choose.

    The thing I would require is that health insurance NOT be mandatory OR be provided by an employer directly. Since we are having this argument over what an employer should or shouldn’t be required to provide based on “moral” or “religious” grounds, I say just remove them entirely from the equation and let the people themselves buy their own insurance if they want to.

    BUT…(and there will always be a ‘but”)

    If you do NOT want to buy insurance, then you should be required to deposit a $1500 bond to pay for the disposal of your body should you die from not being able to pay for medical treatment. THAT is only fair. In no way should a person who is not insured against injury or illness be allowed to mooch off of the medical system simply because they didn’t pay for insurance and cannot pay cash for their treatment in lieu of that insurance. If they die because they don’t have the wherewithall to pay for their medical bills, then there should be some money on hand to dispose of their sorry asses.

    THIS is the discussion we should be having. All of the rest is nothing more than a distraction.
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    And it is the what is contained in the “small print” she is talking about. An employer shouldn’t be in the middle of a doctor/patient relationship. I personally think that the employer should be completely out of that loop, and the only way to do that would be to allow people to buy their own coverage.

    That employer bloody well should be “in the loop” if he’s paying for it.

    And there’s a law that forbids people from buying their own insurance if they don’t like their employer’s?

    Wow. I didn’t know that.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Well, it certainly is nice you weren’t considering her a “liar: without actually calling her one.

    For you, maybe a hundred bucks isn’t all that much. For someone else — maybe someone going to school on a fixed budget — perhaps a hundred bucks is a LOT of money.

    I wasn’t talking about HER, I was talking about how unlikely I find it that an insurance carrier would risk all of the trouble that a bunch of PMS’ing lawyers-in-training (and for that matter anybody else) can bring down upon their heads over a bloody measly $100/month. I’m very well aware that it might be a lot to her. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Been a lot worse off, as a matter of fact.

    I just fail to see how that makes it everybody else’s responsibility to pay for her at the point of a gun. Heck, if she was a friend of mine I’d pay it for her if I could, but I draw the line at Forced Charity.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Perhaps empathy isn’t one of your strongest suits?

    There’s empathy and then there’s being a sucker and being taken for a ride. Two different things. And since when did my failure to wish to pay for every Jack, Joe and Jill to come along with a poorly sourced sob story become a “lack of empathy” on my part?

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Again with the “government” canard. Where, in the fucking blue blazes, does ANY of this get picked up by the government?

    Excuse me, but wasn’t this whole mess started off by the government wanting to force Catholic institutions to provide for certain services against their will? Last I checked, it wasn’t the local bridge club issuing the demand.

    Newsflash: you aren’t being taxed for some other person’s medical bills, no matter how many times Sarah Palin tries to repeat that meme.

    And you can repeat that until you turn blue in the face, but that’s not going to make it less so. Maybe it’s not being paid for over the taxes right now, but I urge you strongly not to bet on it not being the case once the “can’t be allowed to fail” government “exchanges” and “options” get up and running. Besides, it’s not like it matters. I’m footing the bill anyway, unless you think that the providers are going to take it in the shorts. What? You really believe that it’s “free” just because Odumbfuck says that the insurance company has to provide it for “free?”

    :em05:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Apparently, there isn’t. And I can tell you first hand that insurance companies don’t always honor their own contracts, and that they will look for ANY reason to get out from under paying a claim.

    No need to tell me. I know full well. So can we please agree that the Catholic Church and any other individuals can’t be forced to provide something against their will? Because if it’s just a matter of another insurance company trying to get out of paying their bills then there are ways to deal with that already, and they don’t involve massive media circuses and government overreach.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    OMG. On a used car used by a police agency? Are you serious? This somehow equates? Now you are just grasping at straws.

    Nope. I’m not. Exact same thing. I was given verbal assurance (my idiotic mistake to not get it in writing) that the vehicle had been thoroughly checked, inspected and found fine before I bought it. Now, ordinary wear and tear I can eat, such as a compressor suddenly blowing or a water pump starting to leak, those things are pretty damn hard to detect before they happen. But a worn transmission on its last ropes? To a layman, sure, but to somebody calling themselves automotive professionals? Right. Pull the other one.

