Gee, You Might Want to Rethink that Approach, Barry Ogabe Caesar

So the angry webmaster asked us if we had any thoughts on the Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure trying to force Catholic employers to provide coverage for infanticide. Surely we do. We think it’s about the single most brilliant idea since the French chivalry decided not to care about those pesky longbows on October 25 of 1415. And Ogabe and the NSDWP will be just as pleased with the results as the French were, unless somebody takes a ClueBat to him and convinces him of the error of his ways.

Before we get to that, however, we’ll be perfectly honest and admit that we did enjoy the idiotic “but, but”ing from some members of the Catholic clergy who’d been backing OgabeCare to the hilt back prior to its “passage.”

“But… He promised!

We’re sure that he did, he has a record of promising just about anything to get his way, but we’re a bit surprised that members of the clergy have so little knowledge of the pitfalls of making deals with the Adversary, chief among which is the fact that HE LIES! Obviously modern Catholic teachings leave a bit to be desired if they skip over that bit. You might want to Scotch Tape that page back into the catechism. We’re pretty sure it was included there initially for a reason.

Schadenboner aside, it was still a boneheaded move by Ogabelini.

Of all of the groups you could pick, you chose to pick a fight with Christianity??? Really? And yes, His Imperial Majesty did mean to say “Christianity” there. Actually, we should have said “Judeo-Christianity”, because we all have a bit of a hangup on that whole “sanctity of life” thing that leftist Socialist Democrats seem to have a problem with.

And then there’s this whole “freedom of religion” thing that “Constitutional Scholar” Ogabe seems to have missed. Poor thing. Couldn’t even make it through the whole First Amendment, even with the aid of illustrations and moving his lips as he tried to struggle his way through it, word by painful word.

Here’s a hint, Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure, and it comes straight from the Romans themselves: You do NOT want to pick a fight with Judeo-Christianity. We’ll be happy to call them up out of the Imperial Game Room if you need them to explain to you how it worked out for them.

In one fell swoop, you managed to piss of the Catholics (because they’re the ones you’re trying to apply the screws to directly), everybody else of faith (because we’re none of us fans of infanticide) as well as anybody who ever legitimately gave as much as a tinker’s cuss about the Constitution.

Heckuva job, Barry! How’s that working out for you?

Too early to tell, you say? Well thank your Maker for that, if you can get him to answer. We hear the phone service in Hell is abysmal (pun very much intended).

Of course, there had to be a reason for this self-inflicted, gaping, sucking chest wound, a reason that seemed awfully clever to SCOAMF at the time. What could it be? Well, the only one we can think of that sounds even remotely plausible would be that he wanted this fight so he could steer the debate in the direction of “why should those religious entities have ‘special privileges’?”, followed by trying to finally get rid of those irritating tax exemptions that have pissed kleptocratic leftists off since time immemorial.

There are a few flaws in this “cunning” plan, however: For one thing, the Bill of Rights is not a list of “special privileges.” It would have been called “The Bill of Special Privileges”, if that were the case. The Founders were very firm on saying what they meant and meaning what they said, to the point where they could spend days arguing over the placement of a comma. And another being, but we mentioned this already, if you’re going to pick a fight, perhaps singling out a group that an overwhelming majority of the population either belongs to or has strong sympathies for isn’t the best approach.

And finally, and we repeat ourself again, here’s a homework assignment for you, Barry Tiberius: Make a list of every group, nation, regime, you name it, who ever picked a fight with G-d. Got that done? We’ll give you a few more minutes. It’s a long list.

Alright. Now scratch out the ones who lost and transfer the remaining names to another piece of paper. What? Done already?

That was our point.

Those “bitter clingers” can do a whole fucking lot more than just “cling bitterly” if you poke them hard enough.

Best not to poke them, if you know what we mean and we think that you do.

Thatisall.

65 comments

  1. 1
    BigDogg growls and barks:

    Schadenboner

    That is a fuckin’ classic! :em05:

  2. 2
    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Something I vented elsewhere among the the Empire still begs an answer:

    1. Is he such a narcissist/secularist he thinks he can get away with it?

    or

    2. He thinks his reelection is so in the bag that he believes there won’t be blow back?

    or

    3. He intends (and I believe) not to even have an election?

  3. 3
    BigDogg growls and barks:

    I’ve reached the point where I want it to be option #3. Once that occurs, then we get the party started once and for all.

    No, I’m not naive … I fully understand the ugliness and hell that will ensue. But, it now seems to be the only real way to clean out the whole damn system. We owe that much to the generations that follow us.

  4. 4
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Light29ID @ #:

    All of the above.
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  5. 5
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    BigDogg @ #:

    Yes, I had to look it up. So, as my public service for the day:

    1) schadenboner

    Taking really, REALLY immense delight in the misfortune of some loathesome person-like creature. Well beyond garden-variety schadenfreude, a case of schadenboner lasting beyond four hours means the tumescent owner must seek medical attention.
    The final exposure of Dan Rather as a failshit partisan back in 2004 gave me a 3-hour schadenboner..at least.

    2) schadenboner

    An extreme degree of pleasure from the misfortune of assholes.
    Fans of Keith Olbermann are whining so painfully, and Osama Bin Laden suffered from ghastly kidney failure until his blood was diluted with urine, and thus I exhibit dual schadenboners.

    :em05:

    Oh, I do believe at the Battle of Agincourt, the British also used primitive hand guns against the French, causing at least one fatality..to the French that is. :em07:

    Oh, and thank you for your opinion. I was surprised that you hadn’t put anything up yet after that corrupt paper shredding thundercunt Sebilius announced their frontal assault Banzai charge on the Church.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    I think this poor, deluded asswipe is so convinced of his own wonderfulness he can’t conceive of anyone ever disagreeing with him. It’s not beyond the scope of plausibility that his handlers (fluffers?) twist the truth to what the imperial He wants to hear. I can imagine him responding to this with something like, “Let them eat cake.”

