Monday Morning Quarterbacking, Po-Po Edition

In which Allahpundit gets all huffy about a tweaker banging her head into the concrete after being tased while trying to escape arrest. (For the second time since she was apprehended).


They cuffed her in front instead of in back, making her a threat to swipe at a cop’s gun if she got within arm’s distance, and they didn’t cuff her to the chair when they were processing her.

Both mistakes, AP, agreed. But it doesn’t logically follow that therefore it was the cops’ fault that she decided to escape arrest. Now then, on to the tasing:

Then watch the dashboard video of what happened in the second clip below. To my eye it looks like the cop is literally within about a foot of her as they enter the frame, but he’s already got his taser out and appears to be slowing up, having presumably decided to just zap her and be done with it.

There’s a different expression for “slowing down after having drawn your weapon with the intention of discharging it”, Allahpundit, and we like to call it “taking aim.” You see, unlike the soap operas that you draw your firearms experience from, real life people who know what they’re doing do not discharge their weapons while running along full tilt. This is mainly because their real weapons don’t have magical Hollywood homing guidance systems built into their projectiles. And, as those of us whom you can trust with a weapon say, “don’t fire it unless you’re sure what you’ll be hitting.”

Otherwise you’ll end up being blog-fodder for Monday Morning Quarterbacks like yourself howling about “irresponsible use of weapons injuring innocents!!!1!111!!!!” Oh, and more importantly, you’ll actually end up hurting innocents people or kitties.

But it’s wonderful that you can cast one expert eye on the situation and conclude that he’s just decided “the hell with it, the bitch is going DOWN!”

I’m not convinced he couldn’t have caught her if he had been running at full speed;

And you know, of course, what the officer in question’s “full speed” is, right? It’s amazing what you can learn about a complete stranger from watching him run for 2 tenths of a second, really it is! You absolutely have to teach me that technique one day, Allahpundit! But OK, given that he could, per your expert testimony, easily have caught a sprightly little thing high on coke running from the law, he would have intercepted her in the parking lot most likely. Going “full speed” and all that. Now, can you tell me with absolute certainty that, had the rather big officer in question tackled her full on, she wouldn’t have smacked her head in the concrete?

Waiting… No, you can’t? OK. Then what’s your point?

on the contrary, it looks like he decided he didn’t need to run because he had the stun gun on his hip to slow her down.

Well, we’re certainly glad that you can say that with such certainty but, then again, there’s that whole “slowing down to take aim” thing. However, since you’ve obviously watched every single episode of Miami Vice, we won’t call your expertise into question. Lazy cop decided he didn’t want to run and deliberately shot the bint down with his taser in order to make her face kiss the concrete.

Next case?

Listen: It’s clearly tragic that the woman ended up in a vegetative state because of an accidental cranial impact with the concrete. She didn’t deserve that. His Imperial Majesty has just had it to his back teeth with the Monday Morning Quarterbacks who simply can’t resist an opportunity to show off their Mad Judgment Skills every time an opportunity arises. The cop was trying, for the second time that day, to keep her from evading arrest, she was running toward a highway and she accidentally hit her head on the concrete when she went down as a result of him trying to stop her.

That’s it. That’s all there is.

What if he hadn’t stopped her and she’d run into the road and got run over, causing a traffic pile up in the process? Would there have been an endless supply of Allahpundits screeching and tearing their hair, complaining about how “easily” the “lazy and incompetent cop” could have stopped her, thus avoiding the mayhem?

You can bet every penny of your savings on it.

Sheesh.

Thatisall.

50 comments

  1. 1
    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    I am so sick and tired of the sanctimonious asshats that criticize law enforcement when things like this happen.
    Members of law enforcement spend all day every day dealing with the absolute armpit of human society. After a few years on the job, most of them have seen things you don’t even want to believe actually exist. The hazards of the job put their health and life at risk every day. All for a smaller paycheck than a union teacher in Illinois working nine months a year.

    Look, it’s this simple: Sometimes shit just happens to good people, and if you happen to be a whacked-out junkie running from the law, shit tends to be a little more likely to happen to you. Period. Get off the LEO’s back – dealing with the consequences of stuff like this is hard enough even when you think the people you serve are supporting you.

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    Delftsman3 growls and barks:

    As an ex-LEO, I must say I agree with you whole-heartedly Sire,

    Lets face it: this Officer is in a no-win situation. I may believe that he could have caught her w/o using the taser, BUT, what would the result have been then?: nobody can say with certainty…she may or may have not received the same injury, and the Officer may have sustained some injury as well, but even if she received NO injury, the Officer would still be receiving public approbation from all the easy chair quarterbacks such as Allahpundit, ie “big strong man manhandling a small female subject”.

    I believe that she reaped what she sowed; she tried to flee from legal detention and she directly contributed to her condition. PERIOD. End of story.
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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    All I see is a junkie who no longer needs to do illicit drugs to enjoy the vegetative state she wanted to get from drugs.

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    One of the major things always overlooked in the hyperbolic reaction to a tasing is that tasers are designed to, and usually extremely effective in, preventing the physical trauma of a hands on take down. When you go fistacuffs with a suspect people get hurt, both the suspect and the cop. Sometimes permanently; dislocated shoulders, shattered cheek bones, broken arms and elbows, etc. Tasers give a transitory (key word there Allahpundit. Transitory, look it up) incapacitation which allows for a now suddenly compliant suspect to be cuffed. Amazingly enough once someone is cuffed, properly, they usually can’t resist you anymore and there’s no more need for force. Amazing concept huh?

    Sad thing is that, as His Vileness pointed out, most people get their UOF training from TV. Reality is far from being that pretty. Like my DT instructor said, “Use of force is like making sausage. Even when done right it ain’t pretty to watch.”

    AP, if you want to wax eloquent about a use of force, get the certification and participate in a few. Until then take your analysis of a dashcam clip and shove it.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Having been an LEO in the days before tasers AND dashcams, I can tell you with complete personal honesty that a full-speed takedown on a parking lot is going to cause a shitload of trauma. I wrestled a drunk insurance salesman on a parking lot…no chase…when a pistol fell out of his pocket. It got interesting. The inevitable resistance put up by a doper will likely result in a serious ass kicking. I busted a 12ga shotgun when I buttstroked a burglar stoned to the eyes with PCP across his noggin. It caused a bit of brain damage to him…he drooled for a very long time…but I figure he wasn’t using his brain for much either.