    Breach of verbal contract. Same thing. Now, the fact that I can’t enforce a verbal contract since it’s a he said, she said issue doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a contract. Binding and everything. Trust me, if I’d had the brains to record it, they’d know very well by now.

    But I didn’t because I was an idiot. I guess empathy isn’t one of your strong suits, eh?

    If Fluke’s unknown friend has been contractually screwed by her insurance company the by all means let’s go after the lying bastards. I’m all in favor of it!

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    She did? Do tell. Please, I have been looking for that particular woman for thirty some-odd years and haven’t found her yet. Neither has anyone else.

    Google it. I read about her not too long ago because her gravy train had stopped abruptly when Ogabe came to power. Normally I’d be happy to Google it myself, but since it has absolutely no bearing on this issue, I honestly can’t be arsed.

    But if you’re positively dying to know then yes, I actually do chuckle when any politician starts throwing about “I just met somebody the other day who told me that…” anecdotes. Just as I chuckle when any other agenda-driven hack starts gushing un-sourced sob stories to further her own argument.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    I notice that you never commented on MY idea of what our health care system should look like.

    No, I didn’t. I didn’t consider it germane to the discussion. I do have a few ideas, though, as you should know since I keep talking about them until everybody falls over and goes to sleep. First, we need to get lawfare out of medicine. If the DNC heavy donors, the trial lawyers, could be made to stop squeezing billions out of healthcare providers with the help of hacks like John My Little Pony Edwards and his Miss Cleo routine, then prices would go down. Second, we need to allow insurance companies to compete nationally like all other businesses. Competition is good for everybody. Third, we keep government as far as humanly possible away from health care because it has been proven conclusively that government can turn anything it even gets in remote contact with into shit at a truly amazing click unknown to any digestive system found anywhere in nature.

    Which brings me to this:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    If the government handles health insurance for people, then it should be self sufficient and for ONLY those people who wish to participate in the government program.

    :em05: :em05: :em05:

    Oh man, you’re killing here! And for sure government will stay completely out of the way and not in the leastest interfere by subsidizing their program with funds extracted at gunpoint from everybody else? Right? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is just about the most amazingly naive, ignorant and just plain foolish thing I’ve heard ever since Neville Chamberlain returned from Munich. Yeah, sure. We’ll put up a lock box, just like we have for Social Security, right? No? OK. How about making it totally self-sufficient and independent like Fannie Mae? No? The HELL you say!

    :em05:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    THIS is the discussion we should be having. All of the rest is nothing more than a distraction.

    Which is all mine and Rush’s fault. Because Heaven KNOWS that he and I have every possible motive in the world for wanting to talk about Fluke’s agenda rather than silly stuff like, say, the cratering economy, record unemployment, record number of people on food stamps, “necessarily sky-rocketing energy costs” and G-d knows what else!

    Anything else? :)
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    DJ Sez ….

    Government option. For those of us who want to have a quasi-governmental health insurance program, then this should be available to us. Keep it self-sustained and separate from tax dollars, and open to anyone who wants to participate in it.

    I can’t let that little gem go, sorry…I do realize as well, I am “cherry picking your comments” – guilty.

    But do pray tell us all how that little plan is going to work?

    It can’t work, do you know why?

    For one, Because Government produces nothing, It is not a factory, (well maybe in the guise of a factory churning out drone like morons by the cord full but that’s a whole ‘nother can of worms …) It is not a business, it is not a bank, it produces nothing, zero, zilch.

    The only thing keeping the government afloat in ANY society be it socialist, republican, dictatorship, or any other guise of “government’ are the revenues it brings in via “taxation”, be “voluntary taxation” as we have or literally at the point of a gun.

    So again, e’spain to me Lucy hoz that’ “Government Option” gonna work?

    Nothing the government does is based on turning a profit, unlike the private sector. So already you’re pretty much dead in the water. So how is this paid for?

    I can pretty much anticipate the short version answer you will give me, so here it is….”You pay the US government premiums vice private insurance”. Correct or not? And I have to ask then …..What’s the point? You’re still paying for insurance.

    And let me gaze into the crystal ball here and anticipate further your response of “It will be cheaper because of the number of people in it”.. correct?

    Okay so that brings me to my next argument, say for example, that The gurus up there in DC give us a Utopian wet dream plan…. Funded solely by the plan participants. How nice.

