Monday Morning Quarterbacking, Po-Po Edition

In which Allahpundit gets all huffy about a tweaker banging her head into the concrete after being tased while trying to escape arrest. (For the second time since she was apprehended).

They cuffed her in front instead of in back, making her a threat to swipe at a cop’s gun if she got within arm’s distance, and they didn’t cuff her to the chair when they were processing her.

Both mistakes, AP, agreed. But it doesn’t logically follow that therefore it was the cops’ fault that she decided to escape arrest. Now then, on to the tasing:

Then watch the dashboard video of what happened in the second clip below. To my eye it looks like the cop is literally within about a foot of her as they enter the frame, but he’s already got his taser out and appears to be slowing up, having presumably decided to just zap her and be done with it.

There’s a different expression for “slowing down after having drawn your weapon with the intention of discharging it”, Allahpundit, and we like to call it “taking aim.” You see, unlike the soap operas that you draw your firearms experience from, real life people who know what they’re doing do not discharge their weapons while running along full tilt. This is mainly because their real weapons don’t have magical Hollywood homing guidance systems built into their projectiles. And, as those of us whom you can trust with a weapon say, “don’t fire it unless you’re sure what you’ll be hitting.”

Otherwise you’ll end up being blog-fodder for Monday Morning Quarterbacks like yourself howling about “irresponsible use of weapons injuring innocents!!!1!111!!!!” Oh, and more importantly, you’ll actually end up hurting innocents people or kitties.

But it’s wonderful that you can cast one expert eye on the situation and conclude that he’s just decided “the hell with it, the bitch is going DOWN!”

I’m not convinced he couldn’t have caught her if he had been running at full speed;

And you know, of course, what the officer in question’s “full speed” is, right? It’s amazing what you can learn about a complete stranger from watching him run for 2 tenths of a second, really it is! You absolutely have to teach me that technique one day, Allahpundit! But OK, given that he could, per your expert testimony, easily have caught a sprightly little thing high on coke running from the law, he would have intercepted her in the parking lot most likely. Going “full speed” and all that. Now, can you tell me with absolute certainty that, had the rather big officer in question tackled her full on, she wouldn’t have smacked her head in the concrete?

Waiting… No, you can’t? OK. Then what’s your point?

on the contrary, it looks like he decided he didn’t need to run because he had the stun gun on his hip to slow her down.

Well, we’re certainly glad that you can say that with such certainty but, then again, there’s that whole “slowing down to take aim” thing. However, since you’ve obviously watched every single episode of Miami Vice, we won’t call your expertise into question. Lazy cop decided he didn’t want to run and deliberately shot the bint down with his taser in order to make her face kiss the concrete.

Next case?

Listen: It’s clearly tragic that the woman ended up in a vegetative state because of an accidental cranial impact with the concrete. She didn’t deserve that. His Imperial Majesty has just had it to his back teeth with the Monday Morning Quarterbacks who simply can’t resist an opportunity to show off their Mad Judgment Skills every time an opportunity arises. The cop was trying, for the second time that day, to keep her from evading arrest, she was running toward a highway and she accidentally hit her head on the concrete when she went down as a result of him trying to stop her.

That’s it. That’s all there is.

What if he hadn’t stopped her and she’d run into the road and got run over, causing a traffic pile up in the process? Would there have been an endless supply of Allahpundits screeching and tearing their hair, complaining about how “easily” the “lazy and incompetent cop” could have stopped her, thus avoiding the mayhem?

You can bet every penny of your savings on it.

Sheesh.

Thatisall.

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LC SecondMouse
LC SecondMouse

I am so sick and tired of the sanctimonious asshats that criticize law enforcement when things like this happen. Members of law enforcement spend all day every day dealing with the absolute armpit of human society. After a few years on the job, most of them have seen things you don’t even want to believe actually exist. The hazards of… Read more »

Delftsman3
Delftsman3

As an ex-LEO, I must say I agree with you whole-heartedly Sire, Lets face it: this Officer is in a no-win situation. I may believe that he could have caught her w/o using the taser, BUT, what would the result have been then?: nobody can say with certainty…she may or may have not received the same injury, and the Officer… Read more »

LC Gunsniper
LC Gunsniper

All I see is a junkie who no longer needs to do illicit drugs to enjoy the vegetative state she wanted to get from drugs.

LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E.
LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E.

One of the major things always overlooked in the hyperbolic reaction to a tasing is that tasers are designed to, and usually extremely effective in, preventing the physical trauma of a hands on take down. When you go fistacuffs with a suspect people get hurt, both the suspect and the cop. Sometimes permanently; dislocated shoulders, shattered cheek bones, broken arms… Read more »

Mark12A
Mark12A

Having been an LEO in the days before tasers AND dashcams, I can tell you with complete personal honesty that a full-speed takedown on a parking lot is going to cause a shitload of trauma. I wrestled a drunk insurance salesman on a parking lot…no chase…when a pistol fell out of his pocket. It got interesting. The inevitable resistance put… Read more »

LC Xealot
LC Xealot

The cop should get a slap on the wrist for the shitty job of restraining the druggie. But that’s it. I bet ten to one the cop was trying to make her more comfortable because she was a young woman, and he felt obliged to be nicer to her out of a sense of chivalry, but that didn’t work out… Read more »

Igor, Imperial Booby
Igor, Imperial Booby

I’d have bet you any amount of money she would have run regardless of whether cuffed in back or in front.

Can’t fault the officer, he had a s*** sandwich to deal with here. She would’ve run out into traffic and become a bug smear on somebody’s bumper

AP can go suck on it. :em07:

FrankOK
FrankOK

With a snootful of coke and oxy, I can’t figure how this little bitch ran like she did – no matter. One less “dope-as-a-way-of-life” type for the cops to deal with.

FYI, your Vileness – while your description was understood, a “tweeker” is street talk for a methhead per the Urban Dictionary.

redc1c4
redc1c4

she was sitting up and moving of her own volition after she hit the concrete. my guess is prompt medical care when she started showing signs of impairment later might have saved her. of course, not doing drugs and not having outstanding warrants would have prevented this too, as would have not trying to escape… sorry, but i don’t have… Read more »

LC Xealot
LC Xealot

This is a pet peeve of mine. We sit there, with 20/20 hindsight, and try to make sense of a situation that took seconds to play out. And when something goes bad, everyone wants to blame the officer, without realizing that this was a split-second call. He didn’t have time to be like “hmmm, let me weigh the merits of… Read more »

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

Gotta take issue with the ‘cant run in cuffs’ argument. I’m not going to say how I know, but I -know- you can make pretty good time with your hands cuffed in front. Second, for those of you who say ‘he could have tackled her’. That’s a load of shit. The injuries from a tackle would have been just as… Read more »

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
VonZorch Imperial Researcher

LC Roguetek @ #:
100% agreement. If that big cop would have tackled her she would have several broken bones, think about it, there’s a reason football players wear body armor.

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

DJ –

High on coke and oxy, and not one, but -two- hit and runs aint exactly a ‘traffic warrant’.

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

Good evening gentlemen and any ladies who happen to stop by. I saw this on Pass Gas this morning and the follow up by the Good Emperor. Now, I have one for you that will probably get your blood boiling. It seems a 61 year old citizen stopped a 27 year old criminal. He did this by firing a warning… Read more »

Cannon Fodder
Cannon Fodder

DJ, what makes you think that “snatching” her by her hair would necessarily have ended any differently, her hands cuffed and all? She could have very easily fell and hit her head just the same. I think cops use the taser far too quickly these days anyway, but this is not a situation that is one that I feel that… Read more »

LC Gunsniper
LC Gunsniper

This cop could have snatched a wad of her hair and ended this.

:em05: Because that would have looked sooooooo much better on the dashcam. :em05:

LC Jackboot IC/A
LC Jackboot IC/A

LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. says: Like my DT instructor said, “Use of force is like making sausage. Even when done right it ain’t pretty to watch.” We musta had the same academy instructors brudda as mine said exactly that. Once you have to go hands-on shit really happens. I’ve never been in a scuffle where both of us… Read more »

Greywolf
Greywolf

Two key phrases come to mind:
“This is your brain on drugs.”
“This is your brain on concrete.”