    Check your history. Megalomaniacal tyrants never see it coming.

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    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    I was chatting with a friend about this and he put forward an interesting theory. He reckons Obama may be pushing this in order to stir up support for Santorum in the primaries. Santorum is a strong Catholic and anything which helps him can only hurt Romney who, if we’re honest with ourselves, is still a shoe-in for the nomination. Then again, maybe not. Still, it’s an interesting theory.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    You aren’t alone, Muzzy, I too, have wondered. I am beginning to seriously doubt any republican can defeat obama this November, just working on taking the senate and keeping the house. Gonna’ be one hell of a show in any event. Curiouser and curiouser….

  9. 9

    It’s all a conspiracy to deplete the Conservative (whomever they are) campaign warchest that the dem’s know they’ll be facing very soon.

    Mark your target when it comes.

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    sleeper growls and barks:

    Ugh. Forcing religious organizations to provide birth control is wrong. But this has nothing to do with religious organizations. Forcing ANYONE to provide birth control is wrong. This is about Liberty, period. I don’t understand why everybody is expressing indignation about the Catholic church’s morals being violated. Do I have to convince the bureaucracy that my morals are sufficiently recognized by society to warrant an exception to a law? If exceptions are to be made for moral objectors, the law cannot stand at all.

    Federal law is rife with exceptions like this. Without exception, those laws must be rescinded.

    Besides, birth control is already free. I don’t think that needs further explanation if you know how reproduction works.

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    LC LucysDaddy--Imperial Tire Provider growls and barks:

    Let me preface this by stating that I am not a Catholic (but I do play one on TV), but my wife is. I went to a Catholic school here for two years as a direct result of doing some dumb shit and being forced to…and I loved every minute of the structure and religion I got there. As a result of these two forays into Catholocism, I have developed a minor understanding of the religion. I am no papal expert, but I do know the really big Church laws.

    There is a woman here in town that is the head of the Hancock County Democratic Party and she is a practicing Catholic. She is a member in good standing, so much so that she is an ecumenical minister and she passes out Holy Communion to her fellow parishioners on Sundays.

    Back when I first became aware of who she was in 2008, she was an ardent and vocal supporter of SCOAMF and she openly campaigned for his and the DemoNazis entire platform, abortion on demand and all. She has been very vocal in her support of female priests (there are none in the Church) and her views that abortion is not necessarily “outlawed” by the Church’s doctrine.

    Whenever I see her holding the True Body of our Lord and Savior, I am filled with the fury of a thousand suns and I want to scream out that “this woman is not one of you! Do not allow her to desecrate the most important and sacred part of the Mass!” But since I am not a parishioner, I am forced to sit quietly and stew in my pew. :em08:

  12. 12
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    :em08: DAMN IT….My Sympathy meter must be broke..it wont even register so much as a twitch…..No. Fucking. Sympathy. None, Zero, Zilch….. Nada.

    Oh wait. it’s not broke…..

    Fact of the matter is this….The Catholic’s voted 54 % in favor of the Kenya salad tossing Yeti fucking lawn jockey that just bent them over and dry fucked them….well ya know what? ……NO SYMPATHY…fuck em…. twice.

    You reap what you sow motherfuckers…. YOU sold my fucking country down the fucking tubes with your holier than thou PC Bullshit….so why yes..you heard me correctly…. I DID say……fuck you…. if every god forsaken temple of yours burns to the mother fucking ground tomorrow …..I’ll laugh merrily and very happily piss on the fucking ashes.Helll…I MIGHT JUST THROW A FEW GALLONS OF HIGH OCTANE ON TO MAKE SURE THE FUCKING JOB GETS DONE RIGHT… No ..I am not kidding…

    Sorry..Padre…it’s way too late in the game now to be crying foul now over your so called religious teachings…that boat done left the docks…, same goes for the fucking Jews that backed Obama. I think that was what was it? 65% of them voted for him?!?!? Well .fuck them too. Along with the Methodists and Presbyterians, and whatever other flavor of the day might be in vogue…

    And before all you pups decide to pile on and scream at me for my “meanness” and accuse me of being anti this or anti that…this is the EXACT reason …I’m agnostic..

    I’m not anti shit, wait, yeah maybe I am…I’m anti stupid, the Catholics voted 54% in favor of the man that just fucked them… Gee tell me Saint Surprised….How’d that work out for you there ???

    You Can call me ANTI-FUCKING STUPID…because people like me screamed long and loud at the same bunch of morons that said we were being …fill in the blanks..mean, racist, bigots, what-fucking-ever, and then pulled the god damn lever for this cunt called Obama… then headed off to the ‘church’ of their choice smugly looking down at the rest of us…thinking they were so much better than the rest of us.
    NO. FUCKING. SYMPATHY DUE…NO SYMPATHY FORTHCOMING…

    The Church nor the fucking government owns me……That’s freedom baby…take a big fucking whiff….
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    First off, the Church is not required under this law to provide contraception. A Catholic business that gets government money IS required. Simple solution: get off the government tit.

    Secondly, from what I am reading, it isn’t the business that is required to provide contraception if the patient asks for it — it is the insurance company. It seems to me that if you don’t want contraception — don’t ask for it. Again, simple solution.

    This seems like another tempest in teapot to me. Much ado about nothing. What is funny about all of this is that a good majority of Catholic women want the church to get the fuck out of their vagina. The numbers are interesting, and show quite a change between generations as well as religious and political affiliations.