    What a great deal, so 15 Million or so Americans rush out to their local Federal Government offices and …sign up for this plan, do you know, or can you imagine the sort of overhead it is going to take to manage this behemoth?

    Civil Service as we all know isn’t cheap labor. So now you have how many GS Employees “administrating” this plan that is going to cover 15,000,000 souls? 10, 20 thousand? More? Everyone of them getting paid and their benefits covered.

    Sorry, the normal state of Government is so bloated and utterly inefficient that if you look at it realistically…it’s a complete non starter. It simply can’t work within the current make up of our government.

    That is a big reason behind why the Democrats just totally made a mess of the “ObamaCare” fiasco, they can’t get their heads out of the big government trough long enough to connect with the reality of what “universal healthcare” would actually cost. The overhead and administration costs would be staggering.

    DJ, just look at what is going on in DC, look at the overlap, look at the waste, look at the graft, look at the political bickering that surrounds it, look how agencies like HHS are already sucking down how many BILLIONS of tax revenue…and they aren’t even providing serive under the law yet!??! And now with this plan it probably needs to EXPAND more? Guess what….There go your “premiums” plus some, right into the black hole that is the US Federal Government….which then …sooner or later WILL become an “unfunded liability” AKA ….. the tax payers burden.

    You really need look no further than SSI for an example of what a government, ESPECIALLY our dysfunctional government, will do with unfettered access to monies paid in by the citizens. That number or citizens I speak of by now numbers probably in the area of half a BILLION Americans since SSI was started in the 30′s that paid into a system, that now….is broke, a majority of them are going to get screwed ….and you want to do what?…. try this sort of thing again?

    Really?????

    Or do you know something I don’t know, like maybe there is a money fairy under Obama’s Desk waving his pixie wand and magically filling the Treasury coffers with gold so everyone can have their Government Option health care?

    P.S Hope you enjoyed the trip to Dubai, hell of a place to see.
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    That employer bloody well should be “in the loop” if he’s paying for it.

    He’s paying for insurance policy, NOT the privilege of playing doctor.

    But I would argue that he ISN’T actually paying for it that instead it is part of that particular employee’s wage package.

    You and I both know (or you should know) that what you receive as a salary is NOT your complete wage. When an employer hires someone for say, a $10/hr wage, the actual cost to that employer is almost double that amount because of other wage benefits he might offer along with taxes.

    Secondly, most employers only pay for a portion of the health care insurance — if any. Most employees now wind up paying a large portion of it themselves out of their check and also out of co-pays at the doctor. Additionally, if an employee wants to put his entire family on that health insurance plan, then the employee will pay for each family member out of his own pocket. Depending on the size of that family, that could end up being quite a large sum of money.

    So tell me, how much money towards an employee’s health insurance plan buys the employer the right to play doctor?

    Since the employer is paying that employee’s wage, does it give him the right to tell the employer what he or she can buy with the money earned?

    The better way to go is if the employer is so concerned about having to pay for a medical procedure or drugs that he doesn’t “morally” approve of, then maybe he shouldn’t be buying the insurance himself. Just pay the money he would have paid directly to each employee and let the employee buy his or her health insurance. Or not.

    Most employers that offer health insurance as a benefit do so in order to attract and retain good employees. Some employers find it hard to pay for their insurance so they’ve either stopped it altogether or they pass the cost off to the employee as a payroll deduction. More and more employers have been doing the later lately, some to the point of passing the entire cost off onto the employee.

    Perhaps the answer to all of this is right in front of our faces.

    Say, for example, Jane Doe, a non-Catholic works for a Catholic hospital. The hospital provides health care insurance and passes most of the cost off to the employee in the form of a payroll deduction. Jane wants her reproductive health covered, and the hospital has a moral or religious objection to covering it, then perhaps they can pass ALL of the cost for that insurance off to Jane and take themselves completely out of the equation. Give Jane the amount that they pay for the insurance in the form of her actual wage, and let HER pay for her own insurance. After all, it is STILL money the hospital was paying as a wage benefit, therefore it is technically HER money.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    And there’s a law that forbids people from buying their own insurance if they don’t like their employer’s?