    Neither was this bitch, apparently. Small loss.

    Allahpundit, kiss my ass.

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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    The cop should get a slap on the wrist for the shitty job of restraining the druggie. But that’s it. I bet ten to one the cop was trying to make her more comfortable because she was a young woman, and he felt obliged to be nicer to her out of a sense of chivalry, but that didn’t work out so well. Still, his mistake was a minor one. Her mistake was the major fault here.

    She didn’t have to run. That was her choice. She didn’t have to do the drugs, get in the accidents, flee from the scene, run from the cops and force a situation which put her at greater risk of death or injury. Chris Rock said it best: Everybody knows, if the Police have come get you, they’re bringin’ an ass whoopin’ with ‘em. Or in this case, a nice jolt of taser juice. I have no sympathy for her.

    Let’s be honest, she was obviously worthless to society as it was — a tweaker who had already gone through with two hit-and-runs, on a cocktail of drugs, who probably would have killed herself with an overdose sooner or later anyway. The real tragedy wasn’t that she was brain damaged from this… it’s the police officer who may lose his job, and will probably be haunted with the guilt for the rest of his life.

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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    I’d have bet you any amount of money she would have run regardless of whether cuffed in back or in front.

    Can’t fault the officer, he had a s*** sandwich to deal with here. She would’ve run out into traffic and become a bug smear on somebody’s bumper

    AP can go suck on it. :em07:

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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    With a snootful of coke and oxy, I can’t figure how this little bitch ran like she did – no matter. One less “dope-as-a-way-of-life” type for the cops to deal with.

    FYI, your Vileness – while your description was understood, a “tweeker” is street talk for a methhead per the Urban Dictionary.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Oh for crying out loud! This cop could have easily grabbed a hold of this woman in the time it took him to reach for his taser.

    The taser has made cops lazy. Heaven forbid he might have had to actually worked up a bead of sweat trying to run after her. But no, his main intention was to “punish” her for his stupidity in the first place. And for what? A warrant on a fucking traffic ticket? Seriously?

    This WAS excessive force. Legal? Sure. But tell that to a jury who will see that this cop had many other options available to him that didn’t involve punishing pain.
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    redc1c4 growls and barks:

    she was sitting up and moving of her own volition after she hit the concrete.

    my guess is prompt medical care when she started showing signs of impairment later might have saved her.

    of course, not doing drugs and not having outstanding warrants would have prevented this too, as would have not trying to escape…

    sorry, but i don’t have a whole lot of sympathy for her or her family. good thing for them i’m not in the jury pool.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Secondly, have any of you tried to run with handcuffs on? Hands behind the back is almost impossible. Hand cuffed in front will allow you to run, but not very fast and not very far. It is physics. You need your arms to swing to get momentum and speed. Otherwise, you are just going to walk fast, and not really in a straight line.

    This cop could have snatched a wad of her hair and ended this.

    Also, watch the cop’s legs during all of this. She pulled away because he tried to stop and take a firing stance.

    Yes, redc1c4, none of this would have happened if she hadn’t done drugs, or had outstanding warrants. None of this would have happened if the cop had her in control from the start, and this wouldn’t have happened if he had just tried to catch her, instead of being lazy and using his taser.

    I suppose that she should have been grateful he didn’t just shoot her.

    I don’t know if I would blame the LEO 100% on this one though. He acted as he was probably trained to act, without taking into consideration that there was probably a less invasive way to react to a situation like this.

    First, he must assume that all prisoners are going to rabbit if given a chance. Control is the key, and that means restraints behind the back. But he must have thought she wasn’t a threat, so he cuffed her with hands in front. She then tried to run. The question is, when did he then decide she WAS a threat that warranted a taser instead of just running after her?
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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Oh for crying out loud! This cop could have easily grabbed a hold of this woman in the time it took him to reach for his taser.

    The taser has made cops lazy. Heaven forbid he might have had to actually worked up a bead of sweat trying to run after her. But no, his main intention was to “punish” her for his stupidity in the first place. And for what? A warrant on a fucking traffic ticket? Seriously?

    This WAS excessive force. Legal? Sure. But tell that to a jury who will see that this cop had many other options available to him that didn’t involve punishing pain.
    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen recently posted..Everybody Wants to Rule the World ~ Tears for Fears

    A mere “traffic ticket?” Come on, Deej. Two hit-and-runs (that’s pretty serious) and being hopped up on Coke and Oxycotin, and then trying to evade police. That’s a lot more than a “traffic ticket.” Let’s be honest, if it had been a man doing that, he’d have gotten his ass kicked, and nobody would shed a tear. The cop didn’t want to physically harm her, so he went for the taser. It’s a split-second decision. Does he grab the woman, possibly get into a physical confrontation, then get sued for hurting a woman with unnecessary force, or does he use a taser on her? He has all of about 1 second to make this decision.

    She landed wrong. She got brain damage… it was bad luck, combined with the blatant stupidity that convinced her to run in the first place. If you do that, you ARE taking a risk that you will be seriously injured.

    Is it tragic? Yeah. This young woman threw her life away. If she had made it to US19 (and I -live- next to US19, Deej, it’s the WORST highway in the state)… she would have died, almost guaranteed. So yeah, let the woman run, and she dies. Beat the crap out of the woman (at this point, hopped up on drugs, she would likely have put up a fight, requiring nasty physical restraint) or tase the woman. I would have used the taser too.

    I’m very much against police brutality which can, does and HAS happened. But this ain’t it. This is a dumbass getting a big dose of Karma.

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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    This is a pet peeve of mine. We sit there, with 20/20 hindsight, and try to make sense of a situation that took seconds to play out. And when something goes bad, everyone wants to blame the officer, without realizing that this was a split-second call. He didn’t have time to be like “hmmm, let me weigh the merits of taser versus hair yank, and maybe have a debate about pepper spray.” His prisoner was escaping, on drugs, and obviously didn’t have her wits about her.

    Maybe people should take that into account before condemning the man, or blaming him. Was cuffing in the front a bad call? Yep. But not worthy of blaming him for the escape attempt that followed. If I leave my door unlocked, is it OK for a criminal to come in and steal my shit? Is it OK for her to run because the cop was being nice to her?