    Things ARE changing, whether we like it or not. A newer generation is coming up and old attitudes and ideas are going to die off with us. Gay marriage? It will probably be common place in ten to fifteen years. Ten or fifteen years ago, you never would have thought it would become a reality.

    I, for one, don’t mind a lot of the changes, mainly because I will be long gone before too many of them become common place. So will many of you. I have become content with just living with what I’ve got right now and not sweating the stupid shit any more.
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    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    I was chatting with a friend about this and he put forward an interesting theory. He reckons Obama may be pushing this in order to stir up support for Santorum in the primaries. Santorum is a strong Catholic and anything which helps him can only hurt Romney who, if we’re honest with ourselves, is still a shoe-in for the nomination. Then again, maybe not. Still, it’s an interesting theory.

    GAH! MY HEART! Muzzy made some sense! :em06:
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Now if you want something to REALLY be pissed off about, try THIS STORY OUT FOR SIZE

    Unless you have been living under a rock for the past week, you have no doubt heard the story about Josh Powell, a POI in Utah for the disappearance of his wife while he was supposedly camping. Well, the fucknozzle killed his kids with and blew them and himself up because “he couldn’t live without them”.

    This story has had me all fucked up since Sunday afternoon. Now I get to read that the Phelch Family are going to show up at the kid’s memorial service this Saturday in Tacoma to protest our state’s new gay marriage law — by blaming these kid’s death on that law.

    I have said many times in the past here that I don’t “hate” anyone, but I find myself being consumed by the pure white-hot hatred for these fucking freaks.
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    And if it was a republican President that tried to force this bullshit…You and every god damn liberal in the country would be caterwauling about “separation of church and state” and government interference in he bedroom… Nice fucking try..

    But really….Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s only a warm spring shower there DJ…
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder @ #16:
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    And if it was a republican President that tried to force this bullshit…You and every god damn liberal in the country would be caterwauling about “separation of church and state” and government interference in he bedroom… Nice fucking try..

    Nope. Why? Because it DOES take into consideration that “separation” thing. You missed the part where the churches themselves are exempt from this. But if the churches are running businesses open to the public, employing people who are NOT part of the church, or receive government money, then that portion is NOT exempt.

    Secondly, everyone knows that we “lefties” love us some contraception. Apparently so do more than a few Righties also.

    I’ve got to ask… do you have a lot of people pissing on your leg? If so, what’s up with that?

    As I said above — this is all just a tempest in a tea pot. Most states have had this rule in place for a long time — about ten years now.

    The solution is simple: if you don’t want contraception — don’t get it. It is just like gay marriage: if you don’t want to marry a gay person — don’t. If a church wants to exempt its business from this rule, then only hire members of your own church and only do business with those members. Don’t take government funds. Again, Simple.
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    LC R6 growls and barks:

    Nope. Why? Because it DOES take into consideration that “separation” thing.

    Moron.

    Lies made up out of whole cloth do NOT make them true.

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    There is no provision in the Constitution that calls for a “Separation of Church and State”.

    None. Anywhere.

    All you morons that keep saying that don’t make it true.

    That there shall be no State sponsored religion was the intent and reason for our separation from England.

    Freedom OF religion is the largest tenant of the constitution. (for all you idiot liberals [deej] that means we can worship whatever, whenever, whoever and the government can’t stop it legally, unless you are black and in the white house).

    Even 7th century savages as much as I hate them.

    That is what this country is founded on.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Secondly, from what I am reading, it isn’t the business that is required to provide contraception if the patient asks for it — it is the insurance company.

    And who pays the lion’s share of the employee’s insurance cost again?

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    It seems to me that if you don’t want contraception — don’t ask for it. Again, simple solution.

    Ahem. Quit changing the subject. Nobody is trying to force anybody to use contraception or, for that matter, not use it. I couldn’t care less whether they do or don’t, and neither could most anybody else.

    It’s about forcing people who are fundamentally and, First Amendment again, religiously opposed to it to pay for it.

    But hey, why not? From this point on, let’s force everybody, regardless of faith or non-faith, to tithe to the church.

    And if anybody starts whining about it, we’ll “defend” it by saying “hey, nobody is forcing you to go to church!”

    :em07:
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    redc1c4 growls and barks:

    Buckwheat the Dimwitted doubles down on “stupid”…

    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2012/02/09/obama-reinforces-stance-on-unconstitutional-contraceptive-mandate/

    as someone who gave up being Catholic for Lent many moons ago, i have little sympathy for the institutional church here in the US and their decades long fascination with “social justice” and “liberation theology” as well as supporting every crackpot leftist program to rob the productive of the fruits of their labor while they hide behind a “tax exempt” status. this sort of thing is just karma for their idiocy over the years, as well as the hypocrisy.

    i ‘member, as a spotty faced teen, the shrieks from the pulpit when the parochial school teachers had the unmitigated gall to try and organize here in Lost Angels, so they could make a better wage, just as the local church shrieked when their grave diggers asked for a few more shekels.

    that the “heroes” they supported all these years are now turning on them is amusing, but, in the end, i believe we have to support them in their moment of clarity, no matter how brief that might be.

    if we don’t sooner or later we will be the target, and i’d always prefer to fight on someone else’s turf than my own. besides, they will likely come for the hardest nut last, so we might as well wear the bastards down all we can as far out as possible.

    call it Air-Land Battle for Constitutional rights…

    (i must be old, referencing ALB… %-)

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    LC Light29ID:

    3. He intends (and I believe) not to even have an election?

    BigDogg:

    I’ve reached the point where I want it to be option #3. Once that occurs, then we get the party started once and for all.

    Yes! Well, I sympathize, anyway–& that would be an unavoidable call to arms. The following caveat also puts it well:

    No, I’m not naive … I fully understand the ugliness and hell that will ensue. But, it now seems to be the only real way to clean out the whole damn system. We owe that much to the generations that follow us.