    I just explained that above. If the employee doesn’t want to participate in the company’s health care program, then just give them the money that the employer would have paid for insurance and let the employee decide where to spend it.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    I just fail to see how that makes it everybody else’s responsibility to pay for her at the point of a gun. Heck, if she was a friend of mine I’d pay it for her if I could, but I draw the line at Forced Charity.

    At the “point of a gun”? Kinda melodramatic, don’t you think? Let’s extend your argument out a little more, shall we? Why is it my responsibility to pay for YOU? Oh wait, that is how insurance works. You pay in your premiums to protect you against the cost of an unforeseen injury or illness in the future. Lately you find yourself paying more than you used to because you employer has passed a lot of what they used to pay off onto you. But you pay it each month, just in case.

    Some of the money you pay goes to pay for someone else’s current injury or illness. Another chunk of it goes to administrative costs, lobbying, and profits. The extent of YOUR contribution towards that other patient’s medical bill is so small as to be barely negligible.

    Now let’s suppose we take health insurance completely out of its mandate and out of the hands of an employer providing it. Let’s just make every Tom, Dick, Harry and Sally pay for their OWN health insurance, just like they do with their car insurance. Would you still have a “moral” objection if the insurance company provided services that you don’t “approve of”? Would you still be thinking you were being held at gun point to pay for someone else’s mess? How much buys you the privilege of determining what someone else receives or doesn’t receive? If I am paying the same amount that you are, do I get to override your objection?

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Maybe it’s not being paid for over the taxes right now, but I urge you strongly not to bet on it not being the case once the “can’t be allowed to fail” government “exchanges” and “options” get up and running.

    And if my Aunt had balls she’d be my Uncle. You are assuming facts not in evidence and speaking in hypotheticals. CURRENTLY, and for the foreseeable future, we are NOT being taxed for it. But it hasn’t stopped people from trying to make that claim.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    You really believe that it’s “free” just because Odumbfuck says that the insurance company has to provide it for “free?”

    Sure, they will pass it off as a “cost”. But really, WHO are they going to pass it off on, and what do you think YOUR portion of that is going to be? A nano-cent? Or are they simply going to pass that cost off on the OTHER plans that DO charge for birth control? Remember, this free ice cream is only for those plans that are paid for by those with a “religious” or “moral” objection. The insurance companies could easily just apply the cost back on the contraception coverage they charge for in other plans that don’t have such an objection.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    I was given verbal assurance (my idiotic mistake to not get it in writing) that the vehicle had been thoroughly checked, inspected and found fine before I bought it.

    Was this used car salesman Joe Isuzu? I am sure by now you realize that it was YOU who should have taken the car to an independent mechanic to have it checked out.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Second, we need to allow insurance companies to compete nationally like all other businesses.

    I think it is the individual states that are standing in the way of that. You know, that pesky state’s rights thing? We’ve seen how well letting the banks compete nationally has worked.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Oh man, you’re killing here!

    Notice I said that it is but ONE option, and that it wouldn’t actually be a government-run program, but a quasi-government option where perhaps a co-op or a non-profit entity actually runs it and the only role that government would play in it would be to make sure that it is covering everyone, and keeps it from reverting to a profit-driven program.

    It wouldn’t be mandatory for anyone to participate in the program, and YOU wouldn’t have to have anything to do with it if you don’t want. But there ARE a lot of people who would participate, and they should have that option available to them if they want it.

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder @ #72:

    I was tossing ideas out there, that’s all. I was kinda hoping someone would pick it up and perhaps come up with their own ideas. I know that a proposal of any kind will have flaws — some more than others. I like having options available, and I don’t see everything as one-size-fits-all. This whole flap about contraception coverage is a prime example. There ARE exceptions, people’s needs can be vastly different, and what works or is needed for one person may not work or go completely against the grain of another person.

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    P.S Hope you enjoyed the trip to Dubai, hell of a place to see.

    It WAS an interesting place. I just wish I had more free time there. The distance to travel both ways tied up a LOT of that time, and the meetings I had took up most of the rest. It didn’t leave much time to really get into it. I also had a helluva time getting connected to my VPN (which is how I usually communicate on the computer when I am away). I have been all over the world, and Dubai was the first place that actually blocked access to my VPN. I have a couple of friends currently in China that use my VPN to surf the web because of the Chinese restrictions on the Internet.
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