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Yes, redc1c4, none of this would have happened if she hadn’t done drugs, or had outstanding warrants. None of this would have happened if the cop had her in control from the start, and this wouldn’t have happened if he had just tried to catch her, instead of being lazy and using his taser.

    Deej, cop’s don’t use tasers because they’re “lazy”, they use them to prevent having to beat the ever loving shit out of someone, which causes serious injury to at the very least the suspect, if not the cop as well. What is he gonna do once he catches her? Is she just gonna go “Oh you caught me, OK”. That’s not the way it works. When he caught her she most probably would have physically resisted, and even if she didn’t the take down is gonna create a high probability of serious injury. A taser is TRANSITORY pain compliance which renders the suspect unable to resist and hurt the cop or themselves. It is the preferred, least risky way, way to incapacitate a suspect. And a lot less permanent than yanking out half her hair like you suggested. Tasers are pretty low on the UOF continuum, below physical force, precisely because they’re transitory, just like OC is. It goes away after a while with no permanent injury.

    Yeah, he fucked up by not having her properly cuffed, but as I wasn’t there and don’t know FHP policy verbatim, I’m not going to second guess that too much. He may have been perfectly justified to do that at the time, or not, I don’t know. What I do know is that I gurandamntee you he didn’t tase her with the intent that she would end up a vegetable.
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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Gotta take issue with the ‘cant run in cuffs’ argument. I’m not going to say how I know, but I -know- you can make pretty good time with your hands cuffed in front.

    Second, for those of you who say ‘he could have tackled her’. That’s a load of shit. The injuries from a tackle would have been just as bad, if not worse. Think about it. which does more damage, falling down, or being -slammed- into the pavement by a rather beefy cop?

    Long story short, This is self inflicted stupidity. And you might recall, I’m normally the first guy in the room to line up to kick a cop in the slats.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC Roguetek @ #:
    100% agreement. If that big cop would have tackled her she would have several broken bones, think about it, there’s a reason football players wear body armor.

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Oh for crying out loud! This cop could have easily grabbed a hold of this woman in the time it took him to reach for his taser.
    The taser has made cops lazy. Heaven forbid he might have had to actually worked up a bead of sweat trying to run after her. But no, his main intention was to “punish” her for his stupidity in the first place. And for what? A warrant on a fucking traffic ticket? Seriously?
    This WAS excessive force. Legal? Sure. But tell that to a jury who will see that this cop had many other options available to him that didn’t involve punishing pain.

    Shit. This is exactly what I was talking about in my post above.

    I knew an officer years ago who chased a junkie just like this one, tackled him to the ground and got stuck with a needle through the perp’s jacket pocket. Imagine what that is like – waiting weeks to get test results back to find out if you have started dying or not. No joke. Perfect 20-20 hindsight cannot be the standard we apply to the actions of the moment in law enforcement, especially when a freakish head injury is the (alleged) outcome.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    DJ –

    High on coke and oxy, and not one, but -two- hit and runs aint exactly a ‘traffic warrant’.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Good evening gentlemen and any ladies who happen to stop by. I saw this on Pass Gas this morning and the follow up by the Good Emperor.
    Now, I have one for you that will probably get your blood boiling. It seems a 61 year old citizen stopped a 27 year old criminal. He did this by firing a warning shot.
    Now the citizen is looking at a felony charge.
    Where is this happening?
    In MY home state of New Hampshire!
    :em08:
    We got rid of most of the democrats who had been wrecking the state in the last election, but it seems we may have missed a few.
    Now I suspect the county attorney is going to have a problem with getting a grand jury to indict the citizen and if the comments section in the Union Leader are any guide, I think they will have a hard time finding a jury to convict him.
    :em07:
    Still I think he needs all our support, and I need to see if this idiot county attorney has a challenger for his office.
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    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    DJ, what makes you think that “snatching” her by her hair would necessarily have ended any differently, her hands cuffed and all? She could have very easily fell and hit her head just the same.

    I think cops use the taser far too quickly these days anyway, but this is not a situation that is one that I feel that the cop and police department should be sued for what happened.

    As for the warrants that brought her to the situation, they avoided expounding on the severity of the damage involved in the hit and run charges. We don’t know if there were any kind of injuries involved …. do we? I didn’t watch the whole video. The first guy that started flapping his pie hole pissed me off so much I had to stop it.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    This cop could have snatched a wad of her hair and ended this.

    :em05: Because that would have looked sooooooo much better on the dashcam. :em05:

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. says:

    Like my DT instructor said, “Use of force is like making sausage. Even when done right it ain’t pretty to watch.”

    We musta had the same academy instructors brudda as mine said exactly that. Once you have to go hands-on shit really happens. I’ve never been in a scuffle where both of us didn’t get injured to some extent, hell I had my damn kneecap dislocated once and had to stay in the fight, with backup miles away. I’m sure my LEO brethren would agree with the UOF concept that once you get into that physical realm, then things progress a bit faster towards that ultimate use. It’s just way to easy for a duster to make a grab for your sidearm and we unfortunately know how that will end.

    My old gang was just bringing Tasers online when I retired, so I didn’t get a chance to do patrol work with them. I sure as HELL would’ve loved it if I did. I recall way too many scuffles where that would’ve have ended it instantly. As others have indicated here, you will slow down and likely stop once you’ve transitioned to an aimed weapon for accurate aim. The response (to slow down) is instinctive.

    BTW this grab her hair to stop her is bullshit. I loved to grab a handful and twist when I was close-up as it’s pretty damn effective for use on knuckleheads NOT cranked out and the pain receptors anesthetized by whatever narcotic has been ingested. In this case the LEO would like have ended up with a nice handful of hair and a bit of scalp and then seeing the dirtbag boogeying down the road.

    Jeez, the Boss is spot-fucking-on here, we just don’t have enough skin in this game to sit on our fat-lazy asses and toss bricks with all the time in the world to consider our points.

    ….mheh….

    PS-I you haven’t had your kneecap dislocated, I do NOT recommend it for entertaining yourself, it ain’t.
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    Greywolf growls and barks:

    Two key phrases come to mind:
    “This is your brain on drugs.”
    “This is your brain on concrete.”