    Maybe we can yet avoid this–but if not, all those lefties loudly lusting for “revolution” may soon lose their taste for it.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    The solution is simple: if you don’t want contraception — don’t get it.

    Better solution: If you want contraception, go to your favorite drug store and buy it. The government stays the fuck out of the issue altogether and gets to work on a fucking budget for the first time in years.

    It’s not as though jimmy hoods or other contraceptives are rare artifacts hidden in deep lost labyrinths.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC R6 says:

    Moron.

    Ah, the poster boy for contraception.

    LC R6 says:

    Lies made up out of whole cloth do NOT make them true.

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    There is no provision in the Constitution that calls for a “Separation of Church and State”.

    None. Anywhere.

    All you morons that keep saying that don’t make it true.

    Don’t yell at me, yell at Thomas Jefferson. He is the one who explained the concept. and I will defer to his explanation over yours.

    Of course conceptual thinking is kinda foreign to you.

    Now for the serious conversation…

    Emperor Misha I says:

    And who pays the lion’s share of the employee’s insurance cost again?

    That kinda depends on who you are working for. Some employers pay ALL of the premiums, while others pass all of them off on the employees.

    Before I go on, let me ask this: Should contraceptives be part of a medical INSURANCE program? Is that really a “health” issue? I am thinking that it should be more of an elective — something that the insured can pay extra for.

    The way I see it, there should be the basic plan that an employer provides. That way if an employer doesn’t want to provide a certain level of coverage due to religious objections, they are only on the hook for the basic stuff and if an employee wants additional coverage that provides drugs and/or procedures that the employer objects to funding, they can pay for the extra premiums out of pocket directly to the insurance provider. That way, the employer’s conscience is clear, and the employee’s relationship is directly with the insurance provider and not through the employer.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    It’s about forcing people who are fundamentally and, First Amendment again, religiously opposed to it to pay for it.

    But this is more of a mandate to the INSURANCE companies to provide it, NOT the employers who purchase the insurance. I see this more as the Church trying to clamp down on something that they themselves have failed at — preventing their flock from using birth control.

    Again, look at the statistics. A staggering majority of CATHOLICS admit to using birth control, and six out of ten Catholic women WANT this mandate. The question is, who is out of step here, the Church, or the followers?

    Like you, I don’t really care who uses birth control or not. I don’t really care how it is provided. What I would object to is having a religious group shut down access to birth control simply because THEY don’t feel it is right — and that is exactly what they are attempting to do here.

    OhBeAWiennie will capitulate. He will change the rules so that the Church employers aren’t paying for birth control but that the insurance companies will have to provide it for free. But that won’t satisfy the Church, not at all. They don’t WANT their employees to have birth control period, whether they are paying for it or not.

    I like my idea better. Employers provide a BASIC health insurance plan, and if you want extras then YOU pay for it out of your pocket.

    The whole idea behind revamping the health care system was to bring down COSTS. I am not seeing where mandating insurance companies to provide birth control is helping to keep down the costs.
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    Lady H growls and barks:

    If you want someone else to pay for your contraception and to kill your unborn baby, simply don’t work for a Catholic or other organization that sees such things as sin/ wrongs.

    That simple.

    So proud and supportive of my bishops and my fellow Christians, my Jewish brothers and sisters, Muslim, even those who are non-religious but believe in the First Amendment and know this is WRONG.

    Stay out of my Church, Obama, and the rest of you who are sooooo “Separation of Church and State” when it has suited YOU all of these years.

  25. 25
    Lady H growls and barks:

    Oh, and Mr President?

    No compromise.

    None.

  26. 26
    Bones growls and barks:

    Deej, how ’bout this as an answer. Let people buy whatever insurance policy from any company they decide to buy it from. Let’s remove the employer from the equation totally. I know that you are rational and have mad google-foo, so please look up when employers started providing insurance to their employees. I bet you might find that it is a result of some progressive capping wages and that it was a way around said caps to attract employees. Once you come to the conclusion that the reason that most insurance is associated with someone’s employment, and that this is due to FED GOV interfering in the private market, and that it gov interference which prevents you from buying whatever policy from whomever (whatever) company that you so desire, please feel free to rationalize WHY we have the pickle that we do. It is not to keep you free to choose to do whatever you so desire, it is about control. By whom and for what reason is up to you to figure out. Also, I got to quite drinking, some of what you have said lately actually makes sense :em05:

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Lady H says:

    Stay out of my Church, Obama, and the rest of you who are sooooo “Separation of Church and State” when it has suited YOU all of these years.

    I promise to stay out of your church, if your church promises to stay out of my life.

    My one and only problem with some religions is that they can’t seem to mind their own damn business. I appreciate the fact that people have their own belief systems, and find some things in life to be “wrong”. But that is supposed to be subjective. “Wrong” for you might be completely different than the “wrong” for someone else.

    We are all free to go through life and practice our own personal religious beliefs. That is what the freedom of religion is. The state is supposed to keep out of it, and conversely the church is supposed to keep out of the state. (for those with alcohol-soaked grey matter, that is where the concept of a “wall” or “separation” of church and state comes from.)

    This was poorly handled, and frankly just one of the major flaws of Obamacare. None of this should have been complicated. Offer a BASIC catastrophic health care plan, with an ala carte menu of add ons that the insured could pay additional for — directly through the insurance company. Easy Peasy and cheap. That way, everyone would get a one-size-fits-all basic coverage for catastrophic issues, and anything above and beyond that would be the responsibility of the insured. People who object to certain drugs and procedures wouldh’t be on the hook for any of them.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Don’t yell at me, yell at Thomas Jefferson. He is the one who explained the concept. and I will defer to his explanation over yours.