I’m just a bundle of empathy these days…

0007
0007

I know where this station is. It fronts on US-19 right up the road from a major intersection on the highway. It’s maybe 50 feet from the front door of the station to the highway. IF she had made it to the road she’d probably have caused a major accident resulting in serious injury to INNOCENT people. Only problem I… Read more »

LC MuscleDaddy
LC MuscleDaddy

Cuffing her in front was a bad idea – but I used to be w/FHP (Polk Co.) & Xealot was probably right back @ #6 – trying to be nice to women-folk is real common for those boys – it’s a tendency that keeps them from going to TPD (where the money is, btw). Tackling her – she gets squished… Read more »

readerjp
readerjp

Look on the bright side. Her organs (if still clean) can save many people waiting for transplants.

Also, I have seen people get tasered and it hasn’t stopped them AT ALL. You can’t predict it.

0352crumb crunch
0352crumb crunch

The whole point of the taser is to prevent police officers from having to go “hands on” with suspects. Physical confrontations cause more serious injuries more frequently. The use of force continuum of most if not all police depts. call for chemical agents and tazers to be deployed before heavy hands on techniques. This officer will be cleared in the… Read more »

dcs2244
dcs2244

It’s all fun and games until somebody is in a coma.

Then it’s just fun.

Teufelhunden_JD
Teufelhunden_JD

A little late on this, but the cuffs in front may have been department policy when dealing with an intoxicated individual. Thanks to whackadoos crying over sub-human criminal scum who resist arrest while hopped up on drugs and then proceed to asphyxiate when placed in a position that places their arms behind their back, many departments now require that visibly… Read more »

Mark12A
Mark12A

We had one of our officers shoot a handcuffed suspect way back in the early 70s. The bad guy (arrested for selling marijuana) didn’t die and the officer caught some grief, but survived it. However, the department became pretty emphatic about shooting people in handcuffs. It was considered bad form from then on. A few years later, we iced some… Read more »

Mike M
Mike M

It looks like Florida Highway Patrol troopers are given quite a bit of discretionary latitude when it comes to handcuffing arrestees. From the Florida Highway Patrol Policy Manual… When prisoners will be transported over an extended distance or for an extended period of time, they may be handcuffed with their hands in front. That probably explains why this officer wasn’t… Read more »

LC Gunsniper
LC Gunsniper

I was being sarcastic. After all, it doesn’t seem to matter to anyone here that this girl ended up the way she did. So why not shoot her. Explain exactly why I or anyone else should wail uncontrolably, whip ourselves with a fistfull of palm fronds and take a vow of poverty over a junkie that cares about nobody else… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

LC Gunsniper @ #:
Not sure where the quote “Why not shoot her” came from, but I think I have an answer.

Because bullets are expensive and tasers are actually green? You can recharge them with a solar cell.
:em05:
And yes, I’m being facetious and sarcastic. :em07:

LC Gladiator
LC Gladiator

somebodies got to say it………………………..

“DONT TASE ME,BRO…………………..”

:em05: :em05: :em05: :em05: :em05:

WayneB
WayneB

Again, the cop COULD have caught her. Yeah? Maybe so, but how many times have you caught someone while running full tilt? Keeping away from their feet as you try to grab them is kind of difficult, and, as others have stated, if he tackled her she’d likely be as bad off as she is now, or worse, if not… Read more »

LC Xealot
LC Xealot

Deej, we don’t disagree about what will “probably” happen. We disagree on what SHOULD happen. I believe the family should get jack shit. Sucks for them, I know, but I don’t believe the Police did wrong. Certainly not $3.8 Million worth of wrong. However, I do agree on your summation of jurors. They are representative of the population at large,… Read more »

LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondent
LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondent

“This poor woman” Blah. Just spare me the bleeding heart theater here will ya? Sorry, not feeling a whole lot of empathy here. She’s popping Oxy pills, and taking coke, let’s face it with brutal honesty here…..those are not ‘gateway drugs’ those aren’t drugs used by the average ‘recreational user’…. those drug are the ‘big time’. There’s a 90% chance… Read more »

Mattexian
Mattexian

Apparently “this woman” didn’t heed ANY of the advice in Chris Rock’s instructional video “How not to get your ass kicked by the police!”