    I’m just a bundle of empathy these days…

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    0007 growls and barks:

    I know where this station is. It fronts on US-19 right up the road from a major intersection on the highway. It’s maybe 50 feet from the front door of the station to the highway. IF she had made it to the road she’d probably have caused a major accident resulting in serious injury to INNOCENT people.
    Only problem I see here is that (as usual) once again taxpayers will be paying for the stupid life-style choices of the self-indugent.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Xealot says:

    Does he grab the woman, possibly get into a physical confrontation, then get sued for hurting a woman with unnecessary force, or does he use a taser on her?

    Is there a difference here?

    Seriously, all he had to do was grab her. She weighs what, a buck, if that? A taser seems to be a bit of an overkill here.

    Like I said, tasers have made cops lazy. Even my cop friends will tell you that. It is like the “go-to” tool in subduing someone. Get mouthy? Tase. Get squirrelly? Tase. Bored? Tase.

    You and I both know that a jury is going to get this case if the police department doesn’t settle first. The jury only has to see the video and it is all over. A reasonable person would conclude that there were other options available, and that the cop chose the easy one.

    20/20 hindsight? Certainly. Same with the Monday morning quarterbacking. I am certain that even the cop probably wishes he had done it differently. I am also sure that this wasn’t his intended outcome.

    But we ALL know how this is going to turn out, don’t we? The cops will settle because the video is just too damaging to defend. This was a girl picked up on traffic warrants (yes, for hit and run, which could describe just about any kind of unattended sideswipe) They were described as misdemeanors, which indicates that they weren’t all that serious. She was stupid to run, but the cop was careless for the way he restrained her to begin with.

    For the record, I probably would have shot her — she was escaping, and I AM lazy. Besides stupid is, as stupid does. Ironically, the cop probably wouldn’t be facing the problems he’s facing now if he would have shot her. It is kind of accepted practice to shoot people trying to escape police custody.

    Taser? That is a horse of a different color. People look at that differently for some reason. Kinda like a non-lethal thing gone bad.

    The only reason I take the position I did was because I know exactly how this will play out. Like it or not, you aren’t going to beat the jury on this one.
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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    Cuffing her in front was a bad idea – but I used to be w/FHP (Polk Co.) & Xealot was probably right back @ #6 – trying to be nice to women-folk is real common for those boys – it’s a tendency that keeps them from going to TPD (where the money is, btw).

    Tackling her – she gets squished to the pavement.

    Putting on a quick burst of speed & nudging her from behind – she face-plants into the pavement.

    ‘Grabbing a handful of hair’ – She freaks, spins & probably corkscrews like some coked-up tether-ball …to the pavement.

    Paralyze yourself trying to think of a way to stop her without any chance of injury – the tweaker runs out onto US19 and gets turned into a pinball by a bunch of blind retirees from Michigan & NJ – until she turns into a smear – whereupon Deej gnashes-teeth & rends-hair over ‘why OH WHY couldn’t those rotten bastards have at least tasered her – which would have been better than how she ended up!?!!?’

    Taser – she jerks straight and crumples to the pavement.

    …not that that worked out so well either.

    And of course the family is ‘ready to sue’ – they cared for and nurtured her so lovingly when she was growing up that she ended coked & ‘contin’d, leaving accident scenes and making good decisions like ‘running from cops while handcuffed’ – how could they not feel the righteous rage of a thousand burning suns…

    I look at that & read AP & Deej… man I’m glad that’s not me anymore.

    – MD

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    LC MuscleDaddy says:

    Cuffing her in front was a bad idea – but I used to be w/FHP (Polk Co.) & Xealot was probably right back @ #6 – trying to be nice to women-folk is real common for those boys – it’s a tendency that keeps them from going to TPD (where the money is, btw).

    Yep, I can see how this happened. The woman probably started out nice as pie. “Officer my arms hurt with these cuffs on behind my back” Not restraining her properly is where this officer was at fault.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    But we ALL know how this is going to turn out, don’t we? The cops will settle because the video is just too damaging to defend. This was a girl picked up on traffic warrants (yes, for hit and run, which could describe just about any kind of unattended sideswipe) They were described as misdemeanors, which indicates that they weren’t all that serious. She was stupid to run, but the cop was careless for the way he restrained her to begin with.

    You may be right and the family will win a big settlement, if the department does not settle, though I’m not convinced. If you watch this incident without knowing how it ends, it falls on the good side of a questionable tazing.

    I’m sure the officer is second guessing himself, any decent person would. But by the odds, it was the safest thing he could have done at that point.

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    readerjp growls and barks:

    Look on the bright side. Her organs (if still clean) can save many people waiting for transplants.

    Also, I have seen people get tasered and it hasn’t stopped them AT ALL. You can’t predict it.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    But by the odds, it was the safest thing he could have done at that point.

    Maybe, but I am just looking at it from the eyes of the most important audience — the jury. They are going to see the officer slow down long enough to get a stance — right at the time where he could have simply reached out and grabbed her. Or at least that will be the optics of it.

    No matter how you look at it, it sucks. Like I said — and as crazy as it sounds — shooting her would have caused less problems in the long run.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    Yep, I can see how this happened. The woman probably started out nice as pie. “Officer my arms hurt with these cuffs on behind my back” Not restraining her properly is where this officer was at fault.

    ‘Zactly. A mistake, to be sure, but I can see myself making the same mistake. Poor dear is a woman (and yes, some of us menfolk still have inhibitions where girls are concerned) and appears compliant so, heck, why be “mean” about it? We’ll just write her up, do the paperwork and be on our way. Coincidentally, I can’t help but wonder if they already knew her as a repeat offender from before, not unusual with dope heads, and remembered her as compliant in the past. Speculation, I know, but I can see that scenario clearly.

    And Deej, please. You know as well as I do that when a conflict becomes physical, some damage is guaranteed no matter who “wins.” I’ve been in a number of fights (as I’m sure we all have) and I’ve won some and got my arse kicked in some. The one thing they all had in common was that I always ended up with some kind of hurt even when I won overwhelmingly. It only takes one lucky sucker punch from the other guy or some unfortunate move on your own part to guarantee that, and it doesn’t matter if the “other guy” is a gal. Care to have an ear bit off, an eye gouged out or take a knee to the groin? I sure as fuck don’t.