    He talked about it once in private communications. Jefferson, with all the respect the man is obviously due, did not become some minor deity as a result of being part of the team who wrote the Constitution, a minor deity whose every subsequent personal utterance immediately is to be regarded and Constitutional law by Jeffersonian fiat.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Before I go on, let me ask this: Should contraceptives be part of a medical INSURANCE program? Is that really a “health” issue? I am thinking that it should be more of an elective — something that the insured can pay extra for.

    Agreed! Just like Viagra, penis enlargement etc. Getting pregnant is not a “health issue” by any means, it’s the human body operating in the exact way it was designed. It’s not a “disease”. If somebody wants to not get pregnant, they can either keep their knees together or truck on down to the nearest convenience store to buy a pack of crotch Zeppelins with their own damn money.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    What I would object to is having a religious group shut down access to birth control simply because THEY don’t feel it is right — and that is exactly what they are attempting to do here.

    Oh bullshit!

    And just how the fuck are they supposed to “shut down access to birth control?” Set up Catholic Hit Squads outside the doors of every store in town?

    They just refuse to, in any way, contribute to paying for it and, once again: Not giving you stuff for free isn’t the same as “shutting down access to it.” If that were the case, then my employer has been “shutting down my access to personal transportation” by refusing to pay for my cars for years. And they’ve been quite unsuccessful too. :em05:
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    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Set up Catholic Hit Squads outside the doors of every store in town?

    Hell I would go back to chuch if I could get in on that. :em01:

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Very simply:

    With the cost of abortion and contraception an implicit cost of every health insurance contract, neither Catholics nor anyone else of conscience will be able to buy health insurance without paying for abortions.

    This is no change from Obama’s original explicit mandate.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Islam emphasizes that procreation within the family is a religious duty, so there is unanimous rejection of sterilization and abortion.

    They also believe that birth control is forbidden as the Qur’an contains the command to “procreate and abound in number.” These scholars argue that only God can decide the number of children that a couple will have.

    I GUARANTEE YOU THAT MUSLIMS ARE EXEMPT FROM THIS LAW

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Bones says:

    I know that you are rational and have mad google-foo, so please look up when employers started providing insurance to their employees.

    I have, Bones. Interestingly enough, the concept of worker-provided health insurance has more than a couple of claims. Teachers in Texas, loggers in Washington, railroads. In the case of the loggers, the workers would pool their money together to cover for accidents. Teachers later picked up on the same principle.

    Employer provided health insurance really came around during WWII, when there were wage freezes in place. Because of a shortage of workers, the only way to attract workers was to provide them extra benefits that didn’t count as wages. Health insurance was one of those things.

    After WWII, after many of the returning vets took advantage of the GI Bill and went to college, there were companies that STILL needed to compete for workers. They happily provided health care insurance, pensions, paid vacations, and bonuses to attract and retain employees. Unlike now, there were more jobs than people to fill them and employers were glad to spend a little extra money to compete for employees. Labor was a commodity.

    Also, employers figured out that their employees were more productive when they were healthy.

    The business model has changed considerably. Now labor is considered an expense instead of an asset. People move around every couple of years instead of staying in the same spot for a career. There is no loyalty to a particular employer any more — there is nothing really keeping them there.

    Is this a bad thing? I don’t know. Security and well being is sacrificed I suppose.

    I think that this is the reason why there has been a push towards the government providing a basic health care insurance program and take it completely out of the hands of the employer. Is THAT a perfect system? Of course not — there isn’t such a thing. How about a non-profit co-op? It is probably better than having the government do it.

    You should note that I am not a fan of the current Obamacare. I feel that the entire bill was written by United Health Care and benefits them and only them. I think I could have written something profoundly simpler, that would have taken up a page or two, that provided just a BASIC health care plan for everyone at a very low price and zero profit. Anything above and beyond that would be available as an ala carte menu with whatever pricing that any private or non-profit health insurance provider wanted to charge. They could compete with each other for those add-ons, the insured would be the one paying for it (unless an employer wanted to pay for it as an incentive package), but every American would have been covered for BASIC care.

    Of course the scope of a BASIC plan could be hammered out. Obviously a catastrophic illness or injury would be covered, but boob jobs and all that wouldn’t be. Neither would contraception.

    In Canada, if we want an ambulance or private room or even certain drugs, we have to purchase additional insurance to cover it. I would expand on that kind of a system here. You could have several levels of coverage, depending on what you are willing to spend. The plans could be very competitive between insurance providers.
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    He talked about it once in private communications. Jefferson, with all the respect the man is obviously due, did not become some minor deity as a result of being part of the team who wrote the Constitution, a minor deity whose every subsequent personal utterance immediately is to be regarded and Constitutional law by Jeffersonian fiat.

    I only mention the “Wall” or “separation” because of its conceptual explanation, that’s all. There have been others from that time who have spoke in similar tones. Jefferson’s is the one that stands out, that’s all.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    And just how the fuck are they supposed to “shut down access to birth control?” Set up Catholic Hit Squads outside the doors of every store in town?

    Well, obviously THAT hasn’t worked. Like I said, their own followers seem to ignore them more than I do.

    But I think you missed the point of my ire. I am tired of one religious group or another telling ME how I should live MY life. I am tired of giving them tax exempt status and then having them bloviate loud and hard on political matters. If they want to be involved in politics, then fine, take away their tax exempt status and make them pay for that privilege like the rest of us. Either / Or.

    Better yet — preach to their flocks. Leave the rest of us out of it. If they want to instill a certain set of rules for their people to live by, then have at it. Do NOT expect ME to follow those rules simply because THEY feel they have the word from “god”. I don’t give a flying fuck WHAT religion it is, either. The way I see it, you are free to believe whatever it is you want. I will defend to the death your right to do so. But I will NOT be forced to follow the tenets of yours or anyone else’s beliefs if they differ from mine, any more than you would.