    And our law enforcement officers are hired to enforce the law. They’re NOT hired to offer themselves up as punching bags when an alternative exists. With the taser, such an alternative does exist and, in 99.9% of cases, it benefits both the officer and the perp. Once again: Our law enforcement officers are NOT hired to be punching bags. They, too, would like to not end up in a wheelchair or gimping around on crutches or having their wedding tackle crushed to a bloody pulp. If avoiding that means having to give a perp a jolt of the volts that won’t hurt anybody in most cases, then I’ll be damned if I’ll be cussing the officer out for choosing NOT to end up permanently disabled on the government dole just for trying to do his damn fucking job. It’s the police, not the WWF. They’re cops. Ordinary people just like you and me who would like not to be disabled on the job, they’re not fucking Batman.

    That her luck had run out and she ended up crushing her turnip on the pavement is sad, but she brought it on herself and the officer acted exactly the way he should have, in my opinion. My prayers go out to him. Not because of the ridiculous and utterly predictable lawsuit that some ambulance chasing contingency fee trial lawyer vermin is sure to bring, but because the poor guy will be living with it for the rest of his life even though he did NOTHING wrong.

    If you don’t want to get tased, don’t try to flee. It’s as simple as that. If you believe you’re being unlawfully detained or whatnot, then take it up in court.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster says:

    Now, I have one for you that will probably get your blood boiling. It seems a 61 year old citizen stopped a 27 year old criminal. He did this by firing a warning shot.
    Now the citizen is looking at a felony charge.

    One thing at a time here, because there are two sides, or at least I’m trying to see it that way.

    My personal opinion is that the gentleman acted perfectly reasonably given his age and the circumstances AND the fact that his warning shot was aimed at the ground. That last bit is quite important in my opinion. If he’d fired into the air I wouldn’t have seen it quite the same way since bullets don’t stop until they hit something. The ground is OK. So in my opinion he shouldn’t be facing anything at this point. He stopped a crime in progress in a perfectly safe and responsible way, he even unloaded his weapon while waiting for the cops to arrive. I don’t see a problem, personally. He’s a White Hat.

    Then there’s the other side: I don’t know about the local laws about discharging firearms where he was at and, even though they may be stupid (a lot of laws are because they fail to acknowledge different situations such as the one he found himself in), they’re still the law. I also don’t know where he was aiming, other than that it was the ground (which is a great plus. Can’t emphasize that too much). The article says that it was “well away” from the perp. That doesn’t translate directly into inches, feet or yards for me. I want to believe that he, considering the responsible way in which he behaved in all other aspects, was truly aiming well away from the perp as in “right in front of himself”, I don’t believe for a second that he was aiming right in front of the goblin, but I can’t know. Again, I personally don’t give a shit whether he was aiming to ventilate the goblin scumbag, I’m only talking about the law here and I’m at a disadvantage because I don’t know the exact statutes in question.

    Then there’s the charge of “reckless endangerment” which, in my opinion, is utterly and completely bogus, based on the article. If anything, the gentleman in question went out of his way to NOT be “reckless” and, unless the “well away” is an embellishment on his part, there’s no “endangerment” either, unless you’re really concerned about the well-being of groundhogs and earth worms, which I’m not.

    What I am hoping is the case here is that the charges brought against him will fizzle out and that they’re only intended as a way to not encourage random citizens to go discharging their Saturday Night Specials willy-nilly into the air or wherever they might fire them every time they see a crime in progress in order to get somebody’s attention, unlike our hero who appears to have shown remarkable restraint and foresight.

    I’m on his side for sure and I, like you, would never vote to convict if I found myself on the jury in a case like that. Of course, I wouldn’t vote to convict even if he’d drilled a third eye hole in the forehead of the goblin piece of shit. I take property rights very seriously and, fortunately, so does the state in which I’m blessed to reside. My shit represents hours of my life that I had to work in order to afford it, so if you try to steal or destroy my shit, you’re stealing or destroying parts of my life that I will never get back. And I feel the exact same way about my neighbors’ shit.

    If, however, the County Attorney is trying to make an example of the good citizen in this case so he can add a scalp to his collection, then I certainly recommend the old and true remedy of rope, tree and scumbag (some assembly required).
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    0352crumb crunch growls and barks:

    The whole point of the taser is to prevent police officers from having to go “hands on” with suspects. Physical confrontations cause more serious injuries more frequently. The use of force continuum of most if not all police depts. call for chemical agents and tazers to be deployed before heavy hands on techniques. This officer will be cleared in the civil suit no problem. If anything the officer should be commended for preventing the suspect from making her way into traffic where she could have caused multiple wrecks and a multitude of injuries.

  33. 33
    dcs2244 growls and barks:

    It’s all fun and games until somebody is in a coma.

    Then it’s just fun.

  34. 34
    Teufelhunden_JD growls and barks:

    A little late on this, but the cuffs in front may have been department policy when dealing with an intoxicated individual.

    Thanks to whackadoos crying over sub-human criminal scum who resist arrest while hopped up on drugs and then proceed to asphyxiate when placed in a position that places their arms behind their back, many departments now require that visibly intoxicated individuals be cuffed in front to avoid positional asphyxia. And now we see the results of this: those same people think they can still get away, and the same people who told us we couldn’t cuff them behind their back on the off chance that they might get hurt while violently resisting arrest now tell us it is our fault that they decided to run and proceeded to die while resisting arrest.

    The place to challenge your arrest is in court, not by arguing with / running from / pulling away from / fighting the cops. I have no pity for anyone who comes to harm while resisting arrest, up to and including permanent disability and death. This moron’s injuries weren’t caused by being cuffed in front, and they weren’t caused by the taser. They were caused by resisting arrest, and when you choose to resist arrest you assume the risk that your apprehension may result in accidental injury. Too bad, and I’ll look your family in the eyes in front of your drooling, mindless husk and tell them the same thing.

  35. 35

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Seriously, all he had to do was grab her. She weighs what, a buck, if that? A taser seems to be a bit of an overkill here.