    LC Gladiator @ #30:

    What is with your cut and paste responses? If you are going to post something verbatim from somewhere, at least provide a link so we can see the context for which it was written.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Screw the religious element.

    I am fucking opposed to the money I have extorted from me by COOTUS and his villainous friends pay for abortion, birth control, education of illegal aliens, and feeding welfare children. If someone want to fuck, they should be responsible for their own bodily fluids. If they can’t pay for the children the squeeze out, take them away and tie off their tubes.

    If we had an overpopulation of non-human parasites, we’d simply work out a plan to not feed them and let the lot of them die off before they could breed. Let’s face it…they are non-contributors to society anyway…the non-human parasites, I mean…

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Getting pregnant is not a “health issue” by any means, it’s the human body operating in the exact way it was designed.

    It certainly CAN be an issue. Many pregnancies fail, killing either the baby or the mother or both. I’m thinking that maybe a pregnancy should be covered at some level of coverage.

    Using MY idea on health care coverage, I wouldn’t include pregnancy on a BASIC coverage plan. I don’t plan on becoming pregnant any time soon, and if I did, I am sure that with all of the money I would make by becoming pregnant would pay for any and all medical costs I might incur.

    I would have a “Reproductive Plan” as an elective add-on to the BASIC insurance. It would cover all things — well, reproductive.

    The idea is that you can buy modules of insurance above and beyond the BASIC that will be tailor fit to your particular circumstance. If you are planning a family — a family plan. If you are worried about heart disease — buy a heart plan. Have some “lady bits” worries? Buy a module for that. If you want to forgo the ala carte menu, then buy the “cover everything” plan. Or don’t buy an extra module at all. Just get your BASIC and go.
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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    One little question and look at the mess I caused! ;)
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster says:

    One little question and look at the mess I caused!

    Damn you man!
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    OT: The Phelch Phamily Phreaks have decided NOT to picket the funeral of the two young boys who were brutally killed last Sunday by their sperm donor. Instead, they have agreed to appear on a Seattle-based Catholic talk radio show in exchange for not showing up at the funeral.

    On the one hand, I am glad that the family of these boys will be spared the horror of the Phelch Phamily Phreaks. On the other hand, they are now given a voice on the radio?

    It’s just as well. They might have dented the grill on my car, and that is pretty expensive thing to pound out.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    OT: The Phelch Phamily Phreaks have decided NOT to picket the funeral of the two young boys who were brutally killed last Sunday by their sperm donor. Instead, they have agreed to appear on a Seattle-based Catholic talk radio show in exchange for not showing up at the funeral.

    On the one hand, I am glad that the family of these boys will be spared the horror of the Phelch Phamily Phreaks. On the other hand, they are now given a voice on the radio?

    It’s just as well. They might have dented the grill on my car, and that is pretty expensive thing to pound out.

    Well if we’re going to have some topic drift here….
    Here is one father you do NOT want to piss off!
    :em05:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kl1ujzRidmU
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    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    Just wondering, are these employees allowed to spend their wages on contraception?

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    Fact of the matter is this….The Catholic’s voted 54 % in favor of the Kenya salad tossing Yeti fucking lawn jockey that just bent them over and dry fucked them….well ya know what? ……NO SYMPATHY…fuck em…. twice.

    Snarl, fact of the matter is that 60% of practicing Catholics, those who actually attend Mass between Easter and Christmas, voted AGAINST Ogabe. And the Church hierarchy has been steadfastly, and vocally, opposed to the Regime since he first started running. There are no fans of the Kenyan Usurper in my parish, except maybe when it’s standing room only on Easter Sunday and Christmas. Those “Catholics” are not representative of the Church and it’s flock that you just ranted on. They show up for Mass twice a year and then tell the pollsters that they are Catholic. They are not, except in name only.

    As to Liberation Theology and some of the other BS that some of the clergy and laity have toyed with, Pope John Paul II slapped that down pretty decisively, and literally (There’s video of him being greeted by an LT priest in El Salvador back in the late ’80′s. John Paul walks up and when the priest starts to kneel cups him in the ear pretty hard then leans into his face and chews him out real good. Wish I could find it).

    The American Church has some problems, I won’t deny that, but the faithful parishioners are bringing it back to it’s roots. The Bishops and Arch-Bishops have not betrayed the Church’s teachings on the sanctity of life, and neither have the majority of the faithful. So don’t condemn me and my fellow practicing Catholics because of the votes of the strangers I only see twice a year.
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    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    Kenyan…lawn jockey…yeah, we live in a post-racial society, alright.

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    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    Oh, and fuck Fred Phelps with a rusty scimitar studded with broken glass. When you finally die, you wizened old cocksucker, I’m gonna come down to Kansas and picket YOUR fucking funeral! Cunt.

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    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut @ #:
    Get in line Muzzy, (You Ignorant Slut). Actually, on second thought nope, he ain’t worth it and I won’t give his wretched family the satisfaction of even noticing the cuntflap is in Hell.
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    LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology growls and barks:

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    Kenyan…lawn jockey…yeah, we live in a post-racial society, alright.

    It isn’t racist if the ire is earned. And the post-modern minstrel show that is one Barry Soetoro has earned plenty! :em07:

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut @ #:

    Your learning Muzzy, your learning…

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    The American Church has some problems, I won’t deny that, but the faithful parishioners are bringing it back to it’s roots. The Bishops and Arch-Bishops have not betrayed the Church’s teachings on the sanctity of life, and neither have the majority of the faithful. So don’t condemn me and my fellow practicing Catholics because of the votes of the strangers I only see twice a year.

    Crunch, I beg pardon, I don’t condemn any one that stands by their principles, perhaps I am wrong in my assessment as I’m not a _____fill in the blank of any one religion, so maybe my ire is misplaced. However, taking the view from one that doesn’t practice any particular religion, you tend to look at the Bigger picture, and I remember the results and polls as they came in in 2008, Obama had the Catholic vote, he had the Jewish vote, He had the Black vote..on and on it went…mind you this is on the Big Picture Level i.e. National. Do you actually want me to believe there is some black and white divided line among the church that even the faithful didn’t vote for this fool? Really? I find that a little hard to swallow to be honest.

    And in the end that is what it is all about, while all politics my be local; the national stage wins the race.

    I’ll not argue with you, I’m sure the folks in your local community are find upstanding folks with a smattering of fence sitters and pseudo Catholics mixed in mucking up the works. I view that part of the ‘congregations’ out there the same as I do with my ire towards the so called “independents” they stand on no principles and are the very segment of the populous that allows people like Obama to rise to power much to the detriment of us all.

    I just tend to see at the national level, and if the national level of the Catholics or other faith went for him, it is a little late now to be crying foul. To me…. That’s a failure on the Church’s at the national level, that I just can’t grant any sympathy for.

    I meant no offense to you or your parish personally and I do in fact side with the Catholic Church on this matter, should it come to it, I will pull iron and stand by any of you shoulder to shoulder and fight till there’s blood running like rivers….but I refuse to grant sympathy to the plight they now face when they failed so miserably to make people understand be they the practicing faithful or not, of the dangers that voting for this jack ass would entail.

    Secondly ….Don’t take me or the words above as a “rant” based on me being anti religious, I am not.
    In fact I despise the Activist Atheists that are right now working so feverishly to destroy any last vestiges of morality and decency in the public arena, I’d soon as put a bullet in their heads as to EVER accept their agenda. They are a scourge to society.

    Maybe if I ask a question of those of faith such as your self ….It will make my rant a little more understandable…maybe it will shed light on where my thoughts and all out blast of venom came from…

    Tell me; How do Americans like me and countless others ever even begin to put our faith in any religious entity after this sort of period in the countries history? Not so much as joining the church, but in the guise of trusting the religious institutions across the land as the leaders they are purported to be? How do we do that? I’d really like to know because right now, I don’t have a shred of trust or empathy for a single religious entity in this country. Note here: I RESPECT them and will defend them if asked to do so I swore an Oath to that regard, I always will, I just don’t TRUST them, and after 2008, and again, seeing the Big Picture Nationally…I never will again.
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    Kenyan…lawn jockey…yeah, we live in a post-racial society, alright.

    Obama’s Father was from..Kenya, that makes him eligible for the label, it has nothing to do with Race.

    A Lawn Jokey is a statue, an inanimate object placed for decoration on a lawn. it’s is totally void of intellect much like Obama….I only wish the asshole WAS a true Lawn Jockey, then he couldn’t wreck the havoc on the nation as he has done for three plus years.

    In short you ignorant slut …. take your pathetic race baiting mantra and cram it butt-dart.
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    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    CisSnarl: Obama is American, not Kenyan. Deal with it. Lawn Jockey is a racial epithet, as well you know. Words do not magically divorce themselves from their cultural context whenever it’s convenient for you. Deal with that also. Also, the ignorant slut thing is neither cute, nor funny, nor original. If you’re going to insist on calling me that in every post like a retard, from now on, I shall refer to you as CisSnarl – racist.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    How do Americans like me and countless others ever even begin to put our faith in any religious entity after this sort of period in the countries history? Not so much as joining the church, but in the guise of trusting the religious institutions across the land as the leaders they are purported to be? How do we do that? I’d really like to know because right now, I don’t have a shred of trust or empathy for a single religious entity in this country.

    Snarl, that’s a good question. I’ll try to answer, but maybe someone like the good padre could do a better job. As Neal Boortz is so fond of saying, “Don’t trust me on this; do your own homework.” Do YOUR own homework. Get a bible, put aside any preconceived notions, and read it for yourself. Read the Old Testament, realizing and understanding that the New Testament was the fulfillment. Don’t trust the religious “leaders” that you see or hear; put your trust in the one who will never fail you: God himself. Man is fallible; God is not. Man will twist and pervert scripture (like Rev. Wright and the Phelps family) to suit his purposes. There are very few “leaders” to whom I would grant respect. Billy Graham is one; Charles Swindoll is another. Why? Because their actions reflect what I’ve read in the Bible; in short, they practice what they preach.

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    I’m wondering, Muzzy, did you find it racist and offensive when Maxine Waters (I believe it was), said that the tea partiers could all to “straight to hell”…considering, of course, that the majority of tea partiers are white? Did you find it racist and offensive when Obama said that the two Philly cops “acted stupidly” (or words to that effect), simply because the perp was Obama’s black friend? Do you find it racist and offensive when all of us whites who disagree with Obama’s policies are called nazis and racists? Do you find any of Rev. Wright’s diatribes against whites racist and offensive?

    You claim that we live in a racist America. For most of us, it’s not an issue, at least not until the “great divider” draws the racial lines and plays the racist card. They can’t very well write the playbook and then bitch and whine when we play by their own rules. It doesn’t work like that.
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    CisSnarl: Obama is American, not Kenyan. Deal with it. Lawn Jockey is a racial epithet, as well you know. Words do not magically divorce themselves from their cultural context whenever it’s convenient for you. Deal with that also. Also, the ignorant slut thing is neither cute, nor funny, nor original. If you’re going to insist on calling me that in every post like a retard, from now on, I shall refer to you as CisSnarl – racist.