    Then you don’t understand the UOF continuum Deej. Tasering is anything but overkill. People think tasering is bad because of the physical reaction of a suspect when he gets zapped. In fact it only lasts a few seconds and it’s done. I’d rather get teased then pepper sprayed, OC takes 15-45 minutes to stop burning. And I definitely would prefer tasiing to getting my ass beat. DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    You and I both know that a jury is going to get this case if the police department doesn’t settle first. The jury only has to see the video and it is all over. A reasonable person would conclude that there were other options available, and that the cop chose the easy one.

    He chose the best option, the one that would present the least chance of injury to himself and the suspect. This may or may not be settled; settling usually is the cheaper alternative, but considering we’re looking at life long care for the girl, the requested amount may be enough to prompt FHP to say “See ya in court”. I am confident that a jury, when hearing expert testimony about tasers and UOF, will side with the cop on this one.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    For the record, I probably would have shot her — she was escaping, and I AM lazy. Besides stupid is, as stupid does. Ironically, the cop probably wouldn’t be facing the problems he’s facing now if he would have shot her. It is kind of accepted practice to shoot people trying to escape police custody.

    And you would be facing felony murder charges. Yeah, the cop wouldn’t be facing the problems he’s facing now, he’d be in jail waiting indictment. I have no fucking clue where you woudl get the idea shooting a fleeing suspect is “accepted practice”. Fleeing felon was tossed out back in the ’60′s or ’70′s IIRC.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    We had one of our officers shoot a handcuffed suspect way back in the early 70s. The bad guy (arrested for selling marijuana) didn’t die and the officer caught some grief, but survived it. However, the department became pretty emphatic about shooting people in handcuffs. It was considered bad form from then on.

    A few years later, we iced some scumbag who was escaping from a robbery. We fired, and he went down hard. We ran up to him and told him not to move, and he complied. He was laying on his face, so we handcuffed him…policy. When we turned him over we noticed that he had caught a load of 00 in his noodle and he was off to the next life.

    Now OF COURSE the local NAACP shorts smear came on the news and claimed we had executed him while he was handcuffed. Enter the FBI, state attorney’s office, and all the usual suspects. Our saving grace was the ME found a pellet had entered the heel of his hand and travelled up his forearm, just like it would have been if he were holding a gun. It did not save anyone from a lot of sphincter-puckering terror of being A Cop In Prison.

    The bottom line is, if you’re a cop, take along plenty of Astroglide because whatever happens, you’re going to get a thorough screwing.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. says:

    And you would be facing felony murder charges. Yeah, the cop wouldn’t be facing the problems he’s facing now, he’d be in jail waiting indictment. I have no fucking clue where you woudl get the idea shooting a fleeing suspect is “accepted practice”. Fleeing felon was tossed out back in the ’60?s or ’70?s IIRC.

    I was being sarcastic. After all, it doesn’t seem to matter to anyone here that this girl ended up the way she did. So why not shoot her.

    The thing is, she WASN’T wanted for a felony warrant. It really wasn’t that important if she had gotten away — if only for a few blocks. She wasn’t armed, and she posed no immediate threat. The cop, for some reason, couldn’t grab her as fast as he could grab his toy.

    On a more somber note, Trooper Tony Radulescu lost his life early this morning to a meth head who had publicly stated he was going to shoot a cop if the ever tried to arrest him again.
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    Mike M growls and barks:

    It looks like Florida Highway Patrol troopers are given quite a bit of discretionary latitude when it comes to handcuffing arrestees.

    From the Florida Highway Patrol Policy Manual

    When prisoners will be transported over an extended distance or for an
    extended period of time, they may be handcuffed with their hands in
    front.

    That probably explains why this officer wasn’t disciplined for any policy violations. Doubt that would be the case, though, had that woman successfully escaped from his custody.

  39. 39
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    I was being sarcastic. After all, it doesn’t seem to matter to anyone here that this girl ended up the way she did. So why not shoot her.

    Explain exactly why I or anyone else should wail uncontrolably, whip ourselves with a fistfull of palm fronds and take a vow of poverty over a junkie that cares about nobody else or especially herself.

  40. 40
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    LC Gunsniper @ #:
    Not sure where the quote “Why not shoot her” came from, but I think I have an answer.

    Because bullets are expensive and tasers are actually green? You can recharge them with a solar cell.
    :em05:
    And yes, I’m being facetious and sarcastic. :em07:
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  41. 41
    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    The thing is, she WASN’T wanted for a felony warrant. It really wasn’t that important if she had gotten away — if only for a few blocks. She wasn’t armed, and she posed no immediate threat. The cop, for some reason, couldn’t grab her as fast as he could grab his toy.

    Ah. So just let the perp get away. From a police station. That’s your solution, Deej? The perp chose to run from the cops. Everybody knows… when you do that, it could get ugly. A freak accident combined with taking a dumb risk took this woman’s higher brain functions — not that they were helping her much to begin with.

    I’m sick of this. Let’s all be nicey-nice to the coked out perp who likes to smash into people’s cars and run away from the scene. The woman was about to run out into traffic and risk further damage to other peoples’ property (and herself).

    5 years ago, I had a roommate who had his car stolen. The perps went on a joyride, and the cops found them on the highway and chased them down. The fuckers bailed out of the car and ran, and for whatever reason, the cops let them get away. The car was trashed. When my roommate confronted the officers about why they didn’t go after the perps, the officers said “they are probably just a bunch of a kids, we don’t want to hurt them.” Seriously? A State trooper lived in the apartment above us, and had come out to see what the ruckus was all about.

    After the officers left, the State Trooper said “yeah, even if they caught ‘em, they’d prolly get off on a misdemeanor, not grand theft. Back in the day that happened too, but we could at least take ‘em out behind the car and beat the tar out of them. Generally, they stopped doing that shit after you did that. Not these days, though.” If there’s no consequences to committing crime, Deej, then the criminals keep doing it. If there’s no consequences to running from the cops, and they aren’t even allowed to stop you from doing it, then why not?

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Xealot says:

    Ah. So just let the perp get away. From a police station. That’s your solution, Deej?

    Get away where? She had handcuffs on, she wasn’t going to get far. Again, the cop COULD have caught her.

    I ask again, have you ever tried to run with your hands restrained? You might go a short distance, but you are likely to fall down if you try to go too fast. You need your arms swinging to control a run, and not having the ability to swing your arms will cause you to use up waaaaay too much energy for a long distance run. It is all about physics. This is why it is permissible to cuff a prisoner in the front. If the prisoner attempts to run, they aren’t going far.

    You should try it sometime. Have someone tie your hands in front of you and then try to see how far and fast you can run. Try to negotiate a few turns too. You will see that it isn’t easy to do, and you will tire out real quick.

    I found this out myself last night on Frank’s obstacle course. Granted, I am not as young and spry as I used to be, but I can still go for a good run. Having my hands cuffed in front of me was VERY difficult. Having them cuffed behind me was impossible and I have the road rash on my face this morning to prove it.

    So sure, let her run. The cop could have almost walked up to her and recaptured her if only he tried. And even if he didn’t catch her right away, where is she going to go with handcuffs on? She wasn’t a dangerous criminal, she was wanted for traffic warrants — misdemeanor hit an run.

    But all of that is immaterial. The cop could have grabbed her.
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  43. 43
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    somebodies got to say it………………………..

    “DONT TASE ME,BRO…………………..”

    :em05: :em05: :em05: :em05: :em05:

  44. 44
    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    And even if he didn’t catch her right away, where is she going to go with handcuffs on? She wasn’t a dangerous criminal, she was wanted for traffic warrants — misdemeanor hit an run.
    But all of that is immaterial. The cop could have grabbed her.

    1. She was making a beeline for US19, and probably death or dismemberment.
    2. Hit & Runs plus obviously being out of her fucking mind (later found out to be because of drugs). Not just “traffic warrants.”
    3. Maybe he could have, maybe not. You weren’t there. Videos don’t tell the whole story. Did the cop eat too many donuts, and thus was out of breath? Had he expended himself in his short run? Quite possible. Was he going to outrun a skinny girl on coke, handcuffs or no? Maybe! Maybe not. Did the taser stop the perp? YES! Guaranteed stop. But then you have a freak accident and a brain-dead perp. Still her fault for running in the first place — things can go wrong when you do that.

    All this does is discourage cops from stopping escaping perps in the future. Don’t want this to happen to you? Then don’t get high and go for some hit-and-runs. Don’t try to flee when you are caught. Don’t run for a busy highway when you do run away.

    Who the hell said we have to guarantee that these people are going to be safe when they are ESCAPING?

    Even if I were to agree with you that it was wrong (an admission I do NOT make)… who are we to sit there and point fingers at this guy? Split-second reactions and decisions are not always going to be ideal, and you (or your family) shouldn’t get to sue for $3.8 million or whatever the hell it is with any reasonable chance of victory when your own sorry, dumbass decision making brought you to this end.

    Lastly, I know the lawyer involved in this case PERSONALLY. I won’t explain how, I really don’t want to cause trouble for myself, but I will say he is a known ambulance chaser and self-described “lawyer to the stars” (only small local ones, really) who says the most scummy things. His whole goal is to make piles of money for himself arguing cases of dubious authenticity where there is a strong emotional component. He’s very expert on tugging the heartstrings of people in order to get the verdict he wants without clear, strong evidence. The lion’s share of the money is probably going to go to him, not the “victim’s” family. He’s also on Bubba’s show; listen if you don’t believe me. The very fact that he is involved immediately put the stench of stupidity around the case.

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    WayneB growls and barks:

    Again, the cop COULD have caught her.

    Yeah? Maybe so, but how many times have you caught someone while running full tilt? Keeping away from their feet as you try to grab them is kind of difficult, and, as others have stated, if he tackled her she’d likely be as bad off as she is now, or worse, if not dead. Instead of nearly stopping, then crumpling limply to the ground, she gets propelled violently to the ground, with the weight of the cop possibly falling on top of her.

    And if he DIDN’T tackle her, trying to catcher her standing up, and tripped over her feet, then he would DEFINITELY have landed on her, probably crushing her ribcage.

  46. 46
    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #43:

    I was waiting for someone to say it. I am surprised it took this long…

    LC Xealot says:

    1. She was making a beeline for US19, and probably death or dismemberment.

    First, it was an assumption that was her destination, second, it was unlikely she would have made it that far if the cop had actually tried to grab her. Like I said, look at how close she was, and watch his legs as he almost came to a stop and she started pulling ahead. If he hadn’t been so intent on using his taser, and instead just try to catch her, she probably wouldn’t have gotten more than three more feet.

    Like I said, the jury is going to see this. The Plaintiff will surely point out where the cop started getting into a stance at less than two feet from her, instead of just reaching out and grabbing her. Even the prosecutor had to agree that he probably could have caught her.

    LC Xealot says:

    Still her fault for running in the first place — things can go wrong when you do that.

    Yes it was, and if she got hit by a car — even MORE her fault. The problem is, she was considered “in custody”, and therefore any incident that followed, regardless of her actual fault or not, suddenly becomes the responsibility of the custodial party.

    There is LOTS of case law on this kind of stuff. Get injured or killed in a jail fight — the custodial body is responsible. The girl was wearing handcuffs, therefore she was still considered “in custody”. I know it sounds crazy and all of that, but that is the legal system.

    Yes, the girl was on drugs and she was attempting to escape custody. The problem the defense has is conveying this to the jury without alienating them due to her current condition. Somehow the defense has to mitigate the injury and paint the girl as being bad. That is a high hill to climb.

    Unlike a criminal trial, either side has to convince half plus one juror, not a unanimous decision. That isn’t going to be hard for the plaintiff on a case like this. Jurors are typically emotional AND a bit stupid.
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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Deej, we don’t disagree about what will “probably” happen. We disagree on what SHOULD happen.

    I believe the family should get jack shit. Sucks for them, I know, but I don’t believe the Police did wrong. Certainly not $3.8 Million worth of wrong.

    However, I do agree on your summation of jurors. They are representative of the population at large, which is generally emotional, not rational. They will not consider the wrong the perp committed, or even if they do, they will subsume it relative to the fact that someone now has to care for this vegetable.

    In other words, the average idiot will see “zOMG that poor woman, and that big meanie policeman with a taser! Someone has to help the family through this heartbreak!” Of course, people are always generous with other people’s money, so the taxpayers will get the hook for it. And then the Mr. H (the lawyer — won’t type the full name, don’t need trouble) will get a huge pile of cash and buy a nice new Bentley with the taxpayer’s cash. The policeman will live with haunting guilt and second guess his decision forever — and be trashed by people he doesn’t even know for a decision that would have panicked any of them.