    Not to my face you wont you miserable fuck. Trust me on that, you can bark aaaaall you want on the web. ….so hide behind you’re fucking keyboard bitch boy. You’re safer there…fucking trust me on that point.
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    Muzzy - Imperial Ignorant Slut growls and barks:

    CisSnarl – racist: You’re not scary. You’re a silly, racist old man. Drop the threats, they just make you look stupid.

    Grammar Czar: I don’t detect any racism in Walter’s comments. If she’d said “Those crackers are going straight to hell” that would be different. That would be more on par with the “Kenyan Lawn Jockey” stuff we’ve had so far in this thread.

    Similarly, I can’t detect any racism in Obama’s statement. He said the cops “acted stupidly”, not “Fuck the po’leece”.

    I certainly did find some of Wright’s statements racist, particularly the one about how Obama’s social policy is dictated by the whims of “The Jewish vote”.

    I judge accusations of racism against the Tea Party on a case by case basis. Sometimes they’re bullshit, sometimes they’re dead on accurate.

    And as for Obama being the “Great Divider” what about you right-wingers with your “New York Elites” and your “San-Francisco Liberals”? Your “Hollywood Decadence” and your “Chicago-style politics” or your “Inside the Beltway mentality”? Your “Ivory Tower Academics” and your bleating about the “Gay agenda”? I could go on all day. If you think Barack Obama is a divider, what on earth do you think President Gingrich would be like?

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Guldurnit! Where is that imperial thermostat?

    Could we back off of this stupid shit before it spirals out of control?

    Why does this stuff always have to end up in the same place? Is it productive? Does it advance any discussion?

    Yes, I am guilty myself, but I am TRYING not to head down that path again. Believe me, with a few of the softballs pitched above, it would have been really easy to slam it right out of the park.

    But what is the point? So we can insult each other, yell at each other and call each other names?

    It is all so emotionally draining…
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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:
    I’m going to agree here with DJ.

    Obama is not Kenyan nor is he a lawn jockey. To say that he is, is to insult Kenyans and malign lawn jockeys.

    Now, how about something better, such as my recent post on proper parenting of a recalcitrant teenager?
    :em01:
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    Mike M growls and barks:

    Actually, when I refer to What’s-His-Name? as a Kenyan, it’s got nothing to do with his race, but instead his bona fides to serve as this nation’s commander in chief. It’s kinda like those who contend that Mitt Romney’s a Mexican and John McCain is Panamanian. They’re just saying that and can’t really be serious, can they? I’m not, because everyone knows Barry Soetoro is really an Indonesian.

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    Muzzy – Imperial Ignorant Slut says:

    And as for Obama being the “Great Divider” what about you right-wingers with your “New York Elites” and your “San-Francisco Liberals”? Your “Hollywood Decadence” and your “Chicago-style politics” or your “Inside the Beltway mentality”? Your “Ivory Tower Academics” and your bleating about the “Gay agenda”? I could go on all day. If you think Barack Obama is a divider, what on earth do you think President Gingrich would be like?

    It’s apples to oranges Muzzbutt (you ignorant slut). Ogabe was hailed as “The Great Uniter” and he has governed as nothing but a demagogue playing groups against each other. Just like he’s supposedly a “Constitutional scholar”. His knowledge of the Constitution extends only to which way to wipe his ass with it. He is the exact opposite of everything he is billed as, whether it be a great speaker, the smartest man in the room, or a decisive leader. No one is claiming that Gingrich or Santorum, or any other Republican will be a uniter. In fact we know that with the incessant full frontal attacks from the MSM, even Squishey McRomneycare will be demonized to the point that they will divide the country no matter what they do.

    We don’t aim to unite with our ideological enemies, we intend to defeat them. By what ever box they force us to.
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    P.S. Muzzy (you ignorant slut), drop the racist canard. You’ve done shot that bolt so much it’s become a joke. We could care less whether we meet your racial empathy purity test.
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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    I’ll not argue with you, I’m sure the folks in your local community are find upstanding folks with a smattering of fence sitters and pseudo Catholics mixed in mucking up the works. I view that part of the ‘congregations’ out there the same as I do with my ire towards the so called “independents” they stand on no principles and are the very segment of the populous that allows people like Obama to rise to power much to the detriment of us all.

    I agree with you on that Snarl. We have a problem of adhering to our faith and principals in the American Catholic Church. Far too many Catholics are only Catholics when asked what their religion is when the pollster calls. And for too many practicing Catholics abandon their faith when the step into the voting booth. But you have many more allies in the Catholic Church, among the faithful, than you have opponents. I just don’t want you to malign all of us based on your interpretation of the national stage. Also, please don’t think that Catholics are a monolithic voting bloc the way blacks have become. It might be better if we were, but we’re not. On a personal note I’m getting to the point where I would prefer a smaller but more devout and principled Catholic laity than a larger non-practicing one. LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder says:

    Don’t take me or the words above as a “rant” based on me being anti religious, I am not.

    No worries brother, ranting is what this site is all about. :em01:
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    SDN growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    DJ, razing the Phelch Lair to the ground and plowing it with salt is one of the few things we could cooperate on….

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    SDN says:

    DJ, razing the Phelch Lair to the ground and plowing it with salt is one of the few things we could cooperate on….

    I think that by just burying the Phelch Phamily there would cause the ground to be barren for generations. No salt required.

    I think we could just deport them to North Korea.
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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    I think that by just burying the Phelch Phamily there would cause the ground to be barren for generations. No salt required.

    Why ruin perfectly good soil with that sort of contamination?

    I think we could just deport them to North Korea.

    Oh come on! Even the North Koreans don’t deserve that!

    FYI

    Mittens Obomney barely won the Maine Potato vote yesterday. :em07:
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