    Did dumbass druggie driver consider ANY of this when she bolted out of the station? No. She wasn’t even properly concerned for her own safety, else she would have stayed put.

  48. 48
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    “This poor woman”

    Blah. Just spare me the bleeding heart theater here will ya? Sorry, not feeling a whole lot of empathy here.

    She’s popping Oxy pills, and taking coke, let’s face it with brutal honesty here…..those are not ‘gateway drugs’ those aren’t drugs used by the average ‘recreational user’…. those drug are the ‘big time’.
    There’s a 90% chance She’s akin to a walking zombie if she’s reached that point in her life. Or does someone want to argue the point…well maybe it was her first time taking it…Uh huh..yeah suuuuure it was.

    I would lay even money on the fact that by this point in her life, it’s all about the next high and how best to go about getting it.

    She’s already proven she refuses to take any sort of responsibility in life having the warrants out for her on hit and run. Hit and run...that says it all.

    Let’s say even if as DJ said, the warrants were the result of a ‘sideswipe’…ooopps, she hit a parked car. You know what? I backed into a damn light pole at the gas station last night….I had the dimmer on my rear view, and the pole was grey, it more or less vanished as a result, add in it was raining like hell and when I swung out I backed right into the blasted thing.

    Simply put.. in her case you stop you get out of the car, you call the cops you say “I screwed up here and hit a parked car”. You arrange to fix said car. You take responsibility for your screw ups.

    In my case I stopped, put the truck in park, I looked at the pole , didn’t see any damage and I went about my business, but I did stop to check.

    It’s THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

    By failing to do the same however ….She has proven not just once that she won’t do the right thing but MULTIPLE times. Again….There were WARRANTS here, plural, not singular.

    That’s pretty damning evidence of someone that just doesn’t give enough of a shit in life to do the right thing. And She’ll take you down right along with her given half a chance. Trust me on that one point folks, I’ve been there and rode that particular horse, and it ain’t pretty to be on the wrong end of an addict. You might as well be on the wrong end of a gun. I digress

    The severity of the warrants makes no difference, she has obviously thus far chosen a path that indicates she refuses to abide by laws the rest of us in society have to follow.

    The next logical question, to me at least, in this is “what ELSE has she done out there in society .. that they don’t even know about” ?

    Maybe she’s got a couple of hot checks, a stolen credit card or two, family member missing a few bucks out of their wallet? Hooked up some young kid with some of her goodies…Who knows? I’m sure DJ will chime in with “oh those are victimless crimes”..right ? They are not.

    One Point I would like to make here I guess…..is people like this, impact the rest of us just trying to make a living and care for our families WAY too fucking much any more. It’s like the black plague, you can’t fucking get away from it.

    I moved from the mean streets of Tampa into a literal one stoplight town up in the mountains of TN, and STILL I can’t get away from this shit.

    The county I live in, 2800 fucking souls strong..just had a bust last year, largest Oxycotin ring bust ever, not in the county mind you, but the ENTIRE freaking state!!

    Moving their death from Tampa Florida into TN and points north… Fucking great…Ya know what, for people like this “poor woman” ? ya want to blow your mind out …go for it, not my damn business but quit infesting every god damn square inch of the country with this shit already!!

    Anyhow, back on point here, How does this woman I don’t even know impact my life or yours you ask? Simple.

    - Constitutional shredding Laws that impact our freedoms, war on drugs any one? Law’s intended to keep the criminally stupid out there from killing themselves with the drug of their choice, but in the end does nothing more than make criminals out of all of us in the eyes of the law, innocent until proven guilty is dead in this country…no knock warrants and “sobriety check points” come to mind here. Example, I have to show ID and sign my name to buy certain cough syrups now? Really? Why? Because some tweaker asshole figured out you can cook the shit with other shit and either blow yourself into a spectacular flaming fireball or …make meth. I just want to quit the damn hacking man..really.

    - Higher taxes for sundry all encompassing “social safety nets ” to help her kick whatever habits she saddled her self with, to put a roof over her head, to feed her…etc, etc.

    - Higher taxes to fund the ‘war on drugs DEA, FBI, Federal Task forces for Meth, Coke, Heroin, State tasks forces…D.A.R.E…

    - Higher health and car insurance costs, because half the people on the road are stoned out of their fucking minds causing accidents, and then to top that off…’curing’ one of these people via mental health means or interventions/rehabs is ghastly expensive.

    - Helping to entrap others, maybe someone you know, into that same miserable life they have, perpetuating the circle of dependency. After all misery loves company does it not?

    So tell me how mean I am, how cold I am. Go’wan… I’ll just nod here and agree with you ahead of time, but my view from under the Imperial Chariot is one of there is WAY too much of it out there, there is no cure for it, and as long as we view people like this “poor woman’ as a “victim ” no hope for it to get any better.

    At the end of it all….. if a “Cotinmouth” (as they are so fondly referred to in TN) get’s tazed and splits her fuckin’ melon on some concrete.. Fuck it, .I just shrug, she was already a walking zombie, she can’t walk anymore now tho, so at least it will keep her from dragging other people into her personally derived hell. I guess she’s one step closer to the almost 100% gu-ran-teed out come for someone of her ilk….the grave.

    Was the cop right? Sure, he went home to his family that same night didn’t he?

    As far as I’m concerned anymore, as bad as things are with drugs and this sort of crap ….with everything I said above ….anytime a cop has to deal with the dregs of society like this and lives to talk about it another day..he’s done his job well. She got her gourd split having a case of terminally stupid..and ya can’t fix stupid.

    The cop didn’t make her stupid, the cop didn’t make her run, the cop didn’t hand her a pill or a line of coke, the cop just did what he had to do in that very moment, and she bears 100% of the responsibility for her life her actions, and the events in it …..as we all do. She chose the stupid way, she trashed her life…eventually leading her up to this very moment, not the cop.
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    Mattexian growls and barks:

    Apparently “this woman” didn’t heed ANY of the advice in Chris Rock’s instructional video “How not to get your ass kicked by the police!”
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